Interconnects, and why I now hate you guys

[Rivrrat]

I've known for a long time that there's a difference in speaker cable. Back in 85 when I bought my m10's the place I got them from threw in 20 ft or so of 10g "Monster Cable", I don't know if it is or not, but that cable made a huge difference over my 16g lamp cable.

Fast forward to now. I've been reading for a year now the arguements over IC's and what not, not really believing that a low voltage signal could be that much different over different wire, as long as the gauge could support the signal (what happens when you do digital telcom cabling for a living).

So on a lark, I bought some Monoprice rg59 IC's during one of my orders while I'm recabling my HT to inwall. I'll be damned if it didn't make a noticable difference, a REALLY noticable difference. Even my wife said something.:eek:

So now, I'm wondering if I shouldn't pop for more, fancier IC's. This could turn into a vicious cycle, AND IT"S ALL YOUR FAULT.:D

[WilliamM2]

What sort of a difference did you hear? According to all the "believers" here, monoprice cables suck, like putting a blanket over your speakers. Very interesting that those cheap horrible cables would be an improvement, but hey, your wife heard it too, right?

And no one believes this is all just imagination.:rolleyes:

[obieone]

You are absolutely right! It's OUR fault that YOU can HEAR a difference!:D

[Rivrrat]

What sort of a difference did you hear? According to all the "believers" here, monoprice cables suck, like putting a blanket over your speakers. Very interesting that those cheap horrible cables would be an improvement, but hey, your wife heard it too, right?

And no one believes this is all just imagination.:rolleyes:

These feed a dvd changer that mostly just gets used for cd's on some Atrium 45's on the patio (everything inside is optical off an Oppo 981). But, they opened up the soundstage, I can hear things I didn't hear before,( that's what my wife noticed, and she didn't know I did anything), but I can understand the blanket thing. I'd say it bumped up the soundstage, the bass and midrange a bit, but maybe it took something off the top end.

I'm thinking I can reverse the speaks so the tweets are turned in instead of out, and that should help the highs a lot.

I'll probably build some nice ones down the road (soldering and or brazing skills here). but I'm not going to say anything right now, what with the WAF and all.

Still, they're better than the stock POS interconnects.:rolleyes:

[nikolas812]

I have had three different IC's. They all sounded different. I went from stock in the box IC's to Blue Jeans cables and then to Audioquest Copperheads.

When I went from the BJC's to the Audioquest cables and did some real testing. I was floored.

I felt like I was witnessing a miracle or would that be hearing a miracle? Either way I could not believe what I was hearing.

There is no doubt in mind cables do make a difference.

I did a full review on the Audioquest Copperheads VS the BJC's if you are interested. A quick search in this forum should get it.

[Sami]

Still, they're better than the stock POS interconnects.:rolleyes:

The monoprice IC's are pretty good cables, nothing wrong with them. The stocks that come with cheap stuff, well, I wouldn't use them either. Don't expect much from going from the monoprice to higher priced cable, that way you won't be disappointed.

[disneyjoe7]

Oh Sh!t the Jeane is out of the bottle now ;)

[candyliquor35m]

Be very careful or you'll be buying tube equipment next and a turntable ;)

[beardog03]

once you discover MIT, you will never be the same again !!!


trust me on this one.....

[dragon1952]

What sort of a difference did you hear? According to all the "believers" here, monoprice cables suck, like putting a blanket over your speakers. Very interesting that those cheap horrible cables would be an improvement, but hey, your wife heard it too, right?

And no one believes this is all just imagination.:rolleyes:

Geez, what an asshole. Two insults in one post. First you knock his new IC's and then his intelligence. Good one. :rolleyes:

[treitz3]

This is normal for him. "Troll" would be appropriate here.


