THX is awesome

[liv4fam]

What does everybody think of THX for the Home. personally I love it and it's badass.:lol:

[mantis]

We got a big new group of people in here...lets hear it.

Any comments about THX?any insight why it is a good thing or a bad thing?

[liv4fam]

Everybody in here should buy THX certified products just for the Timbre Matching...........;)

But Ultra wouldn't work because as people say in here

"Scotty we need more power"
" My RTI70's can handle 400 watts so I need 800 watts bi-amped"

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa:lol:

[mantis]

Scotty replies,
"Captain I'm giving yeah all the power she got."

[liv4fam]

Adaptive Decorreleation? I know do you?
Timbre Matching? I know do you?
Re-Eq? I know do you?

Dedicated to Mantis.

[Zero]

THX?

Dont care for it. The little Klipsch Quintet system for the PC supposed to be certified, yet its disguesting...

THX means very little to me, I just associate it with power.

[gidrah]

I remeber back when speakers had the "Digital Ready" stamp of approval. I didn't buy into that stamp and I won't buy into this one.

Sure it's nice to have, but it has about .01% validity when I consider a piece.

Besides:
"THX Ultra2 gear is designed for rooms averaging at least 3,000 cubic feet in volume, while THX Select gear is designed for rooms averaging 2,000 cubic feet" S&V Nov. 2002

If I had a room this large, I'd use horns. Probably either Altec or Tannoy. Neither of which have the coveted stamp. I guess, just because the Voice of the Theater speakers defined quality theater sound, and these teamed with quality tube amps create sonic perfection is something that doesn't matter in George's eyes and thus needn't be considered is just proof.

Is there a THX rated tube amp?

[F1nut]

THX, pffff. SRS SDA, now they stand for great sound!

[Zero]

Those companies pay BIG bucks for that THX tag, I tell ya.....

[phuz]

It's overated and overpriced. Meaningless for most home applications.

[goingganzo]

i would not buy thx cirted speakers or amps i would buy thx prossers that is where thx cert gives you sothing all the others just say that the speaker is good

[ntculenuff]

if i wanted to throw away a few hundred dollars for a stamp i would buy equip and wires that have a thx stamp, but maybe i will just spend the extra $$'s on the euipment itself instead of the stamp.. oh but what a pretty stamp it is bla bla bla

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

got a marker?

[jdavy]

THX certification is great for where your sound in the most criticle. Example are your speaker wires and your digital decoder.

Best sound decoding is DTS. Hands down the best for movies and not bad for audio as well if you like surround sound music.

BTW F1nut it is SDA-SRS or Stereo Dimentional Array- Signiture Reference System. And yes for two channel audio or PCM encoded movies those babies can not be touched. Simply awsome.

[F1nut]

jdavy,

Yeah, you're right. What can I say, it was 4:19 am when I posted that. I know what it stands for, I own some and they are AWESOME!!!

[liv4fam]

Man I really get a kick of listening to you guys go.

SO what you are saying is that THX is not designed for the home and does absolutely nothing for your Home Theater and it's just a badge so you have to pay more money. RIGHT?

I feel differently on the subject. Home THX was designed to deal with the problems of transferring and playing back movies that were mixed for a very large theater and then playing back the same movie in a small sized home theater environment.

Now I can't speak for all of you but me personally as an installer have never installed a hometheater that was anywhere near the size of a commercial theater room.:lol:

So with that in mind I can speak from experience and say that most theaters benefit from what a THX certified processor can give you.

Every movie that is mixed is for a commercial theater not the home and THX knows that so what they did is give the consumer (or better yet the installer) the ability to fine tune the theater system they are working.

Now most of you probably don't care about room acousticsand room nodes but I do and I deal with the situations everyday so having the room equalization circuit and full bass peak manager and adaptive decorrealation is priceless.

In almost every system that I have done there is always a problem with pre-amps and receivers that do no have some sort of RE-EQ circuit in as the movie will always sound overly bright as the high frequency roll-off is designed for a large room and in Home theater applications where the listener is sitting close to the center channel obviously gets overpowered with sound. Since most companies of today acknowledges this a problem they do offer there version of RE_EQ but it derives from the THX HOME standard and it most all cases still doesn't get you the flexibility to effectively tailor the room.

I think Home THX is not a badge or a seal of approval it is a tool to make the room respond as close to how a commercial theater responds just on a smaller scale and that is there whole point and that is what they offer nothing more they do not label THX products as better than everyone elses they just let you experience movies and the mixer intended and as I own a THX Ultra receiver (B&K AVR-307) to where I can fully tailor my room I think it is golden as now my room sounds better than ever and it just couldn't be achieved without having the THX circuits in there to overcome my problems.

Hope this gave somebody a better understanding of what THX products are trying to accomplish

[gidrah]

But is there a THX approved tube amp?

You'd think, with all the time it takes to release a movie to DVD, they would mix it down a little for home use.

Is there some sort of option that all THX rated processors give that the rest don't. I don't know, maybe there is and you can give us a better understanding.

I don't have a dedicated theater and probably never will. The closest I'll get is a dedicated multi-channel audio room that also plays movies.

[RuSsMaN]

It's the 'magic' circuitry inside.

Liv, did you buy THX certified speakers too?

Cheers,
Russ

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

THX to me is a little stamp that they put on stuff for craps and giggles!

[HBombToo]

Originally posted by liv4fam
Adaptive Decorreleation? I know do you?
Timbre Matching? I know do you?
Re-Eq? I know do you?

Dedicated to Mantis.

Do you have equalization curves you can share with the forum from any of your installs? I would be real interested in seeing a delta in the curves with and without the THX Standard.

I don't think thats tooo much to ask from a professional... Do Ya?

HBomb

[liv4fam]

No russ I do not have THX certified speakers nor do I have THX rated video sources or a THX certified equalizer.

But I am not trying to do a full THX certified room as I do not have a dedicated theater room that I watch movies in.
But I am saying that having a THX certified receiver has helped me battle my room nodes and peaks and dips in my room.
The B&K has some of the best room equalization circuitry in it that I have ever seen.
For instance my room resonates really bad around 48 HZ and rolls into about 53 HZ at plus 8db so I used the equalization circuitry to filter that range from 46.7HZ to 54.2HZ at -8db to limit that frequency range back to flat for the rest of the frequency sweep. I also have a bad reflection point from the ceiling for my center channel which gives me a +3db gain without the THX circuit engaged and listening to regular DD and DTS but with it engaged I loose that resonance and get flat frequency response with no gain or unnatural harshness or over brightness.

