Krell Components

[smglbrth]

Does anyone have any experience/opinions on Krell equipment? I'm not looking to upgrade right now, in the future, but I am looking at the KAV line, STEREO ONLY of course.
Their equipment looks pretty interesting, not to mention pricey. I have viewed this line and I was impressed by the looks, size, and oomph, if you will.
If anyone has any imput for this line or Krell itself I'd really appreciate it.
Thanks!!:cool:

[rlw]

Sure.

It would help if you had specific questions; in general, I have nothing but good things to say about Krell. Currently own 3 of their amps [KAV-150a, FPB200c, and FPB300c]. Since I'm selling the 200c, why don't you make me an offer?

I've listened pretty extensively to the KRC-3 and KAV-250p preamps.

Krell as a company is fantastic.

If you look on the web, you're going to read a bunch of posts that say "Krell is bright, grainy, and sucks. Made my ears bleed." This is a sure indication that the author never listened to Krell components in a properly setup system, if they listened at all.

Krell is the opposite of bright and grainy.

[smglbrth]

You are correct in your assumptions about the reviews.
I pretty much was just wondering about personal experience, how well they performed and if anyone really liked Krell. I don't personally know anyone who owns Krell equipment!
Thanks for the offer on the FPB 200c. I checked into that model and all I have to say is, WOW!!!!!!!!!!! I suppose it's weighs close to 100lbs!! I can't buy anything at this point in time like I said before, thanks for the offer though. My wife would probably be anything but happy about it, if you know what I mean! At least, right now.:D
Thanks for your imput!!

[rlw]

Ever since I had the Krell power amps in my systems, I stopped searching for other power amps, let's put it that way.

Sorry about the wife thing. When I initially decided to bi-amp, I asked my wife what she thought about me buying another amp, and mentioned that I was thinking about buying a Sunfire. I will love her to the grave for her reply:

"Sunfire just sounds cheesy. Why don't you buy another Krell?"


The only peculiar thing about Krell: they like lots of current, as in their own dedicated circuit. They perform *significantly* better if well-fed.

[TroyD]

I've read some of the same things about Krell, my demos with them have been very very nice.

It continues to amaze me how some folks, after a 15 or 20 minute demo on a completely unfamiliar rig can all of a sudden become instant experts on the relative merits of a particular product.

BDT

[mantis]

I gotta agree with r/w here,
Krell is as bold as this will sound.....The King of all amps.They don't have an equal.They stand alone.

Krell isn't for everyone,as always it's best to go listen,compare,and do a price to value ratio for your needs.
Krell has no limitations as to what it can drive.It drives ALL speakers to full potental.Ribbons static,whatever.
My opnion of Krell is short is the holly grail of purity,clarity,power,dynamic range.If you looked in my book of audio,Krell would define all in being the last word in sound quality.

I gotta ask what your planning on building with Krell?

[joe logston]

mantis i feel the same way about krell amps there the best of the best, some times there to good , because of the software and recording abnormalities the krell amp brings them out to the fullest, a lot of soft sounding tube amps cover the abnormalities up with distortion. tube & vinel go togetter well. as the software grts better the krell gets better.

[mantis]

WIth my time at Soundex,I got alot of experience with Krells products.I didn't care to carry or move them,but setting them up and listening was amazing everytime.They powered every speaker in the store to there full potential.I saw one of there massive power supplies,it looked like it could power a city block.
One cool thing I saw go was a Krell 600 for theater crap out an entire wing of a multi million dollar beach house.We where setting up a Theater with Krell and Wilson audio.Dude the dynamic power those amps have for theater is unreal.We where running EPI pod racer scene and I swore I spelled the fumes.The amp shut off the wing of the house.The home owner smiled and said that was the manlest thing he had ever seen.He had have the electrician come in and rework the fuse panel.

[rlw]

that the Krell amps aren't THX certified.

Seems like that would make them somehow inferior for home theater, doesn't it?

Oh, by the way: the last time you smelled pod fuel you posted about it here (http://clubpolk.polkaudio.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3969&highlight=krell) . Did the amps grow between telling, or have you really done that many ultra-theater installs that are non-THX certified?

