Emotiva Forum?

[brettw22]

Do we need a sub-forum dedicated to just Emotiva stuff? (no, it's not gonna happen)

My point is kind of tongue in cheek.........do some searches and you'll find MORE THAN ENOUGH threads on their equipment......

That is all......

[heiney9]

Do we need a sub-forum dedicated to just Emotiva stuff? (no, it's not gonna happen)

My point is kind of tongue in cheek.........do some searches and you'll find MORE THAN ENOUGH threads on their equipment......

That is all......

I agree..........tired of hearing about Emotiva. Take it to the Emotiva forum if there are going to be such in depth discussions. Emotiva is the "new" Outlaw....nothing more.....nothing less.

They have a user forum and we have a search feature.......use them both ;)

H9

[cfrizz]

Brett, I think people just want to know how Polkies rate Emo gear that they have bought. I didn't trust them worth a dime till other Polkies said they were good to get.

With the exception of Kex who is different.

I'll take an established Polkie's word over anyone from anywhere else!

[brettw22]

I completely agree......I have no problems with people talking about them, but there's probably not a need to have 30 threads all within the last month and a half when the questions are in a thread 5 below the one someone's thinking about starting.......capiche?

[a1adjz]

This is about Polk speakers and what makes them sound good? Isn't any topic fair game including amps?

[heiney9]

Plus, some of the people endorsing them aren't exactly long time members (meaning their endorsement doesn't carry much weight). I have no problem discussing anything audio but 1) It has been redundent lately 2) Emo has a user forum for more specific questions like have been posted 3) we have a search function.

Carry on.....nothing to see here

H9

[brettw22]

a1, the point isn't don't discuss their product here......it's saying search for existing threads before you ask the same thing that so many have before you.......that's it.

edit: not a personal instruction to you per se.......just to everyone in general.

[shack]

We went through the same thing with SVS (which I like...but got tired of hearing about)...then there was Oppo. It's like there IS NO OTHER gear worth using. There are particular brands of gear I don't mind recommending because it is what I like (ie: NAD, Signal Cables, AudioQuest, etc). I also tend to recommend something I am familiar with and know that it works...but I don't post a new thread every time they come out with a new product singing their praises or wanting to discuss the virtues...just because. First hand reviews of gear owned is fine...just be careful not to be too much of a "fanboy" (or fangirl as the case may be).

[cfrizz]

No fangirl here Shack, but I will recommend since it is an affordable product as is Outlaw. And most newbies come on here looking for amprege at the lowest cost possible.

Cheap bastages!:p:D

[CaligulaPolk]

What is Emotiva??? Where can I buy one?


Just kidding, I would like to know more about Emotiva from polkies with RTI A9 or the series here on this site, thats all.. Nothing else but, it is interesting to see others perspective. No we do not need Emotiva forums here! :)

www.emotivalounge.com is where lot emotiva questions should be asked, if not related to polk speakers or the subwoofers. But, i think polkies should able to ask about anything related to polk products here! :)

This site rocks and very mannered people here... Lets keep this way! :)

[Kex]

Brett, I think people just want to know how Polkies rate Emo gear that they have bought. I didn't trust them worth a dime till other Polkies said they were good to get.

With the exception of Kex who is different.

I'll take an established Polkie's word over anyone from anywhere else!
Wow! I was not expecting a special mention from the famed cfrizz! :D

I'm not all that "different" BTW, and it makes me sound like a Martian too (which I am, but I'm on a mission to assimilate with Earthlings, so I don't like to admit it). Three of us tried the LPA-1 here on CP at the same time (I was the only one with the LMC-1 too though). Two were disappointed and one was happy. I'm not unique, but it's not easy for potential buyers to get a balanced opinion about Emotiva, especially on the Emotiva Lounge and in the Emotiva thread on AVS: there most users just fall over each other trying to invent a new level of hyperbole to describe how good it is. It would take a very brave person to post anything remotely negative and flame suits of a special variety would be required (more like a long leave of absence) and the message, true or not, would be buried in the flood.

Club Polk is possibly unique in the ability of its members to criticize and describe their gear, including Polk Audio products. There are very balanced opinions about a lot of gear here, for and against, and people don't seem to get upset about it. But in that regard Emotiva does seem to be very "different", and negative comments, based on personal experience or not, tend to start the sparks flying, as they do elsewhere.

It's still nice to have Emotiva as an option for many, but it's not the only option IMO. It warrants balanced discussion, but I don't know if you would need a specific area in CP for that. Carry on!

[CaligulaPolk]

Wow! I was not expecting a special mention from the famed cfrizz! :D

I'm not all that "different" BTW, and it makes me sound like a Martian too (which I am, but I'm on a mission to assimilate with Earthlings, so I don't like to admit it). Three of us tried the LPA-1 here on CP at the same time (I was the only one with the LMC-1 too though). Two were disappointed and one was happy. I'm not unique, but it's not easy for potential buyers to get a balanced opinion about Emotiva, especially on the Emotiva Lounge and in the Emotiva thread on AVS: there most users just fall over each other trying to invent a new level of hyperbole to describe how good it is. It would take a very brave person to post anything remotely negative and flame suits of a special variety would be required (more like a long leave of absence) and the message, true or not, would be buried in the flood.

Club Polk is possibly unique in the ability of its members to criticize and describe their gear, including Polk Audio products. There are very balanced opinions about a lot of gear here, for and against, and people don't seem to get upset about it. But in that regard Emotiva does seem to be very "different", and negative comments, based on personal experience or not, tend to start the sparks flying, as they do elsewhere.

It's still nice to have Emotiva as an option for many, but it's not the only option IMO. It warrants balanced discussion, but I don't know if you would need a specific area in CP for that. Carry on!

Make sense!! :D

[LessisNevermore]

I completely agree......I have no problems with people talking about them, but there's probably not a need to have 30 threads all within the last month and a half when the questions are in a thread 5 below the one someone's thinking about starting.......capiche?