So on a lark, I bought some Monoprice rg59 IC's during one of my orders while I'm recabling my HT to inwall. I'll be damned if it didn't make a noticable difference, a REALLY noticable difference. Even my wife said something.
Just goes to show you that you should listen to the credible members more often. ;) :D :)

[Keiko]

What sort of a difference did you hear? According to all the "believers" here, monoprice cables suck, like putting a blanket over your speakers. Very interesting that those cheap horrible cables would be an improvement, but hey, your wife heard it too, right?

And no one believes this is all just imagination.:rolleyes:
Agreed. This is completely inappropriate. Just in context and shows no class. If you don't believe IC's make a difference William, fine, but why insult someone?

Back to topic. Rivvrat, don't feel bad. They did it to me too. ;) I went from those generic ITB IC's to BJC and speaker wire and WoW! What a difference. If it is just imagination then mine must be pretty vivid. When funds permit I hope to experiment with some Signal and Kimber cables. To be honest, I love these geeks it's being in the poor house that I loathe. :p

Njoy!

[WilliamM2]

Geez, what a jerk. Two insults in one post. First you knock his new IC's and then his intelligence. Good one. :rolleyes:

I did not knock his cables, I have recommended monoprice to several posters here. I only commented on what many others have said about monoprice cables here.

This is the first time I have seen anyone gush about a $3 cable. Thought it was odd, and the complete opposite of what others report.

As far as knocking his intelligence, what are you talking about?

[WilliamM2]

Just goes to show you that you should listen to the credible members more often. ;) :D :)

Really? How many times have you recommended monprice for superior sound?

[treitz3]

Really? How many times have you recommended monprice for superior sound?
None. Have I recommended better cables? Yes. Price is not always a factor nor will it dictate any change for the better or worse in the end result.

In this case, he heard a change. Respect it and move on without insulting his intelligence please.

[jabrax]

Rivv, I saw the IC light myself just today. I purchased some hga silver ICs from Muveling and put them in today. A very noticeable difference over the ultra 600 Ics i was using.

[treitz3]

I have recommended monoprice to several posters here.
You confuse me sir. You recommend, yet you claim [through your posts] that you have not heard a change or difference between cables/ IC's or otherwise.

Why would you recommend a certain cable if you hear no difference?

[Sami]

Why would you recommend a certain cable if you hear no difference?

Because of price. Nicely constructed cable and it's cheap.

[treitz3]

According to all the "believers" here, monoprice cables suck, like putting a blanket over your speakers. Very interesting that those cheap horrible cables would be an improvement, but hey, your wife heard it too, right?

And no one believes this is all just imagination.:rolleyes:
This is where you insult his intelligence.

1. You classify "us" and "him" and his wife as a "believer".

2. You insult him knocking his purchase of monoprice cables.

3. You have recommended monoprice cables to posters here, yet you just said in your quote above that "monoprice cables suck, like putting a blanket over your speakers."

4. You insinuate that his wife didn't hear a difference either.

5. Then you insult all that know better that "no one believes this is all just imagination.:rolleyes:"

Give the BS. up.

[treitz3]

Because of price. Nicely constructed cable and it's cheap.
Not you Sami, WilliamM2....

[WilliamM2]

1. You classify "us" and "him" and his wife as a "believer".

Well what would you call people who believe in something that no one has been able to prove?


3. You have recommended monoprice cables to posters here, yet you just said in your quote above that "monoprice cables suck, like putting a blanket over your speakers."

Nice out of context quote.


5. Then you insult all that know better that "no one believes this is all just imagination."

People falling for placebo effect, or expectational bias has nothing to do with intelligence, and I never insulted his. Not believing that expectational bias exists, when is is a known fact on the other hand...


Give the BS. up.

As soon as you do.

[WilliamM2]

Not you Sami, WilliamM2....


Because of price. Nicely constructed cable and it's cheap.

Happy now?

[Sami]

Not you Sami, WilliamM2....

Because that's his reasoning. Am I right William? While I'm at it...


3. You have recommended monoprice cables to posters here, yet you just said in your quote above that "monoprice cables suck, like putting a blanket over your speakers."

He didn't say that, this is the actual quote:


According to all the "believers" here, monoprice cables suck, like putting a blanket over your speakers.