:D

[smglbrth]

Uh oh...., boy did I open a whole can of worms here........

RLW - When I told my wife what your wife said about the "Sunfire" amp she smiled and said the same thing, but that didn't mean she was willing to budge, yet.......

Mantis - WOW....I've never exactly heard that kind of a "review" from someone about amplifiers before. "King of all amps, they have no equal". What would I build with this kind of amplification? Well....., from what you and RLW have described, pretty much anything I want to and drive anything I want to. Granted, if I have a 60 amp service just for amplification! :lol:

I know what everyone means about the "hearing everything" bit when it comes to power (and clean power at that). When I first got into separates I couldn't believe how terrible my older music sounded. I didn't remember it sounding that bad, but it was, and it is. Makes a whole world of difference when you get a decent recording, which is not too hard to find as long as you stick to Telarc and Chesky.

Thanks for all your input fellas. In the future, hopefully not that far off, Krell will be at the top of my list for a listen/purchase.

"Manly power", now that's what I've been missing..........:D

[rlw]

Originally posted by smglbrth
Uh oh...., boy did I open a whole can of worms here........

Granted, if I have a 60 amp service just for amplification!

That would probably be fine. Feed 'em well, and they'll treat you right.

Your wife sounds like a fine lady! I fully understand the "budge" thing. If I had my way, I'd be selling the 200c, buying another 300c and keeping the new sub in place...but now wasn't the time to push it...and there's no way you can sneak a Krell amp into your rack when she's not around!

[TroyD]

You know, I gotta think that if I was the customer and the installer pushed my gear to the point of causing damage, I doubt I would be a very happy customer. Just my thought.

BDT

[weavercr]

I owned a KSA 80 for many years. Great AMP. Even though it was only rated for 80 watts at 8 ohm, it doulbed in power all the way to 1 ohm. Had asboultly no problem driving the Dalhquist DQ-10s. I wish I could afford another one. It was a very neutral amp.

I agree with Mantis on moving it around since it weighted in at a whopping 85 lbs.

[joe logston]

i was going to buy a krell amp & pre-amp but just could not afford them , got aragon insted.

[rskarvan]

My Polk 3.1TL's are fed by a Krell KAV250A (with a KAV250P preamp).

The weak link in my system by far is the Polk SRS speakers.

Polk pulled me into mid-fi. Krell will pull me into Hi-Fi.
If only I could afford a set of Thiel 3.6's to match up with my Krell's.

I think you buy a lot with Krell.
Yes, it is expensive.
This is what you get:
1. Tremendous re-sale value. Buy used an you will never take a loss if you choose to sell.
2. Krell equipment just doesn't break - ever.
3. Very clean sound. Krell is known for their "bass-slam".
4. Everybody is right - Krell has no equal.
I spoke to the owner of odysseyaudio (Harry Kloss) and he even said that his equipment was no equal for Krell.

Krell utilizes a proprietary transistor design that Motorola builds for them. That is why they have no equal. The transisotrs are very powerful, fast, and accurate - setting a benchmark.

Krell's don't sound good. They just sound accurate. All you will hear in your system is the source material and the speakers. Krell's are - in one word - TRANSPARENT.

If you want a warm sound, buy a tube system.
If you want great imaging... buy sda.
If you want a powerful, clean, accurate amp... buy Krell.

[wangotango68]

ron you sound like a krell commercial.

scott:cool:

[rskarvan]

Ouch.... you are right.

But, the guy from odyssey audio did tip his hat out of respect for Krell. That was rather impressive.

Krell used is a great value though. They hardly depreciate at all once the used value is set. And, Krell used is as good as krell new.

[TroyD]

One might also say the same about, Levinson, Jeff Rowland, Bryston, Halcron and a myriad of other amp makers as well.

BDT

[smglbrth]

Ok Troy, I won't ignore you anymore.

Your comments have been, well, cordial, yet cool as well, temperature wise, toward Krell amplification.

Since I'm neutral on the subject of Krell, having had no prior experience with them, what do you think would make better amplification?

I get the feeling that the price is not justified in your mind but the quality is there. Maybe you feel that there are better options and values?

By the way, I couldn't agree with you more on blowing someone elses newly built electrical up, unless it was the customer who was running the volume control!! :lol: (No offense Mantis!!)