You are probably seeing more discussion of them due to the holiday sale they were having, and a greatly expanded number of models. For a small company, there's a lot cookin' right now. I'm an owner, and I love my amp with my LSi's. (insert obvious "great amp for hard to drive LSi's" comment)

As was mentioned, this is a fairly objective board for opinions, and there are a growing number of CP members who are pairing the Emo gear with their Polks and liking what they hear. Google is probably another factor, steering newbs here for answers. Take it as a compliment, that they want your advice.:cool:

[cfrizz]

No one said it was the only option, but it is one of the very few options for a NEW amp that won't cost thousands of dollars.

And the sale they just got through with put them at the top of the inexpensive recommendation list.


...It's still nice to have Emotiva as an option for many, but it's not the only option IMO. It warrants balanced discussion, but I don't know if you would need a specific area in CP for that. Carry on!

[broncsrule21@]

2 more cents worth.. Yes of course, use the search first.

But since Emotiva is an I.D. company, we can't demo the product (for free). So if i want to find out what others with Rti10s think of the XPA series, this is the place.
It is not like people are asking how their Infinity speakers would sound the Emotiva products.

oh well, enough late night rambling.

[F1nut]

Eh, reminds me of all the talk about the Toshiba DVD/CD players on the internet a few years back. Some are always looking for the silk purse made from a sow's ear.

I'm sure that comment will upset some folks. Like GG says, I don't give a sh*t.

[beardog03]

It`s like Ms. frizz said....

we tend to trust each others opinions around here....especially if it is from a long time member in good standing....
That`s one of the main benefits of being a forum member.....

.....but a special place such as a sub-forum to discuss just Emotiva is rediculous

We love to discover new (and old) products that make our Polk Audio products shine, but I tend to think that Emotiva (the new Outlaw) is but one of the new Companies that are out there...

Use the search function, or start a new thread ....either way, it`s all good

but at least come up with something new that we will all benefit from....such as a shootout with outlaw, or some other company.....


Or just send your gear to me for awhile, and I will do it for you !

Besides, everybody knows that Parasound beats both...:D

Just my ramblings....carry on

[a1adjz]

You guys just have your gear and think it is the best out there, and it may be ,congrats. However ,we are new here talking about our new Polk speakers RTi10's and old as I own a 23 year old pair of SDA 2's. I'm not made of money and just tring to get the best possible sound from my speakers on a budget. It could include any company, right now it just happens to be EMO. Have a nice Day.

[a1adjz]

We come to an open forum and are jumped by a bunch of Polk guru's and mesiah's for being excited about our new equipment.

[Dawgfish]

I have to agree. This is an open public forum. I don't remember seeing the title to this particuliar section of the forum as "Electronics, accept for Emotiva, because some of the members are tired of reading about them". Everybody has their favorites and opinions. I'm not trying to start any arguments or be disrespectful at all, but if a member wants to know how any amp, including Emotiva sounds with a particuliar line of Polk Speakers, it should be fair game. Members shouldn't have to feel intimidated because others on the board are sick of reading about something. If you don't like it, don't read it. It's really as simple as that. There, I 've said it and I don't give a damn also :-)

[Early B.]

I will continue to purchase and recommend Emotiva gear because they have the best gear at the best price while providing excellent customer service. To my knowledge, no other company comes close to delivering the level of price/performance/quality that Emo offers for its amps and HT processors.

Back in the day, Outlaw was 'da bomb, but today Emo blows them away.

[Hawkeye]

We come to an open forum and are jumped by a bunch of Polk guru's and mesiah's for being excited about our new equipment.

Ignore them. Come here, learn and contibute what you want when you want as long as it meets published guidelines set down by Polk.

Gordon

[Gaara]

We come to an open forum and are jumped by a bunch of Polk guru's and mesiah's for being excited about our new equipment.

Just curious where you got "jumped on"? I looked through your posts and it seems everyone was very helpful answering your questions.

[brettw22]

I think the problem comes down to comprehension apparently........re-read my posts and try like the little train that could to understand my point.

[shack]

Just curious where you got "jumped on"? I looked through your posts and it seems everyone was very helpful answering your questions.

I went back and read each one of a1adjz's THIRTEEN posts and not once was he treated badly or "jumped" on. Now he feels he needs to start making comments about "Polk guru's and mesiah's". :rolleyes:

[heiney9]

Here's how it works...........a1 is an Emotiva supporter. You say some unflattering things in regards to Emo and he automatically thinks it's an affront against him personally. When in fact no one has so much as peeped in his direction.

Now we're all bad juju guru's and Messiahs. Par for the course

[Retro152]

We come to an open forum and are jumped by a bunch of Polk guru's and mesiah's for being excited about our new equipment.

I joined about a month ago, and have never felt "jumped on". This is my first foray into home audio, and i cant say enough good things about the invaluable info i have learned. Its' like BrettW22 said Quote: " My point is kind of tongue and cheek", Meaning okay kids lets settle down. Sure, i will bring up Emo stuff in convo, or Outlaw, Rotel, and the Experts will continue to advise us "newbies" on these products and many more. They want us to have the same great results as their setups! But its like the sign says: Club POLK!

[Dawgfish]

I kind of see where A1adjz is coming from though, even though I wouldn't necessarily say it was "jumping on" him.

Quote "Plus, some of the people endorsing them aren't exactly long time members (meaning their endorsement doesn't carry much weight). I have no problem discussing anything audio but 1) It has been redundent lately 2) Emo has a user forum for more specific questions like have been posted 3) we have a search function.