[WilliamM2]

Right Sami.

[treitz3]

Post #17. William, could you answer this?

[WilliamM2]

Post #17. William, could you answer this?

I already did, in post #22.

[treitz3]

3. You have recommended monoprice cables to posters here, yet you just said in your quote above that "monoprice cables suck, like putting a blanket over your speakers."
You got me there. My bad.

[treitz3]

So, you recommend a "Nicely constructed cable and it's cheap."

This has nothing to do with sound and what it can do for a particular system.

[WilliamM2]

So, you recommend a "Nicely constructed cable and it's cheap."

This has nothing to do with sound and what it can do for a particular system.

Never said it did, in fact, I have been saying that cables don't change the sound. Are you just now getting this?

[treitz3]

Well what would you call people who believe in something that no one has been able to prove?
Boy, oh boy....measurements are one thing. How exactly do you measure a sound stage? Precise imaging? Stereo separation and blending? Depth perception?.....and a multitude of other things in audio reproduction?

You can't. It's subjective. Everything affects everything.

Now to answer your question, "what would you call people who believe in something that no one has been able to prove?"
Experienced.

[treitz3]

Never said it did, in fact, I have been saying that cables don't change the sound. Are you just now getting this?
Yes I am, I am finally getting the fact that WilliamM2 recommends cables because they don't change the sound, but they look pretty.

In the exact words...."Nicely constructed cable and it's cheap."

HELL of a recommendation William, Hell of a recommendation. My hat's off to you as you obviously know why we are all here. For the looks of things. :rolleyes:

I should have known better.

[ben62670]

Beating a dead horse here. I have done it, and have been sucked into it with Bill, and I agree to disagree. There are probably only 3 members here into audio that can't hear a difference. I try to ignore them, and post my opinion on cables.

[WilliamM2]

Boy, oh boy....measurements are one thing. How exactly do you measure a sound stage? Precise imaging? Stereo separation and blending? Depth perception?.....and a multitude of other things in audio reproduction?

You can't. It's subjective. Everything affects everything.


Yes you can, and it doesn't even involve measurements. There is a very easy way to prove that cables sound different, and all you need is your ears. Yet no one has done it. and most refuse to even try. Why is that?


Now to answer your question, "what would you call people who believe in something that no one has been able to prove?"
Experienced.

Does this also apply to people who believe in the paranormal, big foot, the lock ness monster, alien abductions? Are they just experienced? Where do you draw the line?

[WilliamM2]

Yes I am, I am finally getting the fact that WilliamM2 recommends cables because they don't change the sound, but they look pretty.

In the exact words...."Nicely constructed cable and it's cheap."

HELL of a recommendation William, Hell of a recommendation. My hat's off to you as you obviously know why we are all here. For the looks of things. :rolleyes:

I should have known better.

Where did I mention looks, or the cables being pretty?

[ben62670]

I left out blah blah blah blah:D
Check my sig.
People who fallow some engineers too much think you can measure everything. I believe that everything is most likely measurable, but we have not yet figured out how to measure it. Cocky scientists, and engineers who think they know a lot just remind me to look at some of the old science beliefs. The earth is flat, we know how many stars there are... Scientists, and engineers are very good at proving themselves wrong. Galileo did it with the telescope, and I can't remember who actually made it around the world, but just a couple simple points. In a day, or 100 years (who knows)they will probably be able to measure what we hear, and look back and laugh at those who argued the world is flat. Oops I mean cables don't make a difference;):p:D

[Sami]

It has nothing to do with measuring the cable as instruments can measure more accurately than human ear can hear. Proving, I think William is referring the tests where you actually listen to the cables. I'm not taking any sides on the issue myself but the fact is that nobody has ever been able to prove they can hear a difference.

[jakelm]

2 reasons I can honestly recommend a cable.

1. It can withstand the test of time. Pulling on and off for years and shielding.

2. Refer to #1

I cant recommend a cable becuase of the way it sounds, because SQ is purely subjective. But usually if #1 is true, then SQ will be there also.