[TroyD]

No, I have nothing against Krell. My demos with them have been great. Of course, I feel pretty unqualified about talking about my rig, let alone gear that I've heard intermittently.

My point is that there are few people here with enough experience with that type of gear to make the statement (with any credibility) that any amp is the end all be all and those that do, I don't think would make such a statement.

BDT

[mantis]

OK..............
lets start here........shaw we,

that the Krell amps aren't THX certified
So what exactly is your point here r/w?The customer turned a 2 channel system into a home theater, then upgraded it.He already owned Krell.And yes it was the 300 not the 600,no it didn't grow my bad.Forgive me for not remembering the correct model number.The rest of the home theater amps where KAV class.Center and rears ran off of it.The 300 only powered the Wilson Watt puppies.
But THX and Krell?Yes Krell Home Theater Products are THX CERTIFIED.Inferior??BY whom??Me?I never said any of the sort.

Oh, by the way: the last time you smelled pod fuel you posted about it here . Did the amps grow between telling, or have you really done that many ultra-theater installs that are non-THX certified?
And your point is what?When I worked for Soundex,Krell theater was often.I felt my post could help explain the power needs of Krell amps.The guy had a single 20 amp circuit,it didn't hold.The breaker was of older design from what I remember.A split thing or something.I don't know.
TroyD as usual,

You know, I gotta think that if I was the customer and the installer pushed my gear to the point of causing damage, I doubt I would be a very happy customer. Just my thought
And whats your point?Now I as an installer go into peoples houses and abuse there systems???You know this for a fact?The customer didn't ramp the volume up to where he likes to listen?The dynamic power of the Krell has nothing to do with anything?whats your point man?

My point is that there are few people here with enough experience with that type of gear to make the statement (with any credibility) that any amp is the end all be all and those that do, I don't think would make such a statement.
Names?Your referring to me.I'm the one who said it.And yes I mean it.There is no amp company that exceeds Krell.NONE.I can BOLDLY make my statement and mean it.KRELL IS THE BE ALL END ALL IN AMPS.WHO IS BETTER...............?This is my opnion......I never heard anything better driving ALL kinds of speakers at any price.Stress the word ALL........
This is how I feel.And I do have enough experience with Krell to say so.I worked with Krell on a day to day basis.Put in alot of it,many demoing hours in the store on and off the clock.What more do you want?Why do you feel the need to insult my credibility every chance you can?I am who I am.No more no less.Sorry if what I do for a living insults you ro whatever it does to you.
So if I'm under qualified to talk about Krell,Where does that leave you?

[TroyD]

All I'm saying is that if I had someone install HT gear and ended up needing to call an electrician, yes, I'd be pissed nor do I think that blowing fuses is cool but that is MY opinion.

I also stand by my previous statement. You can't make the case that empirically Krell is any better than another brand. Personal preference? Sure. But to say as a matter of fact that Krell is the best. No, I don't think that it holds water regardless of WHO says it.

BDT

[mantis]

Originally posted by TroyD
All I'm saying is that if I had someone install HT gear and ended up needing to call an electrician, yes, I'd be pissed.

I also stand by my previous statement. You can't make the case that empirically Krell is any better than another brand. Personal preference? Sure. But to say as a matter of fact that Krell is the best. No, I don't think that it holds water regardless of WHO says it.

BDT
You know what Troy?many many many many o did I say many customers need to call an electrician in in order to get there home theater to work.Alot of time we need a deadicated 20 amp circuit for the gear room,Or an outlet up the wall for a Plasma TV,dude pissed never comes up.That customer thought it was the coolest thing he ever saw.He felt his Krell where manly...it's a guy thing........It put a smile on my face,if you heard how powerfull the Krell was,maybe you would smile 2.
Well you go with your statement...stand ,sit down,row a boat,I don't give a smack what you do with it.
I also stand by how I feel about Krell,I will feel that way untill I hear and experience something better in my opnion.Stop reading my words as fact,I have an opnion like everyone else.BE ALL END ALL KRELL IS.

[mantis]

Funny you must feel something since your willing to save for 6 months or more to get into Krell.You did tell me that once.

