Surround Speaker Placement

[wolves10]

I've recently finished everything for the audio part of my home entertainment centre. . . I've been buying things seperately... and even made my surround speakers. Despite what lots of people say about making their own speakers, they sound really really good. They have 10" 250w pyramid originals, 40-25k HZ, and the tweeters are your radioshack special.

Now my question.. i've read that rear surround speakers should be placed at ear level, pointed TOWARDs the listener.. the speakers are pretty large and heavy though.. (about 2 1/2 feet tall) well, there not huge but I havent seen stands or anything for these type of speakers

im not sure where i should place them.. should i make a type of cabinet that they can sit on. (easy enough. . . carpentry is a hobby) or tilt them up towards the listener.. im not sure what to do.. if anyone doesnt know what im talking about.. which im sure you dont.. ill post some pics of my problem if you need them..

CSi30
4 custom 10" surround speakers
panasonic SB-WA100
panasonic SA-HE70 Reciever

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

if your a carpenter, id recomend, build two identical shelves, put them directly behind u or directly beside u

[wolves10]

ok.
that i can do, but once they are on the cabinet thing, which direction should they be aimed?
(they would have to be directly beside me..room isnt big enough to have anything behind the couch)

...should they be blasting right towards me, or towards the front of the room.. i've actually seen both of these ways done in friend's home theatres but i'm not sure which way to actually do it.
thanks

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

im telling ya, just put them on the side walls - or u could try infront of u...before u put the shelves up, place the speaker on various spots on the wall to see which sounds best to u..

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

I use to have my surrounds in front, if u have a small room - u wont notice the difference

ohh yeah, welcome to the forum, beware its addictive

[wolves10]

oh theres plenty of room to place the speakers on either side of the couch... they dont need to be in front of me..
is that what you mean?
you still havent really answered which way the speaker should be pointed.. oh.. see what sounds best..
hmm.. what direction are the speakers (rear surrounds) aimed in the majority of home theatres? like towards the tv, straight forward, or straight toward the listener

and mount them on the walls? hmm i dont think that will work. i was thinking more along the lines of making an actual cabinet thing.. like a stand.. yeah.. a stand :S

thanks for the welcome. . . and yeah i can see how i just might be here often.
thanks for your responses too :D

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

- oh theres plenty of room to place the speakers on either side of the couch... they dont need to be in front of me..
is that what you mean?
you still havent really answered which way the speaker should be pointed.. oh.. see what sounds best..
hmm.. what direction are the speakers (rear surrounds) aimed in the majority of home theatres? like towards the tv, straight forward, or straight toward the listener

and mount them on the walls? hmm i dont think that will work. i was thinking more along the lines of making an actual cabinet thing.. like a stand.. yeah.. a stand :S

thanks for the welcome. . . and yeah i can see how i just might be here often.
thanks for your responses too -

If you have plenty of room on each side of the room, build stands - and put them there..lol! Then if it dont sound right, slowly move them along the wall until u get them to sound right...(to your ears)
My surrounds, just fire towards the mains, but my room is so small - i wish i had them firing towards each other on the side walls...In other words, towards the front of the room or to the listener (whatever sounds better to you. yeah, this place is fun - lots of 'Wise' guys here..lmao! no problem

ohh yeah, to see how others have theirs setup, look at the system showcase for a couple of examples

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

http://www.alektra.com/room6.jpg
http://www.alektra.com/room7.jpg

mine are mounted to the ceiling, i like the sound better than ear level because the sound is above u and it really makes it all sound around u, above u and so on

[Frank Z]

The surround speakers (either Side or Rear) should NOT be pointed directly at the listening position. Keep in mind that sound from the surround speakers are basically for effects and ambience. Try WWW.Dolby.com for more info or even this link;

http://www.polkaudio.com/home/faqad/advice.php?article=placement

A neat little trick is to use a couple of 6' step ladders as temporary stands and try different locations to see which sound best to you.

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

listen to the old guy, i agree -- all the way wit em, hey mid fart, so your saying it bad to tie a string to each top of your speaker, hang them from ur head and let the drivers fire into ur ears? DANG! i knew that was a bad idea....well id say this, just skip all the ear level crap - and mount them suckers on the top of the wall and get it over with..lol! their out of everyone's way and they make ur entire soundstage sound really effin weird

[Frank Z]

Sid,
Don't forget your amazing "Belt-o-Subs" and your back pack mounted "Wall of Amps" for that real 3D effect!

