Pioneer Elite receivers

[mantis]

Whats up all,
I started a thread that I'm looking to get into the new Rotel preamp. A question came up about Pioneer Elite receivers. I figured we could talk about them in detail here.

So for all who wants to know anything about them current or past, I'll do my best to answer any questions. Anyone else feel free to jump in and talk about this wonderful line of receivers.

So far my experience with the new receivers is limited to the sco09tx, sc03tx but we carry all of the new ones so I'm sure I will be Installing them soon.

As a opening, I find the Elite receivers to sound amazing with Rt series speakers. Awesome dynamics and control. I have done many home theaters with rt series in walls/ceiling and floor/bookshelf speakers all with killer results.

So anyone shopping for a new receiver and own rt series speakers or any 6 to 8 ohm speakers should check out Pioneer Elite.

Dan

O and I'm not working for Pioneer ELite or plan on any time soon( but who knows what the future brings)

[MADGSF]

Good thread Dan!

I have a VSX-54TX and have been meaning to ask you this for some time now. Is there a way to have the receiver switch the sound format from stereo to a movie format automatically? Say if I go from watching a cable channel with a stereo signal to a HD channel with a 5.1 signal? Now that I have some HD channels and get the 5.1 sound I forget to set it to a movie setting, like THX for instance. I know the receiver sees this signal as the number of speaker indication on the display shows the 5.1 configuration.

Thanks

Mark

[disneyjoe7]

Mark,

I should let the expert here answer but I too had a question so this is my $.02 ok...

Use two separate inputs for different sound modes, it's what works for me.



Dan, or others.

Something my Onkyo did but a Pioneer Elite not, or I haven't found the way yet.

Is there a way to have the volume set to a preset value upon turn on? I use my receiver for 2 channel and HT so sometimes 2 channel can be loud then turned off. So when turned on at night I need to volume lower, but earlier in the day it first set to last volume which could of been very loud. My Onk could be set to a set value which was low at first, can the Elite do the same?

[Sherardp]

Im glad this came up Im about to order the SC05 or the SC07 tonight. What are your thoughts on these models compared to the 94. I need to order something since my 7100ES wont pass 1080p. I'll simply be using the Elite as a pre/pro since Im using D Sonic Iceamps and Outlaws to power my speakers. Thoughts appreciated.

[Sherardp]

Edit: SC07 ordered, couldnt refuse the price on it. 1600 bucks shipped.

[mantis]

Good thread Dan!

I have a VSX-54TX and have been meaning to ask you this for some time now. Is there a way to have the receiver switch the sound format from stereo to a movie format automatically? Say if I go from watching a cable channel with a stereo signal to a HD channel with a 5.1 signal? Now that I have some HD channels and get the 5.1 sound I forget to set it to a movie setting, like THX for instance. I know the receiver sees this signal as the number of speaker indication on the display shows the 5.1 configuration.

Thanks

Mark
The older Model should go into Dolby Digital when the signal is there and the input is set to auto. Then when the digital sigal is gone, it should go back to stereo. This is now the newer models work. But it you can't assign Stereo and THX or any other surround mode to a input at the same time.

[mantis]

Im glad this came up Im about to order the SC05 or the SC07 tonight. What are your thoughts on these models compared to the 94. I need to order something since my 7100ES wont pass 1080p. I'll simply be using the Elite as a pre/pro since Im using D Sonic Iceamps and Outlaws to power my speakers. Thoughts appreciated.

The sc07 has the new Digital amps which sound better to me then the 94's amp. Not to mention they have more kick. Still the 94 is a awesome receiver and has no faults in it's own right and not a bad choice with todays standards even with the new Sc models out.

[mantis]

I Installed the 01 today with all Inwall and Inceiling Polk Rti speakers. Excellent upgrade from the 90. I don't however like the fact you have to connect you Ipod Via USB in the front now. I really liked the rear Input. I'm suprised Pioneer Removed it.

But now you have Built in Decoding at this leve where the 90 did not. And 3 HDMI inputs as 2 for the 90.

Dan

[jchas41]

I also have the VSX-54TX, been very happy with it for the last 4 years or so. I am getting more and more anxious though to upgrade to something with HDMI and Dolby TrueHD and DTS-MA. The question is when...:D

[cfrizz]

Easier access, I would assume.:)

I Installed the 01 today with all Inwall and Inceiling Polk Rti speakers. Excellent upgrade from the 90. I don't however like the fact you have to connect you Ipod Via USB in the front now. I really liked the rear Input. I'm suprised Pioneer Removed it.

But now you have Built in Decoding at this leve where the 90 did not. And 3 HDMI inputs as 2 for the 90.

Dan

[mantis]

Easier access, I would assume.:)

I guess but Pioneer had there own connection on the back and you could just leave the cable plugged in all the time. Not to mention you could purchase the optional Dock for a nice Install. You dock when you want.

Honestly I don't care for the front jack, they also make you use the Ipod cable from Apple, they don't supply the cable.

Dan

[mantis]

I also have the VSX-54TX, been very happy with it for the last 4 years or so. I am getting more and more anxious though to upgrade to something with HDMI and Dolby TrueHD and DTS-MA. The question is when...:D

This depends on your HDMI needs.
1) If you have a HDMI monitor and want to get 1080p to it, this is the way.

2) You have more then 1 HDMI soure.

3) Blu Ray only outputs on HDMI VIA 1080p.