[TroyD]

Well, apparently the train missed the station in this conversation so I'm going to bow out of it.

[mantis]

I'm gonna do the same.

[rlw]

chill for a sec. If you want me to take you seriously, then don't throw a post out and "end" the conversation.

I apologize if my post seemed too confrontational and threatening to you.

Krell FPB series are not THX certified.

You say you like FPB's; you also advocate THX. You say both of these things quite vocally.

I'm not dissing Krell; I've never dissed Krell. I'm not dissing THX; I've never dissed THX. In fact, I own and enjoy both Krell and THX certified products.

I am trying to figure out - from you - what you think THX certification really means. Obviously, ultra theaters use amps/speakers which are not THX certified. And obviously [I think] those ultra theaters sound pretty good.

So, master, tell me: why should I worry about THX if these ultra theaters don't?

That's a serious question which deserves a serious answer.

[TroyD]

A question springs to mind, if you are installing a system (be it computers or HT or whatever) wouldn't you first ensure that you have the electrical capability to support the project? I'm going to assume that you would. So, it would seem to me (regardless of cool factor) negligent.

Again, my point is, not that I don't like Krell. I do. I'm interested in how it compares and why it is superior to, say, Levinson, Rowland (and other amps in that class) and so forth. I'm asking because I want to know, not because I'm being a smartass.

BDT

[rlw]

Troy,

I asked my friend, who owns a high-end AV salon about this. He showed me the planning phase they go through for a big HT project. It inlcludes: HVAC specification; Electrical Specification; Lighting Specification; Complete Blueprints and cabling diagrams.

If the customer wants big Krell amps, the electrical specification is taken straight from the Krell manual: each amp receives a dedicated circuit. He told me that he often gets into arguments with electricians who don't want to install the circuits - and he gives them no choice [either do it or walk without pay].

I know when I bought my gear, he stressed the importance of dedicated circuits to me.

When I design and build computer data centers, you'd better believe that I specify AC circuitry. Down to the amount of runtime the equipment will have from battery backup before an standby generator comes online. We even specify where devices are to be plugged in to balance the legs and minimize drain on the battery backup.

As far as Krell being superior to Levinson, Rowland, etc: that's subjective - beauty is in the ear of the beholder. I'd love to sit down with you someday, have all the aforementioned products in a room, and figure it out for ourselves.

Of course, we'd probably disagree at the end of the day, but that's part of the nature of the beast.

[TroyD]

Hey, but there is nothing wrong with disagreeing. If we all agreed on everything, life would be boring, no?

BDT

[stubby]

According to the October 2002 Stereophile, the Halcro dm58 is the best amplifier........ever. So there.

Stubby

[smglbrth]

Ok, Ok, Ok.....

Mantis and Troy, or Troy and Mantis,
I didn't mean to start this between the two of you!! I've read both of your posts on the forums many times and always valued both of your opinions on equipment, among other things. Sometimes I disagreed but hey, it's like a marriage sometimes, we agree that we disagree and that's just the way things are.

As my grandpa says sometimes, "No matter what the subject, someone always knows better than you do". Obviously he meant that people disagree and that's that.

Do I think that Polk Audio speakers are the best on the market in their respective price range? TOTALLY!! But....., someone might say, no, you need to listen to these speakers to really judge. Hey, no problem. Would it change my mind? Probably not, but I won't rule it out and be closed minded.

My grandpa prefers Marlin lever action rifles, I prefer Winchester lever actions. Which is better? Doesn't matter, we sit and shoot all afternoon and have a blast!! ;)

(Nice touch Stubby)

[mantis]

OK this is getting really old but,
I will answer your questions.
r/w,

I apologize if my post seemed too confrontational and threatening to you
It's cool man,I get tired of all the fighting.It's really old.I just wanna talk about audio and video without people just looking for reasons to start,I'm real tired of it.