Don't make me get the Stun Gun again!!

I'm warning ya!!!

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

LOL! belt-of-subs....lmao! I decided not to do that...;), but i might buy me another M&K later on down the road...

Wall-Of-Amps...well dang, i done purchased one, I got 2 more to go....lol!

******PLZ NOT THE STUN GUN*********! I PROMISE TO BE GOOD! LOL!

To go ahead and tell ya my future purchases.....
2- 2 channel adcom amps
Xbox
3 controllers
games
yeah yeah

[wolves10]

thanks guys for all your help.. but as much as i would want to mount these on the wall above everything.. there pretty big... i think ill go with the front firing placement.. towards the front spkrs.

hmm... just another question that comes to mind. how much of a difference would it make if these speakers were on stands, at ear level.. or just sitting on the ground... not at ear level... is it really noticable? like.. worth building stands to get these things off the ground a bit? thanks

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

it'll sound like s***! lol, the bass will over power the speakers, and treble will be flat - from what I have heard with other speakers

[wolves10]

hmm thats no good. heh.. i guess i need them stands...
oh and i've been reading up on www.dolby.com and.. from the little pictures it looks like the speakers are aimed directly at the listener.. heres a few examples
http://dolby.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/dolby.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_sid=x6jNgXxg&p_lva=&p_faqid=135&p_created=1013441850&p_sp=cF9ncmlkc29ydD0mcF9yb3dfY250PTcxJnBfcGFnZT0x&p_li=

(look at the pictures at the bottom)

--and yeah i cant find any more little pictures.. :D
im now pretty confused..
aimed towards the listener?
aimed toward the ceiling?
aimed toward the floor?
aimed toward the tv?
aimed toward the back of the room?
aimed toward the window?
aimed toward the cat?
aimed toward the stain in the carpet?
aimed toward the centre of the room?

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D that was fun
but still.. where should these rear surrounds be aimed (on a stand which yet have to be made).. ear level... bleh.
thanks

[scottvamp]

wolves10, I try not to damge people - much. But your $150 Panasonic reciever won't "move" those 10" 250w pyramid originals which are probably 4 ohm anyway. The distortion and actual power on the rear channels of that reciever would make a bose cube sound even worse. Sorry but huge waste of money man. You say u made 4 of these things, are you using the other two as mains? Honestly I am not being mean just want to HELP.
A very cheap set of satillite spreakers would have done a fine job for ya. Hope you are not compinsating for lack of bass responce because a better sub would have fixed that problem. Anyway - hope ya find what your looking for.

[scottvamp]

MxStYlEpOlKmAn, that sure is a cute little bedroom. Hey did Mom decorate your room for ya? Very Manly!!

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

the wall-paper was picked out by me.....7 years ago! the posters and junk were picked out by me.....if u want to take the wallpaper down, then reconnect my shelves, then all my posters back up (before u do all that repaint my room), be my guest, and go right ahead and brake a leg!
http://www.alektra.com/room.jpg
http://www.alektra.com/room3.jpg
http://www.alektra.com/room5.jpg
ight, theres the rest of my room....well most of it....HAHAHAH

[wolves10]

first of all making these speakers was damn cheap.. had all the materials already.. someone gave me the speakers and stuff, all i needed to do was make them and put it all together...

i thought the same thing your thinkin right now, but thought i didnt have much to loose, so i made them, and bought the reciever.. they sounded pretty damn nice and i impressed myself a LOT.. so anyway, i invested in the subwoofer.. which btw, is a 200w dual 5 1/2"
twas 299$.. also sounds really good.. i mean.. it shakes my house..

and about "not moving" the pyramids.. i ripped the suspension in my 150w pyramid (the rears are 150, but they can go lower than the mains) im lucky i had a spare.. (that was an accident btw, turned on music while reciever was at 0db)

and right now, when i turn it up.. i should send you a movie on how much they "dont move"...
either you have an explanation for this, or you think im lying.. but either way ive gotten good out of my money.. havent noticed any problems or anything

oh, and when ive got it cranked up.. theres little to no distortion

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

yeah, thats what my subwoofer said....

