Best powered Subwoofer out there?

[Motzart]

I'm on the hunt for a thumper that won't break the bank.
Over the years I have heard that Velodyne is one of the best....is this true?

I used to have a CT-100 and I sold it like an idiot....shoulda kept it.
I have a 8in older polk PSW120 but it just don't have the "punch" I want.
I wanna sell it and get a worthy 10 or 12in replacement.
I wanna get something I'm happy with cuz I can't keep swapping out subs.

I'm looking for a versitile use Home Theater typa deal.
The Velodyne DPS-10 catches my eye.

Need your input cuz this is gonna be my last purchase for a while!

[Keiko]

I've heard good things about HSU/Epik subs. I'm sure others will chime in with recommendations. Try doing a search also for some ideas.

http://www.hsuresearch.com/subwoofers.html

http://www.epiksubwoofers.com/Products.html

[Keiko]

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=300-635

[janmike]

I am sure there are lots to select from, but I am really happy with the SVS I purchased a few years ago. Definitely worth a look. Good luck.

[Motzart]

Is Dayton any good?
Never really heard of em but I see the boast some real high powered amps!

[mantis]

Look into Martin Logan. I feel they make the best overall subs for the money. Musical and theater is excellent. The Dynamo and Grotto are not expensive and are so impressive.

Tweeter is going out of business so you could pick one up there cheap.

Dan

[Motzart]

Look into Martin Logan. I feel they make the best overall subs for the money. Musical and theater is excellent. The Dynamo and Grotto are not expensive and are so impressive.

Tweeter is going out of business so you could pick one up there cheap.

Dan

No Tweeter near me! :(
What is "Not expensive"?

[Motzart]

There is a ML dealer near me but NOTHING they sell is cheap.....very high end store!!

[Sherardp]

SVS or Epik should hold you down for a very long time.

[Motzart]

In my snooping around I found a "PROFICIENT S12 SUB WITH A NEW DAYTON 250W AMP & REMOTE". (It's actually 150watts @8ohm) This can be had for $203.00
Worth a ponder or no?

http://i10.ebayimg.com/01/i/001/1b/2b/7290_3.JPG
http://i10.ebayimg.com/08/i/001/1b/2b/5cd1_3.JPG

[mantis]

No Tweeter near me! :(
What is "Not expensive"?
Both subs are under a grand. To me thats cheap for a sub. And now with Tweeter selling most stuff at 30 to 50 % off , you probably can pick one up for a couple hundred bucks. You would be getting a high class sub for half off.

[Audio NUT]

try the klipsch there are two available at best buy one is higher priced, I bought the lower priced and its just fine and not to expensive..I have enough rattling of my glasses using this I dont need more to start damaging my plasma

[McLoki]

The only way a sub from best buy would damage a plasma is if you threw it at the TV....

[Motzart]

Both subs are under a grand. To me thats cheap for a sub. And now with Tweeter selling most stuff at 30 to 50 % off , you probably can pick one up for a couple hundred bucks. You would be getting a high class sub for half off.


That woulda been great but it's like a bizzilion miles to get to one from here. :(

[pearsall001]

That woulda been great but it's like a bizzilion miles to get to one from here. :(

Run with the big dogs...Velodyne!!!! Everyone else is still playing catch up.

[TNRabbit]

What is your price range, Motzart? Epik, Velodyne, SVS all make good, relatively inexpensive subs. If you are truly looking for the BEST as you stated in your first post, you'll want DIY sub about the size of a closet. JL Audio makes the GOTHAM, which is freakin' awesome, but also costs about $12k.....so......what is your price point?

[MikeC78]

Actually, I believe it's the other way around... Velodyne has a long way to "catch up" with the internet based companies.

[MikeC78]

What is your price range, Motzart? Epik, Velodyne, SVS all make good, relatively inexpensive subs. If you are truly looking for the BEST as you stated in your first post, you'll want DIY sub about the size of a closet. JL Audio makes the GOTHAM, which is freakin' awesome, but also costs about $12k.....so......what is your price point?

