Monster 2.4's [Archive]

TroyD

01-14-2003, 09:49 PM

That seems an odd response for a couple reasons.

1. Historically, you have been a big proponent of all of Monster's propoganda so I find it odd that you would dismiss it summarily.

2. Why have a High Pass wire at all? If they are exactly the same why label them?

I don't intend this as a knock on Dan as I have my doubts about there being any difference, my point is that I think a LOT of Monster's propoganda is BS. It just adds to my general skepticism of high dollar wire

BDT

mantis

01-14-2003, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by TroyD
That seems an odd response for a couple reasons.

1. Historically, you have been a big proponent of all of Monster's propoganda so I find it odd that you would dismiss it summarily.

2. Why have a High Pass wire at all? If they are exactly the same why label them?

I don't intend this as a knock on Dan as I have my doubts about there being any difference, my point is that I think a LOT of Monster's propoganda is BS. It just adds to my general skepticism of high dollar wire

BDT
Troy Troy Troy,
Ok....LOL to start out with.The little lable helps you hook up the wires correctly.Giving positive and negitive to each SET of binding posts.One say's high pass and one says low pass.The label doesn't tell the story of how good or how phony this cable is.This set of wires retails for 300.00.And my friend there is more reasons then just a label.This wire is 2nd from top of the line M series.The sound quality is awesome for the money.Serious listeners tend to pay attention to detail.Pointing out the low pass label is a very good honest question.Now if the conductors where designed for there duties as low and high,then wiring them this way wouldn't yield max performance out of the wire.
I know that all conductors are exactly the same as I have ran bulk M1.4s wire.It's some awesome sounding wire.
I have conducted a sootout with these wires against Home Depot 12x2 gauge wire.The results where unbelievable.The Home Depot wire seem to suffacate the Lsi15's to the point they didn't sound like thereselves.The tweeter became pronounced and a slight edge was added to the overall sound quality.I even made my own jumpers out of the 12 guage wire.I still have this horrible sounding wire on my back porch.I'll even snap you a pic.It's the real nice HD wire with the copper side and the metal whatever it is side.

RuSsMaN

01-14-2003, 10:32 PM

On a 4 conductor, bi-wire cable, there is no need for labeling, I think thats the point here.

Why are they labeled? On a bi-wire cable, it doesnt matter which - neg wire and which + pos wire is hooked to which post, as long as polarity is straight.

By your theory, which may indeed be correct, you could hook the high pass NEG cable to the upper NEG post, and high pass POS cable to the lower POS post, and so forth.

Why label them? Your opinion on said wire, or HD wire for that matter is not the issue, it has been dully noted. The issue is why does Monster label the wires, if it doesn't matter?

Cheers,
Rooster

mantis

01-14-2003, 10:37 PM

Hd fellas,

MxStYlEpOlKmAn

01-14-2003, 10:45 PM

Ahhhh i c.....my b......wrong wire - eh..i like that wire...
and mantis....thats tinned copper ;)

mantis

01-14-2003, 10:49 PM

Originally posted by RuSsMaN
On a 4 conductor, bi-wire cable, there is no need for labeling, I think thats the point here.

Why are they labeled? On a bi-wire cable, it doesnt matter which - neg wire and which + pos wire is hooked to which post, as long as polarity is straight.

By your theory, which may indeed be correct, you could hook the high pass NEG cable to the upper NEG post, and high pass POS cable to the lower POS post, and so forth.

Why label them? Your opinion on said wire, or HD wire for that matter is not the issue, it has been dully noted. The issue is why does Monster label the wires, if it doesn't matter?