[wolves10]

???
that was weird,,,, MxStYlEpOlKmAn

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

old fart over there is mixed up - if u have a 7.1 setup, u want di/bi-pole on the sides, and regular speakers in the back - but u want the surrounds, in my opinion firing at you if they were ear level, then calibrate it where u dont hear it as much! but I just skipped all that junk, and hung them on the wall! lol! Just build stands, then connect the stands on the walls (make sure there is a 1/4 inch strip higher than the floor of the stand so the speaker dosnt vibrate off) and hang it at the ceiling, im telling ya - it'll skip all the confusion and frustration..

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

Originally posted by wolves10
???
that was weird,,,, MxStYlEpOlKmAn

my subwoofer sounded fine, no distortion - then it blew...sad story, cost me 82.50...

[wolves10]

haha i see...
well.. mine doesnt sound fine it sounds great :P
but yeah thats weird.. did you have it cranked up to a crazy volume or anything?
ok.. ill do that then will have to make some stands or something..

82.50? hmm well this sub was 299 USD which makes it like 500CND maybe theres a difference there

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

speaking of shelves, i got to get a equipment rack made for my adcom....i have NO where to put it....unless it'll fit on my current shelf.....BACK TO THE DRAWING board

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

my sub is an M&K, i had it half way in volume, -33.00 on receiver playing good ol eminem, and his POS recording FINALLY kicked in

my subwoofer is also 14 years old...

[wolves10]

oh.. just reading at
http://www.polkaudio.com/home/faqad/advice.php?article=placement

looks like you were right.. preferably have speakers mounted on the walls, aimed directly towards eachother, over the listeners heads.. well, i cant mount on the walls, and i dont think im willing to make a stand 4-5-6 ft high.. so i guess ear level, or just above will do....

[wolves10]

yeah.. i dont have a TV for this audio setup yet, but when i do i dont think the stand that comes with the tv im looking at will be big enough to house all my audio equiptment.. here comes another project...

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

lol, i really need sleep -- If your really desperate, order wall mounts, that can hold the weight of ur speakers...newayz im bored -- and speaking of a board, i just got back from the drawing board, and heres what i came up with....

well dang, i just noticed i messed up on some angles..

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

i designed a home theatre/desk unit -- cut the desk off and the HT center is huge, add shelves to the sides...and top...etc

[wolves10]

oh and heres a picture of my speakers...
the red, smaller ones are my rear speakers

red suspension 150 w - woofer 30hz - 4khz
dome tweeters.. im really not sure what these are, when i had them given to me, no box, nothing.. all i know is that they've stood up pretty well at high volumes for clarity and stuff

purple suspension 250w - woofer 50hz - 4khz
tweeters 4khz - 20khz (i think.. no box but it says on the back of the tweeter.. haven't seen it in a while.. its around there somewhere)

subwoofer
200W Active 20hz - 200hz

centre
CSi30 look at polkaudio.com if interested

--seems like a pretty mixed and matched setup.. but thats becasue i got the drivers and crossovers for the surrounds for free.. so i constructed the cases themselves with some wood lying around

tell me what you think
p.s i whited out the background so you couldnt see my wall paper :D:P > MxStYlEpOlKmAn

[wolves10]

aaaaaah that picture was HUGE!!!! sorry

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

here we go...
those look like jensen cabs, and jensen drivers

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

hey im 13 -- cant do much to my own room, and since i wont be living here my whole life..WHO CARES?

[wolves10]

i like those layouts.. considdering i cant draw.. at all.. even in paint.. i work from my mind.. lol..

im going to have to start thinking something up.. try to make something.. ill check how big the stands are for those new Wega TVs though
a little off topic.. but this is the TV im looking at..
its not what i want, but its all i can afford..
this it it here
http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=65e_PL9t612_BIFjSJG1N_BhRJOn2DMxg5k=?Cat alogCategoryID=&ProductID=4_8KC0%2eNKggAAADyYNk8lSwe&Dept=tv
you can see the stand on the right frame

[wolves10]

yeah.. nice nice..
i actually dont have any wall paper behind those speakers, but come to think of it.. i really wouldnt mind some little basketball players..