The gotham is nice; however, you can grab dual f113's and they'd out do the gotham for half the price.

[be83663]

Definitely consider Velodyne Subwoofers for their quality and price!!! :)

[Motzart]

Trying to keep it under $300 and want at least a 10-12in @ 120-150watts

[thsmith]

Trying to keep it under $300 and want at least a 10-12in @ 120-150watts

What are your room deminsions ? is it closed or open to other areas of your house ?

Surprised no one has asked that very important question.

If your room is 10'x10'x8' a $300 sub will be ok but if you are approaching 1500^3 or larger you are wasting your money. Save 300 more and buy a HSU 33 that is onsale right now.

If your room is approaching 4000^3 then go with the SVS PB13 but that is 5X more than you want to spend.

[SolidSqual]

Actually, I believe it's the other way around... Velodyne has a long way to "catch up" with the internet based companies.

You can't be serious? Velodyne has been on the forefront as much as anyone else. They use Class D which some say don't perform as well as A/B amps that some higher manufacturers use, but come on. How many sub makes include a remote and microphone to easily tweak your sub from the listening position?

What has SVS done that is so exceptional in terms of technology? They just make a decent product that's affordable. IMO Hsu makes a better sub and has taken a leap forward with they new wireless subs. Epik is no different than SVS other than the fact that they use massive drivers and build a good cabinet. How have they developed the forefront?

Emotiva is making several new subs that will have a proprietary amp designed by the company themselves as well as tweaking with a remote and computer based GUI. These are the subs I'm waiting for. Emotiva may be a small company that's pushing the forefront, but companies like Velodyne were the first to implement the ideas.

[slone]

I have two JL F112's that will pretty much rattle ur teeth.;)

[Motzart]

What are your room deminsions ? is it closed or open to other areas of your house ?

Surprised no one has asked that very important question.

If your room is 10'x10'x8' a $300 sub will be ok but if you are approaching 1500^3 or larger you are wasting your money. Save 300 more and buy a HSU 33 that is onsale right now.

If your room is approaching 4000^3 then go with the SVS PB13 but that is 5X more than you want to spend.

I have a odd sized small living room.
It's 10ft wide.....15ft long and 8ft ceiling.
Partly open on one side and open on the long end.
It's a goofy setup! :o

So I really need a high dispersing sub to get the most out of it.
Another I have been researching that's reasonable price is a Yamaha SW315 with the QD Bass system.

[kolky]

If you want to keep it around $300 I think this is one of the best you could get. It would be $350 shipped.

http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_41&products_id=407

If you check Craigsub list there is pretty much nothing that touches it for that price.

[pearsall001]

Actually, I believe it's the other way around... Velodyne has a long way to "catch up" with the internet based companies.

Sorry...but I've already traveled down that ID road. Now for my hard earned money, I need not look any further than the Velo SPL-R series. The other subs I've tried (both ID & loaners from dealers) were terrific for HT but laid a huge goosegg for 2 channel listening. The Velo is truly awesome at both, that's enough to keep me happy & smiling.

Velo has always set the pace for technology advances, offers a tremendous lineup to fit a multitude of budgets. There R&D is second to none & it shows.

[gtu2004]

If you want to keep it around $300 I think this is one of the best you could get. It would be $350 shipped.

http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_41&products_id=407

If you check Craigsub list there is pretty much nothing that touches it for that price.

free shipping? damn, i should've gotten this over my used SVS PB10 for $330 shipped...

[Fatbrando]

Velodyne HGS series. Get the biggest one. Houseshaking...

FB

[Motzart]

Thanx for all the input Guys!

Still not quite sure what I'm gonna get but I found a Yamaha YST-SW315 that looks to be top on my list.

How do these specs look?

Advanced YST Technology •
QD Bass Technology •
High Efficiency Power Amplifier •
Multi-Range Driver 10" Cone
Magnetic Shielding •
High Cut Filter 40 - 140 Hz
Phase Control (Normal or Reverse) •
Auto Standby •
BASS (Bass Action Selector system) •
Dynamic Power 270W
Frequency Response 20 - 160 Hz (-10 dB)

Impressive dip to 20hz!! :eek:

Your thoughts?