I keep my recommendations to facts. If the fact is they are built well for the price, I will recommend it.

Oh... and if I think they are pretty:p:D


Its good to see you back Ben...:)

[ben62670]

I'm not taking any sides on the issue myself but the fact is that nobody has ever been able to prove they can hear a difference.

Thats a funny one:D
Incredibly funny:D:D:D
Please don't take it as picking on you, because I have heard this one many times, but...
The fact is that nobody has ever been able to prove people can't hear a difference;):p:D

Hey Jake its kinda good to be back, but this means I am away from my girls:(

[treitz3]

Beating a dead horse here.
I know Ben.

Rivrrat, congrat's on your new found sound! Willie, I'll catch up with you tomorrow. I have a date with the pillow right now that will hold more intellect than you. Until then, keep recommending cables that don't change anything sonically and see how many folks here actually take your recommendations.

:rolleyes:

[ben62670]

7 members viewing... 3 in hiding... the suspense is friggen killing me!!!
I don't understand why people like to hide? Do they like the surprise attack, or are just embarrassed at the threads they looking at?

[treitz3]

I'm not taking any sides on the issue myself but the fact is that nobody has ever been able to prove they can hear a difference.
Make it to Polkfest, NC or any event I will be at and I will prove it. I've said it before, I'll say it again. It's not that hard to do.

[jakelm]

Cables threads are getting to by like God threads.

"Prove to me, that cables make a difference"

"No, you prove to me that cables dont make a difference"

A perfect circle argument.

[Sami]

The fact is that nobody has ever been able to prove people can't hear a difference;):p:D

Actually the fact is the other way. Plenty of double blind tests where it has been proven people can't distinguish between the cables they are listening to. Either way you look at what the reason for that is, they can't hear the difference.

[Sami]

Make it to Polkfest, NC or any event I will be at and I will prove it. I've said it before, I'll say it again. It's not that hard to do.

Well, can you make it next weekend? :)

http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63974

Like I said, I'm not taking any sides on the issue so if you can prove it, I'll gladly accept the results. So have you actually done a double blind cable test before?

[ben62670]

Actually the fact is the other way. Plenty of double blind tests where it has been proven people can't distinguish between the cables they are listening to. Either way you look at what the reason for that is, they can't hear the difference.

This argument is silly funny too. Where is the I am falling out of my chair Icon?
You can find anything you want on the internet to prove what you believe. Not being a smart Alick, but I truly feel bad for you if you can not hear the difference good cables make in a good system. I did not believe that cables made a difference, and laughed at those who did believe it, but I tried a few different cables, and...

I am not Paul Harvey
Good Night:)

[treitz3]

"Prove to me, that cables make a difference"

"No, you prove to me that cables dont make a difference"
Real simple to solve. Have them come down to witness first hand blindfolded, double blindfolded, triple blindfolded...whatever. Something tells me even though they witness it, they will still leave with the same thought process.

Look at all the cable swap threads. Look at all the threads started by experienced veterans and novices alike. Everybody can't be wrong, yet still.....

"Someone" recommends "pretty" cables that don't make a difference and still holds the thought process that everything can be measured and that any IC/PC or SC can't make any difference whatsoever.

Whatever. To each their own. I'm just glad that we are listening to better, more realistic reproduction than they are. That's a fact, Jack.

[jakelm]

I know what you guys are saying, on both sides of the arguments. I have very little experience in different cables so I cant pick one side or the other.

But,

Wouldnt a freq sweep work?

Run a 10hz-22kz sweep with one set of cables, then switch cables and run another sweep. Compare the 2 sweeps.

You could also check the sweep for phase variations.

[treitz3]

Sami, no I can't......

http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59626

We are holding our own here.

[treitz3]

Wouldnt a freq sweep work?

Run a 10hz-22kz sweep with one set of cables, then switch cables and run another sweep. Compare the 2 sweeps.