4) You wanna hear the new Audio formats correctly(and not have to connect the old fashion way with analog out)

Really I don't see any reason NOT to get into a new receiver. I suggest picking up a vsx92txh if you can find one if money is a concern. Pick up a Vsx94txh if you want there best before the new ones. Then there is all the new models plus Ice amps.

Dan

[Sherardp]

PM me if you want the best price on a 94. I went Value Electronics and Robert has the best price I have seen on the 94 and the new SC models.

[krabby5]

I guess but Pioneer had there own connection on the back and you could just leave the cable plugged in all the time. Not to mention you could purchase the optional Dock for a nice Install. You dock when you want.

Honestly I don't care for the front jack, they also make you use the Ipod cable from Apple, they don't supply the cable.

Dan
exactly..I have an 82txv (or whatever) and I leave the cord plugged in at all times. pretty convenient if you ask me..just plug in an go

Although since I got an xbox a couple years ago, I now just stream my music more..

[Sherardp]

Well I made it back to Japan today, 14 hrs flying. Wasnt too tired to get in there and play in my theater room though. Got the 07 hooked without a problem, ran the setup and then tweaked from there. My initial impressions were WOW! From out of the box to the finish install I am very impressed and happy with my purchase. Detail and clarity is what I noticed right off the top compared to my 7100ES. I run a 7.1 setup and everything sounds excellent, couldnt be happier. I really wasnt prepared for the size of this monster, but it truly is a superb unit. Watched Iron Man on Blu, demoed Hero and Star Wars(pod race) and it was just a stunning experience. Very happy.

[mantis]

Well I made it back to Japan today, 14 hrs flying. Wasnt too tired to get in there and play in my theater room though. Got the 07 hooked without a problem, ran the setup and then tweaked from there. My initial impressions were WOW! From out of the box to the finish install I am very impressed and happy with my purchase. Detail and clarity is what I noticed right off the top compared to my 7100ES. I run a 7.1 setup and everything sounds excellent, couldnt be happier. I really wasnt prepared for the size of this monster, but it truly is a superb unit. Watched Iron Man on Blu, demoed Hero and Star Wars(pod race) and it was just a stunning experience. Very happy.

Yes they are a bit taller then last years models. They also sound better in my opnion. Directly comparing the 94 vs the 05 , I noticed a clear detail that the 94 lacked just a tad. It was difficult to hear the difference at first, not a night and day thing, but if you study certain things , you can hear the Clarity of the new models. It's so cool they Improve year after year.

I have not had a 07 in my hands yet.

[disneyjoe7]

I use a 84 as a pre pro would I see a difference?


And can anyone answer my other question on turn on pre-set volume.

[Sherardp]

I use a 84 as a pre pro would I see a difference?


And can anyone answer my other question on turn on pre-set volume.

Yes you would notice a difference, the new 05/07 uses the energy efficient Iceamps. These receivers sound freaking awesome, granted Im only allowing the Elite to run my surround back speakers. The processing is simply great and you cant go wrong. If youre interested try valueelectronics, they have prices that you cant resist especially for the 05 and 94 model.

[disneyjoe7]

As a pre pro I don't use the internal amp.


And I guess there's not preset volume thing a Pioneer Elite AVR can do, something I miss. :(

[Sherardp]

Verified, it comes on at the volume the unit was on before shut-off. Hope that doesnt make it a deal breaker for you, these new Elites are stunning.

[disneyjoe7]

Ok thanks it's confirmed, that was my findings also. Something I miss, but I wouldn't call it a deal breaker at all, as I'm very happy even with an old Elite 84 series. I was even impressed with the amp of this unit as it would drive my RTi150 fronts cleanly at reference volumes. Something I wouldn't suggest as these speakers can dip into the 3 ohm range at times or what I been told. My old AVR Onk would go into protect mode before even getting to reference. This is something I did as a test, but run the 84 as a pre / pro.

[mantis]

Ok thanks it's confirmed, that was my findings also. Something I miss, but I wouldn't call it a deal breaker at all, as I'm very happy even with an old Elite 84 series. I was even impressed with the amp of this unit as it would drive my RTi150 fronts cleanly at reference volumes. Something I wouldn't suggest as these speakers can dip into the 3 ohm range at times or what I been told. My old AVR Onk would go into protect mode before even getting to reference. This is something I did as a test, but run the 84 as a pre / pro.


The new Ice Elites you could easily use the internal amps and find a clarity
that was needed with external amps. They are also very stable. I ran a full RTS THX 7.1 Speaker package with the Sc09tx with no problems at reference volumes. I ran it above reference to see if I could clip it out. I used transformers in HD DVD and Spiderman 3 in Blu ray and could not get it to clip. the lower end models so far have been strong. With Rti speakers , they will Impress you.

As just a Preamp , you will now get processing inside the receiver and a more advanced Mcacc system. However no rear Ipod connection, you have to use the front USB Input and your own cable.
Dan

[olilugo]

Hey Mantis, have you had a chance to compare the sound quality between any of the new pioneer elite and your own rotel pre-pro?

[Sherardp]

That SC09 is a monster, would love to have that, just too pricey. The 07 however is freaking awesome.

[mantis]

Hey Mantis, have you had a chance to compare the sound quality between any of the new pioneer elite and your own rotel pre-pro?