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

haha, take mine -- I draw for a hobby when im bored..let me see what i got on my computer...here is some speaker shelves...
lol -- i dont build em, dont have the tools, but i design em, and i definetely dont no crap about staining junk "stain it to make it shiney" lol

[wolves10]

jenson cabs and drivers eh? really.. when i made them i wasnt really following any templates.. just following the basic guidelines (what guidelines) of an oversized bookshelf speaker.

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

well as long as they dont sound like jensen, ur doing good...

i have a 25 inch tv on mine...works fine - has atleast another 10 inches to spair or so....

[wolves10]

hmm i see.. you ever followed your plans and built anything? prolly wouldnt be half bad.
and nice spelling..
im also going to have to think up somthing for these stands.. what you recomend for those speakers (the ones with red woofers)

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

here is my entertainment center that i designed - built by a friend

the left door isnt attached, my dad hasnt put it on yet..

[wolves10]

..never heard jensen
but from what i've heard.. pyramid certainly isnt a top of the line speaker.. whats your opionion on them? ever used any?

[wolves10]

i see.. i cant really see too much from that picture but it looks pretty ok.

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

here is the other side - desk...and the shelf i designed to go on the wall...
http://www.alektra.com/room.jpg

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

never heard pyr. but i have heard jensen, too much bass, flat mids, no highs - sounds like s*** in a box

[wolves10]

oh yeah.. i see.. all one piece i saw that drawing a bit earlier.. thats really neat.. your room must be a pretty decent size for all that..

[wolves10]

yeah.. i had sort of the same problem with my pyramids.. not as bad as you make it seem though.. but anyway thank god for my adjustible crossover in the case.

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

nope, 11 by 11 - 6 by 6 walking space, the desk is there to stay until i move out and have to move it - it weighs around 200 pounds, and stretches 6 feet across the wall, and 3.5 feet the other way...its big

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

yeah i almost bought a pair of jensen speakers to just have a speaker to play loud and not care how it sounded or if it blew....lol! they had HUGE speakers for only 130 a pair

[wolves10]

yeah thats big..
i hate your mouse, btw..
do you have 5.1 in there?or what..

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

5.1, 7.1 if i overdrive my amps, i love my mouse - best i have ever had, no problems and its really easy to operate after i get use to it...my subwoofer is....
if i were to move my surrounds to the front again, id have a wall of sound

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

center channel is....

[wolves10]

i see.. just by the looks of it in a couple of those pics.. couldnt really tell what was going on

[wolves10]

aha.. i seee now

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

lol - if i had a camera that was a Pameramic, id take the entire front and back soundstage and just skip the multi pics

[F1nut]

Go to bed!

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

no skool - no sleep, besides i gotta put my room back together after destroying everything, i had TO TAKE EVERYTHING DOWN! move my KLH's and then move my polks unplug them, take the connectors off and restrip the wire and plug em back up!!!!!!!

[wolves10]

sleep? whats that

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

Originally posted by wolves10
sleep? whats that

amen broda, amen! Quote: Sleep when your dead. :UnQuote

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

if i were u, id build some good high quality speaker shelves, and go from there....

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

and speaking of building speakers
i designed a pair of speakers that are ver unique, i wont say why...but they just are...lol

[wolves10]

yeah.. im going to have to build something...
how high you suggest i build it??
then with the front channels.. i think ill just get some nice black rubber doorstops and aim them up a little bit..

[wolves10]

yeah.. those look actually pretty nice.. if you could get that off the drawing board.... hmmmmm

mine are just pretty simple.. i didnt really know how long to make my port though... right now its around 4-5 inches back

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

id just build em, then get someone to hold them up for u...sit down in the listening area, and tell them to keep highering/lowering them till the sound suits u....

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

well the speaker i designed, i picked out every thing itd need, i have everything itd need down in my computer drivers, components, pieces -etc...the only thing that seperates it from the rest is the fact that the speaker is technically split in half, it has two crossovers - and it would take a 4 channel amp to run a pair...lol

[wolves10]

yeah thats a pretty ok idea.. but right now my rears dont really have that much volume coming out of them.. im just using pro logic with the pc hooked up to the reciever

[F1nut]

SiD,

You might think about going to work for Polk......when you're old enough. Interesting speaker design!