[SolidSqual]

Thanx for all the input Guys!

Still not quite sure what I'm gonna get but I found a Yamaha YST-SW315 that looks to be top on my list.

How do these specs look?

Advanced YST Technology •
QD Bass Technology •
High Efficiency Power Amplifier •
Multi-Range Driver 10" Cone
Magnetic Shielding •
High Cut Filter 40 - 140 Hz
Phase Control (Normal or Reverse) •
Auto Standby •
BASS (Bass Action Selector system) •
Dynamic Power 270W
Frequency Response 20 - 160 Hz (-10 dB)

Impressive dip to 20hz!! :eek:

Your thoughts?

Specs are for people who believe what they read. Hearing is believing. It may go down to 20hz but if it sounds like a garbage disposal then what's it worth?????

[kolky]

Thanx for all the input Guys!

Still not quite sure what I'm gonna get but I found a Yamaha YST-SW315 that looks to be top on my list.

How do these specs look?

Advanced YST Technology •
QD Bass Technology •
High Efficiency Power Amplifier •
Multi-Range Driver 10" Cone
Magnetic Shielding •
High Cut Filter 40 - 140 Hz
Phase Control (Normal or Reverse) •
Auto Standby •
BASS (Bass Action Selector system) •
Dynamic Power 270W
Frequency Response 20 - 160 Hz (-10 dB)

Impressive dip to 20hz!! :eek:

Your thoughts?


It may hit 20hz but I wonder at what decibel level.

The A2-300 I provided the link for above has a response of 18-100hz.

Another you may want to look at is this. $239 and it has received may good reviews from people who have used it.

http://www.theaudioinsider.com/product_info.php/loudspeakers/acculine/p/acculine-asub/cPath/21_32/products_id/68

BIC Accoustech also has one that is supposed to be cheap and very good.

[Ron Temple]

Thanx for all the input Guys!

Still not quite sure what I'm gonna get but I found a Yamaha YST-SW315 that looks to be top on my list.

How do these specs look?

Advanced YST Technology •
QD Bass Technology •
High Efficiency Power Amplifier •
Multi-Range Driver 10" Cone
Magnetic Shielding •
High Cut Filter 40 - 140 Hz
Phase Control (Normal or Reverse) •
Auto Standby •
BASS (Bass Action Selector system) •
Dynamic Power 270W
Frequency Response 20 - 160 Hz (-10 dB)

Impressive dip to 20hz!! :eek:

Your thoughts?If it's 10dbs down at 20hz, it's unlikely it's usable on an entry level sub. If you're really looking for a bargain try this...

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=300-394

This is the Hsu design based on the venerable STF 3. You'll get very real 20hz performance and great output. Sure it's fugly, but it will perform.

[Motzart]

Well I did ask for your honest opinion! :rolleyes:

Honestly I can't afford over $300 total...too close to Christmas.
I wish I could afford about $400+ but......:(

[Ron Temple]

Well I did ask for your honest opinion! :rolleyes:

Honestly I can't afford over $300 total...too close to Christmas.
I wish I could afford about $400+ but......:(The sub I linked to is $300 w/free shipping.

Here is another budget sub that I've heard and it's very decent.

http://www.cadencestore.com/ProductCart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=137&idproduct=396

[kolky]

If it's 10dbs down at 20hz, it's unlikely it's usable on an entry level sub. If you're really looking for a bargain try this...

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=300-394

This is the Hsu design based on the venerable STF 3. You'll get very real 20hz performance and great output. Sure it's fugly, but it will perform.

I considered that sub when I was getting mine. Wish I could have seen some reviews. I'm sure if it's a HSU design it rocks.

The thing that kept me away is that it is out of stock until mid-February.

[Keiko]

WoW! The Cadence looks to be a good bang for the buck sub. You've heard it Ron? How well does it perform? I may consider trying one of those myself.

