Crazy lady and I need help. Please! [Archive]

treitz3

01-22-2009, 01:58 AM

I have a neighbor that is driving the neighborhood bonkers. Here's the deal. I have this crazy lady that lives in my neighborhood. Now, when I mean crazy, I mean crazy. I have heard her talk to her puppy that isn't more than a year old and tells it "If you had taken the pills I told you to take years ago, you wouldn't be the way you are!".

Um, ok. The puppy is not even a year old and in fact, you are talking to a dog. Not a human being that can even comprehend WTF you are saying. This is par for the norm with this lady.

Everyday, without fail, she will "chat" to herself or supposedly on the phone with someone that she has been violated, sexually abused or the fact that somehow, someway she has been put down in a manner that is not acceptable to her. Normally this is part of someone's life that one would like to keep to him/herself. Then again, to her, this is apparently not the case. Normally I wouldn't care. BUT..............

This lady has all of her windows closed. All doors shut. Her house is totally sealed from the "normal" world. Or so you would think. She is so loud that I can't even hold a normal conversation on the phone on my front porch and I'm more than 100' away! I can even hear this one lady on my back porch. There is nothing I can do to shut her the F up! Nothing. Folks down at the end of the block can hear her clear as day. Not soft or to where the point to where you have to strain to hear her but LOUD. This is NOT normal.

I have pounded her door so hard that I can see light coming in from her townhouse when I pound at it. I'm quite sure that I have damaged her entrance and I have rang her doorbell constantly for multiple minutes at a time [sometimes upward of over 20 minutes]. Really, no lie and though normally this is not my demeanor, this has become commonplace. Hear me out.

We [the HOA and the community] have tried every possible angle to get this lady ousted from the community. Here's the catch.

She has a court recognized mental disorder that they are forced [under law] to recognize. There is nothing that they can do. The lady answered the door one time and she got arrested. Now, she knows that if she doesn't answer the door, she won't get arrested for public disturbance. This is where the issue starts. Her noise when talking is about 60-70, maybe 90 to 100 db above normal talking levels. I don't even think that my stereo can.............no, my stereo can't make the amount of noise that travels that far to disturb all the neighbors. No bull, and my rig can make some noise as most of you know.

This lady has had the cops called on her over 50 some odd times. I have even had the Captain of the police force out here to speak with me. I told him that I was the VP of the HOA and gave him the history of what was going on. He even heard her rant excessively as I was talking with him. There is nothing that he could do. He phoned the chief of police and because she had a court recognized mental disorder, there was nothing he could do.

Dangit, there's GOT to be something that can be done. Something. Because of the privy information I have, I know that 9 different neighbors have called the cops on her and her BS. Sometimes, 3 neighbors at a time calling, all at the same time resulting in 5 cop cars showing up. She's been arrested once and the court dismissed the charges because of her mental disorder.

What would you suggest if you were in my neighborhood's position? We are a [normally quiet] townhouse community in which all neighbors are cordial, polite and respectful of one another. This is something we are not prepared for and I would like to ask for some assistance please. Is their anything that you would suggest?

treitz3

01-22-2009, 02:02 AM

Whatever you might suggest, please make it legal. This is something that will make our little neighborhood a much better place to live. Any and all advice is more than welcome.

leroyjr1

01-22-2009, 02:09 AM

Do you own a gun? How far are you from the woods:)

Might be time to move.

treitz3

01-22-2009, 02:21 AM

Moving is not an option at this point. I would love to but with today's economy and our income, it is not feasible. I wish it were.

Besides, why should we have to move because of her? There have been enough folks that hve moved already. I would just like to know how to nip this issue in the bud. There has to be something that we can do. She's driving down the value of our property. That's just not right.

CaligulaPolk

01-22-2009, 02:25 AM

treitz3

01-22-2009, 02:31 AM

That's not an option. I was on the phone with another forum owner the other day and I couldn't hear him. I'd like to reiterate that I'm 100 or more feet away from this ladies house. I should be able to carry on a conversation over the phone with her being that far away..........considering her windows and doors are already shut.

I have [and my neighbors have] ignored enough.

manman

01-22-2009, 02:38 AM

based on everything you described, it doesn't really seem like there is anything you can legally do, but move out. You can't force her to live somewhere else, and I don't know what the deal is with her mental disorder but it sounds like that will make it hard to get her on any disturbance issue either...

Sound proof your home??