You could also check the sweep for phase variations.
Um, no.

[Sami]

Wouldnt a freq sweep work?

No, not at all. You can measure a lot of things but a human ear isn't as accurate as a machine can be. The only way is to take couple of cables and have someone identify the cables in a blind test where they don't know which cable is hooked up.

[ben62670]

so if you can prove it, I'll gladly accept the results.

This is where we go wrong. Who cares what someone claims they can prove?
The majority of the long term members here know what they know, and you need to know what you know whatever knowing what you know is;) If you try a couple different cables in your own listening environment, familiar music, same equipment, and you enjoy one cable over another great. If you do not sell them for less, same, or more than you paid for them. Thats how I did it, and also a fellow Polkie bringing over his cables for me to try. BTW try a couple different cable design types, and buying used is sometimes better than buying new. I don't even want to start the burn-in debate:eek:

[ben62670]

Wouldnt a freq sweep work?


If you enjoy listening to frequency sweeps:p

Edit
you are heading into measurement territory:eek:
4 members 1 invisible, and 2 "guests"
Someone is sitting back laughing... look what I started again:D

[jakelm]

Um, no.

Ok, fair enough.

The only reason why I brought it up, was:

If you run the sweep and get the exact same results, wouldnt that make the 2 cables identicle?

Isnt music just a different combination of the same soundwaves?

In your opinion, if you have 2 cables with the same properties and the exact same resistance, what would cause them to have different sounds?

Am I correct in thinking that your ear can only hear 4 things really: freq, phase, delay and reflection. The only 4 properties of soundwaves.

These same 4 things can be measured.

[Sami]

This argument is silly funny too.

When everyone has failed the test, I don't think the argument is "silly funny".

Me personally, I don't care one way or the other, as long as I have quality cable hooked up I am happy. In my humble system spending hundreds of dollars on cable just isn't an option, even if there was a small difference I'd rather spend the money elsewhere.

[jakelm]

If you enjoy listening to frequency sweeps:p

:D

Ben I'm just trying to get a better understanding on what people's opinions are about sound. And different ways, sound can be heard.

[Sami]

This is where we go wrong. Who cares what someone claims they can prove?

Not talking about claiming but actually proving. :)

[jakelm]

I'm going sleep on it.. Night guys...

[ben62670]

When everyone has failed the test, I don't think the argument is "silly funny".

Me personally, I don't care one way or the other, as long as I have quality cable hooked up I am happy. In my humble system spending hundreds of dollars on cable just isn't an option, even if there was a small difference I'd rather spend the money elsewhere.

I am just going to ignore the first 2 sentences(rehashed too many times), and I don't recommend spending hundreds of dollars on cables. Decent cables can be had for $30 used. Real good for $60-$80 new/used, and you can go nuts from there if you wish. I do have some $500 speaker cables, but I got them for $50. Are they better sounding than the $200 cables I got for $50 also? Yes, but for $300 more I could not afford it at this stage in my life, and to me it would be a waste of coin. I have 2 little girls, and bills that money could much better be spent on. You nailed it with "In my humble system". My system is pretty humble compared to some of the systems guys have here. Spending uber dollars on cables with a theater in a box system would be retarded. It would be like putting a 1000hp motor in a bone stock car. There is definitely a balance.

[ben62670]

I'm going sleep on it.. Night guys...

Yeah I am up way to late too. Working on amps, and playing on the forum.
Goodnight Jake.
Goodnight Sami.

[dorokusai]

Why can't someone enjoy their inexpensive upgrade without a debate coming out of it? It's sad and so is the argument.

[tonyb]

Why can't someone enjoy their inexpensive upgrade without a debate coming out of it? It's sad and so is the argument.

Well because Mark,common courtesy has left the building along with ELvis many moons ago.

Dont trash someone's parade folks,start your own thread if you want to discuss the why and why nots on a particular subject.

[Keiko]

I hear crickets. ;)

[Rivrrat]

This is the first time I have seen anyone gush about a $3 cable. Thought it was odd, and the complete opposite of what others report.