[Ron Temple]

I considered that sub when I was getting mine. Wish I could have seen some reviews. I'm sure if it's a HSU design it rocks.

The thing that kept me away is that it is out of stock until mid-February.Oops, I didn't notice that. The 10" model has gotten good reviews, it's a STF 2 clone, but it's not listed on the site any longer, so it's probably OOS too.


WoW! The Cadence looks to be a good bang for the buck sub. You've heard it Ron? How well does it perform? I may consider trying one of those myself. I bought a CSX 15 for my son for Xmas and a buddy bought his dad a CSX 12. We both did little mini reviews on AVS and AH (his is better), but Cadence linked them on their site...look on the CSX 15 page. Anyway the CSX 12 is a very solid performer down to ~ 25hz, quite a lot of output and midbass punch. The CSX 15 is more articulate and powerful, but not by much. I owned the previous XSub12 which was an excellent budget performer...did a comparison with the Bic H100, which was slightly better, but the CSX 12 owns them both. They are not quite in the ED class, but the CSX12 can be had for ~ $250 shipped or less with ebay discounts or Cadence's online coupons.

[thsmith]

Thanx for all the input Guys!

Still not quite sure what I'm gonna get but I found a Yamaha YST-SW315 that looks to be top on my list.

How do these specs look?

Advanced YST Technology •
QD Bass Technology •
High Efficiency Power Amplifier •
Multi-Range Driver 10" Cone
Magnetic Shielding •
High Cut Filter 40 - 140 Hz
Phase Control (Normal or Reverse) •
Auto Standby •
BASS (Bass Action Selector system) •
Dynamic Power 270W
Frequency Response 20 - 160 Hz (-10 dB)

Impressive dip to 20hz!! :eek:

Your thoughts?

I can not comment on this sub. Ron Temple has some experience with the Cadence subs and I think he said they were pretty good.

[rdb2001]

????

[Motzart]

Oops, I didn't notice that. The 10" model has gotten good reviews, it's a STF 2 clone, but it's not listed on the site any longer, so it's probably OOS too.

I bought a CSX 15 for my son for Xmas and a buddy bought his dad a CSX 12. We both did little mini reviews on AVS and AH (his is better), but Cadence linked them on their site...look on the CSX 15 page. Anyway the CSX 12 is a very solid performer down to ~ 25hz, quite a lot of output and midbass punch. The CSX 15 is more articulate and powerful, but not by much. I owned the previous XSub12 which was an excellent budget performer...did a comparison with the Bic H100, which was slightly better, but the CSX 12 owns them both. They are not quite in the ED class, but the CSX12 can be had for ~ $250 shipped or less with ebay discounts or Cadence's online coupons.

$250 or less would be nice but I see that nowhere right now.
Best I can do is $269 shipped with my 10% paypal discount coupon. :(

[rdb2001]

$250 or less would be nice but I see that nowhere right now.
Best I can do is $269 shipped with my 10% paypal discount coupon. :(

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I am with you on the budget. While overhauling my gear I wanted to find a good subwoofer at a good price til I was able to afford what I really wanted. I bought a Boston Acoustics Horizon Series HPS12HO Subwoofer and received it friday. It was purchased from one call on amazon shipped for 216. I absolutely love it. I think this is a good sub. I bought it on the name of boston acoustics having never heard it. Some might not agree but I think for the price that I got it for it cant be beat and its well within your budget.

Link to amazon
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B000W99CRG/ref=dp_olp_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1226795104&sr=8-1

Link to boston
http://www.bostonacoustics.com/HPS-12HO-P172.aspx

[Ron Temple]

$250 or less would be nice but I see that nowhere right now.
Best I can do is $269 shipped with my 10% paypal discount coupon. :(There's usually an online coupon that will work on their site

TENOFF ... or maybe lower caps, IDK ... just from memory. Also, there have been a couple of ebay offerings for up 30% from a couple of sites...live.com is one of them, but I really don't know the details. Someone here should chime in or contact Cadence on Monday.