Carry on.....nothing to see here,"

Again I'm not trying to disrespect anybody here. The reason I come to this board in the first place is to seek out the knowledge of fellow audio fans who have a wealth of knowledge and advice. I respect the senior members here on this forum because of this. Having said that, automatically discounting someones opinion becase they are relatively new to the board reeks of closed-mindedness and elitism to me. Just because someone is new to the board, it doesn't necasarily mean that their opinions should be discounted. The new person could have years of A/V experience and be a true library of knowledge, but they just may be new to the board. I'm not saying this is the case with myself or a1adjz, I'm just saying you never know who another person is and making generalizations about people is often a mistake.

I can definitely see the other side and see how people would get tired of seeing the same old questions being asked over and over again. That does get old, but at the same time if a member is asking legitimate questions within the confines of the rules set forth in this forum, than who are we to suggest what they can and cannot ask or post? I could see where I poster would feel intimidated by this and feel like they were being told what they can and cannot post, even though it is a perfectly legitimate topic.

For the record let me say I am a recent Emotiva customer and fan. So far I have been very satisfied with what I have heard out of my equipment. I am also a fan of other amps and companies out there. Sound is a personal thing. YMMV. People are not always going to agree with my opinions and frankly I'm glad they don't. Differences and variety are what makes the world an interesting place. Can't we just all get a long ;-)


Steve

[heiney9]

You're missing my point.......(the quote is from me). I am not trying to sound elitist or closed minded. Over the past 4 years I've participated I've gotten to know certain members because they also have long term in depth participation and opinion (in some cases face to face too) and I can feel much more comfortable with their insights and perspectives (or disagree with them too) because of the long term interaction and better understanding of how their experience's relate to my own.

Only a fool would take advice solely from a stranger w/o out first knowing where they are coming from and where they've been. That's why sites like Audio Review, IMO, are totally worthless. Random people, posting random thoughts when I as a reader have no base line within to apply their POV, because I've had little to no interaction with them.

We have a community here and just like any other community if you're new you sort of have to earn and prove yourself. Not that you have to be worthy and accepted by the long term members but be accepted into the community and have the ability to interact, share ideas, experiences and form common bonds, etc.

H9

P.s. I'm not calling anyone a fool so don't go there :). It's a figure of speech

[Dawgfish]

I see what you're saying. That definitely has merit. Sorry for calling anybody anything. I can still see both sides of the fence though, but that's ok. No offense taken by the "fool" comment. I've been one for a long time, so I'm used to it :-)

[cfrizz]

A1, you need to take a deep breath & calm down. NO ONE jumped on anyone in this thread. Opinions have simply been stated & a couple of tongue-in-cheek comments have been made...AS A JOKE!

This is what we mean by established members vs newbies. Those of us who have been around a while KNOW when a veteran is joking & when they are jumping down someone's throat. (Usually for good reason!)

The fact that I'm pointing this out to you POLITELY rather than snapping at you for your rather RUDE name calling of us established members "a bunch of Polk guru's and mesiah's" (which is spelled Messiah’s BTW) and that other more volatile members on here haven't taken you off at the knees for the unprovoked attack is proof of that.

Now I suggest you take another deep breath, go have a beer, and come back when you are willing to see that we ARE trying to help newbies get the most bang for their buck with the gear they have, and to sqeeze every ounce of the best sound out of their gear.



You guys just have your gear and think it is the best out there, and it may be ,congrats. However ,we are new here talking about our new Polk speakers RTi10's and old as I own a 23 year old pair of SDA 2's. I'm not made of money and just tring to get the best possible sound from my speakers on a budget. It could include any company, right now it just happens to be EMO. Have a nice Day.


We come to an open forum and are jumped by a bunch of Polk guru's and mesiah's for being excited about our new equipment.

[CaligulaPolk]

cfrizz's treat to buy us beer!! I agree what he had said. I read as a newbie and can tell people were joking.. Who is the messiah here??? Mr. Polk? :confused::confused:



OOOPS, cfrizz is a chick!! i agree what she had said. :D

[mmadden28]

I try to stay out of these kinds of discussions but here's some of my 'bystander' views:

I'll use Emotiva as an example here, since its the topic of discussion, but this could apply to just about any brand.

Some new users come here because they have Polk speakers. They've likely heard about Emotiva's amps. They ask the question at Emotiva and some will say to go to the Polk Forums to ask about specifics on the Polk Speakers. So they do.

On the other hand it seems some new users come to CP First with a specific question about Emotiva amps, not necessarily related to the speakers, where they could have in fact at least tried at Emotivalounge first.

Or, perhaps the new user doesn't bother to try and search first at CP before posting thier question, or perhaps maybe they tried but couldn't find any results or maybe not specific to thier rig. Or maybe all that they found was several years old and may or may not be relevant anymore.

After all the Search function on this forum does suck-for example you can't search for anything with less than 4 characters and it can't contain puctuation-thus it makes it difficult to search for XPA or XPA-2, LSI, LSi-9, etc. the only way to do it would be to search google.com (restricting the domain to polkaudio.com) but that's not obvious. If I'm wrong about this educate me.

As far as myself. I will recommend what I have experience with or regurgutate what others have praised which seems to be a well accepted option. It wouldn't be right of me to recommend an amp or product that I really don't have face time with right? I'd relay my experiences with my setup for my budget.

No I'm not being defensive thinking that any of this thread or comments were directed at me in any--Now I like my Emotiva stuff, but I'm no fanboy (fanboy defined to me as one with blind, sometimes fanatical, and one-sided devotion) . I tell it like it is-I don't make excuses for any shortcomings of a product, nor do I try to make it a point to point out shortcomings of equipment everytime either (unless its relevant to the topic).

I agree with what Kex said about going to another forum to get an unbiased opinion on a product. You simply CANNOT get an unbiased opinion on Emotiva products at the Emotivalounge except from a very select few. So where to go for a lesser bias if you own Polk speakers? My choice? CP.