WHOA there dude. I was gushing over a 3 dollar cable? I said it made a noticable difference over a stock POS cable, and it was probably going to get me into the vicious cycle of spending too much on IC's. That's a LOOONG way from gushing over a 3 dollar cable

I let a bit go through your other posts, but you might want to reread what I said in my first post, before you go jumping to conclusions.

As far as being a believer....Explain how my wife knew something was different without being told? How much of a blind test is that? Remember I really wasn't much of a believer myself due to my occupation until then either.

[dorokusai]

Rivrrat - Enjoy your upgrade!

[Rivrrat]

In your opinion, if you have 2 cables with the same properties and the exact same resistance, what would cause them to have different sounds?

And that's the million dollar question. How many IC's have the same properties? I was talking about out of the box stock IC's. Now I haven't cut one open to see what they're made of, but I can imagine

Truthfully even I doubt two identical IC's would sound different. But I can see how two different analog IC's with different makeup and resistance measurements can sound different.

[Rivrrat]

Rivrrat - Enjoy your upgrade!


Thanks:D

But I think next time I'll just STFU.:p

[beardog03]

No...you shouldn`t have too...

I am glad to hear you notice something good in your rig...

Don`t stop sharing your experiences just because some people have to step on your findings....no matter what they have experienced, it`s good to share the ones that you have with the rest of us...

as far as lurking without being seen.....I always for get that I am invisible because my puter is always on.....

I must not be too invisible if you can see me !!!!

**(I am waiting for the right time to jump out and scare a newb !!)**


I have found in my audio journey, that the cables I have are like going from a water hose that is barely on , to one that is turned all the way up.......big difference


I may not be a ble to measure it with a devise, but I know what sounds better, what I like , and who cares if others don`t agree, or hear what I hear.....I will post my findings to share with you guys, just like you did with us.....thanks
for sharing....

ENJOY !!

that`s what it`s all about

[Sami]

But I think next time I'll just STFU.:p

No need for that. :)

Next time you get new IC's, and it sounds like you will, let me know and I will write down a listening/testing process for you that eliminates possible placebo effect. :D

[dorokusai]

Be aware that Sami's "process" involves him living at your house for a week, eating your food(Vegan) and he's not a fan of what most people call clothing....but it absolutely works.

[jakelm]

Im going measure something... I dont care what it is.. but its going to be measured...:p

[dorokusai]

I measure myself everytime I sit down to post on this forum.

[SolidSqual]

I've known for a long time that there's a difference in speaker cable. Back in 85 when I bought my m10's the place I got them from threw in 20 ft or so of 10g "Monster Cable", I don't know if it is or not, but that cable made a huge difference over my 16g lamp cable.

Fast forward to now. I've been reading for a year now the arguements over IC's and what not, not really believing that a low voltage signal could be that much different over different wire, as long as the gauge could support the signal (what happens when you do digital telcom cabling for a living).

So on a lark, I bought some Monoprice rg59 IC's during one of my orders while I'm recabling my HT to inwall. I'll be damned if it didn't make a noticable difference, a REALLY noticable difference. Even my wife said something.:eek:

So now, I'm wondering if I shouldn't pop for more, fancier IC's. This could turn into a vicious cycle, AND IT"S ALL YOUR FAULT.:D


I've tried blaming people on this forum for what has become an obsession. No one ever takes responsibility but they all seem content to watch you fall deeper into the upgrading tornadic abyss that is this hobby.

[Rivrrat]

Be aware that Sami's "process" involves him living at your house for a week, eating your food(Vegan) and he's not a fan of what most people call clothing....but it absolutely works.


He won't be staying long then based on our eating habits.

Clothing.......I live in Tucson, we don't wear much during the summer, and that's not a good thing for people looking over our block wall. :eek:

[Keiko]

He won't be staying long then based on our eating habits.