No , I would love to bring home the Sc09tx and run it against the Rotel setup. The problem with my setup is my damn speakers. They are 86db at 4ohms. They suck all the current out of whatever you connect them 2. So the Elite line is not in the cards. If I where to switch to lets say a full B&W speaker package or a Focal then the Elite would be on my very short list. I probably would own the Sc09tx. The sc07tx is not bad or the sc05 for that matter. They are all fantastic receivers and sound so damn good.

Dan

[wingnut4772]

I will say this about the MCACC on my 82TXS...nothing beats a good ol' SPL meter so far. It just sounds so much better when I do it myself.

[Sherardp]

I will say this about the MCAC on my 82TXS...nothing beats a good ol' SPL meter so far. It just sounds so much better when I do it myself.

I agree with you, I ran the MCACC auto setup on my system, and though it didnt sound bad, I fined tuned using the good ole SPL meter. Glad youre enjoying the 82 though.

[wingnut4772]

I agree with you, I ran the MCACC auto setup on my system, and though it didnt sound bad, I fined tuned using the good ole SPL meter. Glad youre enjoying the 82 though.

Yep. My MCAAC was way off though. Using the SPL was way more than fine tuning. Just waiting on my amp....

[Sherardp]

Yep. My MCAAC was way off though. Using the SPL was way more than fine tuning. Just waiting on my amp....

Mine was off with the speaker distances, a few feet here and there. It had my speakers set to large, and there were a few more things I had to change in there. What amp did you get? Sorry if I missed an earlier post where you mentioned it. I only run my surround back speakers off the 07, using D-sonic Iceamps on my fronts, and Outlaws Monos on the center and side surrounds. Still sounds very good, couldnt be happier with the Elite.

[wingnut4772]

Mine was off with the speaker distances, a few feet here and there. It had my speakers set to large, and there were a few more things I had to change in there. What amp did you get? Sorry if I missed an earlier post where you mentioned it. I only run my surround back speakers off the 07, using D-sonic Iceamps on my fronts, and Outlaws Monos on the center and side surrounds. Still sounds very good, couldnt be happier with the Elite.

Waiting on a Parasound 5250...I like my Pioneer too.:)

[disneyjoe7]

Yep. My MCAAC was way off though. Using the SPL was way more than fine tuning. Just waiting on my amp....


I found mine dead on :confused:


Using a 84 with a tri-pod sitting Mic at ear level at sweet spot. I also shut of all ceiling fans and any noise in the room, stand out of room and hit go. Just beautiful I couldn't ever match it so well if done myself, one of the strong points of Pioneer IMHO.

[wingnut4772]

I found mine dead on :confused:


Using a 84 with a tri-pod sitting Mic at ear level at sweet spot. I also shut of all ceiling fans and any noise in the room, stand out of room and hit go. Just beautiful I couldn't ever match it so well if done myself, one of the strong points of Pioneer IMHO.

I did all that too. Tripod, no ac etc...I do have a huge room. Maybe that has something to do with it.

[disneyjoe7]

Also about this MCAAC the Mic was facing to ceiling. My over room is like 20x20x10' ceilings, but my viewing area in this room is like 15x12' not sure if this helps but there you have it.

[wingnut4772]

Also about this MCAAC the Mic was facing to ceiling. My over room is like 20x20x10' ceilings, but my viewing area in this room is like 15x12' not sure if this helps but there you have it.

Mine was angled toward the ceiling but not directly up. My room is about 26X27X12 and my viewing area is about 13x12.

[disneyjoe7]

Try it and let us know, it worked for me :)

[tboo72]

I had a vsx-49txi for a while. That thing was a tank.

[warlocks1]

I had an Elite 81 model running Martin Logan Clarity speakers and switched to my old Lexicon MC1 and Atlantic Technology a2000 amp (7x125 watts). The Lexicon and AT amp blew the Elite receiver out of the water. The Elite I have is a lower end receiver, but I still believe quality seperates are the way to go. To be far, I have never owned a $1500 plus receiver and the Lexicon, although old, is one hell of a processor.

[organ]

Hey Dan,
Love the thread. I've got a few questions about an Elite model. I'm planning to get the new entry level Elite. I think it's the 01-XTH or something. I'm planning to get it because I'm going to start a fresh HT.

So my question is, how would that receiver sound with Polk's new OWM 3 speakers? I'm thinking about getting 6 of those and use my PSW650 sub. Is the receiver overkill? I really want it because it's THX Ultra2 and I want the auto calibration. I'm stuck on the OWM because the new HT will be together with my 2ch set up. The 2ch set up will remain there so the speakers have to be small and I have to mount them on the wall. Do you think a system like this will reach reference level spl?

Thanks

[Sherardp]

the 01 is a great receiver also, if you can spare it in the budget I'd go with the 92 or 94 which was last yrs flagship models and can be had right around the same price as the 01. Overkill, hardly. You'll be fine with either model. I have listened to all of them while doing my homework and they all sound outstanding. The only one I have yet to hear or see is the king of the hill: the SC09.

[doggie750]

PM me if you want the best price on a 94. I went Value Electronics and Robert has the best price I have seen on the 94 and the new SC models.

temptation..............:D

[unc2701]

Hey, I've got an install question that you might have run into:

So, my friend has a Pioneer plasma with an SR+ jack. I've read that the SR protocol is basically a flavor of IR- what i want to do is use the SR output to feed into a Xantech distribution system. In other words, use TV as an IR detector. I can go the other direction (control the TV w/ xantech via a 794), but haven't been able to figure out if I can get the IR signals out of the TV.