I personally tap CP because of the vast knowledge contained by the users on this forum. I respect that there is such a diversity of equipment ownership (even those that don't even have Polk speakers any more) and that there is such a majority of unbiased opinions on equipment. Or if majority is not the right term, at least enough opinions to at least balance the overall bias.

I think Lessisnevermore and hit it on the head with the fact that Emo's lineup has rapidly grown recently, had a great sale over the holiday, is affordable, and has been the recipient of several recent reviews and professional accolades.
I wasn't here then, but I would imagine that when the PS3 and Xbox360 were released that they were the topic of hot discussions even though they likely had nothing to do with Polk Speakers.

You can't create a sub-forum for Emotiva at Club Polk-that's absurd
Creating a sub-forum for LSI or RTi or even SDA? OK- hmmm. Nahh if it hasn't been done by now...

On the subject of products brought up time and time again that some might be tired of hearing about and should go to thier user forums instead and not discuss on CP:
Bluejeans cables
Monoprice
Monster
Signal Cable
Adcom
NAD
PS3
Xbox360
etc, etc, etc
Are we to identify all the over stated products that work well with Polk speakers and avoid mentioning them?
If you want to recommend another prioduct than what is mentioned in what looks like a fanboy thread, then do so.

Perhaps some more sticky threads may elimiate some of the repeated questions.

Come on please. Open Forums-Open Discussions-No censorship (within forum rules anyway).

Peace :cool:
P.S. I don't have a flak jacket-so have mercy on me :o

[broncsrule21@]

"After all the Search function on this forum does suck-for example you can't search for anything with less than 4 characters and it can't contain puctuation-thus it makes it difficult to search for XPA or XPA-2, LSI, LSi-9, etc. the only way to do it would be to search google.com (restricting the domain to polkaudio.com) but that's not obvious. If I'm wrong about this educate me."

x2

[cfrizz]

LOL! Nice post Mmadden!

[shack]

"After all the Search function on this forum does suck-for example you can't search for anything with less than 4 characters and it can't contain puctuation-thus it makes it difficult to search for XPA or XPA-2, LSI, LSi-9, etc. the only way to do it would be to search google.com (restricting the domain to polkaudio.com) but that's not obvious. If I'm wrong about this educate me."

x2


A quick search of Club Polk Forum for xpa* gave me 68 threads. Not hard at all.

[heiney9]

Hmmm.....I just searched "Emotiva" and got 500 hits on CP. Sure, you might have to actually spend some time and do some research, but there is a LOAD of information.

Everyone wants the quick answer and rarely bothers to search for any answers. When I first started researching DAC's on the internet it took me about 2 months to gather info to make a decision. That's how an intelligent, high dollar decision should be made.

It's probably THE biggest gripe of ANY online forum................no one uses the search feature. Sure the one here takes a bit of trial and error but I've never had any problems with it.

The search feature is your friend.

[shack]

Another quick search for lsi9 was 500 results (the maximum the search function will show). There is nothing difficult about the Club Polk Forum search fucntion...you just need to know how to use it. If you have a three letter item you want to search just add a * and it will find it. It is like this on most forum seach functions.

[heiney9]

Another quick search for lsi9 was 500 results (the maximum the search function will show). There is nothing difficult about the Club Polk Forum search fucntion...you just need to know how to use it. If you have a three letter item you want to search just add a * and it will find it. It is like this on most forum seach functions.

You forgot to add that they will actually need to read the threads/posts and spend some time researching what I would assume is an answer to a very important question(s).

[cfrizz]

Then after actually reading all of those responses, will come on and re-ask the question anyway since what he read didn't give him the answer he WANTED to read. So he asks absolutely sure that he will get an answer that he wants to see!

After reading 500 results saying the very opposite of that, the answers given just have to be wrong & he will get the correct answer if he asks again. LOL!

[inspiredsports]

All are obviously welcome here but I think some who've been around for a while hope for more informed / less repetitive questions.

This should be a "Sticky", but I don't know if polkaudio.com wants to "endorse" google.com.

However, I am an Internet Developer specializing in Search Optimization and I believe google.com is the best.

######################################

HERE'S WHAT YOU DO . . .
- - - Go to www.google.com
- - - In the search box type . . . emotiva site: polkaudio.com

(there should technically be no space between "site:" and "polkaudio.com" above, but if I show it that way it gets interpreted by the forum software and published as a Smiley Face.)

######################################

This unleashes the outstanding search capacity for "emotiva" (or whatever you want to find) ONLY on the "site": "polkaudio.com"

When I try this hundreds and hundreds of Club Polk postings about Emotiva are found.

[shack]

All are obviously welcome here but I think some who've been around for a while hope for more informed / less repetitive questions.

This should be a "Sticky", but I don't know if polkaudio.com wants to "endorse" google.com.

However, I am an Internet Developer specializing in Search Optimization and I believe google.com is the best.

######################################

HERE'S WHAT YOU DO . . .
- - - Go to www.google.com
- - - In the search box type . . . emotiva site: polkaudio.com

(there should technically be no space between "site:" and "polkaudio.com" above, but if I show it that way it gets interpreted by the forum software and published as a Smiley Face.)

######################################

This unleashes the outstanding search capacity for "emotiva" (or whatever you want to find) ONLY on the "site": "polkaudio.com"

When I try this hundreds and hundreds of Club Polk postings about Emotiva are found.


Why go through all of that when all you have to do is type emotiva in the search box on CLUB POLK and you get the last 500 posts with emotiva mentitoned in them? :confused:

[Gaara]

Here's how it works...........a1 is an Emotiva supporter. You say some unflattering things in regards to Emo and he automatically thinks it's an affront against him personally. When in fact no one has so much as peeped in his direction.

Now we're all bad juju guru's and Messiahs. Par for the course

Makes sense. You say you don't like my gear, thats fightin words. To hell with everyone being able express a opinion, I mean its not like this is a forum or anything.