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

run 5 channel stereo when listening to see which is better for u...thats what i'd suggest

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

thank ya f1!
i would explain the entire design...but sure...*that would take ALLLLLLLL the fun out of it....*

[wolves10]

yeah...i was thinking that too
yeah.. and you should work for polk.. certainly is interesting..

when i do this though what should i mostly be looking for in the sound..
just clarity, and balance with the other speakers? or what.

[F1nut]

Build them and see what you think, then tell us. I'd like to know.

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

actually run it in pro logic -- if u hear the surrounds more than the mains, THEIR toooooooooooooooooo loud...turn the surrounds down, try again. If they blend, u hit the jack pot

[F1nut]

Seamless blend is what you're looking for.

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

can i have 800 dollars f1? thats how much itd cost with mid class drivers, when i become a millionare, ill build them with vifa tweeters, focal drivers, and some reallllllll good crossovers, the design in it self is weird, but awesome - it'll get rid of everyone's WAT issues...

[wolves10]

oh for sure.. right now.. i dont even notice the surrounds are there.. but polk says.. you dont WANT the rears to attract ANY attention to themselves as to being producers of sound

[F1nut]

SiD,

Sure thing, but I get 51% of the company.

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

lol, f1.....
sounds good wolf

[wolves10]

sigh.

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

49%, that way u cant sale it to some other mofo....and leave me broke!!!!!:lol:

[F1nut]

Good night guys, see ya tomorrow.

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

when u have ur surrounds, u should be able to hear them - just not NOTICE THEM, like they shouldnt attract ne of ur attention to them, they should blend perfect

[F1nut]

I won't do that to you!

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

c ya lata f1 - i hope u have terrible dreams, that haunt u for forever ;)

[wolves10]

cya F1

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

Originally posted by F1nut
I won't do that to you!

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[F1nut]

No, No! You've got me mixed up with Frank Z. Now be nice, damn it.

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

haaaaaaaaa, i got alot to do tonight - clean room, fix my dad's website, fittle around with that speaker design, change this - change that...muahahha, no sleep is in my plans...

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

lol...ohhhhhhhh yeah!!!!!!! ur f1...not old fart :rolleyes: i might, how about 50%?

[F1nut]

F1nut.....out

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

when were u in????????? :lol:
c ya lata
JK!

[wolves10]

what website?

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

www.alektra.com , i run it for my dad

[wolves10]

ok
well.
i think you should stick to speakers
while i stick to web design
www.apogeetek.com

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

lol, i run an average website..lol
now, if i were getting paid, id make it a flash website....now that'd be rockin

[wolves10]

what did you make it with

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

geocities

[wolves10]

oh wow
that might explain it
go get yourself a copy of dreamweaver.. at least.. if your running a company site like that

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

lol, small business, small town, small site...lol! It works....but ill look into it, let me put it this way tho, i taught myself how to build websites, so u know...
searching on kazaa....
found and being downloaded as we speak...muahahha

[wolves10]

haha ive got it around somewhere
yeah
still a company is it not thats what i meant

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

yep, its a company -strongest building/saleing houses company around here right now, we sale em as fast as we build em...

[wolves10]

yeah.
might be a little complicated at first.. but try it
your going to have to redo a good part of the site but it will be worth it

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

2 minutes till download complete

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

will look into it...
download complete
ty for the recomendation

[wolves10]

yeah np hopefully works good.. pretty 'vanced prgm

[scottvamp]

wolves10, you and the 13 year old Mxst need to get a room or call eachother. Makes me wonder how old u are?????
I was trying to help u out. Believe me that little reciever you have is putting out a distorted wattage. Look at the (thd) on the rear channels. I bet it is a least 1%. And if you are blowing 10" surround speakers. You have a huge problem. First of all your reciever is not capable of that and second if it was your ears would be bleeding. You sound as silly as the 13 year old. Many of us have good knowledge on this forum and some serious Polk sound. Don't belittle yourself. Ya I looked up your subwoofer and it wasn't worth bagging on you again. You paid way to much for two Panny 5' woofers ($300). That is embarrassing man. Polk forum - think about it. You want to see my sub - OK
Buy some Polks and get your knowledge on.