[mmadden28]

If it's 10dbs down at 20hz, it's unlikely it's usable on an entry level sub. If you're really looking for a bargain try this...

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=300-394

This is the Hsu design based on the venerable STF 3. You'll get very real 20hz performance and great output. Sure it's fugly, but it will perform.

Its out of stock until Feb 2009 :eek:

[be83663]

For a $300 budget, seriously consider Velodyne DPS-10 from Amazon.com!!!
Here is a link

http://www.amazon.com/Velodyne-DPS-10-10-Subwoofer/dp/B0002MPM7W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1226807970&sr=1-1

:)

[Shannon W.]

I had a Velodyne for my first sub and for the $$$ you can't go wrong, but I sold it and UPS totally trashed it in shipping. So after that I stepped up to the SvS PB12+2 and (OMFG!) that was one heck of a upgrade once I got my Velodyne sms-1 hooked up to it. Now my whole house shakes.
here is a picture of the ceiling of my dining room after I finished watching Transformers. I ended up breaking the key in the Lath and plaster. needless to say my wife liked to had a cow.

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t52/Imlow78/DSC00082-1.jpg

Shannon

[mmadden28]

^^^ Sweet ^^^ ;):cool:

[Shannon W.]

The wife didn't think so.. LoL, But she got over it.

Shannon

[Keiko]

LOL...Transformers transformed, err ummm deformed your house. Sounds like a good sub but I'll pass on that one. Thanks for the info RT.

[Motzart]

For a $300 budget, seriously consider Velodyne DPS-10 from Amazon.com!!!
Here is a link

http://www.amazon.com/Velodyne-DPS-10-10-Subwoofer/dp/B0002MPM7W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1226807970&sr=1-1

:)

Well I DID get a Velo DSP-10 but not from there.
$225 shipped NIB.
Was up on the bay on a $250 BIN and I had a PP coupon for 10% off.

Now that's not a bad deal!!!

I greatly appreciate everyones input on this!

The Cadence was VERY tempting but just a lil too big for the place I had to put it.
18in wide was just a bit much vs the DSP-10 @ 14.5in.
I had a Velodyne CT-100 and loved it.
If it's anywhere near as nice as the CT-100 I had I'll be plenty happy!
It does have lil more RMS @ 185 watts (CT-100 150watts)
Not to mention Velodyne has one of the best warranty's I've seen! Three years (electronics) Five years (drivers)
All these crazy brands out there.....I just decided to go with a brand that I knew was good.
Too bad Polk didn't make a better sub!
I have never found any of em very impressive. :(

[Motzart]

Well I DID get a Velo DSP-10 but not from there.
$225 shipped NIB.
Was up on the bay on a $250 BIN and I had a PP coupon for 10% off.

Now that's not a bad deal!!!

I greatly appreciate everyones input on this!

The Cadence was VERY tempting but just a lil too big for the place I had to put it.
18in wide was just a bit much vs the DSP-10 @ 14.5in.
I had a Velodyne CT-100 and loved it.
If it's anywhere near as nice as the CT-100 I had I'll be plenty happy!
It does have lil more RMS @ 185 watts (CT-100 150watts)
Not to mention Velodyne has one of the best warranty's I've seen! Three years (electronics) Five years (drivers)
All these crazy brands out there.....I just decided to go with a brand that I knew was good.
Too bad Polk didn't make a better sub!
I have never found any of em very impressive. :(

I meant DPS......gezzzz it was 4:30am when I posted.
Wasn't on my 1st cup of java just yet! LMAO!! :p:D

[Shannon W.]

I know you will be very happy with that sub. Congratulations and good luck with your new toy!

Shannon

[gtu2004]

I had a Velodyne for my first sub and for the $$$ you can't go wrong, but I sold it and UPS totally trashed it in shipping. So after that I stepped up to the SvS PB12+2 and (OMFG!) that was one heck of a upgrade once I got my Velodyne sms-1 hooked up to it. Now my whole house shakes.
here is a picture of the ceiling of my dining room after I finished watching Transformers. I ended up breaking the key in the Lath and plaster. needless to say my wife liked to had a cow.