I have to say too that listening to my Laserdisc player without THX and using Pro-Logic it pretty much is boring but again using the THX circuit I get a more spatial soundstage and better seperation because the THX circuit uses Time Phasing and shifting to give a sense of seperation in the rears even though I am not using four pairs of rears like the theater does. So to me I think it is very worht it and it works for me.

So in closing if you guys think it is dumb and a waste of money that's okay by me. I am not trying to convince you that is good I think it serves a purpose for anybodies given system and I have found that I use there features everyday and I hope they keep up the good work and I am really looking forward until I get to work with a lot of the new THX Ultra 2 stuff out there.

Ooooopppss.......I forgot. I do not know of a THX certified tube amp and I don't think there are any as Tubes wouldn't really make a cost effective amp to use for theater.

[Zero]

In my incredibly short career as an installer - I had the pleasure of seeing a house that was being completely wired by the company - this gentlemen had a friggen REAL-to-life theater sized listening area. Then again, he had 50 million dollars to spend...

I was floored. All the cables met in one area in that mansion, and bundled together - they were at least 5-6 feet thick of nothing but hundreds upon hundreds of wire. Simply amazing.

As for THX - well , since those little Klipsch Quintets are rated as certified - I reserve take any "THX" tag seriously. I know it can produce volume, which is where the joy-ride, from what I have heard-ends. It has its purposes, but for most of us with realistic sized rooms - its a waste of power and cash.

[TroyD]

I'll pass on this re-hash.

BDT

[TroyD]

didn't someone have a pic of George Lucas's studio having non-THX B&W's ?

BDT

[F1nut]

Yes, yes they did.

[RuSsMaN]

Yeah, but THAT rig is for non-hard rock soundtracks only. We all know Bowers & Wilkins fall apart with hard rock. ;)

Cheers,
Rooster

[liv4fam]

Alright so I guess the subject is dead.

You all think it's dumb and advertising and I think it works well.

We all have our opinions.

Thanks for playing

[TroyD]

I didn't say that it's without value. However, I do feel that for most folks, resources can be better utilized than worrying about THX certification.

BDT

[gidrah]

Would this THX equalization do anything beyond that of what a combination parametric & graphic could do?

You can pick up a mono tube amp for around $100.00 nowadays.

[gidrah]

What about THX rated electrostatics or full-range speakers? What about High-Efficiency horns?

Is there a THX recommended volume rating?

You know, but do I?

[liv4fam]

Gidrah,

Yes there is a THX volume recommended it's called your receiver or preamps reference mark.

When you use a Test disc or the receivers internal Test Tone generator it should test tone at the reference level or if it is a low budget one and you have to manually turn up the volume all you have to do is turn it up to where you get a 75db level at your mains and balance the rest the system off of it and that would be your THX recommended reference level. In most cases it will be 0db on receivers with a digital volume control.

But as most home theaters (ie. living rooms, bedrooms, family rooms) can not not withstand this pressure level you will find that the reference level will be too loud but if you have a controlledd environment like a dedicated theater room that has been properly treated and acoustically balanced then it is a lot more likely that the reference level will be achieved.

Mono Tube for 100.00? Where? In fantasy land maybe.
I was talking about amanufacturer produced tube amp not a backdoor garage my friend built this tube amp.

Anyways I haven't seen no theater that has used tube amps for every channel nor do i think I ever will. ;)

[TroyD]

Mono Tube for 100.00? Where? In fantasy land maybe.

Actually, you can find them. I can't remember the name offhand but they are (I think) 3wpc tube monos. 99 bucks each or some such. Russ probably remembers the name.

BDT

[RuSsMaN]

Antique Sound Labs Wave 8, 10wpc continuous, tube monoblocks, $99 each, $119 each with metal cover.

They are on my 'short' list for 2003.

Cheers,
Russ

[gidrah]

.....and Bingo was his name-o.

They even made my Christmas wish list for this year.

[liv4fam]

Cool.

I stand corrected tubes for 99 dollars huh? That's awesome maybe I should I go out and buy a couple right now jut because it's cheap. Hooray!!!!!:lol:

I could have 7 channel theater for 700 dollars and be tubed at that. Wow pretty impressive.

Way to "Get your cheap on guys" :o

Boring.

I went down to my local Rat Shack today to listen to those awesome Optimus speakers and you guys are right they are really good. I was so juiced on em that I asked the salesman if he could tell me a little about them and He asked what I wanted to know so I said "What is there frequency response?"
"How do they sound with tubes?"
I asked him "What do you think of these compared to say Polk LSI 9's?"

He looked at me crossed eyed.
So I had to ask him "Are you from the Polk forum?"
Because you are just about confused as the people in there.:lol:

[TroyD]

Ding! Fries are done
Ding! Fries are done

[liv4fam]

You want a shake with them fries?

Which you like to Super Size that for 89 cents more?

Ooooopppppssss!!!!

That's not the business I am in.

Excuse me would you like a real Home Theater? i can do that for ya

[phuz]

What defines a real home theater?

[TroyD]

Yeah, I'm need to get my inwall HT on. Unplug a couple amps and set 'em on the floor. Shit, what was I thinking?

BDT

[TroyD]

Phuz,

The correct definition is whatever came out of the latest sales brochure.

BDT

[mantis]

SOMETHING WRONG WITH INWALL HOME THEATER?

[mantis]

sorry to fool your out of date post but liv4fam now own def tech's.I think you'll find them on the Home Theater mag's top 10 list.They are rated at 97.Hmmmmm sounds like they just might be pretty damn good.O and he also got a B&K avr307.Gee won best receiver 3 years in a row.That must be a good no?????Well guys there you have the basis of making an excellent home theater,wire it up with some Monster M2.2 wire,And your on your way.
b

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

Liv4Fam - You find me a 50 dollar speaker, that sounds as good as these speakers right here.

http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F002%5F006%5F002%5F000&product%5Fid=40%2D5025

You probally skipped over em, because their so small. These are the RCA remakes. But I dont see why they would sound any different. For 50 dollars - They are pretty accurate. They dont play very loud though.