[wolves10]

whatever it doesnt matter what you say because when it comes down to it... all that matters is how it sounds.
and you can't just judge them by what i say. espescially if you've never heard them
i didnt blow the rears i blew the fronts. thats when they were the 150ws blah
no i didnt want to see your sub
and youd be glad to know i paid 99$ canadian for the sub.

[scottvamp]

Canadian's usually pay more for audio equipment. Sooo that sub in the USA went for $50 - sweet buy - . I not judgeing - it is just common sence. So all you have is a Polk center that is with four ratshack project speakers. OK - Very Nice.:rolleyes:

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

people on this forum have alot of problems with people under 14 for some reason...do u think everyone under 14 is stupid or something?

[wolves10]

yeah no kiddin age doesnt matter... theres some incredible geniuses out there. look at gauss he discovered that math thing and he was only 6

scottvamp you really shouldnt talk so much stuff about things you dont know about
heres the reason it was 99 dollars
http://www.futureshop.com/ accidently marked the price too low.. my freind told me about it, he got an MD player for 70 bucks.. a whole lot of items were marked down accidently and my sub happened to be one of them
plus you saw yourself.. 299 USD

-thats their thing.. they will give you the price that they mark. so i printed it out and went to buy it.
i dont see why you think just becasue somethings cheap that its junk it really isnt true..
having said that.. im not saying there isnt junk out there..

[Frank Z]

people on this forum have alot of problems with people under 14 for some reason

Hey now! let's not get on that dead horse again...I'm tellin' ya I'll get the stun gun out.

Next thing ya know this guy is gonna say that the other guy said this about that and that ain't what was said cuz what he meant was something that was different but nobody took the time to read it right so the other guy showes up and piss in your ear and tries to tell ya thats it raining, but the suns out so you know that he's full of crap, meanwhile Micah's gettin all pissed cuz of the nude pictures of him are shown up on the forum....It just gets worse from here...really!

[wolves10]

lol
nice Frank Z

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

lol......Ol' Frank

i dont think i am the only person that thinks this...but the psw1200 or whatever has got to be one of the ugliest subs i have seen, now whether it sounds good or not...i dunno

[wolves10]

i agree with you there, MxStYlEpOlKmAn

[scottvamp]

i dont think i am the only person that thinks this...but the psw1200 or whatever has got to be one of the ugliest subs i have seen, now whether it sounds good or not...i dunno

Mx, this is what I am talking about, u are making an ass out of yourself. I do not have a problem with your age - its your maturity man. The 1200 is the mother of all Polk subs. As for looks - you got to be kidding man. Uglyest sub u ever seem.
Grow up.

Wolves10, You must be a child also but if not prove me wrong by being mature. My explanation had nothing to do with the freaking price man. It is a pathetic Panny sub with 5" drivers. This is what is used in "plug and go" systems. Once again this is a POLK forum. Get it.

[wolves10]

um
i must have overlooked the rule where it says im only allowed to talk about polk products.
what reciever do you use?
not polk audio? oh.. goodness.. maybe you should get one of them.
oh my, they dont make recievers.
looks like you should stop belittling yourself
and, i like my sub.. sounds good and its 5 1/2" actually..

i dont even understand why you would want a sub of that magnitude.. i mean really.. when was the last time you cranked it up..
if you listen to music with that thing cranked, you've got issues.. becasue when i crank my 'pathetic panny sub' it ruins the song
NOT BECASUE it sounds bad, becasue theres too much bass.

[scottvamp]

WOW!!!!
You made alot of progress.
Hey, I can give you some other HT forums were u can make an ASS out of yourself also..!!!

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

Originally posted by scottvamp
Mx, this is what I am talking about, u are making an ass out of yourself. I do not have a problem with your age - its your maturity man. The 1200 is the mother of all Polk subs. As for looks - you got to be kidding man. Uglyest sub u ever seem.
Grow up.
So u are saying, im being a @$$ because i told u what i thought? ok my maturity huh, well i dont call people an @$$ for spreading opinions, now do i?