Krell FPB series are not THX certified.
This is true as far as I know.The Home Theater Standard and Showcase lines are.They are Krell's theater products.
You say you like FPB's; you also advocate THX. You say both of these things quite vocally
Yes I do FPB class amps are the best Iv'e ever heard at all prices.I've listened to Mark Levinstons #33's and I feel the Krell shine over them.Don't get me wrong the Mark Levinstons #33's are breath taking,but Krell has that last word in detail and dynamic power under any load.
Krell suprised me with there ability to drive Dynaudio Confidence,Martin Logan Prodigy's,Dunlavys,Wilson Audio,B&W N800's,showing off these speakers best side.
Now Audio Research Tube amps go real nice with Martin Logan,but not well with Dynaudio or B&W in my opnion.I didn't care for that sound mix.I could go on and on the demo's Iv'e done.Krell doesn't care what you hook up to it.

I am trying to figure out - from you - what you think THX certification really means. Obviously, ultra theaters use amps/speakers which are not THX certified. And obviously [I think] those ultra theaters sound pretty good.
Ultra theater do not use non thx anything.For a room to be THX certified,everything needs to be.Including video,screen,projector,build,seating,volume,etc.
I'm not sure what you wanna know,I never said the room I did was THX certified.The Krell,Wilson room was in a Shore home.It was in his familyroom.The only things that where THX where his Processor,Theater Standard,the new one.Thats it.Pioneer Elite Pro720HD tv,Pioneer Elite dv47a dvd player,Pioneer Elite CLD-59 laser disc player,Sony VCR,Sony DSS,Krell cd Transport,TiVo,Transparent power blocks Transparent reference XL speaker wires and Inerconnects all balanced,RCA Transparent as well for SACD and DVD AUDIO.Wilson coffe table sub,Wilson Watt/puppies,Wilson center and exisitng Snell inwalls,they where killer sounding.Even suprised me how close they matched the Wilson Watt puppies and Wilson center.
The room was exisitng,and we added to it.New wires,power blocks,preamp,dvd player,TV,TiVo.
I don't spec out rooms.I install.I help clean up the job if things go south,its the way of things.Perfect world would be all neat,But even big dogs like Soundex drops the ball here and there.but we work with the owner and all comes clean in the end.
You see alot of you have no Idea what goes on behind the scenes of this Industry.Alot of trial and error,like any bussiness.Nothings perfect.We do alot of great work,and some not so great.We all give it our best efforts to work with our customers.Things happen.Good example would be the Polk Lsi center channel.Do you think Polk should have know the crossover was going to cause some TV's problems???????Maybe..........but you gotta have a case to fix whats not known up front.They have been designing center channels for a long time.And they even slip up here and there.Doesn't make them any less of a speaker company.It's what they do after is what counts as well.Same goes with Installer/System designers/Salesman/companies/etc.
I told you guys before I don't spec out the systems.I do help when I get called into the build of the job.That happens from time to time.At Soundex we would walk down just about every job.talk about it before we go on site.Have meeting on the really big jobs.This job here with Krell and Wilson wasn't a full job,but a upgrade.The job started out as 2 channel, then Home Theater then upgrading and upgrading.We went out to his house with in 7 months 3 times for upgrades.Last time was for system control in the Pronto tsu6000 with RF module.
I don't mind talking about install,but if your gonna sit there and kick every thing you can sink your teeth in ,well I'm not gonna talk about it anymore.Thats more Troy then you r/w.Troy finds ways to try and make me look bad anyway he can.If you notice he always gotta chime in that way right off the bat.
THX?????I plan on getting THX certified this year(I hope).I'm planning a trip to the ranch.It's one of the things in my field I wanna do.ISF is another.
Well if you really want to talk about THX,thats cool.I think THX is a really good tool.THX theads get started then bashed.So I feel it's pointless to talk about it in here anymore.less then 1 percent of the people give any thought about it,unles there bashing it.......Nieve?????maybe......I can respect anyones opnion on THX if they learned about it.Like it or not.

[joe6pak]

smglbrth.