SKsolutions

01-22-2009, 02:40 AM

Get her committed.

lightman1

01-22-2009, 03:09 AM

Shut yer pie-hole Tom!
Is it the neighbor out front and to the right across the street? I thought some folks were fighting last time I was there. She is LOUD!
Punch her in the throat. That'll do the trick!

treitz3

01-22-2009, 03:24 AM

Yes, that's her. It's just her though. Talking to herself, I guess. Nobody would want to listen to her rants. Not even her mother. Not for that long. Not at that level.

Rivrrat

01-22-2009, 03:31 AM

Check for noise ordinances and get yourself a decibel meter.

CaligulaPolk

01-22-2009, 03:41 AM

call police and all they can do tell her to shut up, best legal way to do so.

BlueFox

01-22-2009, 04:06 AM

call police and all they can do tell her to shut up, best legal way to do so.

That works, but you have to be persistent. I had an alcoholic redneck for a neighbor who, every Friday and Saturday, had his alcoholic friends over. Year round they would sit outside screaming and yelling until 4-5 AM. I almost sold my Polk SDAs because Polk sold outdoor speakers that this fool installed, and blasted music into his backyard, and into my house. I loved his rational for his behaviour, "Its my right."

Anyway, after a while he got tired of the cops always showing up so he moved.

JohnLocke88

01-22-2009, 04:12 AM

Have you checked the related civil laws regarding this. If you don't have any options in the criminal realm (disturbing the peace, etc). My best suggestion is to get good legal counsel to see what you really "can't" and "can" do.

danger boy

01-22-2009, 04:50 AM

there should be something in writing in your housing agreement that all residents have to abide by.... no excessive noise, ie: no loud stereos, no loud parties, etc. her excessive voice should fall into that category. you may have to send her a legal notice with 30 days to correct her noise problem.. or else she could be evicted from the townhouse property.

#2 call her mental health case worker. get that person's name and phone number and call them each time she yells loudly. mention to that case worker that she is always "talking about killing herself" lie if you have to. Tell her case worker you are concerned for her welfare.. and that she may need to be admitted into the care of a 24 hour mental hospital so that she doesn't harm herself or others.

the court's should realize that even though she has severe mental problems, she still has to abide by the law... and she may be breaking a noise ordinince in your neighborhood.

good luck.. this seems like a tough one to fight.

george daniel

01-22-2009, 06:33 AM

Tom,, your best approach may be through your local mental health agency/provider.Surely there is soneone,visiting nurse etc, that can check on her and maybe get her to stay compliant with her meds-etc. Good luck,hopefully your county has some rules/regulations that can be enforced to everyones satisfaction.

mewisemagic

01-22-2009, 09:49 AM

have you tried asking her out on a date:)

TNRabbit

01-22-2009, 10:02 AM

have you tried asking her out on a date:)

OR...perhaps to join you & your wife in a threesome?

Face

01-22-2009, 10:35 AM

have you tried asking her out on a date:)He can't do that, she's not related.

John30_30

01-22-2009, 11:12 AM

Lower the Cone of Silence.

Google white-noise generators. It may work. Seriously. You and the neighbors may have to set up a network of them. Research it.

Here's one that looks high-end. http://www.lencore.com/product-files/Spectrai-NetMusicPageInterfaceCutSheet.pdf

Airplay355

01-22-2009, 11:16 AM

Imagine what the poor dog has to go through.

ohskigod

01-22-2009, 11:47 AM

Tom,

you gotta get the neighbors together and consult an attorney. IF the criminal realm is giving you resistance due to her "court recognized mental illness", then civil is the way to go. she obviously has assets (the house/condo)

gather evidence (a camera to record the house and noise coming from it with time stamps/dates et.al.) This might work both for a civil case, as well as documentation for the caseworker (it its "recognized, she has to have one....find him/her, most likly county/state level)

gotta channel that frustration into things that will get results. getting the neighbors together will keep costs of any activity down.

dont underestimate the lack of communication on government. given this lady's activities, in NJ she would already be labeled a threat to herself and removed if her activities were known and documented.......if your state doesnt know, and the police wont tell them.....guess what you have to do.

either way, your 2 pronged attack is

a) civil litigation....class action perhaps with you and neighbors.....get out there and talk to them and get them all on the same page. wanna know if this lady is crazy? see how she responds to a possible 5-6 figure lien on her condo. might not give immediate results, but when she sells the condo, you could be a happy camper when the money goes to you and your neighbors.