[mantis]

Gee wasn't this post about THX.I see no one has anything intelligent to say about it.Magic marker it on your receiver,don't worry about THX,just a way to deepen George's pockets and all the other crap on here.Whatever.
Liv4fam enjoys the benifits of THX,I see nobody else does.

[mantis]

Ding! Fries are done Ding! Fries are done
Ding! Fries are done

Nice way to insult a less then fortunate person.That effin thing Russ found isn't funny.

I think it's bad taste in humor.Just like that pic of the less then fortunate running a race.

Effin ignorant people.I hope that makes you feel better as a person.:supermad:

[TroyD]

Whatever Dan,

I posted my thoughts on THX. I don't think it's inherently bad but I also don't believe that the average person needs to get all wrapped around the axle about it either.

There is nothing wrong with an inwall setup nor is there anything wrong with his current setup. That's not the point. The point is that it certainly doesn't put him in a position of superiority, as he would seem to have as believe.

As far as the tube amps go, why knock them ESPECIALLY when you've never even heard of them. Of course there is always the same issue lurking, that if it isn't expensive then it can't be good. In the same line of logic that there is something wrong with used gear bought on the cheap.

As far as the other thing goes, your right. Poor Liv4fam can't help the way he is, I suppose.

BDT

[ntculenuff]

most amps speakers cables that are of any value exceed thx any ways no matter how we look at it some people have to pay for it..
sunfire, yamaha, kef, b&w, martin and logan, krell not thx certified must be crap..........

[TheGrayGhost]

Originally posted by liv4fam

That's not the business I am in.

Excuse me would you like a real Home Theater? i can do that for ya

Are you CEDIA certified?

[liv4fam]

Krell not THX certified?

Hmmmmmm??????? Talking out your butt again I see.

Get your gear on my man.

B&W not THX certified?

Hmmmmmmmm????????? Wrong Again!!!

That's pretty funny. Come on fellas you can do better than that.

[liv4fam]

Oh and yes we are Cedia certified every year.

We have to take the tests year after year and to keep or installer level certification up to date. ie....Level I, II, III and so on

[liv4fam]

MX,

I wouldn't go look for a speaker for 50 dollars.

Why? Is it going to blow my socks off? I;m I going to be wowed by a cheap Bose knockoff?

Nope!!!!!

If you think they are clean and accurate, So be it.

Enjoy them if you must but to me they do absolutely nothing for me and I wouldn't even waste my time listening to them because I already know what they will do.

And I will not go look for another 50 dollar speaker because I am not in that price range of equipment and I know it will not perform anywhere near how I like a speaker to sound.

Same with the R series of Polk. I have heard them time and time again and not once was I ever impressed on how they performed. So if that is what sounds go to you then just like it but personally I don't care for it nor do I consider it when looking for new speakers.

[brettw22]

I find it amazing that the thread can be started asking for people's opinions, and then be followed up with telling people they don't know what they're talking about when they do reply and then you get all high and mighty.

I'll appreciate straight forward information from peoples posts, but I'll pass on the uppity attitude that gets thrown in peoples faces when their replies apparently don't live up to what our self appointed know it alls feel is acceptable feedback..........

Wow........I guess I'm grumpy until I really wake up.....oh well......

[RuSsMaN]

Two strangers are sitting in an adjacent seats in
airplane. One guy says to the other, "Let's talk. I
hear that the flight will go faster if you strike up
a conversation with your fellow passenger."

The other guy, who had just opened a good book,
closes it slowly, takes off his glasses and asks,
"What would you like to discuss?" The first guy
says, "Oh, I don't know; how about audio?"

The other guy says, "OK, that could make for some
pretty interesting conversation. But let me ask you
a question first: A horse, a cow, and a deer all eat
the same stuff, but the deer excretes pellets; the
cow, big patties; and the horse, clumps of dried
grass. Why is that?"

The first guy says, "I don't know."

The other guy says, "Oh? Well then, do you really
think you're qualified to discuss audio when
you don't know shit?"

[brettw22]

HAAAAA HAAAA......

nice..............

[TheGrayGhost]

”We have to take the tests year after year and to keep or installer level certification up to date. ie....Level I, II, III and so on”

So you are certified as an installer, not a designer.

And when you said, “Excuse me would you like a real Home Theater? i can do that for ya”, it was only half true.

[TroyD]

C'mon guys, he is certified for crying out loud. Don't you know that automatically means that he knows everything and we know nothing?

Brett,

It wasn't an opinion post. It was a loaded question. See, if we disagree that THX is the greatest thing since sliced bread, well, we are all imbeciles and further cements that none of us have anything of value to offer. In no way, shape or form was it designed to be an exchange of ideas.

BDT

[HBombToo]

I'm still waiting for curves.....

[TroyD]

installer, HBomb, not engineer.

You drinkin' this early?

BDT

[brettw22]

Originally posted by TroyD
In no way, shape or form was it designed to be an exchange of ideas.

My most sincere apologies......<<bows down and humbly backs away>> :rolleyes:

[HBombToo]

Well we have some sites and carriers to turn up for capacity but I should be knee deep in BOOZE by 2:30 central.

I am loving life right now. Friday we go into a data base freeze for the rest of the year on the Network which means NO Changes and Break time for the HBOMB!

God its been a tough year and I'm glad its over.

HBomb the NON-Engineer but real time Fire Fighter.

[TheGrayGhost]

”C'mon guys, he is certified for crying out loud.”

I don’t thank he is certified. For example he didn’t know that CEDIA currently only has certification programs for BoxCutter I & II, sorry I mean Installer I & II and Designer I that are all “supervised” positions.

He also didn’t know that certification is good for three years and if you meet continuing education requirements (30 hours I believe) the certification is extended an additional three years.

[F1nut]

This is getting interesting. I think a call to Tweeter might be in order.

[TroyD]

Originally posted by TheGrayGhost
”C'mon guys, he is certified for crying out loud.”