Inspired, its a really nice trick to know, but less applicable here. I use that one all the time for searching on sites that don't let you search, or trying to find exact phrases. Works GREAT with sites like Agon or Ebay w/ google cache, you can pull up old expired ads and see what items sold for, or if someone is being a scumbag and changed something on you.

[inspiredsports]

Why go through all of that when all you have to do is type emotiva in the search box on CLUB POLK and you get the last 500 posts with emotiva mentitoned in them? :confused:

I guess "emotiva" is a bad example. I've seen many people express the opinion (and someone in one of the posts above) that the forum's search function is less than stellar.

I've found Google is rarely, if ever, less than stellar; therefore, the recommendation.

[mmadden28]

A quick search of Club Polk Forum for xpa* gave me 68 threads. Not hard at all.

I didn't try the *. Thanks for that!-anytime in the past I asked about that or mentioned an issue with the search function nobody jumped in to help out and explain it. I actually may have stumbled on it before by trying different wildcards, but using it would return way too many useless hits in some cases.
I mean come on you search for 'lsi' and no hits are returned? All you get is "Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms. " but nothing to help you know what those terms are.

Every other (likely) punctuation fails. Doesn't matter where you put it. If you put a hyphen (one of the most common used in model nos.), even if it actually matches a word, it will return zero results. Go ahead--search for GDA-600. Yeah you can search for GDA600 but you'll only get 6 results. You can't tell me that the GDA-600has only been mentioned at CP only 6 times. No it means that it was typed without the hyphen in those 6 results. The search omits all the other results.

Oh what's that you say? I should just search on "Adcom"? Oh OK, yeah that was easy-and pretty much useless too if I'm looking for posts on just the GDA-600. And ya know what, if I use adcom and gda600 in the same search, I only get 5 results (that's one less). What? Somebody mentioned GDA600 without Adcom?


Another quick search for lsi9 was 500 results (the maximum the search function will show)....

You omitted the hyphen and thus elminated any result where the term used it. I know I have typed it as 'lsi-9' in some posts, and I'm sure that I'm not the only one-those posts will not be returned in the results.
Yes you can type LSI*, but then you get every post for the entire series.
OK so to filter that 500 threads down when you use lsi9 --I want to know only about the lsi9 and emotiva. So I typed lsi9 emotiva seems logical right? Hmmm I only got 15 results. Hmm. I guess that there just aren't very many discussions with both of them huh? :rolleyes: Well I guess since I didn't find my answer in those 15 threads going back 5 years, I guess I'll have to create a new thread and ask somebody. :rolleyes:


Hmmm.....I just searched "Emotiva" and got 500 hits on CP.



Why go through all of that when all you have to do is type emotiva in the search box on CLUB POLK and you get the last 500 posts with emotiva mentitoned in them?

That's more than 3 characters-I would expect that to return results. See my above example when trying to further limit the results.
Maybe somebody doesn't want to search through 500 posts on emotiva. They make several products. Maybe somebody doesn't want to read through 200 posts on the LPA-1 to read about the XPA-3. That's not lazy, that's just futile.

Also, not every thread includes the manufacturer name when discussing a product. How often does one say Polk Audio when they refer to the LSi or RTi series?
You would be limiting your search results and thus maybe eliminating the answer to your question if you were a user searching for one.



Sure, you might have to actually spend some time and do some research, but there is a LOAD of information.

Everyone wants the quick answer and rarely bothers to search for any answers.


I agree, but my point is is that its not necessarily that one might not be bothering at all to search-it just may be that its not very easy and can be frustrating.

Everybody expects the new user, some new to internet forums by thier own admission (thus may not be familiar with other forums either), to use the search feature first. And my point is that, at least with the Polk Forum, that the search feature is not intuitive and has some serious limitations. There are no examples provided, no hints as to the wildcards that could be used.
Thus when a search can't be completed for whatever reason, the user just ends up posting a new thread to ask a question.

I mean asking a legitimate audio question , even if its been beat to death, where people (including new members who may have some good insight) are eager to answer should be better accepted than completely non-audio related posts which are a plenty here at CP, don't ya think?

I'm not saying that some of the new users don't come off cocky and disrespectful or that they are unwilling to accept an opinion or general consensus, that is a completely different issue. I'm saying that its not very intuitive to search (for useful info) at Club Polk and that may be part of the reason why the same questions are asked over and over (by different users-not by the same user- again different issue).

Example--I'm pretty sure that 802.11g has to have been mentioned on this board at least once right? Hmm. ZERO results.

OK so you're a new Club Polk user. You want to know something about the use of an Emotiva XPA-5 (or XPA5) with a Polk Audio (or PolkAudio) RTi12 (or RTi-12 or Rti 12) speakers. That seems like a pretty common question right? Using only the CP forum search engine, What search terms would you use? What would you type?
Here's some of my results:
I type emotiva xpa5 rti12 and I get zero results
I type xpa5 rti12 and I get 1 (one) result :eek:
Anything I type with a hyphen ( the other iterations of the above search terms) I get zero results.
If I type a term with a space it looks like a separate term and numbers are eliminated from the results.
Come on educate me. Make my ClubPolk searching experience a good one. :cool:

[shack]

OK so you're a new Club Polk user. You want to know something about the use of an Emotiva XPA-5 (or XPA5) with a Polk Audio (or PolkAudio) RTi12 (or RTi-12 or Rti 12) speakers. That seems like a pretty common question right? Using only the CP forum search engine, What search terms would you use? What would you type?
Here's some of my results:
I type emotiva xpa5 rti12 and I get zero results
I type xpa5 rti12 and I get 1 (one) result :eek:
Anything I type with a hyphen ( the other iterations of the above search terms) I get zero results.
If I type a term with a space it looks like a separate term and numbers are eliminated from the results.
Come on educate me. Make my ClubPolk searching experience a good one. :cool:

emotiva XPA RTi12 gave me 12 results.