b) State/county authority in charge of her case. Believe me, if a ton of neighbors complain to a government agency, action might be taken. gotta be the annoying squeaky persistent as balls wheel on this, you and every neighbor, on a unified front. if the agency still resists. bitch to every level of government you can.....mayor/cpouncil. state assemblyman, gongressman, senator. every elected official you elect. again, the more people on a unified from doing this as a whole, the better

wingnut4772

01-22-2009, 12:33 PM

If it's a homeowner's association I am thinking that you guys have some authority to decide who can and can't live there. She must be in some kind of violation with all the disorderly activity. You may have to , as an association, act upon your bylaws or whatever to get her out.

As far as the popo go, if they don't witness it, and she's not outside, they are very limited.

Another option is if she has a family member they may be able to get a judge to get an ex parte order for her if they can convince him that she's a danger to herself or others but that's also a temporary solution. (although she may get help) Her association application should have a contact (maybe?) that could help you. It's a very difficult situation.

Jstas

01-22-2009, 12:39 PM

Ya know, I saw the title of this thread and I thought "Man, dude shouldn't talk about his wife/girlfriend like that."

Then I read the post and was like "Dang. That sucks."

madmax

01-22-2009, 02:23 PM

disneyjoe7

01-22-2009, 02:42 PM

I was thinking along the same line, but with talk shows. Playing several of them with speakers aimed at her house. The talks should drive her over the edge so to speak.

sucks2beme

01-22-2009, 03:32 PM

Sounds like my sister in law. I moved 1500 miles away.
And it's still not far enough.

Jstas

01-22-2009, 04:11 PM

Take the Mimi approach from The Drew Carey Show and set up some large venue speakers and blast Van Halen's "Panama" 24/7. That'll get attention for sure!

treitz3

01-22-2009, 08:47 PM

As far as the popo go, if they don't witness it, and she's not outside, they are very limited.

Another option is if she has a family member they may be able to get a judge to get an ex parte order for her if they can convince him that she's a danger to herself or others but that's also a temporary solution. (although she may get help) Her association application should have a contact (maybe?) that could help you. It's a very difficult situation.The cops always witness it but she is never outside and even when she does [on a rare occasion] walk her dog, she's as quite as a mouse. She even yells and curses at the officers when they knock on her door. She knows not to answer it because if she does, she will get a violation or a quick jail visit. I had a Sergeant come out once and he said that they could issue her a $375.00 noise violation if it is before or after certain hours. I thought, cool. We'll just hit her financially.

After that meeting, not one cop has given her a violation and they have witnessed her banging as hard as she could on the front door and yelling at them at the top of her lungs at 3:00 in the morning. When I ask them to issue her a violation, they give me some song and dance and they end up driving away and not doing a thing because she won't answer the door. :mad:

We had, oh about three or four weeks ago 5 cop cars show up. She got into one of her fits and apparently multiple folks called the cops. What happened? Not a damn thing. She wouldn't answer the door. So, the 8 or so neighbors who were outside, freezing our buns off in the rain stood out there as the cops did nothing but give us the runaround on why they have their hands tied. It's VERY frustrating.

As far as her family goes, her mother stops by rarely. I saw her one time and asked her if she could do anything about what her daughter does. She looked at me as if to say "F off" but held it in and said "I will have a talk with her". Nothing happened. It turns out that in chatting with the officers, she has gone from neighborhood to neighborhood doing the same thing she's doing here. Most all of the officers that come know her by name, her case officer [they will not release her information and I don't know how to get it] and what neighborhoods she has lived in prior to coming here. They also inform me that they know her mother's number [which they will not release] and that her mother is in complete denial that her child has any issues. :eek:

We live in a quiet townhouse community with only one exception. That would be her. She needs to live out on a 4 acre lot, far away from another house and NOT 6" away from two neighbors. Why her mom buys her a freakin' townhouse with her history is beyond me. She knows what's gonna happen to all of her daughter's neighbors.

Oskigod, nice post. Thanks and we will look into what you said. I am the VP of our HOA and we have a meeting in two days. She has been brought up before [when I wasn't on the board] and the board said that they can not do anything. Now that I'm on, I might get a little bit more action. We'll see. As for the neighbors coming together? We are working on it, trying to find out every possible angle on how we can resolve this situation before we blow thousands on a lawyer.