I don’t thank he is certified. For example he didn’t know that CEDIA currently only has certification programs for BoxCutter I & II, sorry I mean Installer I & II and Designer I that are all “supervised” positions.

He also didn’t know that certification is good for three years and if you meet continuing education requirements (30 hours I believe) the certification is extended an additional three years.


let the foot shuffling begin.

BDT

[RuSsMaN]

Oh does anyone *really* care either way? Let's press on.

Cheers,
Russ

[TroyD]

True dat, true dat.

In the grand scheme, relatively minor.

BDT

[liv4fam]

It wasn't an opinion post. It was a loaded question. See, if we disagree that THX is the greatest thing since sliced bread, well, we are all imbeciles and further cements that none of us have anything of value to offer. In no way, shape or form was it designed to be an exchange of ideas.


It was not a loaded question I wanted to hear what everyone had to think about THX and why? why? why?

Instead all I got was "it's a gimmick" it's useless, thx doesn't make it any better than something non-THX.

I wanted to know if you feel that way why didn't anybody explain why?

It's sucks just because. That's basically what I got.

And none of you had anything to say about what it does or doesn't do but only offered oh THX speakers.........why are they better?

What's the real reason you don't like it? Because I do?

[TroyD]

Ok, first of all, get your search on. We've debated this before with a lot of salient points brought up.

I still, on the other hand, have not gotten any information that would make me see how it's beneficial for the average HT dude. You have to admit, there is a lot of non-THX gear out there that is as good if not better than THX gear. Moreover, just because your gear is THX, doesn't mean much, there is much more to it in terms of setup and so forth. Again, I just feel for the average HT enthusiast, it's not really worth it.

BDT

[TroyD]

Ok, I do have a question about THX. What would the difference be between using a THX processor or what have you and a good outboard EQ?

Really, I'm not being a wiseass, I'm curious.

BDT

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

THX - Heres what I think, I dont think they suck. I find it useless to buy. But I dont think it sucks. Infact, I bet it sounds fabulous "If it sounds good to you, so be it"

- What's the real reason you don't like it? Because I do? -
No Liv, I think it sucks because you like it! ;) ...not really. Just because you think Polk R series and such arnt good, dont make me loose any sleep at night. I and Really anyone else here hasnt said they didnt like it. Almost everyone here has said Its just a gimick, and a tag. Well i agree that for speakers. I think it could mean something to receivers, pre/pros. Amps, and Speakers? NO WAY! I dont think it holds grass in the ground with a lawn mower running over it. I think its a useless tag that you pay hundreds of dollars for! "If it sounds good to you, so be it"

[mantis]

TroyD,
what the eff do you care anyway.You put NO time or effort into Home Theater.So why talk about it.You still haven't gottten any Informationon how it's benifical to the average dude???what the eff is an average dude?You?whatever man.Is there any reason you post on this?You could care less about THX or home theater.If you had any understanding of THX,you could see some benefits of any effin home theater.Do you post just to keep the numbers up?You add nothing to the post so why don't you leave it alone,go hang out in the 2 channel.

It's such a waste of time talking to a effin wall.

[F1nut]

why? why? why?

That is always the burning question.

It's sucks just because.


"Because" is the perfect answer. It's basic psychology 101, no other explanation is needed.

[mantis]

This forum sucks because............I need no other explanation.

[F1nut]

Getting ready for another exit, stage left?

[mantis]

good call one of your best posts yeat F1

[F1nut]

Now, now Dan. Just relax and take a deep breath. There is nothing here worth getting worked up over. ;)

BTW, it's yet and thank you very much!

[RuSsMaN]

What does Troy have for his HT, since he doesn't 'care'?

Lets see, a 52" Tv, a decent Denon receiver, Polk RTA12s for mains running off a Carver M1.0t, a CS400 ran off a Carver m400a, Polk R10 surrounds, a Paradigm PDR-10 sub, par for the course DVD and VCR.

Sounds like a pretty bitchin HT to me, esp for someone who doesn't 'care' about it.

If you don't like talking to a 'wall', then don't. If this forum 'sucks', choose not to visit it. Once again, people were asked for their opinions, those people gave them, then were rediculed for those very opinions. What was offered as to why we need, or should seek out THX gear (other than it is 'badass')? Hello, McFly? Pot, Kettle, Black, that whole thing ya' know?

Cheers,
Russ

[mantis]

I'll gotta agree with that.O thanks for taking my A out of my YEAT.How kind.
My issues don't rest in you F1,FrankZ on the other hand has my undivided attention.Who the eff does he think he is saying Mxstyle needs to get out.

[RuSsMaN]

Did I miss something, did Frank go postal on Sid?

Cheers,
Russ

[F1nut]

I know Dan, we're cool. Maybe Frank is just having a bad night, we all have them.

[F1nut]

Russ,

Off Topic, age post.

[RuSsMaN]

Found it, wow, Frank IS on a tear. Not saying I condone it, but the entertainment value is there. ;)

Cheers,
Russ

[mantis]

Russ,
Let me check with Frank if I should stay or go.He has an age requirement on the forum now.You gotta pass the ID check in at Franks Check point.

Troy told me he puts no stock in HT.Thats why I said what I said.2 channel is in his soul.I'm cool with it,THX ..... I didn't read your thoughts........... press on I read.Move along.So where are we going RUSS.LEAD THE WAY TO A BETTER UNDERSTANDING.Start a cool post that we can all get together and discuss audio/video/whatever....lead my man lead...

[Zero]

Good Lord - this is like reading a conversation spawned from the offices of secretaries at a school.

Now ladies....... be nice.

[gidrah]

Originally posted by liv4fam

It was not a loaded question I wanted to hear what everyone had to think about THX and why? why? why?


What about the why NOTS. A few memebers voice their dissenting opinions and ask questions and you get all thrown into a tizzy.:eek:

I asked a valid question that Troy reiterated. What can be done with this THX EQ that can't be done with a standard EQ. I also asked parametric + graphic, but was just trying to be open to possibilities.

I'll guess that with the right speakers (probably non-THX rated) 7 ASLs would "sound" better than pretty much any 7 channel amp even at twice as much. Stick around some day you might know (about sound) as you think you do.