XPA RTi12 gave me 500 (the max) results

XPA5 RTi12 gave me 2 results including this thread.

xpa5 gave 39 me results...most of which had no mention of the RTi12.

Obviously threads about a XPA-5 and the RTi12 is not all than common. I would not expect it to be a HOT topic.

I think you are trying to make it way too complicated. It isn't rocket science and it works.

[mmadden28]

Any search term that is less than four characters, even though it says it uses it as a search term it is being ignored. It just makes you think it included it. The only thing 3 letter search does is highlight the term if it happens to be on the page.



emotiva XPA RTi12 gave me 12 results.
Your search for emotiva XPA RTi12 is actually the same as emotiva rti12. Try it. you get 12 results either way. And you can't tell me that Emotiva products and the RTi12s was only ever discussed 12 times at CP.



XPA RTi12 gave me 500 (the max) results
Again you only got results for the RTi12. The only thing you get with the XPA is if that term happened to be on the page it gets highlighted. In this search set (the second result), where is the XPA mentioned in the thread titled "Panamax m5400 vs. m5300" (http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76834&highlight=xpa+rti12)?
I changed the search to just rti12 and the search results did not change.



XPA5 RTi12 gave me 2 results including this thread.
So do you agree that besides this post the XPA5 and the RTi12 were only ever discussed in 1 thread?
What about this (https://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?p=916393)thread? It mentions both the XPA-5 and the RTi12 in the same post (https://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showpost.php?p=916322&postcount=4), that just might answer somebody's question about the combo. But alas, its not in the search results



xpa5 gave 39 me results...most of which had no mention of the RTi12.
I guess not. According to your results above, only one thread would have the combo ever discussed.



Obviously threads about a XPA-5 and the RTi12 is not all than common. I would not expect it to be a HOT topic.
Yeah Obviously. :rolleyes: I can't image why anybody would ever think of pairing up an RTi12 with an XPA-5 nor would I ever imagine that pairing an amp with Polk speakers would be discussed at CP. :p



I think you are trying to make it way too complicated. It isn't rocket science and it works.

Your own results show that it does not work effectively for all search terms.
Ultimately, based on your results only 1 thread that might contain an answer that might already exist about an XPA-5 and the RTi12s. And if a user only reads that one thread and their question is not answered--would they be wrong to post a new thread asking a question about an XPA-5 and the RTi12's?

You simply cannot search for anything with less than 4 characters or anything with a hyphen or a period in it.

Of course, while Google would be far superior as a search engine in this scenario its also not the final answer either. Google indexes the entire page--including anybody's equipment signatures. Whereas at least within the forums search engine, the signatures are not indexed since they are not actually a part of the post, but a variable.

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I'm not sure if there are options in the vBulletin software for this, but I think it would be a good idea to at least make it a 3 character minimum search and to allow for hyphens and periods(dots).

[F1nut]

JHC, so the search function may not be the best. At least we have one and if someone puts their mind to it, I'm sure they can find what they are looking for.

[shack]

I would say that 99% of the posters on this forum could care less about the Emotiva XPA-5 RTi12 combination. YOU may be the only person that happens to have it and has posted about it, so I can certainly understand why there is a limited number of posts. Also, Emotiva is a small internet only company with a limited customer base, like Outlaw, SVS, HSU and so forth. MOST of the audio purchasing public do not even know those companies exist...unlike Polk which is carried in several major retail outlets and is one of the largest speaker mfgs in the world.

I can search for and find EVERYTHING I want using the search tools from this forum and things learned from the internet (ie: adding an asterisk to a 3 character word or term). Searching for NAD, VPI, SVS, etc give me hundreds of results by using the asterisk. It simply tells the search engine to look for words starting with thost three characters.

If xpa5 and rti12 doesn't yield the info, searching for emotiva, xpa, rti12 will yield hundreds of posts to review...but alas the searcher may just have to spend a little time and effort. Gee...sorry about that. :rolleyes:

I guess you can rip this post apart as well and try to further describe just how bad the Club Polk Search function is...whatever...it works for me and probably the majority of the folks here.

[Ricardo]

Yawn... Does anyone actually read those extremely long posts??

[mewisemagic]

just go here to ask questions about emo:D http://emotivalounge.proboards54.com/

[sandworms]

Yawn... Does anyone actually read those extremely long posts??
the horse is dead people! can't we all just get along
happy new year!:)

[mmadden28]

You completely missed my point. AS I SAID the Emotiva and RTi12 terms were was just an example. The same can be said for LSi or GDA-600, etc, etc, etc. The point was the search function will not always yield the results that somebody wants and when they can't find it they will post a new thread. And that apparently bothers people because of the constant reposting of the same old questions. But people would rather just assume that the posters are lazy instead of looking at it from both sides.
Again, I did NOT say this was a problem for all searches, just those that meet the criteria I mentioned.

Sheesh, you'd think you were getting personally offended as if you or Polk designed the search engine.

[dkg999]

Are we there yet?

[jb77k]

I am glad to have read through two pages of people complaining about this guy's questions to find out that nobody had anything to say related to the post.

Being the "good forum user" that I am, I did a search (just like everyone suggested), found this thread (thinking it MIGHT be useful) and am happy to report - that listening to all of you complain about everything and wasting ten minutes of my time sorting through these threads was quite useful (i guess sarcasm doesn't come across very well when typed into a computer).

If you don't haven anything positive to report on one of these threads, try simply not posting something, instead of pointing out (to somebody new) that they are idiots for not knowing the fantastic things that all of you know.

I come here to get expert advice and try to avoid making foolish decisions and buy gear that I can't operate properly (or even worse, gear that I am going to break). You guys know a lot, not just about the equipment, but about how to use this forum correctly. If you are tired of hearing about Emotiva, don't read those comments, instead of making the rest of us read 45 responses about how sick you are of hearing about Emotiva.