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t52/Imlow78/DSC00082-1.jpg

Shannon

did you turn the sub to the max or close to it? I don't believe you can crack your celling at 12 oclock. i don't go past 12 oclock on my PB10 often but it didn't crack my ceilling yet. I want to crack my ceilling!

[Motzart]

If I crack anything my Wife will have me blowing bass out my........:eek::D

[Shannon W.]

Gain is @ 12 o'clock sms-1 was at 7 and volume on the receiver was -27.5 db. This is a old house. I'd say the lath and plaster was weak and I just vibrated it a little bit too much.

Shannon

[Motzart]

Gain is @ 12 o'clock sms-1 was at 7 and volume on the receiver was -27.5 db. This is a old house. I'd say the lath and plaster was weak and I just vibrated it a little bit too much.

Shannon

How many dishes in the cupboard did ya break? LOL

You ever see the competion they had on Speed TV with the Subs in the Cars and Vans?
OMG this one Guy blew ALL the windows out of his car! :eek:
UNREAL DB's there I tell ya!!!

[mmadden28]

I guess I had better be careful of all the crystal on the entertainment center shelves and resonances and what not. I always thought I could fix the walls, but her antique crystal from her grandmother??? :eek::eek::eek:

Maybe I'll buy her a real pretty and expensive display cabinet for them and put it in another room. :cool:;)

[Motzart]

I guess I had better be careful of all the crystal on the entertainment center shelves and resonances and what not. I always thought I could fix the walls, but her antique crystal from her grandmother??? :eek::eek::eek:

Maybe I'll buy her a real pretty and expensive display cabinet for them and put it in another room. :cool:;)

I have 100+yr old antique clocks on my shelves so I hafta watch it too! :rolleyes: :D
They are mine so I'd hafta kick my own ass!! LMAO

[mmadden28]

I have 100+yr old antique clocks on my shelves so I hafta watch it too! :rolleyes: :D
They are mine so I'd hafta kick my own ass!! LMAO

Yeah-nothing more depressing than breaking somethign special of your own, on your own. Can't yell at somebody else for thier stupidity. Well I guess you can kick your dog. :eek:

[Motzart]

Yeah-nothing more depressing than breaking somethign special of your own, on your own. Can't yell at somebody else for thier stupidity. Well I guess you can kick your dog. :eek:

I have 2 puddy tats and a Guinea Pig......(The GP is the Wife's could pull it's ears) LMAO :p

[ckhirnigs113]

I am looking at the Cadence CSX-12 and Bic H100. What do you guys think is the better sub on a budget? Thanks, CK

[concealer404]

The only way a sub from best buy would damage a plasma is if you threw it at the TV....

Yeah... if you're talking about the KSW-series that they still insist on trying to get people to buy...

But a lot of the Best Buys are carrying the RW-series, and they're quite another animal. I have the RW-10D, and it's a VERY competent sub in every aspect. Fast, deep, strong as hell.

[Ron Temple]

I am looking at the Cadence CSX-12 and Bic H100. What do you guys think is the better sub on a budget? Thanks, CKBoth are pretty darned good at the price. My gut says the Cadence, it's been 3 years since I heard the Bic and about a year for the Cadence. The Bic and the previous rev of the Cadence were here at the same time and very close. The new Cadence is much better.

[Motzart]

The best I previewed was a KEF.....it was round kinda looked like a tire in a stand.
Don't recall the model....it was at a local high end store.
Guy told me it was $500 bux + our 8.3% sales tax here.
It really thumped.....10in driver on one side and 10in passive on the other.
Was a odd looking thing to say the least.

BTW: This was the same guy that said Polk was cheap junk! :mad:


*** UPDATE ***

Ahhhh I found it on their site.....
HTB Series

http://www2.kef.com/us/Subwoofer/HTB-Series/HTB2

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