[meestercleef]

Is to, is not, is to, is not.
There. I won. did not, did to, did not, did to.

Anyway, just to throw something out there that will perhaps restart the brawling (I don't know squat about THX): I was looking at the latest edition of Robert Harley's HT book, & he indicates that if you also use your HT spkrs for music, the THX Ultra 2 standard is much better (as far as speakers are concerned). Reason being that earlier THX speaker standards had severely limited vertical dispersion & were not nearly as good for music as they were for movies.

p.s.--the THX website has an article in the "news" section re new THX Ultra 2 products

[TroyD]

Originally posted by mantis
TroyD,
what the eff do you care anyway.You put NO time or effort into Home Theater.So why talk about it.You still haven't gottten any Informationon how it's benifical to the average dude???what the eff is an average dude?You?whatever man.Is there any reason you post on this?You could care less about THX or home theater.If you had any understanding of THX,you could see some benefits of any effin home theater.Do you post just to keep the numbers up?You add nothing to the post so why don't you leave it alone,go hang out in the 2 channel.

It's such a waste of time talking to a effin wall.

Gee, Dan, do I not get to ask questions? The question being, for a third time, what is the difference between using a THX processor and using an EQ? To me it would seem to be different means to the same end which is to artificially manipulate (for better or worse, not the point) the material?

As for the rest of it, no, HT is not my primary concern, however, I DO have an HT as Russ described (except it's a 55"TV) and I have put a lot of work into it so I don't see where you get off bashing my rig. I certainly don't question your right to post or hold an opinion on 2ch gear.

What I mean by the AVERAGE dude is this: the majority of folks have a hard enough time buying gear and getting it set up properly. There are many folks who listen to DVD in Pro Logic because they can't figure out how to set up for digital. As I said, for the majority of folks who don't hire installers and so forth THX is meaningless. Think big picture here. Most folks go buy a THX receiver and think, boom, done, I'm THX. Not to mention all those (and there are a lot) who think THX is a surround format. We all know that isn't so. For that guy THX does him no good at all. See where I'm going with this?

BDT

Now, as far as I'm concerned I'm done with this.

[brettw22]

Thank you Troy for asking a question that I was curious as to what the answer was. Fuck you Dan for actin the ass and tellin him that his question didn't bring anything to the conversation. Fuck liv4fam for taking peoples responses and essentially telling them they're idiots.

For those that try to act like teachers, you have a pretty fucked up way of 'teaching', if that's even what you guys call it. Don't ask for opinions and in the same breath shit on people for asking questions in the same post for clarification. What would you like to have done, answers only in your posts and if there's a question, put it in it's own post and then you can magically transform into a helpful, non-antagonistic person?

There was not any sort of retaliation against liv until he started insulting the people that responded, so from that point on, all blame can go there. I don't care who said what past that, since it's all a pissin match anyway.

Just got back from runnin errands and thought that I'd see how much 5 year old tantrum shit had been thrown around while I was out......Thank god I won't ever be disappointed with this forum not providing enough of that.............

[HBombToo]

and now you know the rest of the story... ;)

[RuSsMaN]

God bless the F bomb.

[Frank Z]

This is amazing! I 've been reading this post on and off to see what is being said about THX vs. non-THX, never know when you might learn something, and Bam...There's my name. I'm getting spanked for all the wrong reasons! My comments to MX were a gag, same as when I (and others) teased him about using LOL all the time.

Now all of a sudden Mantis is a foul mouthed mind reader! He starts in on me because I don't believe in speaker break-in. So what! If he or anybody else thinks that their speakers sound better, that's great, means you got a better speaker than you planned on. Next thing you know my couch, of all things get's flamed, I am accused of trying to run Mx off the forum. Somebody show me where I got mean, foulmouthed ,and biggoted! Can Not be Done, Cuz!! If mx was offended, my apologies to him only, I've already posted elsewhere that I was just having a little fun with him. Mantis, If you feel that putting words in my mouth makes you the head box cutter around here, fine. The rest of the folks around these parts are smart enough to see through your phony B.S.

You can take as many cheap shots at me as you like, because as I have said before, and as others also feel...

You are no longer relevant!

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

Its all fun and games man, lol - once again, dont pull my chain that late at night! LOL! Newayz, old fart...LMAO! I would like to hear Kenwood's THX receivers...neone heard em?

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

or you could be what my dad calls him self....a smart fart...lol

[Frank Z]

Sid, can I call ya Sid?
Don't sweat anything I say to ya, cuz of my age and all. You don't need my okay to stick around, or anybody else's for that matter!

And BTW, I Don't feel old enough to be called an OLD Fart, yet!

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

ight...Mid Fart! LOL! dont that sound weird? lol! Ya, you can call me sid...i think thats me new nickname...lol

[Frank Z]

That'll work!

[mantis]

TroyD,
As for the rest of it, no, HT is not my primary concern, however, I DO have an HT as Russ described (except it's a 55"TV) and I have put a lot of work into it so I don't see where you get off bashing my rig. I certainly don't question your right to post or hold an opinion on 2ch gear.
Dude I didn't bash your Home Theater gear.Show me where and I will apologize.All I said was your not into theater that much,your into 2 channel.I thought you where putting more time into this THX thing that you don't even care about nor what to talk about.The EQ question is a good one.If you really want to know about that VS THX,we should start a new thead and get into it.I'd love to talk about it.
What I mean by the AVERAGE dude is this: the majority of folks have a hard enough time buying gear and getting it set up properly. There are many folks who listen to DVD in Pro Logic because they can't figure out how to set up for digital. As I said, for the majority of folks who don't hire installers and so forth THX is meaningless. Think big picture here. Most folks go buy a THX receiver and think, boom, done, I'm THX. Not to mention all those (and there are a lot) who think THX is a surround format. We all know that isn't so. For that guy THX does him no good at all. See where I'm going with this?
I can respect what you wrote.I like when one explains thereself instead of assuming others know what you mean.The average person is to wide.My opnion of a average theater person differs from yours.I also dissagree with no advantages owning THX gear of a average person.The benefits are there for anyone who enguages the THX processing.THX ULRA 2 is there best work yeat.I think it's nice that THX goes as far as they do to help people enjoy Home Theater.
I also think the EQ question VS THX is also a good one.That deserves it's own thead as there's alot to be said to answer that.
I'll tell you this Troy,your last post on this subject is so much better then the quick and short version.Good one yeah Bro:)