The saddest thing about this whole situation is that on one side of her, the couple living there have two small children. Both of them are less than three years old. That family is scared to death of this lady and will not call the police because of fear of her retaliating on them and somehow harming the kids. The house on the other side of her, no one has lived there for about two years and for some strange reason, it won't sell. :rolleyes:

Conradicles

01-22-2009, 08:58 PM

Have Russ go down and change her lights...then she will fall in love and be healed.

Just kidding...had to try to add a bit of humor...

CaligulaPolk

01-22-2009, 09:49 PM

lit brown bag with poop in it on fire and ring the doorbell! hahaha

bad idea....:p

John30_30

01-22-2009, 10:29 PM

I guess you don't want to try the white noise?

Maybe you can get a lawyer to file something creative against the mother, who must be the custodial relative?
In which case, She's the one responsible, as you point out, so maybe she could also be found legally responsible for emotional distress, pain, etc, etc..

disneyjoe7

01-22-2009, 10:34 PM

Sorry nothing easy here, just try to make her life hard she will leave.

BeRad

01-22-2009, 11:31 PM

Blast the volume on a good war movie all day long. Get a bunch of neighbors to do it. Lots of gunshots, lots of explosions. Do whatever you can to just scare the shat out of her. Maybe she'll just hit the deck and shut the f up.

Failing that... well... no body: no crim... ohh you said legal. :(

I hope you are able to figure this one out. Quite the pickle you got there.

treitz3

01-22-2009, 11:42 PM

I guess you don't want to try the white noise?How could that work with her? She has to hit close to 110 or so decibels to hear her from so far away with all of her doors and windows shut and I see that it only attenuates 48db. Plus, I have reservations that it would even work period. Maybe it's because I don't understand it but I still have reservations about it working effectively.

Something creative that gets at the mother? Now that's an angle that seems possible. I'll have to look into that. Good thinking. ;)

lightman1

01-22-2009, 11:49 PM

Something creative that gets at the mother? Now that's an angle that seems possible. I'll have to look into that. Good thinking. ;)

For you Tom, I'll take a poke at her Mom and see if she'll sign everything over to me.:cool:

ben62670

01-22-2009, 11:58 PM

Try stinky stuff. Toss roadkill on her lawn in the AM hours:D Maybe instead of loud noises you could try whispering voices?

treitz3

01-23-2009, 12:24 AM

Try stinky stuff.We are actually looking into that. I don't know how effective it would be because the last time she answered the door when I knocked a couple of months back, I reared back from the pungent smell of dog piss. It was absolutely disgusting!

She has only lived there for three years and the walls look like they haven't had a paint job in 35 years. It's incomprehensible how, even with a mental disorder, people could live like that. Poor dog. :(

CaligulaPolk

01-23-2009, 12:35 AM

lunazul

01-23-2009, 12:36 AM

We are actually looking into that. I don't know how effective it would be because the last time she answered the door when I knocked a couple of months back, I reared back from the pungent smell of dog piss. It was absolutely disgusting!

She has only lived there for three years and the walls look like they haven't had a paint job in 35 years. It's incomprehensible how, even with a mental disorder, people could live like that. Poor dog. :(

How about the heath dept.? If it is really nasty and these units are connected, isn't that an issue for adjoining units?
Call them about a strange odor coming from a neighbor's home and you haven't seen her in a while.

fossy

01-23-2009, 12:37 AM

How does she get away with living by herself ???? That's what i don't understand.... Her damn family are the one's you should be lookin up. Next time her mother or anyone else comes by, get their license plate # & you can find out where they live & start bugging them about it. I'm willing to bet, it wouldn't be the first time someone came knocking on their door because of this exact problem.

Gotta be some reason she is not living with family. CAUSE THEY DON'T WANNA DEAL WITH HER. So they make other ppl have to deal with it.

Wonder if there is some way to find out where she moved from ??? If so, the neighbors there might have the answer.

ben62670

01-23-2009, 12:44 AM

CaligulaPolk

01-23-2009, 12:45 AM

piss her off more with dog situation and itll might teach her shut the F up!

treitz3

01-23-2009, 12:48 AM

How about the heath dept.? If it is really nasty and these units are connected, isn't that an issue for adjoining units?
Call them about a strange odor coming from a neighbor's home and you haven't seen her in a while.Would the health department come or would they send the police / fire department? CaligulaPolk, trust me, this lady is NOT a normal resident of Charlotte. I have painted 6 or 7 of my neighbors houses and they all have spotless houses, they are quiet and live successful, normal lives. This lady is just out there. WAY out there. I just went out to smoke and she's over there talking about some dude who called her crazy today. Apparently she is upset that someone would say that. Of course, she's denying that she's crazy and she's questioning why someone would say such a thing.