Cheers,
Rooster
I really don't know the answer to your question as 2 why they put the labels on them.Dress it up?Make it pretty?I really don't have a tech answer for yeah.
The HD wire is that I have some,pic above for demoing only.Awhile back alot of people in here thought it was crazy to spend alot of money on wire.I have heard over the years,better wire sounds better just to be general.A job I did where a customer has an electrician wire his theater with HD wire,there was some left over,I asked if I could have the scraps,they where going to go in the trash,so I took them home for some wire shootouts.The HD wire is now turning green and it's not even 5 months old.Sound quality is horrible when compared to Monster bulk 14 guage and gets destroyed when compared to the M1.4s.

RuSsMaN

01-14-2003, 10:57 PM

Ok, I guess you don't want to answer the question, but you really don't have to, sounds like something the manufacturer needs to address. I'll talk to Monster cs tomorrow and get thier take on it.

Nice pic of standard wire, I don't see any 'green', or have I just gone colorblind? ;)

Cheers,
Rooster

mantis

01-14-2003, 11:02 PM

My pic kinda sucks,
well I'm no photographer but if you look at the silver side,inside the clear jacket,it's turning green.
Russ it's not that I don't want to answer it,I just don't have a tech answer.It makes no sence to me.It needs not to be there.But it is.Post back what Monster tells you.This should be good.

MxStYlEpOlKmAn

01-14-2003, 11:23 PM

Mantis- the SILVER side is a cheap tinned plated copper, this goes into the black terminal. The copper goes into the red. The tin is cheap and does oxidate early. Nothing said it wouldn't. I didn't hear you say anything about the copper oxidating, now did I?

mantis

01-15-2003, 07:14 AM

The copper side didn't turn green,yes the silver side did.

TroyD

01-15-2003, 08:54 AM

M2.4s Biwire features a sophisticated combination of multiple-gauge wire networks to optimize frequency and phase response

I got this from the Monster website. Essentially this tells me that they have 'optimized' certain condutors for certain frequencies. So, that would lead me to think that Monster wants you to think that there is a difference. If there is no difference, than what Monster said is a load of fertilizer. If THAT is the case, sorta makes you wonder what else is a load of fertilizer.

Dan, Dan, Dan,

Talk to me as condescendingly as you like but something isn't adding up here. I'm not debating that Monster sounds better than HD (we've been through that) what I am saying is that Monster is trying to sell a bill of goods that is misleading at best. Dishonest is a better term, I think. It would also make one wonder what else they are full of BS on as well. How much it sells for and where it falls in the product line isn't the issue. That's just saying that if it costs more, well, it MUST be better. As you know, I don't believe that for a second.

My point here is that all along, I've thought that a lot of the propoganda surrounding wire is largely unsubstantiated non-sense and this just furthers that sentiment to me.

BDT

Zero

01-15-2003, 11:49 AM

I have personally always felt speaker wire marketing was very simular to bose, being that you have over-exagurated claims and an enormous (1000 percent?) mark-up price.

Only difference is, wire makes a difference......

Regardless, I dont care for the shrued marketing tactics and prices.

Sean

Apex

01-15-2003, 02:28 PM

Well guys,I have 14g monster wire.

Once i get these in i'll compare the 2.4s to regular 14g,and give you my honset opinion.

Zero

01-15-2003, 02:41 PM

Apex,

You should notice a difference, I fairly big improvement might I add.

I did an A and B comparison between MIT terminator 4's and typical 16 gauge wire, no contest... the MIT owned it.

The Z2 bi-wires dominated the MIT'.s Considering the M2.4's are a few levels above the Z2, it should be....once again,, no contest.

You should be happy with the purchase.

RuSsMaN

01-15-2003, 02:44 PM

Originally posted by ATCVenom

The Z2 bi-wires dominated the MIT'.s Considering the M2.4's are a few levels above the Z2, it should be....once again,, no contest.