brett22,
Fuck you Dan for actin the ass and tellin him that his question didn't bring anything to the conversation. \
Dude cool out.That had nothing to do with you and everything to do with what Troy and I talked about in private.IM style.He knows where I'm coming from.And if HE doesn't I will gladly explain myself.
For those that try to act like teachers, you have a pretty fucked up way of 'teaching', if that's even what you guys call it. Don't ask for opinions and in the same breath shit on people for asking questions in the same post for clarification. What would you like to have done, answers only in your posts and if there's a question, put it in it's own post and then you can magically transform into a helpful, non-antagonistic person?
I'm not really sure what you mean by this but I will take it at face value.I enjoy helping anyone who can use my help.If you really feel I'm full of crap(I will allow Liv4fam to speak for himself)Don't use my advice.I give my opnions on things,and all of it comes from experience.I personally hold alot of water with experience.I once was just a hobbiest like all of you.Then I took my hobby and made a career out of it.I enjoy going to work,I love audio and video the most.It's my very favorite thing.It's been for most of my life.I'm sorry you feel the way you do.I know alot of it is focused on liv4fam,but I feel the need to address your comments.
Let me take a minute of your time and explain this topic.Liv4fam owns his first THX processor in the B&K avr307.He loves to death what it does for the problems he was having in his room.Liv4fam and myself take our sound very seriously.If there's something out there that will help.the better.Wire,room treatment ,THX,SPL meters,Training from work,reading about it,meeting companies Engineers,Tech support,etc.THX is something the both us us have found very usefull.We also took cources at Cedia this year on THX.If you do a search I started a thead about John Dohl I met and studied under.He is from THX and is one fasinating passionate person for audio and video.I sat in his class speechless when he started talking about room acoustics.Simply blown away.I personaly like to talk about anything audio.

FrankZ,
This is amazing! I 've been reading this post on and off to see what is being said about THX vs. non-THX, never know when you might learn something, and Bam...There's my name. I'm getting spanked for all the wrong reasons! My comments to MX were a gag, same as when I (and others) teased him about using LOL
Dude I will start..well I know you probably won't read this as you feel I'm no longer relevent but what the hell maybe you will.It's not the fact you don't believe in speaker break in ,it's the way you said it.You made it sound like whoever believes in speaker break in is a butthole clown,or childish with the comments about the easter bunny and santa claus.Not what you believe it's how you said it.I'm completely fine if you don't believe it or can't hear it.It's taken me half my life to somewhat understand this hobby of ours.I got a long way to go.I try to learn something everyday.On the job or off.
Next thing you know my couch, of all things get's flamed, I am accused of trying to run Mx off the forum.
Dude I'm sorry for bustin on your couch infront of your left main.You pissed me off,you've been postin around here like your the be all end all or something,compound our spif on the speaker thing and it came out.I personally think you got on of the nicest theaters in here.You own alot of the same gear I do.I would love to come over and tweak your room.Not to insult your setup, but just to try and help you get the most of your very nice system.
You knwo exactly why I started on you about Mxstylepolkman.The comments you made about him to the new guy was uncalled for.You told him he that MX was just a kid of 13 and didn't know what side of a hammer to hold,had no bussiness talking amoung adults,then you start a age thing in off topic about how people under the age of 18 shouldn't be permitted to post around here.Thats exactly why I stared on you about that.Everysingle person in here has the right to post.Kidding or not that was asshole shit.

Well there you have it,I said my peace to everyone who deserved it.......except Russ......Eff yeah dude.:p ;) :cool:

[liv4fam]

Damn!!!

Now everybodies TIT is in the ringer. It's funny how everybody ends saying eff ya and eff this and the world can go eff itself.

Entertaining to say the least.

So I am all caught up on my reading for now and basically all I have to say is I think THX is great and it works for me and my room and obviously I learned that I am not an AVERAGE HT guy (thanks troy) and demand a little more performance than the next guy.
So let me throw out my opinion of THX processing vs. EQ's.

IMO,
There is no comparison whatsoever being that they are both designed to do two seperate things all together.
Granted, THX Cinema RE-EQ circuit tames the center down a little but remains sonically intact for the same dynamic as that of your mains which an eq can not do and secondly THX added precise Timbre Matching for all channels and Adaptive Decorreleation for phase shifting for the rears to gic=ve you a more envloping surround experience.
Now I believe a THX rated EQ should be USED with a THX processor to fully tune a room but for me the Above Average HT enthusiast I am satisified with the improvments that I got from the B&K and THX circuit.
I actually was looking at the RANE parametric THX EQ's for awhile (I think it was last year, right Dan?) but I just couldn't get my hands on them as I had to order from California and the REP was giving me hard time so I just said screw it.
Would you gain from an EQ? Without Doubt!
Would you gain from the THX circuit? No Question!
Use both together? Absolutely!

It's crazy that most of you disagree with everything we say and call us retarded and say we have no clue what we are talking about.
Everytime I post anything in this forum I always get that my post has no meaning and I am irrelevant.

I don't post in here to tell you guys what to do or think. Do I ever say oh you should buy B&K or you should own Monster NO!!!!!
I say buy whatever you want. I don't have to listen to it.
Never in my life since I have been an installer have I ever heard or your you should work at Burger King with the other retards or your a butthole and everything I say is irrelevant.

I never thought that by coming into (cc) a POLK forum is where I would be outclassed by such Knowledgeable individuals. If I knew this was where all the A/V masters and geniuses hung out I would came in here a long time ago to learn everything.

I am curious? Dan and I where talking on the way home today and we came up with the a good point.
Do you guys beat up other contractors too?
I know electrical and carpentry but guess what? I still have a electrician come in sometimes and wire duplexes or a panel and I don't ever call him a smack or a butthole and say "You know I can do electrical and you do it everyday what makes you so goddamn special?"

Listen to this.

I am just an electrical hobbyist. Why should I listen to master electrician it's just his opinion that we have to ground an outlet.
I say eff ya and you are butthole.

That is a example of what you guys do to us.