The problem is that we're getting some major IR interference from the plasma- even when using plasma-proof detectors, so I figured what better detector than the one in the TV?

[mantis]

the 01 is a great receiver also, if you can spare it in the budget I'd go with the 92 or 94 which was last yrs flagship models and can be had right around the same price as the 01. Overkill, hardly. You'll be fine with either model. I have listened to all of them while doing my homework and they all sound outstanding. The only one I have yet to hear or see is the king of the hill: the SC09.

Great advise. I don't think the 01 is overkill. Pioneer Elite and polk 8 ohm speakers go together very well. I enjoy every polk/elite Install I do.

Looking for a 92 or 94 is excellent. You can get a killer still up to date receiver for less.

Good luck with your new HT,

Dan

[mantis]

Hey, I've got an install question that you might have run into:

So, my friend has a Pioneer plasma with an SR+ jack. I've read that the SR protocol is basically a flavor of IR- what i want to do is use the SR output to feed into a Xantech distribution system. In other words, use TV as an IR detector. I can go the other direction (control the TV w/ xantech via a 794), but haven't been able to figure out if I can get the IR signals out of the TV.

The problem is that we're getting some major IR interference from the plasma- even when using plasma-proof detectors, so I figured what better detector than the one in the TV?

Niles makes a plasma proof "detector" Ir sensor that works great. I have used it many times with no problems. Basically it has a "blue" filter which is where to plasma interference comes in. Now using the tv as a sensor I have not used along with a Ir repeater system. It's something you can try as the Pioner Sr system works basically the same way. It should pass any IR signal to your Ir system. If it doesn't work, Buy the Niles Sensor. Its cheap enough.

Dan

[BlueFox]

I need to order something since my 7100ES wont pass 1080p.


I believe the 7100ES will pass 1080P. Howver, it will not decode the latest surround sound formats. Go to this site for any Sony questions.
http://www.agoraquest.com/user.php?op=userinfo&uname=wilky

[Sherardp]

I believe the 7100ES will pass 1080P. Howver, it will not decode the latest surround sound formats. Go to this site for any Sony questions.
http://www.agoraquest.com/user.php?op=userinfo&uname=wilky

yep, Im a member there already, and I can promise you mine wouldnt pass it. Supposedly there was a possible way to do a board exchange in order to make it work, however that was only offered in Europe. Its bit too late anyway, I'm so content with my SC07 purchase I wont even look back. The new audio codecs sound freaking amazing decoded on the Elite.

[BlueFox]

yep, Im a member there already, and I can promise you mine wouldnt pass it. Supposedly there was a possible way to do a board exchange in order to make it work, however that was only offered in Europe. Its bit too late anyway, I'm so content with my SC07 purchase I wont even look back. The new audio codecs sound freaking amazing decoded on the Elite.


I bet the new Pioneers are great.

I feel Sony made a major mistake by dropping the digital amp design. With the 7100ES they fixed the problems thay had with the X000ES line of digital amps. As a 3000ES and 5000ES owner I am well aware of those isues. When I received my 7100ES I was impressed with the build quality and performance of it. It ran 4 LSi15s and an LSiC without any issues.

Currently, I am using it as a pre-amp connected to a Sunfire TGA-5400, and it works great. I will not be going to Blu-Ray for at least another year since the 7100ES used with a 9100ES DVD/SACD player connected via Ilink has both an excellent picture and sound.

Hopefully by then there will be a large number of pre-amps from all the manufacturers that handle all the latest video and souind standards.

[organ]

Dan and Sherardp,
Thanks for the help. I understand that the older models can be had at the same price but I'm planning to look for a dealer that sell both Polk and Pioneer. That way I'm hoping I can get a good price as a package deal.

I've been out of the HT game for a long time and I'm just starting to catch up now. Still learning about DD HD and stuff. I'm very excited and hope to have the system complete by late Dec. I noticed that the prices for great quality receivers these days just keep going down. I remember a time when the cheapest Elite receivers were over 1k.

Oh yeah, I'm still wondering if the system would be able to pull off reference level spl? I'm asking this because it seems the OWM3 are very small. I think they only use 4.5" woofers.

[Sherardp]

^ Organ set all your speakers to small in your receiver, get the biggest baddest sub you can afford, SVS/Epik/Ed are a few common ones on the board and you'll be perfectly ok with reference level material. Depending on how you calibrate, reference is pretty darn loud. But in any event, you'll be fine.

[organ]

Sherardp,
Thanks again. I was planning to get new subs for the 2ch set up but decided to get a HT instead. I will be using my PSW650. I'm currently using the 2ch system right now for HT. The psw650 is pretty bad ass. I'm sure it's not as powerful as the others you mentioned, but I feel it is sufficient for now (until the next upgrade bug bites).

[Berty]

Bought the 01 two weeks ago and this is a major upgrade over my Yamaha 1400. My setup sound great with this amp, way better than the Yam.

[Sherardp]

Bought the 01 two weeks ago and this is a major upgrade over my Yamaha 1400. My setup sound great with this amp, way better than the Yam.

Pictures or it didnt happen. Congrats on your purchase.

[MLZ]

For the simple two-channel world what do you'all think of the Pioneer Elite SX-A6-J for a home office setup (RTi8's, a CD and USB DAC from my PC for input). A basic stereo without any need for a second set of speakers or more inputs.