A Bi-wire cable, against a regular 2 conductor? It better have 'dominated'. ;)

Zero

01-15-2003, 02:56 PM

Russ,

It would be interesting to take the Sigma Retro's for a spin. They are only two conductor wire's..... Anyone got a pair they wish to donate?

mantis

01-15-2003, 06:52 PM

M2.4s Biwire features a sophisticated combination of multiple-gauge wire networks to optimize frequency and phase response
Troy Troy Troy,
this isn't by set of conductors,it's in the conductor itself.If you cut one open,inside are multigauge wires,twisted counter clockwise,a centercore tube.Theres alot going on inside.There not lieing with this statement.
All 4 conductors are made the same way.If you buy M1.2s wire,it's the same as the M1.4s wire only less conductors.2 instead of 4.2 wire .......4 wire.
I don't know why you jump to say hey there full of ****.Whatever there reasons for building there wires the way they do,label them or not, they sound really good.I don't really care about build and labels,I care about sound quality.If it sounds good,I'm in.If the Home Depot wire sounded good,and it didn't turn green,I'd use it.I don't care who made it,It's gotta sound good,thats all.Companies can go on and on about networks and twisted this way for this reason,shielding and what kind of dielectric they use.It means nothing if the wire can't perform.

TroyD

01-15-2003, 08:21 PM

Simple fact is, and my point is, if they label it as such then they want you to believe there is a difference. If there isn't, it's dishonest. Otherwise, there is no need to label.

Like I said, it may be no big deal but it serves to reinforce my skepticism. I will bet that if I went to Tweeter tomorrow and bought this pair of cables that if I asked the salesman 'why does this pair say High Pass' that I'll be told that they are optimized for the high frequencies. Anybody want to bet?

BDT

Zero

01-15-2003, 10:12 PM

*takes off the reasonable tactfull hat*

Good Lord,

I have not taken the time to read Monsters advertisement nor do I feel compelled to. If they claim that each pass is created to optimize performance for that frequency, yeah, I am skeptic too. I dislike decetefull claims as much as the next guy...

Could it also be, Monster recognizes how relatively lax this culture has become, and how marketable "conviencence" is? Perhaps labeling high and low pass is to do nothing more than to serve as an easy means to hook up and install the cables.

Perhaps its both?

Does it matter? No. You either believe it or not, you either give a **** or not, you either buy the cables, or you dont.

Black and white, fellas.

TroyD

01-15-2003, 10:20 PM

I don't buy that it's to simplify the connection. That's why you have the positive cables one color and the negative the other. That dog just doesn't hunt.

BDT

RuSsMaN

01-15-2003, 10:28 PM

How's that hand terminated 16/2 lamp cord I sent you sound?

If it's the same 4 conductors, then it doesn't matter, of course as long as polarity is observed. I'll email monster tomorrow for thier take, then we can put this post to bed.

The more I think about it, there are a lot of dumb, well, uniformed consumers. I can see labling HIGH and LOW pass on the cables, saving a TON of tech support emails and phone calls. BUT then again, I hope those same uniformed consumers aren't buying $300 (or whatever) cables, without having a basic understanding of the design.

Cheers,
Russ

Zero

01-15-2003, 10:36 PM

Kill two birds with one stone, thats all Im saying.....

mantis

01-15-2003, 10:53 PM

I think it is amazing how you 2 can bicker so much over a label,then make it into why your skeptical about wire.I say stay away from it and go with what you believe in.

I agree with ATCvenom that it's black and white.For lack of a technical answer it's there for the common man to hook up correctly.
Just because a wire costs 300.00 doesn't mean the person buying is always going to fully understand the built,install or any other end except it sounded reeally good when that person listened.
I shouldn't have posted the pic,then all this could have been avoided.Hell if I would have hooked them up correctly,then it would have been.
Guys relax,call Monster,Email,hell I will go out of my way to find the correct answers for you.I will call tomarrow.

Tour2ma

01-16-2003, 02:38 AM

Originally posted by RuSsMaN
Nice pic of standard wire, I don't see any 'green', or have I just gone colorblind? ;)

OK, I am color blind, and what I really want to know is,
"Is that carpet pink?"