I just wanted to talk about THX and once again you ruined it.

BTW Troy..............You said we have been through this and you don't care to re-hash the subject.
Guess What? I haven't been in this forum for 3 years neither have a lot of the new guys so maybe it's not been discussed before with us.
You seem to let the "How to hook-up my PSW-650 sub" thread go on without making fun of someone. I think I have seen that thread about 300 times by now.

So I say........This forum is getting really bad. I feel sorry for the new guys that are coming in becuase they won't be able to learn anything because they are going to get blah, blah, blah, let's move on or they will get I don't care to re-hash this.

I am not going to post in here anymore because personally it's a waste of my time and I need to talk to people that actually LOVE there gear.

So to all polk members.

Good Luck on your systems and "May the Rat Shack be with you":p

[brettw22]

This is utterly amazing to me, and I really shouldn't even bother posting this, but I'm gonna do a complete recap of this post for those (2) that apparently dont' see where being an ass is being an ass. Humor me if this seems unnecessary or redundant, apparently Dan is still a lil confused on why people don't all worship the throne he sits on.........here goes........

QUOTE]Originally posted by liv4fam
What does everybody think of THX for the Home.[/QUOTE]

Originally posted by mantis
Any comments about THX?any insight why it is a good thing or a bad thing?

This started on a good note. Dan, you didn't ask for research papers on this. You asked for comments. Your fellow antagonistic friend later offered up this blundering of intelligent babbling....

Originally posted by liv4fam
Way to "Get your cheap on guys" :o

Boring.

(insert idiotic story about rat shack visit here)

So I had to ask him "Are you from the Polk forum?"
Because you are just about confused as the people in there.:lol:

That's when I thought about offering the F bomb........

Originally posted by mantis
Gee wasn't this post about THX.I see no one has anything intelligent to say about it. Liv4fam enjoys the benifits of THX,I see nobody else does.

This post wasn't about whether or not Liv enjoys his THX receiver. It was about what people thought about the concept and practicality of the technology. People gave their opinions and you respond with people have nothing intelligent to say. (This was another F-you moment)

Originally posted by mantis
TroyD,
Dude I didn't bash your Home Theater gear.Show me where and I will apologize

Here ya go.......
Originally posted by mantis
TroyD,
what the eff do you care anyway.You put NO time or effort into Home Theater.So why talk about it.You still haven't gottten any Informationon how it's benifical to the average dude???what the eff is an average dude?You?whatever man.Is there any reason you post on this?You could care less about THX or home theater.If you had any understanding of THX,you could see some benefits of any effin home theater.Do you post just to keep the numbers up?You add nothing to the post so why don't you leave it alone,go hang out in the 2 channel.

I'm sure you're not gonna try to save face by saying you didn't understand that he was trying to ask for information earlier in this thread. Just because someones not AS into HT as you are, doesn't mean that they aren't. One would think that you'd know that. I imagine that you probably think that the people that you install for are "True" HT enthusiasts, but they most likely know far less than a lot of the people in here that have done it for themselves.

Originally posted by mantis
(to Frank) I would love to come over and tweak your room.Not to insult your setup, but just to try and help you get the most of your very nice system.

I can't speak for Frank, but I'd personally be offended by this comment. In case you can't understand why, it's because your implication is that he in some way needs your help, and also that his setup should be tuned/tweeked to YOUR ears, not his. I'd give ya an F-off just for that personally.

Originally posted by mantis
Let me take a minute of your time and explain this topic.Liv4fam owns his first THX processor in the B&K avr307.He loves to death what it does for the problems he was having in his room.

Just because he gets a THX receiver doesn't mean that we're all gonna jump up and down with joy for him. Congrats that he feels it's necessary. Are we automatically wrong when we don't share his feelings on the topic? Apparently so......

Originally posted by mantis
......it's the way you said it.
This is EXACTLY why people respond to you and Liv the way that we/they do. You guys have information, and that's great, but you put it to people so fuckin irritatingly that it's offputting. Learn from it and be tactful in the way you give information. If you in the same breath talk to us like we're idiots, then personally, I couldn't give a damn as to what you have to say.

Originally posted by liv4fam
...I learned that I am not an AVERAGE HT guy (thanks troy) and demand a little more performance than the next guy.

Dick......

Originally posted by liv4fam
I don't post in here to tell you guys what to do or think.

You tell us ALL the time what to think.....

Originally posted by liv4fam
I never thought that by coming into (cc) a POLK forum is where I would be outclassed by such Knowledgeable individuals. If I knew this was where all the A/V masters and geniuses hung out I would came in here a long time ago to learn everything.

Fuck you....

Originally posted by liv4fam
I am not going to post in here anymore because personally it's a waste of my time and I need to talk to people that actually LOVE there gear.

There is a God......

Originally posted by liv4fam
So to all polk members.

Good Luck on your systems and "May the Rat Shack be with you":p

Fuck you......


I'll end this beause it's WAY too long in the first place. I'll try to refrain from posting anything else in this thread.......

[phuz]

Good on ya brett. I'll second that.

[RuSsMaN]

I concur.

(middle finger in the air)

Cheers,
Russ

[mantis]

brettw22,
so where did I bash Troys gear?what I wrote says nothing of the sort.Troy and I had a Im moment and we talked about HT and 2 channel.Troy likes theater but loves 2 channel.Our conversation was between us,not you.I just don't understand why he wants to continue to post on something he puts no stock in,not just theater but THX.But he keeps repling about it.Again between Troy and myself.Please allow us to work out the differences.