I have seen only one professional review which is at Playback Mag at http://magazine.playbackmag.net/playback/200808/?pg=225

[Grimster74]

Pictures or it didnt happen. Congrats on your purchase.

Funny, don't think I've seen pics of your new Elite yet! Gotta give a brother a hard time.:D

Rob

[Sherardp]

Funny, don't think I've seen pics of your new Elite yet! Gotta give a brother a hard time.:D

Rob

The SC-07

http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq227/gixxer_rydder/Theater%20Room/DSC00528.jpg

[mantis]

Dan and Sherardp,
Thanks for the help. I understand that the older models can be had at the same price but I'm planning to look for a dealer that sell both Polk and Pioneer. That way I'm hoping I can get a good price as a package deal.

I've been out of the HT game for a long time and I'm just starting to catch up now. Still learning about DD HD and stuff. I'm very excited and hope to have the system complete by late Dec. I noticed that the prices for great quality receivers these days just keep going down. I remember a time when the cheapest Elite receivers were over 1k.

Oh yeah, I'm still wondering if the system would be able to pull off reference level spl? I'm asking this because it seems the OWM3 are very small. I think they only use 4.5" woofers.
Check out Tweeter if you live near one. they carry both and you can listen before you buy.

Good luck with your purchase. Let me know how you make out.

Dan

[mantis]

The SC-07

http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq227/gixxer_rydder/Theater%20Room/DSC00528.jpg
The sc-07 is badass. How do you like it? What is your system config?. Talk to me brother.

Dan

[Sherardp]

I agree this thing is awesome, I like it. I ran the MCACC then went in and tweaked everything with the SPL meter. The sound is mind blowing. I think its an excellent piece for the price. System config is in my sig line, but Im running a full Rti setup(12s, Csi5, Fxi3s, 4s and dual SVS PB12/plus 2 subs) I have to admit it is amazing, my Sony 7100ES performed very well, however the Elite sounds better. More dynamic and clear. Even with music, it makes you feel like youre in a live performance. Very happy.

[olilugo]

Are you still using the external amps I see in your picture? if yes, did you try the sc-07 without the external amps?

[organ]

Check out Tweeter if you live near one. they carry both and you can listen before you buy.

Good luck with your purchase. Let me know how you make out.

Dan

Thanks Dan. No Tweeter here in Canada. I found a dealer downtown selling the 01 for $799 CDN (that's the retail I believe). So I'm still gonna try to bargain. But problem is, they don't sell Polk. I'm gonna search for a dealer that sell both Polk and Pioneer.

I'll let you know how it goes when I get the system up and running. I'll post a thread here w/pics. I should have the money to get them by late Dec.

[Sherardp]

Are you still using the external amps I see in your picture? if yes, did you try the sc-07 without the external amps?

When I initially installed the SC-07 I ran my setup off of it shortly just to see what it sound like. And I have zero doubts that the Pio could handle the load. However since I do have the D-Sonic IceAmps and the Outlaw Monos, I just went ahead stuck with them in my setup, if that makes since. The D-Sonic 1000S I have gives me 525 watts x2 to the Rti12s, the Elite cant give me that.

[mantis]

Thanks Dan. No Tweeter here in Canada. I found a dealer downtown selling the 01 for $799 CDN (that's the retail I believe). So I'm still gonna try to bargain. But problem is, they don't sell Polk. I'm gonna search for a dealer that sell both Polk and Pioneer.

I'll let you know how it goes when I get the system up and running. I'll post a thread here w/pics. I should have the money to get them by late Dec.
Shame. But if you want to take my word on it, Rt series and Elite go together extremely well. I really like the sound of every job I do with this combo. The inwalls smoke man, with Elite receivers they really shine.

Dan

[mantis]

When I initially installed the SC-07 I ran my setup off of it shortly just to see what it sound like. And I have zero doubts that the Pio could handle the load. However since I do have the D-Sonic IceAmps and the Outlaw Monos, I just went ahead stuck with them in my setup, if that makes since. The D-Sonic 1000S I have gives me 525 watts x2 to the Rti12s, the Elite cant give me that.

After listening to your system as it is, I would like to hear what you think with the built in ICE amps. I find them to be very very good. Strong and very clear. Much Dynamics especially with 8 ohm load speakers. You should pull all the external amps and try this out for a week. I ber we see your amps up for sale as I know you don't need all that extra power. Maybe you do , but my money would be on the Internal amps being shocking.

Dan

[Berty]

Thanks Dan. No Tweeter here in Canada. I found a dealer downtown selling the 01 for $799 CDN (that's the retail I believe). So I'm still gonna try to bargain. But problem is, they don't sell Polk. I'm gonna search for a dealer that sell both Polk and Pioneer.

I'll let you know how it goes when I get the system up and running. I'll post a thread here w/pics. I should have the money to get them by late Dec.

I bought my 01 at $725 but on another forum in Quebec a guy had it for $680

[Sherardp]

After listening to your system as it is, I would like to hear what you think with the built in ICE amps. I find them to be very very good. Strong and very clear. Much Dynamics especially with 8 ohm load speakers. You should pull all the external amps and try this out for a week. I ber we see your amps up for sale as I know you don't need all that extra power. Maybe you do , but my money would be on the Internal amps being shocking.