If you are still watching this thread I can give you a little info pertaining to your original question. I have the Krell Showcase pre/pro and the Showcase 5 channel amp. I have very few complaints with this stuff. The amp drives my speakers with ease. The Dynaudio C-3 speakers that I use for my 2 channel listening are supposed to be hard to drive. This amp will push them to insane levels in stereo or 5 channel, and never waver. Clean, clear, detail, etc. I don't play at these high levels very often, and have never approached the top end of the volume scale. Now you did mention that you are primarly interested in 2 channel, but were concerned about the cost of Krell. Have you seen the KAV-300il stereo integrated amplifier? 200w,400w ( 8,4, ohmns ). I heard this little jewel driving the C-3s when I first demoed the speakers. The source was a Krell KAV-280cd. The 300il was fantastic. If I had been looking to go only 2 channel I would have strongly considered the intergrated. It was really nice. I think it was $3000 or a little more. Krell makes some really quality stuff. It is a brand to consider if you are shopping in that price range. Now just so I don't get my ass ripped by anyone, let me say that this is only my opinion, and other brands may be better.

Mantis.

Maybe if you say " just my opinion " or " its been my experience " about every other sentence in your posts, some of these guys won't start so much **** with you. Well on second thought, that probably won't work either.

joe

[TroyD]

Ok, I apologize if my curiousity got the better of me. However, if you don't want people to discuss what you do or say, don't post it.

IMO, (regardless of who is responsible and I'm not pointing fingers) if something happens as you describe, I don't think it's cool (I certainly wouldn't if it was my gear) I think it was negligent on the part of the owner and the person that helped him design the setup. IMO, the FIRST question on someones mind should have been 'do we have the power capability to support the project?' Obviously, it wasn't Dan's responsibility (nor was I accusing him) so what's the big deal? As Dan said, he is just the installer, not the designer. I'm all for trial and error but when there is that amount of money and a potential safety and fire hazard, well, I do think it's negligent. Anyway, sorry, enough about that.

As far as the Polk center, it's flawed analogy. That was an isolated incident that would only occurer under a rare set of circumstances. Apples and oranges.

As far as the amps go, here is where I stand. I have nothing but good things to say about Krell. Period. I'm curious, because I don't have enough experience with them and other brands of that caliber to make a judgement. I also believe that in order to fairly compare amps you have to listen to them in a controlled environment, meaning, the same rig only swapping out amps. Listening to different amps in different rigs, IMO, invalidates this process. Dan, I think would agree to this (as I think most would) so I am assuming that he is basing his opinions on this type of scenario, so that's why I'm asking.

Anyway, sorry to ask questions and all that. Carry on.

BDT

[mantis]

TroyD,
it's not the questions,its the way you ask them.You always seem to be pointing your finger at me.I post about Krell and you say That I Don't have enough experience to post about it.I talk about an Install and you bash me for the job not being perfect.
Anyway if there isn't intent there then ok,lets move on shaw we?
Listen dude Krell is one of if not the very finest Amp makers in the world.After all my time with them I fully believe it.As anything else,you need to form your own opnion of whats the best,or what the best for you.
In my lifetime I hope to own Krell.Thats not my speed today.You and I had a IM moment about Krell and you told me you wanted to save for 6 months to get into them.With that being said,I would assume you went out and listened to everything you could in there price class to make that kind of decesion.
In the end all audio and video is a matter of opnion.There are industry leaders,Krell being one of them.
I say lets stop talking about it and get our listen on and tell the tale of the demo.

[Zero]

JVC owns Krell....


;)

[rskarvan]

Krell getting THX approval is a little like the United States getting UN approval. Its nice... but, completely unnecessary.

[rlw]

Originally posted by TroyD
I also believe that in order to fairly compare amps you have to listen to them in a controlled environment, meaning, the same rig only swapping out amps. Listening to different amps in different rigs, IMO, invalidates this process.
BDT

Amen, brother. The more I listen, the more I think that applies to every component in the chain.

[har_navalta]

Originally posted by ATCVenom:

JVC owns Krell....



Oh, is that right JVC owns Krell...Japan Victor Company?

[shack]

JVC owns Krell....

I don't think so. I don't think Dan D'Agostino could work for the Victor Company of Japan, Limited (JVC).

BTW does anyone know where the name KRELL came from?

[har_navalta]

Maybe...JVC owns Krell, just like SONY a lot of prevoius
American company now owns by SONY.

JVC a big name in Japan, a big company too...

[phuz]

I think he meant "JVC 0\/\/|\|5 Krell"

In other words [instert$ sarcasm] "JVC is tha **** compared to Krell!"

[shack]

These kids today - you just can't understand thier language.