I have to admit, sometimes this lady is a freakin' trip. Especially when she carries on a one-way conversation with her dog. She talks to it like it's a person. Very sad.

Face

01-23-2009, 12:59 AM

That's a good I dea. Pretend you are concerned for her,and the dog:) Call PETA:D
Animal Control. ;)

snow

01-23-2009, 02:35 AM

Bose noise cancelling headphones for you? Feed her sumthin that takes away her voice?

Who owns the house? perhaps you can contact them. Or maybe have the public health people do a check and have the house condemmed as uninhabitable?.

REGARDS SNOW

danger boy

01-23-2009, 04:41 AM

We are actually looking into that. I don't know how effective it would be because the last time she answered the door when I knocked a couple of months back, I reared back from the pungent smell of dog piss. It was absolutely disgusting!

She has only lived there for three years and the walls look like they haven't had a paint job in 35 years. It's incomprehensible how, even with a mental disorder, people could live like that. Poor dog. :(

oh there is a possibility. call the local human shelter and tell them her dog is in danger because she can't care for it herself and the last time you were there her entire house smelled of strong dog urine or feces. and let them know that she may have other pets inside that need medical attention. the local humane shelter her is very aggressive when it comes to pet hoarding or any kind of mistreatment of pets.

John30_30

01-23-2009, 10:39 AM

How could that work with her? She has to hit close to 110 or so decibels to hear her from so far away with all of her doors and windows shut and I see that it only attenuates 48db. Plus, I have reservations that it would even work period. Maybe it's because I don't understand it but I still have reservations about it working effectively.

Something creative that gets at the mother? Now that's an angle that seems possible. I'll have to look into that. Good thinking. ;)

Keep in mind that it's possible the mother and daughter have been down this road before, and that if you choose to go legal, it becomes hardball. I'm not a lawyer, nor do I play one on forums, but I'd really give it a hard think. Even if there are homeowners community laws and she is clearly breaking them, you and your neighbors can be sued. The possibility of a lawsuit by someone who is legally handicapped is probably terrifying the police, and it should you too.

Imagine what a hard lawyer could do with it alleging discrimination? Have you all ever invited her to a cookout? Even slipping a letter under her door for some social get-together like that? I sure as hell would.

I'd also have an audio expert record samples from around the neighborhood.

But first, I'd look at the white noise solution, I'd be calling those people up and bugging the heck out of them. Way preferable to going legal.

Just my 2 cents.

John30_30

01-23-2009, 11:02 AM

bump-

The word I was looking for was "exposure", as in you and your neighbors. \

Also, I'd think real hard about that look the mother gave you and everything it signified.

Good luck.

sucks2beme

01-23-2009, 12:28 PM

OR...perhaps to join you & your wife in a threesome?

NOOOO! She sounds like a "boil your rabbit" kind of girl!

goingganzo

01-23-2009, 12:39 PM

blast ultra low frencys at her hous of the sub sonic range

madmax

01-23-2009, 02:22 PM

blast ultra low frencys at her hous of the sub sonic range

Then run around screaming "Earthquake, Earthquake!" :D

4406bbl

01-23-2009, 02:25 PM

Buy the townhouse next to her and rent it to some even lower life scumbags. I feel for ya,we had a mental case move in once,same story as yours only 4 dogs and what a pig, luckily I rented a building I owned next door to her to some Lomas gangbangers and they drove her off, cops finally busted the bangers and it is peaceful again, it works. I had a steel plate in front of my house while this was going on in case a shooting broke out,what a nightmare.

Face

01-23-2009, 02:31 PM

4406bbl

01-23-2009, 02:39 PM

The squeaky wheel gets the grease. As mentioned before, call(annoy) as many others as often as possible until the situation is resolved.

Maybe a trip to the sanitarium for a few days might get her on the right meds. A few days in county would also have her acting sane in a short period of time.