Gee wasn't this post about THX.I see no one has anything intelligent to say about it. Liv4fam enjoys the benifits of THX,I see nobody else does.
taking that out of content looks like butthole stuff.The theads always get off topic,it's a natural thing around here.thats just what happens.
Just because he gets a THX receiver doesn't mean that we're all gonna jump up and down with joy for him. Congrats that he feels it's necessary. Are we automatically wrong when we don't share his feelings on the topic? Apparently so......
nobodies wrong dude,we like THX and nobody else in this forum does.Thats ok by me.It's a topic in audio that we like to talk about.Liv4fam and myself are going to the ranch as soon as the work flow slows and we get time to go.This is one of my personal dreams to be trained by what I feel is the best in our bussiness.Not to mention it makes me more of a value to my company as well as any other I work for in the future.We just don't care for comments like get a marker and your THX.Sometimes I don't feel people fully understand what THX is by the comments that people post.But thats ok,I don't fully understand THX,one of the reasons why I'm so juiced to go to the ranch and be trained on THX.
I can't speak for Frank, but I'd personally be offended by this comment. In case you can't understand why, it's because your implication is that he in some way needs your help, and also that his setup should be tuned/tweeked to YOUR ears, not his. I'd give ya an F-off just for that personally.
let me clear this.Franks theater is very nice but if you saw pic's of it, he has a couch in front of the left speaker.His mains are far apart and I feel I could help him out.His theater probably sounds fantastic,I enjoy helping anyone with there theater to tweak it.Thats what I do.If you take offence to that,I'm sorry no offence intended.I'm building a new theater in the basement of my new house,I'll take any help I can get.I wanna make it as close to perfect as I can.I have redesigned it alot of times.Again thats between Frank and myself.I don't wanna battle with Frank,he now could care less what I say or do so he probably won't even read it.Just my way of saying truce.
Look dude we can go at this all night long.I personally would like to end it here.I will admit I have poor delivery.The way your looking at what I have said I understand what your saying.I mean well unless it's a pissing match ,and you know where they go......nowhere.If I offend you or anyone from now on,just say so I don't mind explaining what I mean.Just like the wanting to help Frank out with his theater.I never meant he's a smack and need me to do it for him.Have you ever kicked around Ideas with other about your theater setup?placement?It's a fun way to hang out and learn from one another.Getting together and playing with gear and placement of gear is fun.I got alot of tricks and if any of them can benefit anyone,I'm happy to do so.I also like people to share tricks with me,I'm always looking for a new way/idea.If you got any share man.I thought that this was the idea with a forum like this anyway.
Look dude I said my peace..........I'm not in the mood for fuck you and your a butthole and all that shit.Can we shake hands/call a truce/say what bothers us and move on???I'd like that.

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

I think that raps it up, Move out now...The Battle of the Quotes is over - Back on Subject: What do ya'll think of THX?

[TheGrayGhost]

”This is getting interesting. I think a call to Tweeter might be in order.”

Have they actually claimed to work for Tweeter?

If they do work for Tweeter’s they are probably not much more than truck driver / boxcutter.

The professional Design and Installation Company is Custom Audio & Video Environments (www.atlcave.com) which is a division of HiFi Buys (a Tweeter company).

Employees of CAVE are CEDIA certified as well as state licensed.

With the professional reputation of CAVE, I can’t imagine either of “you know who” working for them in a professional capacity.

But, on the other hard, you guys know what they really are and don’t need me to make the point.

[F1nut]

Originally posted by liv4fam



I am not going to post in here anymore because personally it's a waste of my time and I need to talk to people that actually LOVE there gear.



Of all the stupid comments you've made, this one takes the cake.

When it comes down to it, a man has nothing but his word...prove to us that you are a man and keep your word, stay away!

[brettw22]

I'll reply to your questions Mantis, and then I'm done with this thread. For you to say that someone puts "NO time or effort into Home Theater" IS bashing on his gear, be it intended as directly or indirectly. To tell someone that there's no effort, when CLEARLY he has a complete set-up is insulting. His passion may not be HT and instead be 2 channel, but to tell him that because he's not 100% HT that he makes no effort is uncalled for. If you two had a conversation that didn't involve anyone else, then I would imagine that I wouldn't see it in the public forum that we're all here posting on. Quite the opposite has been true. We see rants all the time, and I'm not saying only from one side to another, but regardless, it's a public forum where, as has been demonstrated, if you piss on someone for their gear or their attitude, then others can(and have) gotten involved and reacted to what has been perceived as an uppity or better than thou attitude that is relentless in both you and Liv's posts.

You said "no one has anything intelligent to say." That's not out of context for anything. Surely you can't believe that everyone is going to take that kind of insult and not react to it. Regardless of the topic, that's an INSULT!!!!!

My comment about us being "wrong" since we don't share either yourself or Liv's thoughts about THX isn't so much that you've said "YOU'RE WRONG" as much as it's the attitude that is repeatedly given off in MANY posts about people not accpeting what you and him deem to be worthy of everyone's attention and pocketbook. If people don't want THX, SO WHAT?!?!?!?! If you guys left it as everyone indicating pros and cons as to what they believe, then we wouldn't be constantly battling about how amazingly arrogant you guys are about other people and their gear. I don't believe that ANYONE was serious about saying take a marker and make your gear THX. There are a LOT of people, other audio installers included, that don't feel that THX is worth the money that is charged. Most people don't have the desire to shell out an extra grand+ because of something that, in the grand scheme of things, isn't going to help them based on their room set-ups etcetera.

I don't feel the need to defend Frank, as he's perfectly capable, but if Frank has a couch in front of one of his speakers, it's because he WANTS it there. It may not be ideal for yourself or someone else, but if Frank had a problem with his couch being where it was, then I'm sure that he'd do something about it. Constructive criticism is something that people offer and get a lot on this forum, and that's a good thing. But when you imply that someones rig should be adjusted because YOU feel that it should be, you overstep a line that isn't yours to cross. It would be a TOTALLY different story if he had posted pics and said Dan, what do you think I should do to make my set-up better. If someone's point blank asking you how to tweak their system, then there's your green light.

A LOT of the problems that happen between people here aren't based on anything AUDIO related at all. It's from a subtle, and sometimes not so subtle attitude that you guys throw in peoples faces about what they have to say. One thing that I REALLY hate to see in your posts Dan is that "I know, do you" crap. I mean, I could read a post and learn something, but to see that at the end ultimately is telling me that I'm a dumbass, and THAT I take issue with.

I'm game for moving on, but we've all done this in the past and nothing has changed. There have been, and will continue to be pissing matches about stuff, but if we can leave it to topic related without the antagonistic attitudes (from everyone) then it'll all be good. I'm not asking for a boring fact only board. Have all the fun you want, but don't act like we're all subservient to you and Liv because you guys do this as a career, and most here do it as a hobby.

Nite.................