People act ridiculous in these forums. I have started to realize that in half of these forums, the people making comments are the "die-hards" that are sick of "Polkies" (like me) asking questions - sorry guys, but this is the place for me to get helpful input from people who actually own this equipment. We need your help, not your critque. We come to Polkaudio.com because we feel we can get honest, unbiased help from people who know more than us - and know alot more about Polk equipment than the people selling this stuff in the stores.

That is all. I am sorry to have added to the endless stream of posts that aren't answering this quy's questions. Shame on me.

[reeltrouble1]

I'll take an established Polkie's word over anyone from anywhere else!

Good.

Tubes Rule
Balanced Trumps Unbalanced
Big Speaker=Big Sound
Big Speaker with Big Current=Better Sound
Paypal sucks
Polk Nation Rocks

That is all.

RT1

[heiney9]

I am glad to have read through two pages of people complaining about this guy's questions to find out that nobody had anything to say related to the post.

Being the "good forum user" that I am, I did a search (just like everyone suggested), found this thread (thinking it MIGHT be useful) and am happy to report - that listening to all of you complain about everything and wasting ten minutes of my time sorting through these threads was quite useful (i guess sarcasm doesn't come across very well when typed into a computer).

If you don't haven anything positive to report on one of these threads, try simply not posting something, instead of pointing out (to somebody new) that they are idiots for not knowing the fantastic things that all of you know.

I come here to get expert advice and try to avoid making foolish decisions and buy gear that I can't operate properly (or even worse, gear that I am going to break). You guys know a lot, not just about the equipment, but about how to use this forum correctly. If you are tired of hearing about Emotiva, don't read those comments, instead of making the rest of us read 45 responses about how sick you are of hearing about Emotiva.

People act ridiculous in these forums. I have started to realize that in half of these forums, the people making comments are the "die-hards" that are sick of "Polkies" (like me) asking questions - sorry guys, but this is the place for me to get helpful input from people who actually own this equipment. We need your help, not your critque. We come to Polkaudio.com because we feel we can get honest, unbiased help from people who know more than us - and know alot more about Polk equipment than the people selling this stuff in the stores.

That is all. I am sorry to have added to the endless stream of posts that aren't answering this quy's questions. Shame on me.

Thanks for adding the useful information you so covet.

[Gaara]

Here comes the wambulance.

[jb77k]

I know. My information was potentially the least useful of all the posts. But, I think we can all assume at this point that I won't bring anything useful to the table anyhow - I'm here to learn, not teach.

Besides, it seemed like this became the proper forum page to post responses unrelated to the topic, so I joined the party.

[jb77k]

I like "wambulance" by the way. That one actually made me laugh out loud. I suppose the fact that my sarcastic tone doesn't come off very well through my posts, I am sounding more of a whiner than I mean to. Either way, kudos with the wambulance comment.

So anyhow, how does the XPA-5 work with the LSi9's?

[shack]

Quite a diatribe from someone who has been on this forum for a week.

As in every social order (and an internet forum is indeed a form of social structure) there are things that are apparent and things that are not and it is those unseen factors are often much much more dynamic than what is posted on an internet forum. Much of what goes on here falls in the latter category and not easily discernable in the short span of a week.

Interesting that you state there are so many posts that have not answered the OPs question...when the original posters intent was to do EXACTLY what you find so distasteful...make a "tongue-in-cheek" complaint about asking questions about information that is readily available. This entire thread has been about that theme...

It seems to me that after reading the original post (or even the 2 or 3 susequent posts)...you would not have wasted 10 minutes reading the entire thread...unless of course you really wanted to add to the topic...which obviously you did...since you posted.

[Gaara]

I like "wambulance" by the way. That one actually made me laugh out loud. I suppose the fact that my sarcastic tone doesn't come off very well through my posts, I am sounding more of a whiner than I mean to. Either way, kudos with the wambulance comment.

So anyhow, how does the XPA-5 work with the LSi9's?

Kudos for taking it well. Most of the time it either gets people all riled up in a fiery rage, or laughing. To be honest I didn't read all of your post, I got to the 2nd paragraph where you complained of wasted time and felt it ironic so I stopped.

P.S. If you were serious -> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=xpa+lsi+site%3Awww.polkaudio.com%2Fforums%2F&btnG=Search

[F1nut]

Is an Emo anything like an Elmo?

[jb77k]

Shack: You needn't point out how new I am. I will be the first one to admit that I am quite the idiot when it comes to this stuff, therefore default to the experts. I have learned quite a bit from all of the forums on here and don't have too many other options in terms of research on this type of equipment. I know that this forum is a good place for the experts to talk speaker-ese, but it is also a good place for the rest of us to learn - you were all "polkies" at some point in your life too. I will admit though, that my postings were just as off-topic as everyone elses - but for anybody who got to page three in that forum, they probably didn't care anyhow. As I am learning, I have now realized that I should give up on certain threads much sooner than I do.

Didn't mean to offend anybody, sorry!

Gaara - thanks for the thread, that's where I need to be. I will park the "wambulance" in the garage for awhile and mind my own business!

[F1nut]

I will park the "wambulance" in the garage for awhile

LOL......I like this guy.

[heiney9]

Is an Emo anything like an Elmo?

Tickle it and find out.........................errrr,,,,,did you mean like a toy?

[heiney9]

Shack: You needn't point out how new I am. I will be the first one to admit that I am quite the idiot when it comes to this stuff, therefore default to the experts. I have learned quite a bit from all of the forums on here and don't have too many other options in terms of research on this type of equipment. I know that this forum is a good place for the experts to talk speaker-ese, but it is also a good place for the rest of us to learn - you were all "polkies" at some point in your life too. I will admit though, that my postings were just as off-topic as everyone elses - but for anybody who got to page three in that forum, they probably didn't care anyhow. As I am learning, I have now realized that I should give up on certain threads much sooner than I do.