[wolves10]

yeah is that your solution for everything
calling people asses
you remind me of a lot of people i know: just becasue they have it, they automatically think its the best of everything
::my speaker is better than your toaster!!!

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

Originally posted by scottvamp


Mx, this is what I am talking about, u are making an ass out of yourself. I do not have a problem with your age - its your maturity man. The 1200 is the mother of all Polk subs. As for looks - you got to be kidding man. Uglyest sub u ever seem.
Grow up.

I have one thing to say about that, if u have reguards to how i post, and act - simple as 1-2-3, DONT READ THEM! i never seemed ne sub, i think the PSW1200 is a nice lookin sub, the thing that i think makes it look ugly is the HUGE bottum firing power port, too big - makes it look like oversized piece of furniture with 5 inch stands attached to the bottum...but this is my opinion, and if im an @$$ for it.....then so be it

ohh yeah, what does what i think a sub looks like have to do with my maturity??????????????????

[wolves10]

scottvamp, if your so mature why dont you stop this petty little argument?
oh ok.. leave it to the 13 year old right?
sheesh

[scottvamp]

I know your parents put parental blocks on your computers, so what else is there to do???????

Notice how noone else is wasting there time with u two - ya there is a reason for that. Get it yet.
I tryed to help both u guys out - give u some "knowledge" and so u can't accept that. You have to prove me right by acting childish.
Respect guys - RESPECT. You don't just jump on a good forum like this and "trash it". Period!!!!!

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

Originally posted by scottvamp
I know your parents put parental blocks on your computers, so what else is there to do???????

Notice how noone else is wasting there time with u two - ya there is a reason for that. Get it yet.
I tryed to help both u guys out - give u some "knowledge" and so u can't accept that. You have to prove me right by acting childish.
Respect guys - RESPECT. You don't just jump on a good forum like this and "trash it". Period!!!!!

First off, i have my own computer - second off, i setted it up, and i passworded it off from other family members and whoever else
second off, if yall dont want me here - say the word, ill be gone - 1, 2, 3 no problem - respect, first off on that subject, if u had respect u'd no thats people are entitled to their opinions, and u RESPECT other OPINIONS from OTHER people! U show little respect to neone from what i read from ur sarcastic/dumb remarks in ur post - if u dont want to read my post, dont

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

so w/e - im gone........adios
MX - out
vamp, ya happy? thats cool, all i could ever want :lol:

[scottvamp]

Hey, keep digging.
Try to reverse the tables like your Mommy does. People who read my post and read your know whats up.

[wolves10]

...i think im just going to stop reading/posting in this thread now...

[gidrah]

Wow! I hadn't read this thread until now as the answer to the original question is an easy one. Whatever sounds best for you given your speakers in your room with your likes and dislikes. When I first hung my rears I used paper clips and poked about a dozen holes on each side; whether side wall or rear, before I found what I liked. Ironically it was where I tried them first!

I have Polk speakers in my laptop computer. Even if I get rid of my mains (fat chance), this alone gives me as much right to be here as somebody that buys the current flagship for every room. So long as you have Polks and play nice you are welcome and encouraged to post on this forum.

wolves10:
I've been into audio equipment for around 20 yrs. My current favorite speaker is also a DIY with Radio Shack drivers. I applaud your effort and enthusiasm. Considering the size of these rears, I would try to put the behind you with a "strong" toe-in. The shelves are a very good idea if you have the room. Make sure to connect to studs and leave enough room so they are not flush/parallel with the back wall. Ear level is best if your room is big enough. If not, tilt them both in and down. I've done the doorstops. This may have already been covered in this thread. I read quick as I jumped to the last page first and wnated to quickly find out where things went crazy.

Welcome to the Forum!

Mxsty...(Sid):
Some day I'm going to ask you what drawing program you use. I like it and would be interested in something like this. I say someday as my Win95 POS is overtaxxed as it is. Good draws!

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

i use good ol windows paint, windows paint works very well, infact i like it better than both PSP and Adobe, it just is easier to work with...
PS to everyone: My name isnt Sid...lol! but thats my nickname -- no confusion there ;)

[wolves10]

thanks gidrah that was a REALLY helpful post!