Dan

I'll definitely give this a shot when time permits just to A/B the comparisons. I love the sound of Iceamps. My D-Sonic shines, trust me. Very clear and detailed.

[organ]

Shame. But if you want to take my word on it, Rt series and Elite go together extremely well. I really like the sound of every job I do with this combo. The inwalls smoke man, with Elite receivers they really shine.

Dan

Change of plans. Gonna have to go Klipsch instead. Hope it works out great with the Elite. Reason is, I already have a pair of RF-35 not in use. So all I really need is just the RC-35 center and gonna get a pair of small surrounds. I really do love the sound of horns and the extra dynamic range they produce.

Don't want to de-rail, but just a quick question. My RF-35's are not magnetically shielded. Would this present a problem if they're placed VERY close to an LCD display?

Thanks

[John K.]

CRT TVs use internal magnetic fields to create the picture, so an external magnetic field, such as from a nearby unshielded speaker, can interfere with this and distort the pucture. LCDs and other non-CRT sets don't depend on magnetic fields for their operation and so aren't affected by unshielded speakers.

[mantis]

Change of plans. Gonna have to go Klipsch instead. Hope it works out great with the Elite. Reason is, I already have a pair of RF-35 not in use. So all I really need is just the RC-35 center and gonna get a pair of small surrounds. I really do love the sound of horns and the extra dynamic range they produce.

Don't want to de-rail, but just a quick question. My RF-35's are not magnetically shielded. Would this present a problem if they're placed VERY close to an LCD display?

Thanks

I did a dedicated home theater with all Klipsch reference in wall speakers and a in ceiling center channel. One Klipsch sub in the back of the room(which I perfer upfront but Prewired by someone else). The receiver was a vsx01tx with a Sony BDP350 Blu ray player and cablebox. Ipod source , AM/FM and thats it. We ran Indiana Jones on Blu ray and the blast scene was dynamic as I ever heard a system. Klipsch speakers are extremely dymanic and awesome for theater use. The only thing I found was the system is a bit ear bleeding at times. It kicks you right in the face and punches you out of your seat. When something blows up, so does the entire theater room.WOW impressive if you like it that way.

The Elite is a good choice for Klipsch speakers as when they are mated with yamaha, I can't stand the end results. Way over bright.

[organ]

Thanks again guys. I just have to get my receiver, center speaker and surrounds now.

I went ahead and placed my RF-35's beside my TV. Doing a simple 2ch set up for now. Wow, Dan, you're absolutely correct. These guys can really pound you when called upon. The sound is very raw just like what I hear in movie theatres. I love it.

Having a small bass issue right now. The RF-35's can be a little boomy at times because they have the rear ports and I can only place the speakers less than away 6" from the front wall. I don't see this being a problem once I get the Pioneer and cut off the LF at 80Hz or higher.

Glad to hear the Elite/Klipsch combo works out great.

[organ]

Sorry, guys, I still have some questions. I want to get the HT right the first time.

I"ll be using a PS3 as source into the 01TXH receiver. After reading the PS3 thread, I found out that the console won't bitstream Dolby HD. Instead the signal is processed in the PS3 and sent out as high bit rate PCM via HDMI.

Can the THX mode still be used for multi channel PCM input using HDMI? The THX feature is one reason I want the 01TXH. Also, the auto calibration feature should still work, right?

thanks

[Sherardp]

Sorry, guys, I still have some questions. I want to get the HT right the first time.

I"ll be using a PS3 as source into the 01TXH receiver. After reading the PS3 thread, I found out that the console won't bitstream Dolby HD. Instead the signal is processed in the PS3 and sent out as high bit rate PCM via HDMI.

Can the THX mode still be used for multi channel PCM input using HDMI? The THX feature is one reason I want the 01TXH. Also, the auto calibration feature should still work, right?

thanks

yes all features can still be used with the ps3 sending pcm to the elite. Auto calibration has nothing to do with your source and is in the software of the elite itself so youre good there as well. trust me you wont regret your purchase.

[MADGSF]

Got another question for you Dan. On my VSX54tx does the MACC apply to the multi channel inputs? I ask cause I am going blue ray later this year and am not sure if I need to upgrade my AVR or not. If it doesn't I will look at a new pre of some sort but if it does that frees up more funds for other stuff.

On an unrelated note what do you think of the BDP-51FD for blue ray and audio?

[Sherardp]

Got another question for you Dan. On my VSX54tx does the MACC apply to the multi channel inputs? I ask cause I am going blue ray later this year and am not sure if I need to upgrade my AVR or not. If it doesn't I will look at a new pre of some sort but if it does that frees up more funds for other stuff.

On an unrelated note what do you think of the BDP-51FD for blue ray and audio?

Yes MCACC does apply to multichannel inputs. As for the 51 I would wait it out until April if you can and purchase one of the new Pioneer 2.0 profile BD players. Faster loads times would be the major reason, BD Live, firmware upgrades over Lan are bonuses that are included.

[MADGSF]

Thanks Sherardp, I think I will keep the pre I have and get a BDP with analog outs. I could not determine how those inputs wre treated and did not want to have to control BDP volume and channel levels from the player.

I am on the fence with regards to the BDP but saving money on a pre will help free up funds for a nicer one. I have read the later firmware for the 51 sped up load times and improved picture quality. Not very interested in the BD Live feature and there are some great prices on the 51 now. My current TV will handle 1080i and thought about getting one for up converting until I get a new TV.