TroyD

01-16-2003, 06:21 AM

Still not buying, if a person is too dumb to figure out polarity, they are going to know what High Pass means? Nope, didn't think so.

No biggie Dan, you think that they are trying to simplify and I think they are peddling a load of fertilizer. No biggie.

Russ,

The new cord looks GREAT, nice solid connections, and sounds great on the 'combat rig'. Thanks a million!!

//aside to crowd, Russ built some custom cables, for free, to hook up my 'combat rig' that I'm taking to the desert//

BDT

rlw

01-16-2003, 10:17 AM

According to Monster, the "Hi Pass" is supposed to conduct the high frequencies, and the bass is supposed to go to the other conductors.

We all agree that 60Hz is bass, right?

Can somebody please take a set of 2.4 Hi Pass cable, strip off both ends on both conductors.

Insert one end of positive conductor into one side of AC outlet. Insert same end of negative conductor into other side of AC outlet.

Shove the other positive conductor end where you like, and put the other negative conductor end under your tongue.

Post your results and whether you think the cable blocks low frequencies, and whether you think Monster is full of ****.

hoosier21

01-16-2003, 10:56 AM

I have seen others post that they use brand X for the high freq. and brand Y for the low freq.

I bet you anything Monster Cable "salesmen" will tell you that the stranding..insulation..configuation..yada yada IS different for the low and high connections in that cable, and that you SHOULD connect the high pass to your upper posts.

It is funny to see the "extra" care MC has taken to lable this wire HIGH PASS, and now we have a THX certified installer saying ah it's bull**** wire it how you want.

donahue

01-16-2003, 11:54 AM

This thread is both interesting and funny. I just bought a pair of these cables and one of them has all of the four conductors marked as high-frequency. What does that mean? It means that someone labeled them incorrectly at Monster. Therefore, I find it hard to believe that there is any differences between the high and the low conductors.

hoosier21

01-16-2003, 01:23 PM

both pairs marked high freq? those must be for Tri- Wiring.

Apex

01-16-2003, 06:06 PM

Well from what i gather,so don't try to prove me wrong and all,cuz i won't care.
I think it says hi pass on both sides is because the L/R speakers are considered to be mids/highs,Not really Subwoofers.I know some Towers do have subwoofers,not to the extent of an external sub though.Cuz if they did why would we be buying subwoofer systems?.So I THINK,like i said THINK,this maybe the reason it does not say "Low Pass".

In car audio,the front seperates have hi and low frequencies seperated at the crossover.Even though it "SAYS" low on the crossover,doesn't mean it will go to low frequencies as a subwoofer,so why does it say low?.

So i think it would be best suited to say "Mid pass" not "low pass" anyway.

Apex

01-18-2003, 08:04 PM

Got my 2.4s in,i have yet to hook em up.But the terminals are labled with High and low pass.

RuSsMaN

01-18-2003, 08:20 PM

Cool Apex, I still haven't gotten a reply from Monster. I figure if nothing shows monday in my inbox, I'll call the 800 no.

Not that it REALLY matters at this point, but just to finish out the discussion.

Cheers,
Russ

infinitiqx4

01-19-2003, 07:15 AM

Originally posted by rlw
According to Monster, the "Hi Pass" is supposed to conduct the high frequencies, and the bass is supposed to go to the other conductors.

We all agree that 60Hz is bass, right?

Can somebody please take a set of 2.4 Hi Pass cable, strip off both ends on both conductors.

Insert one end of positive conductor into one side of AC outlet. Insert same end of negative conductor into other side of AC outlet.

Shove the other positive conductor end where you like, and put the other negative conductor end under your tongue.

Post your results and whether you think the cable blocks low frequencies, and whether you think Monster is full of ****.

:lol: If it actually is labelled "high pass" its ridiculous. High pass should refer to a filter- and if these wires are filtering then they SUCK.