[Zero]

I knew I should have ended the word "own" with a "Z", instead of an "S".

Old people these days - have to spell everything out for them.

Phuz still gets it... good on ya!

Sean

[rlw]

Originally posted by shack



BTW does anyone know where the name KRELL came from?

Yes.


:p

[shack]

Yes.

OK rlw. Let's see if you can backup that bold statement.

There could be a big prize for you if you are right.

(there isn't - but there could have been)

[smglbrth]

Joe,

I did look at the 300il while out of town over New Years and that is originally what got my interest going. I could not believe that that little case, about the size of my DVD player, could actually put out that kind of power. You are correct on the price, if I remember correctly the shop had $3,175 on it. With the name Krell I knew it was good stuff. I really liked the way it looks, it's a very attractive piece of equipment.

I don't know if anyone would actually let you take one home and demo it before purchase but for that kind of a price tag I am thinking that I would almost have to listen to Krell on my system to make a judgement call. I doubt anyone would, without a check made out for the total, but a full refund return if you didn't like it would be nice.

What is with the name "Krell" anyway?

[TroyD]

Originally posted by rlw


Amen, brother. The more I listen, the more I think that applies to every component in the chain.

As do I, to me it's common sense. It's the only way you can accurately evaluate gear. I don't see how you can go into a hifi shop (or any other rig) and make an educated judgement on any piece of gear without being completely familiar with the rest of the gear. To me, that's one reason that listening to gear in a hifi shop only has limited value, IMO.

BDT

[phuz]

Originally posted by smglbrth


I don't know if anyone would actually let you take one home and demo it before purchase but for that kind of a price tag I am thinking that I would almost have to listen to Krell on my system to make a judgement call. I doubt anyone would, without a check made out for the total, but a full refund return if you didn't like it would be nice.



Actually from my experience as long as you pay up front, most places will let you take anything home for at least 3 days and up to 7 days (depends on the retailer) and try it out. If you don't like it you can take it back for a full refund.

As Troy said it's pretty absurd to listen to something in a store with foreign components, and any place that *doesn't* understand that and work with you on a major decision/purchase doesn't deserve your money anyway. ;)

[rlw]

Originally posted by shack


OK rlw. Let's see if you can backup that bold statement.

There could be a big prize for you if you are right.

(there isn't - but there could have been)


Then why should I bother? :)

Forbidden Planet: Krell were the beings on Altair who died trying to realize their dreams via technology.

[rlw]

Originally posted by smglbrth
Joe,

I don't know if anyone would actually let you take one home and demo it before purchase but for that kind of a price tag I am thinking that I would almost have to listen to Krell on my system to make a judgement call. I doubt anyone would, without a check made out for the total, but a full refund return if you didn't like it would be nice.

What is with the name "Krell" anyway?

You are correct - you have to listen in your system.

If you're sincere, I'm sure you can find a local dealer who will let you take the unit home for a trial listen, as long as you can supply a credit card number. Personally, I don't go for the routine of "Pay us up front in full, and you can return in xx days for a full refund." If a local dealer wants to sell to me, they let me take the gear home for a demo.

Mail order is different: there, I understand the pay to play.

[shack]

Forbidden Planet: Krell were the beings on Altair who died trying to realize their dreams via technology.

Very good - Had there been a prize you would have won it! :D

Dan D'Agostino decided not to use his own name. Forbidden Planet was his ex-wife Rondi's (and current company president) favorite sci-fi movie so it was very familiar to them and thus the name KRELL.

Ok rlw, just to show you what a good guy I am...in another thread SPEAKER7 bestowed this generous gift on me....

Congratulations Shack!

your the first contestant to guess the correct answer on the pic........You win a pair of Lsi15's and a set of Rotels pre/amps...........however in order to claim your prize...you will have to send me a blank cheque with your john henry on the x.


I'll pass it on to you! Enjoy!

[TroyD]

The two hifi shops in Charleston are more than happy to let you demo gear in your own home, as long as you provide them with a credit card (with enough available credit to cover the item) and so forth.

BDT

[George Grand]

I BELIEVE, the planet was Altair IV to be precise.


George Grand (of the Jersey Grand's)