Any feed back on how the Pioneer BDP are for 2 channel listening?

[mantis]

Got another question for you Dan. On my VSX54tx does the MACC apply to the multi channel inputs? I ask cause I am going blue ray later this year and am not sure if I need to upgrade my AVR or not. If it doesn't I will look at a new pre of some sort but if it does that frees up more funds for other stuff.

On an unrelated note what do you think of the BDP-51FD for blue ray and audio?
Yes the Mcacc works for everything. It's a room calibration which is applied to everything.
The BDP-51fd is a nice player but the 05 is a bit nicer. We have both and the 05 sounds better running 2 channel . The Wolfson Dac's really make a difference. Big difference from the Burr Brown's of yesteryear.

Dan

[mantis]

Thanks Sherardp, I think I will keep the pre I have and get a BDP with analog outs. I could not determine how those inputs wre treated and did not want to have to control BDP volume and channel levels from the player.

I am on the fence with regards to the BDP but saving money on a pre will help free up funds for a nicer one. I have read the later firmware for the 51 sped up load times and improved picture quality. Not very interested in the BD Live feature and there are some great prices on the 51 now. My current TV will handle 1080i and thought about getting one for up converting until I get a new TV.

Any feed back on how the Pioneer BDP are for 2 channel listening?
The Elite is like a reference cd player. This is nothing new with Elite Blu or DVD players. They use high quality DACs( Burr Brown) and now the Wolfson DAC's. Excellent players as I have been replacing deadicated players with these in 2 channel systems with excellent results.
Now if it only played SACD and DVD AUDIO.....

[digitalvideo]

If you want to buy a Pioneer I recommend the VSX01 which shares 90% of all the main features as the sc05/07 but will only cost around $550 on ebay where as the sc07 will cost over $1350.
All four receivers sc-05/07, VSX-03, VSX-01 do new lossless formats ("DTS-HD Master Audio, DTS-HD High Resolution, Dolby® TrueHD and Dolby® Digital Plus" ) and room tuning.
Pioneer®'s full line of A/V receivers work seamlessly with Pioneer's 2008 KURO displays and Blu-ray Disc® players to deliver the ultimate HD picture and sound performance for a truly emotional response in the living room.
The Elite VSX-03TXH and VSX-01TXH join Pioneer's leading receiver from 2007 - the VSX-94TXH - to round out the entire 2008 offering. All three models flawlessly pass a 1080p picture with full reproduction capabilities of all new high resolution audio formats.

That was from Pioneer's own official press release.

All the Pioneer recievers (sc-07/05, VSX05, VSX01 all share the same main most important features and foundation and the "few" little extra features the sc-05/07 add on is NOT worth almost $1000 more. The higher end sc-7/05 offers more HDMI ports and more s-video ports and a "few" other things that are not worth the price. How many HDMI ports do you need today since plasma/lcd's, blu-ray players, recievers now make it easier to connect with fewer HDMI wires as companies compete to simplify the connections for the consumer?

Here are the specs of the VSX01 and SC-07:

http://cgi.ebay.com/PIONEER-VSX-01TXH-VSX01TXH-RECEIVER-BRAND-NEW-FREE-SHIP_W0QQitemZ170295703485QQcmdZViewItemQQptZRecei vers_Tuners?hash=item170295703485&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1234%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50

http://cgi.ebay.com/Pioneer-Elite-SC-07-7-1-Channel-HT-Receiver-SC07-NEW_W0QQitemZ220352069516QQcmdZViewItemQQptZReceiv ers_Tuners?hash=item220352069516&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1234%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50

[digitalvideo]

When it comes to which speakers to use, the best bang for the buck is the Onkyo SKS-HT540 7.1 system which gives you 7 big speakers and huge sound for around $280 dollars, people are raving about it on amazon.com and trading in their Boston Acoustics MCS100 and MCS130 systems for the Onkyo. The Onkyo is giving bigger sound than many systems costing over $1000.

For around $280 dollars look at what you get:
7.1 channel speaker package
130 watts total output on 2-way bass reflex front, center, and surround speakers
Bass reflex powered subwoofer with 230 watts output
Front and center 2-way speakers feature 5" diaphragm woofers and 1" balanced floating tweeter
Surround speakers feature a 3 1/8" cone woofer and a 3/4" balanced dome tweeter
Subwoofer construction includes a 10" cone driver.

Check the specs and reviews from people at amazon.com about the best bang for the buck for speakers -

http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-SKS-HT540-Channel-Theater-Speaker/dp/B000GU78Z4/ref=pd_bbs_7?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1234921827&sr=8-7

[mantis]

If you want to buy a Pioneer I recommend the VSX01 which shares 90% of all the main features as the sc05/07 but will only cost around $550 on ebay where as the sc07 will cost over $1350.
All four receivers sc-05/07, VSX-03, VSX-01 do new lossless formats ("DTS-HD Master Audio, DTS-HD High Resolution, Dolby® TrueHD and Dolby® Digital Plus" ) and room tuning.
Pioneer®'s full line of A/V receivers work seamlessly with Pioneer's 2008 KURO displays and Blu-ray Disc® players to deliver the ultimate HD picture and sound performance for a truly emotional response in the living room.
The Elite VSX-03TXH and VSX-01TXH join Pioneer's leading receiver from 2007 - the VSX-94TXH - to round out the entire 2008 offering. All three models flawlessly pass a 1080p picture with full reproduction capabilities of all new high resolution audio formats.