$300 for speaker wire? And I thought I got ripped off when I paid $100 for 4channel RCAs that were 5 meters in length (that's about 16.4 ft for those of you scared of metric). BTW those are Monster's top car RCAs. They're good and help shielding out noise- but the "drain wire" is total gimmick.

Apex

01-19-2003, 05:54 PM

I just hooked them up and the results compared to the 14g are phenominal.I didn't think i would've actually gained so much volume and clarity.

I haven't really had the chance yet to sit and scruntinize the finer details.Since i'm expecting a baby boy in a week or two.

Before when i'd listen to Van halen or Tool i would go to about 10 on my H/k for some kick ass sound.Now i only have to go to 30.To me that is worth the money since i don't have to push the recicever so hard anymore.

infinitiqx4

01-19-2003, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by Apex
I just hooked them up and the results compared to the 14g are phenominal.I didn't think i would've actually gained so much volume and clarity.

So my roommate just paid $400 for a one hour session with the best psychic around. He came home and said "That was phenominal. I gained so much clarity."

To each his own :D

Apex

01-20-2003, 12:15 AM

If you say "each his own" why are you critizing how much i paid?and what i felt about these cables?.

Also are you saying,i didn't notice these differences?,and that i'm full of it?.Cuz if you are my g/f that hates my obsession with h/t noticed it also.She also thought it was a waste until i hooked them up too.

infinitiqx4

01-20-2003, 02:12 AM

There is a smiley face- it means be merry. If you noticed a difference and are happy- then who am I to say you made a mistake? You are happy and that's all that really matters. But generally spending $350 on speaker wiring is pretty silly compared to other weak points in the system. If you had single 14 gauge wire before, you could likely be just as happy bi-wiring 12 gauge oxygen free wire that would cost 1/4 the price. Spend the time and money on calibrating your TV, tuning your equipment, installing some sound treatments, etc. It sounds like you are saving up for 2000s, I certainly would have saved that extra money towards a big improvement like that. But that is just my preference.

Come on, the claims like high pass by Monster are pretty ridiculous. If we are criticizing anybody it is Monster for their behavior- not you for trying to improve your system. To that matter, please do try some back to back tests. Perhaps try switching the "low and high" cables and seeing if there is any difference. Try running just one set and not bi-wiring, see how much of the improvement is from bi-wiring.

RuSsMaN

01-20-2003, 05:38 PM

Russ,

You are correct. The conductors are the same for both the low pass and high pass leads on that cable.

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phuz

01-20-2003, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by RuSsMaN
Russ,

You are correct. The conductors are the same for both the low pass and high pass leads on that cable.

And then you replied "So why the hell are they labled for low pass and high pass then?" Right Russ?

I hope someone does. I'd like to hear the response.

RuSsMaN

01-20-2003, 06:50 PM

I did, no answer.

Major tired-head on this one.

Apex

01-20-2003, 07:15 PM

Come on, the claims like high pass by Monster are pretty ridiculous. If we are criticizing anybody it is Monster for their behavior- not you for trying to improve your system. To that matter, please do try some back to back tests. Perhaps try switching the "low and high" cables and seeing if there is any difference. Try running just one set and not bi-wiring, see how much of the improvement is from bi-wiring.

Well these cables retail at like $700.00.I wouldn't spend that much.For the price i got them,i could've only bought the 1.4s.
But ok,i'll try switching them around and let you know what i notice.Also i'm the process of moving,so all of my DVDs are boxed up.So all put in some audio and see what i notice.

No hard feelings,but why is it ridiculous for monster to claim high pass?.

scottvamp

01-20-2003, 07:17 PM

Got my 2.4s in,i have yet to hook em up.But the terminals are labled with High and low pass.
Apex, What speakers did you hook these wires up to????
How many feet??
Sorry If I missed - just remembered this thread.

infinitiqx4

01-20-2003, 08:44 PM

Originally posted by Apex
why is it ridiculous for monster to claim high pass?.