Trouble is they bring em back,they go off the meds and you are right back to square one. They should not be allowed to put people like that anywhere near normal people. The one we had would go nuts at night,threaten people,then seven cop cars and the white coats would show up,while you get no sleep. You will be in the looney bin if you play that game.

treitz3

09-10-2009, 02:40 AM

The lady is still going at it..........I can hear her inside my house right now. That's two walls, about 100'+ feet on top of ambient sounds. Damn, I hate that woman. So do my neighbors. Grrrrrr.

sTiLlLeArNiNg

09-10-2009, 02:50 AM

lit brown bag with poop in it on fire and ring the doorbell! Hahaha

+1 :d

Face

09-10-2009, 02:51 AM

xj4094dg

09-10-2009, 03:32 AM

Set up a pa system, set up a tape loop which replays a second or two later everything it records, aim the speaker at the house and turn it up. I've been thinking about doing this for a barking dog.

My God man! What a great idea! I have a couple of Sheps next door that wake me up every day. They sometimes sound like they are in my bedroom.
This might be fun to try.....:cool: Of course, I'll be using digital recording devices and playback on the Polks.;)

brettw22

09-10-2009, 02:39 PM

If y'all are bitching about it 9 months later and haven't done anything to get it resolved, that's ridiculous..........

Willow

09-10-2009, 02:55 PM

does she go out and check the mail? if she does send her a letter from the HOA stating they are going to call Animal control as the animal is being mistreated due to the living conditions. Urine and filth not to mention the noise

Face

09-10-2009, 03:06 PM

Brett, you should go over there and take care of her for Tom. If you can't scare her, I don't think anyone can. :D

Face

09-10-2009, 03:06 PM

concealer404

09-10-2009, 03:11 PM

Mail fraud is a federal offense.

OP has been working with the HOA...

Mike682

09-10-2009, 03:27 PM

Sounds like this woman is mentally ill and is receiving minimal, if any professional support. Since there is a noted mental disability, you will not get much (if any)information on her, such as her current diagnosis, meds, supports, etc.

Based on the info in the thread: rarely leaves house (how does she get food, etc.), screaming, never answers the door, cops rarely go in the house, family rarely visits, few if any observed visits from a social worker-case worker, etc., you could try your local adult protective services and report a possible neglect claim. Give them a call and describe what you see and feel and your concern for her health and well-being.

http://www.ncdhhs.gov/aging/ombud/ombabuse.htm

everpress

09-10-2009, 03:41 PM

Set up a pa system, set up a tape loop which replays a second or two later everything it records, aim the speaker at the house and turn it up. I've been thinking about doing this for a barking dog. Should freak her out if she can hear it. :)

Does she see birds too?

Actually, she can't really complain then that you play music loud, could be a good thing.

I like this idea, except record her voice and play it back at the same level in the direction of her house. If she's really crazy, imagine how weirded out she'll be when she hears her own voice blaring at her about some sh!t she was ranting about a few minutes ago....

Willow

09-10-2009, 04:02 PM

Mail fraud is a federal offense.

OP has been working with the HOA...

Not only is the OP working with, he is also VP of the HOA. So it's not fraud.

Face

09-10-2009, 04:18 PM

Sorry, I should have re-read the thread. Regardless, it sounds like he's SOL.

Willow

09-10-2009, 04:19 PM

Sorry, I should have re-read the thread. Regardless, it sounds like he's SOL.

I think so as well. Sorry OP.

treitz3

09-10-2009, 04:43 PM

If y'all are bitching about it 9 months later and haven't done anything to get it resolved, that's ridiculous..........No, what's ridiculous is that we are very limited in what we can do. Both as a board and as homeowners. The latest plan of attack is documenting [all of the neighbors] when she has her little fits and what she is talking about. Every time. When it gets incredibly loud, angry and obnoxious , we will videotape and record the rant, noting the time and date. We will also be recording the db levels.

We will obtain a printout and 3 separate case #'s of all of the times officers have been out [well over 80 times, so many I don't keep track anymore] and this will show that it's an ongoing problem.

Next, we have to go as a community and present all of this to a judge. If, and I do mean "if", the judge agrees that we have a case then he will issue a summons for her to appear in court. If she doesn't show up, then they have the right to issue a warrant for her arrest. She might want to answer the door at that point.

Now, here's the kicker. Since she has a court recognized mental disorder, the judge [may be a different judge] has the right to throw it out. At that point we are back to square one.

You got a suggestion to what we can legally do? I'm all ears. As a board, we can't do anything because her mom is current on all her bills. The captain of the police force says that his hands are tied and that the officers have no rights to anything but knock on the door......even when she's on one of her anger rants with 5 cop cars and 6 officers at 3 in the morning. We can not or have not been able to get her mental case workers information and we can not prove animal abuse. For some reason, the law says that we can't shoot her either. So, what would you do?

shack

09-10-2009, 04:49 PM

So, what would you do?