That was from Pioneer's own official press release.

All the Pioneer recievers (sc-07/05, VSX05, VSX01 all share the same main most important features and foundation and the "few" little extra features the sc-05/07 add on is NOT worth almost $1000 more. The higher end sc-7/05 offers more HDMI ports and more s-video ports and a "few" other things that are not worth the price. How many HDMI ports do you need today since plasma/lcd's, blu-ray players, recievers now make it easier to connect with fewer HDMI wires as companies compete to simplify the connections for the consumer?

Here are the specs of the VSX01 and SC-07:

http://cgi.ebay.com/PIONEER-VSX-01TXH-VSX01TXH-RECEIVER-BRAND-NEW-FREE-SHIP_W0QQitemZ170295703485QQcmdZViewItemQQptZRecei vers_Tuners?hash=item170295703485&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1234%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50

http://cgi.ebay.com/Pioneer-Elite-SC-07-7-1-Channel-HT-Receiver-SC07-NEW_W0QQitemZ220352069516QQcmdZViewItemQQptZReceiv ers_Tuners?hash=item220352069516&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1234%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50
I agree with most of what you are saying here but the 01 does not fit the bill for all speaker packages.
The 05/07 have Ice amps as the 01/03 do not. They sound better and have better dynamic range compared. Taking nothing away from the 01/03 I perfer the 07. If I was building a new system with lets say Def Tech Mythos ST's , I would use the Sc07 (Hmmm I may like this for myself....) but if I was building a Rtia system, I would consider the 01 if I only needed 3 HDMI inputs. Now my personal needs are different , I need 5 HDMI inputs so I might want to get the Sc09. I could make due with 4 and go Analog with SACD/DVD audio but everything over HDMi would be very nice and clean.

[mantis]

When it comes to which speakers to use, the best bang for the buck is the Onkyo SKS-HT540 7.1 system which gives you 7 big speakers and huge sound for around $280 dollars, people are raving about it on amazon.com and trading in their Boston Acoustics MCS100 and MCS130 systems for the Onkyo. The Onkyo is giving bigger sound than many systems costing over $1000.

For around $280 dollars look at what you get:
7.1 channel speaker package
130 watts total output on 2-way bass reflex front, center, and surround speakers
Bass reflex powered subwoofer with 230 watts output
Front and center 2-way speakers feature 5" diaphragm woofers and 1" balanced floating tweeter
Surround speakers feature a 3 1/8" cone woofer and a 3/4" balanced dome tweeter
Subwoofer construction includes a 10" cone driver.

Check the specs and reviews from people at amazon.com about the best bang for the buck for speakers -

http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-SKS-HT540-Channel-Theater-Speaker/dp/B000GU78Z4/ref=pd_bbs_7?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1234921827&sr=8-7

This is a Pioneer Elite thread, Onkyo's are not welcome here. Make a new Thread about this.

[MikeC78]

The BDP-51fd is a nice player but the 05 is a bit nicer. We have both and the 05 sounds better running 2 channel . The Wolfson Dac's really make a difference. Big difference from the Burr Brown's of yesteryear.


Dan,

From what I read there is not that much difference between the two, besides cosmetics. Kinda strange the 05 sounds better than the 51 to you.

Internal differences:
-05FD has higher quality analog component video DAC.
-05FD can use HDMI for audio WITHOUT using HDMI for video. 51FD requires you use HDMI for video in order to support HDMI for audio.

Cosmetic differences:
-05FD has touch capacitance controls vs. buttons on the 51FD
-05FD has glossy black metal front plate (likely to enable touch cap.) vs. glossy black plastic front plate on the 51FD
-05FD has gold plated rear terminals vs. standard terminals on the 51FD
-05FD has primarily gold highlights vs. silver highlights on the 51FD
-05FD has amber LED display vs. white LED display on the 51FD
-05FD remote has metal buttons vs. plastic buttons on 51FD - enter button feels cheap on both, however.
-05FD has Elite badge, 51FD does not.

Other differences:
-05FD has a 2yr warranty, 51FD only has a 1yr warranty.

Non-differences:
-Both have the same analog audio DACs
-Both have identical output quality over HDMI (Audio & Video)
-Both have the Pioneer-specific PQLS jitter-elimination circuit
-Both have a general jitter-reduction circuit
-Both support the same sound formats, have the same outputs, and support the same features in software
-Both are of the same general build quality
-Both use the same firmware

Source: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1054927

[digitalvideo]

Pioneer has some new recievers coming out in April that are affordable and they filtered down many of the features from the '08 Elite models which most companies do and added in some new features for '09. The new Pioneer VSX-1019AH offers 4 HDMI ports.

http://i.gizmodo.com/5125654/pioneers-low+priced-av-receivers-have-full-digital-ipodiphone-connectivity

[Falcon01]

Pioneer has some new recievers coming out in April that are affordable and they filtered down many of the features from the '08 Elite models which most companies do and added in some new features for '09. The new Pioneer VSX-1019AH offers 4 HDMI ports.

http://i.gizmodo.com/5125654/pioneers-low+priced-av-receivers-have-full-digital-ipodiphone-connectivity

NICE. Thanks for that info. These will probably be available in Bestbuy so I'll be checking them out. Hopefully the 1019 will have good DACs in it.