Well, first of all it has already been stated that the two wires are the same. So how can the same wire do high pass and the same wire do low pass? There is no difference.

Saying "high pass" means a filter. These are low resistance wires- not filters!!! Even just a first order filter would need a real resistor and capacitor, and most audio filters are higher order (consider crossover networks, etc).

I hope they just intended to help label things for convenience... but in a bi-wire setup with identical cables (not bi-amp) there is no reason to!

NO REASON WHATSOEVER TO CLAIM LOW PASS OR HIGH PASS! That is why phuz and russman are scratching their heads over Monster's response.

Apex

01-20-2003, 09:47 PM

The cables are 8ft hooked up to RT100I's.

low/hi pass are the same on these wires?.I would think it wouldn't be that hard for them to seperate the cable into two parts and use different capacitors on each end.

In car audio i use bass filters on my mid drivers and tweeters,these are quite small enough to fit into where the cable splits up.So i still don't see how they wouldn't use a different filter for each end.

scottvamp

01-20-2003, 10:05 PM

At retail the wires cost almost the same as your speakers.
A 5/10 grand speakers ya. $700 for speakers wires for Polk rt's - not too sure there. I agree with some of the people on here - could have upgraded else where and did better. Just MPO/2cents

Apex

01-21-2003, 04:47 PM

Well it's not like i'm never going to upgrade to different speakers.I know these cables out do the speakers now.I just thought they where a good buy.

Your system is only as good as your interconnects IMHO.

Zero

01-21-2003, 04:52 PM

I always felt your system is as good as its weakest link...

Apex

01-21-2003, 06:10 PM

Duh thats what i meant.

Tour2ma

01-21-2003, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by Apex
I would think it wouldn't be that hard for them to seperate the cable into two parts and use different capacitors on each end.

In car audio i use bass filters on my mid drivers and tweeters,these are quite small enough to fit into where the cable splits up.So i still don't see how they wouldn't use a different filter for each end.

Sorry, I want to stay in the “what ever works for you” mode, but you’re making it too hard. I can't help but reply to this one...

First, I doubt MC puts capacitors in their wires, but if they did…

If you were in pursuit of pure sound, why would you knowingly put the conditioning of your signal in the hands of a wire manufacturer? How could they know what level of conditioning is right for your speakers vs. mine vs…. I thought this was the joint responsibility of: first, the amp manufacturer, when they design the sound of their circuitry; and second, the speaker manufacturers, when they design their crossovers.

As for your car rig, what is the basis your filter selection? I’ll bet it’s not the wire manufacturer.

Don’t really want to get in your faces over this, but the great and continuing wire debate is all about the degree of transparency of wire. It’s about the degree to which, and cost of, removing all coloration from the amp/ speaker connection. No secret that I’m a low-fi, wire guy, and, in part, I’ll stay there because of rationalizations like this from the hi-end wire folk.

I’ll repeat what I have said before, “If you pay enough for wire, you will hear a difference.”

Of course, that’s only my opinion. I could be wrong… ;)

scottvamp

01-21-2003, 07:45 PM

Well it's not like i'm never going to upgrade to different speakers.I know these cables out do the speakers now.I just thought they where a good buy.
Apex, good answer!!!!!

faster100

01-22-2003, 10:45 AM

Maybe just maybe they label them for Bi-amping??????
ya know it would make good sense if you were useing 2- 2channel amps to know which is low pass and which is high pass strictly for amp wireing purposes, But they could have marked them wire set 1 and wire set 2 but does that look as fancy as low and high pass???/ 700 retail for wire is crazy even i'f you have the lsi's, i mean put them on a 3,4or 5000 $$ dollar set of speakers but to pay almost as much be it me with my 70's or lsi15's thats just alot of money