Clothing.......I live in Tucson, we don't wear much during the summer, and that's not a good thing for people looking over our block wall. :eek:

Well...You could cover yourselves with those cheap IC's on them hot days. That way they won't go completely to waste. :p Who knows, maybe it'll become a new fashion. Just an idea. :rolleyes:

[Sami]

He won't be staying long then based on our eating habits.

Since it seems I'm a vegan, I'll haul all the deer and moose meat from the freezer to you then... :)

[venomclan]

This forum is like a crack addiction, I keep working so I can score my next hit. Be it a new power cord, dac, amp...Get out while you can.
Venom

[tonyb]

I hear crickets. ;)


Um...wouldn't that be frogs in your neck of the woods?:p

[jakelm]

I hear crickets. ;)


Then change your cables...:p

[Keiko]

Um...wouldn't that be frogs in your neck of the woods?:p
Under every sexy frog is a horny toad. ;)

[Sami]

Yes I am, I am finally getting the fact that WilliamM2 recommends cables because they don't change the sound, but they look pretty.

treitz, you're the first person whom I know have said the monoprice IC's are pretty. :p

[Rivrrat]

Damn, 3 pages over a 3 dollar experiment. Oh, plus the deer and moose meat, along with new fashion ideas for those warm days around the pool.


You gotta love it. :D

[Keiko]

Damn, 3 pages over a 3 dollar experiment. Oh, plus the deer and moose meat, along with new fashion ideas for those warm days around the pool.


You gotta love it. :D
Don't forget the frogs, toads and crickets. :p

[wlburgess]

Why people think expensive speaker wire sounds better.

http://www.news.com/8301-13580_3-9849949-39.html?tag=bl

But if your not one to believe in this "science" stuff, you might want to invest in

http://www.pearcable.com/sub_products_anjou_sc.htm

you can get 58 feet for $36,250, most people have that kind of cash lying around...I think.

[dorokusai]

That's one extreme to the other and it encompasses everything that is audio....not just cables. It's been a couple months since I've seen a wine vs cables analogy....what's next? a Corvette vs Home Depot challenge?

Thanks Anti-Cable Patriot, wlburgess....your name will be etched on bathroom walls for all to pay homage 'til the end of time.

[jakelm]

Why people think expensive speaker wire sounds better.

http://www.news.com/8301-13580_3-9849949-39.html?tag=bl

But if your not one to believe in this "science" stuff, you might want to invest in

http://www.pearcable.com/sub_products_anjou_sc.htm

you can get 58 feet for $36,250, most people have that kind of cash lying around...I think.



I ussually dont judge people based on just their post count, but......:rolleyes:


http://www.pearcable.com/sub_products_comice_frequencyresponse.htm


All I can say to that^^^^ is... Finally!! someone did some measuring...lol:p:p

But that means my crap is in the red...my shits sucks...

[wlburgess]

That's one extreme to the other and it encompasses everything that is audio....not just cables. It's been a couple months since I've seen a wine vs cables analogy....what's next? a Corvette vs Home Depot challenge?

Thanks Anti-Cable Patriot, wlburgess....your name will be etched on bathroom walls for all to pay homage 'til the end of time.

My point is simply the mind is a powerful tool. There are people who think that name brand drugs work better than generic kinds, but yet the listing of the drugs on the box is exactly the same. I don't doubt people who perfer the expensive wire do because they paid more money for it. Expectations can change how you perceive an experience. As people here have said, sound is subjective, therefor your expectations of the sound plays a large part in how you perceive it.

[dorokusai]

Absolutely.

[dragon1952]

How about when you prefer wire that cost less? What's the explanation there I wonder. It's not always the most expensive wire that's preferred. That's an assumption that seems to always be made.
BTW, that 'mind' argument is as old as the hills and basic psychology. I learned it 40 yrs ago.

[Sami]

All I can say to that^^^^ is... Finally!! someone did some measuring...lol:p:p

But that means my crap is in the red...my shits sucks...

Pear Cable guys are a bunch of snake oil merchants, so take their website for what it is. :)