Didn't mean to offend anybody, sorry!

Gaara - thanks for the thread, that's where I need to be. I will park the "wambulance" in the garage for awhile and mind my own business!

Keep pluggin' along..........if you can take some heat once in awhile (which it seems you can) you'll be fine here.

[shack]

jb77k - no offense taken - just an observation. This thread has actually stayed fairly true to the original intent by the original poster. It was not about gear...but about priceedure, protocol or what have you.

You did come across a bit as "lecturing" which is fine since obviously you can post whatever you like (within the forum rules) and we can choose to not read it if one so desires. However, a lecture from one so new is often not the way to start off. It is a good fourm with lots of knowledgable people who will help you...if you allow them to do so.

A thick skin IS REQUIRED...this is after all the internet and no place to be if you take things too personal.

BTW - welcome to the Club Polk Forum.

[jb77k]

You got it man. I really didn't mean to come off lecturing. I was bored and made an observation regarding something that I found humorous - glad to see that I truly didn't offend anybody.

I suppose I should get back to work soon anyhow, its going to be tough to buy speakers if I get fired for spending too much time on the Polk Forum during work hours!

I'm out (last reply, I promise...)

[reeltrouble1]

ShackDaddy--Is priceedure a Tennessee thing?????

So what's after a thick skin??? I am thinking Alligator skin, big rough, nasty can cut you and make you bleed alligator skin, you can pound all day long on it and end up losing your body part.

Yea, that what we old guys got--Alligator Skin.

RT1

[shack]

Big Ted making fun of my spelin...THAT HURTS! Good thing I have Alligator Skin!

[bigred7078]

Is an Emo anything like an Elmo?

im pretty sure they are cousins ;)

[reeltrouble1]

Big Ted making fun of my spelin...THAT HURTS! Good thing I have Alligator Skin!

cant hep it if all they taught you was to naught, figur and cipher when you was skoollin.

RT1

[timlitton]

Is EMO a line of depressed young amps that has hair like a girl?

[sdcfan18]

Is EMO a line of depressed young amps that has hair like a girl?

I wish my grass was EMO so it would cut itself...I apologize, I had too. Carry on. :cool:

[Ethancf]

I don't think I would ever buy Emotiva because of this thread and now I can't stand the word.

[suprafantx]

Emo = money wise.

I did not expect XPA-5 has the quality for that price. I am glad to find them out from this forum. No doubt I will buy more Emo gears.

[F1nut]

cant hep it if all they taught you was to naught, figur and cipher when you was skoollin.

RT1

LOL.....




I'm bad, I'm nationwide.....Tickle my EMO!

F1

[JohnLocke88]

So I'm starting to agree with this thread's first post. Polk might as well be getting paid for the amount of advertising they're doing for them (by having this forum full of Emo fans).

[bigred7078]

So I'm starting to agree with this thread's first post. Polk might as well be getting paid for the amount of advertising they're doing for them (by having this forum full of Emo fans).

lol the Emotiva forum is full of polk lovers, whats the difference. :D

[Igo]

I've read everything in this thread 4 times but I smoke a lot of crack.
So what do you guys think about EMO? Every heard of'm?

[mmadden28]

So I'm starting to agree with this thread's first post. Polk might as well be getting paid for the amount of advertising they're doing for them (by having this forum full of Emo fans).

and Carver, and Adcom, and Rotel, and Nad, and BlueJeans, and Signal, and MIT, and Audioquest, and McIntosh, and Velodyne, and SVS, and Onkyo, and Yahama, and Denon, and Sony... and ... and ... :rolleyes:;)

[Igo]

My guess is there isn't a living horse on this web site. LOL

[criverajr]

I got some Emo gear for sale, check it out yourself and then come back to the forum and let us know what you think:D

CRj

[cfrizz]

Bingo! We talk about gear we have, know & like. Or if it's a common sense cheap buy. It is NOT just limited to Emotiva. Sheesh you guys get a life!:rolleyes::p


and Carver, and Adcom, and Rotel, and Nad, and BlueJeans, and Signal, and MIT, and Audioquest, and McIntosh, and Velodyne, and SVS, and Onkyo, and Yahama, and Denon, and Sony... and ... and ... :rolleyes:;)

[pearsall001]

ShackDaddy--Is priceedure a Tennessee thing?????

So what's after a thick skin??? I am thinking Alligator skin, big rough, nasty can cut you and make you bleed alligator skin, you can pound all day long on it and end up losing your body part.

Yea, that what we old guys got--Alligator Skin.

RT1

Yo Ted!! Man oh man you really dissapointed me here. You made it thru a 53 word post without ever using the the word "tubes" once. Shame on you. I'll help you out here.

Oh yeah...tubes rule. (open for discussion)

[Mike21]

Hello eveyone. I am a refugee from the Cicuit City Forums. :( I've also been on the Audiogon Forums for about 6 months. Until I read this thread I never heard of Emotiva. I guess its too expensive for the CC people and too cheap for the Audiogon rich people.

Back in the day, "EMO" was Emerson Fittipaldi, the Fomula One driving champion.

Anyways, 2 channels on my 20 year old NAD 601 amp blew this afternoon. So, I'm looking for a new amp and Outlaw is on my short list. Guess I'll take a look at the EMOs too. ;)

Mike21

[cfrizz]

Welcome to Club Polk Mike!

I think you nailed the other forums perfectly. We tend to fall into the middle of the pack. We don't scrape the bottom of the barrel & most of us do try to shoot for the sky is the limit. But we are not afraid or too cheap to try new things especially if it will improve how our systems sound. Even if if costs more.

We have a ton of newbies right now who are discovering the wonder of the joys of separate amplification. :cool:

At least we don't have to educate you about it!:D