mantis

01-26-2003, 07:46 AM

Dudes,
I believe the labels are there just for dummies.They put the labels there so you hook up the wires correctly.They are also color coated for the same reason.The word high pass means nothing other then hook it up to the top posts and low pass to the lower posts.Thats it.Monster will not claim that there wires are different.
If you guys would take some time learning about how Monster builds all of there wires,you would understand.
In short,Monster time corrects there wires.They put alot of technology into building them.The way the wind there wires,different gauges within the wire,Dielectric,etc.All of this is explained on the web site if you just take the time to read it.
For me since I own Monster Bi wires which are labeled,I go with sounds best.I also built these cables in the past,I already knew they where exactly the same inside.
Buying M2.4s bi wires for rti100's is overkill.But now he has upgradability in speakers without needing to change the wires.Thats a good thing.You can use those cables on Lsi if you wanted.That would make a killer combo.
Good wire costs alot.Believe in it or not.Sound is all that matters to me.

Apex

01-30-2003, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by mantis
Dudes,
I believe the labels are there just for dummies.They put the labels there so you hook up the wires correctly.They are also color coated for the same reason.The word high pass means nothing other then hook it up to the top posts and low pass to the lower posts.Thats it.Monster will not claim that there wires are different.
If you guys would take some time learning about how Monster builds all of there wires,you would understand.
In short,Monster time corrects there wires.They put alot of technology into building them.The way the wind there wires,different gauges within the wire,Dielectric,etc.All of this is explained on the web site if you just take the time to read it.
For me since I own Monster Bi wires which are labeled,I go with sounds best.I also built these cables in the past,I already knew they where exactly the same inside.
Buying M2.4s bi wires for rti100's is overkill.But now he has upgradability in speakers without needing to change the wires.Thats a good thing.You can use those cables on Lsi if you wanted.That would make a killer combo.
Good wire costs alot.Believe in it or not.Sound is all that matters to me.

Well said :)

mantis

01-30-2003, 02:57 PM

Thank you.

Tour2ma

01-31-2003, 08:25 AM

Mantis,
Gave you enough s**t in your "Starter wire" thread last night so I'm going to leave you alone here... No, no need to thank me... but if you would please answer my earlier question.

Originally posted by Tour2ma
OK, I am color blind, and what I really want to know is,
"Is that carpet pink?"
Ain't kidding, I really am color blind...

polkatese

02-02-2003, 07:33 PM

Justin,
where is the full review on your newly acquired m2.4? I haven't found anybody that says the cable doesn't improved their system, so before I seriously consider it (damned expensive cable, but if it worth the money, then it might relatively its cost is reasonable). I like to get as much information as I can, including its low points, if any. Thanks....

mantis

02-03-2003, 07:11 AM

Tour2ma,
The color of my rug is light brown.The pic with the Home Depot wire was shot on our dinningroom table.The table cloth is what you see in that pic.That changes all the time so no color I can say it is as it isn't the same from day to day.Mrs Mantis likes to change things around.

Tour2ma

02-03-2003, 06:22 PM

Originally posted by mantis
Tour2ma,
Mrs Mantis likes to change things around.
:lol: :lol:
Thanks, as payment for the laugh I offer you one week of my "silence" in your "high-wire" discussions.

Apex

02-05-2003, 04:57 PM

Originally posted by polkatese
Justin,
where is the full review on your newly acquired m2.4? I haven't found anybody that says the cable doesn't improved their system, so before I seriously consider it (damned expensive cable, but if it worth the money, then it might relatively its cost is reasonable). I like to get as much information as I can, including its low points, if any. Thanks....

Well i just currently moved,so i haven't had much time to scrutinze details.But i will say i did notice a diiference with clarity.Imaging was more defined.

Before when i'd listen to Van halen or Tool i would go to about 10 on my H/k for some kick ass sound.Now i only have to go to 30.To me that is worth the money since i don't have to push the recicever so hard anymore.

To be honest i wouldn't pay $750.00 for these,since that wouldn't be in my budget.So that's why i bought them off of Ebay for $350.00.