Move. F the economy, job, etc... Life is simply too short to put up with crap you can do nothing about.

Mike682

09-10-2009, 05:15 PM

You got a suggestion to what we can legally do? I'm all ears.

We can not or have not been able to get her mental case workers information and we can not prove animal abuse

Honestly, if the family will not talk, try calling APS as I noted in post #65 in this thread;)

If she has a disability, you will not have access to her mental disability info/services..only her legal guardian/parent has that privilege.

everpress

09-10-2009, 05:17 PM

No, what's ridiculous is that we are very limited in what we can do. Both as a board and as homeowners. The latest plan of attack is documenting [all of the neighbors] when she has her little fits and what she is talking about. Every time. When it gets incredibly loud, angry and obnoxious , we will videotape and record the rant, noting the time and date. We will also be recording the db levels.

We will obtain a printout and 3 separate case #'s of all of the times officers have been out [well over 80 times, so many I don't keep track anymore] and this will show that it's an ongoing problem.

Next, we have to go as a community and present all of this to a judge. If, and I do mean "if", the judge agrees that we have a case then he will issue a summons for her to appear in court. If she doesn't show up, then they have the right to issue a warrant for her arrest. She might want to answer the door at that point.

Now, here's the kicker. Since she has a court recognized mental disorder, the judge [may be a different judge] has the right to throw it out. At that point we are back to square one.

You got a suggestion to what we can legally do? I'm all ears. As a board, we can't do anything because her mom is current on all her bills. The captain of the police force says that his hands are tied and that the officers have no rights to anything but knock on the door......even when she's on one of her anger rants with 5 cop cars and 6 officers at 3 in the morning. We can not or have not been able to get her mental case workers information and we can not prove animal abuse. For some reason, the law says that we can't shoot her either. So, what would you do?

There has to be something. Mental disability or not she's not within the law if she is causing disturbances. Mental disability is not above the law. If there isn't anything that can be done criminally, perhaps a civil suit is in order.
I'm sure that you could pool the HOA together for some kind of wrong doing on her part or the part of her mother/caretaker. If not, I bet you can get someone there to, with just and rightful cause, sue for mental anguish.
No one signed up to live next to a mental institution, I'm sure parents don't feel safe with that behavior/language around their children, and it could very well be driving the value of property in that neighborhood down.

nadams

09-10-2009, 05:45 PM

You've got a HOA... aren't you supposed to be able to kick people out of their houses for leaving their hose on too long?

Face

09-10-2009, 05:46 PM

You've got a HOA... aren't you supposed to be able to kick people out of their houses for leaving their hose on too long?
I know, right. These are the same people who complain if your Christmas lights are up a week too long.

CTTE

09-10-2009, 05:52 PM

TNRabbit

09-10-2009, 06:37 PM

I feel for you Tom. If it's any consolation, I'd GLADLY trade my ex to have your b*tch next door...

SolidSqual

09-10-2009, 06:42 PM

Adult Protective SErvices! Best answer yet!

treitz3

11-18-2009, 11:34 PM

She finally got hauled off tonight. After 5 to 7 cop cars got here and a lot of discussion and door banging [4 hours worth], she got hauled off. That doesn't mean that in the AM she'll still be gone, but that's twice now that she got the "Go to jail card". That's more progress than we have seen in a LONG time.

Tonight was the first night we found out her mother's phone number. Tonight was the first night her mom came out and pleaded for her to come out........"that they were not going to harm her"...according to her mom. I have a feeling this will be the last time this will happen.

disneyjoe7

11-19-2009, 12:15 AM

The woman isn't in her right mind, sad too see I actually feel for her. And of cause feel for her neighbors, those people need to be someone outside of main stream life.

sTiLlLeArNiNg

11-19-2009, 01:31 AM

Hopefully they wil get this woman the help she need's so that she can stop causing problem's for your neighbourhood

Face

11-19-2009, 10:01 AM

Is she home yet?

SKsolutions

11-19-2009, 11:24 AM

Quickly paint the front of the house and change the number. . . ask her how the move was.

bigaudiofanatic

11-19-2009, 11:36 AM

All I can think of is move lol

kevhed72

11-19-2009, 11:37 AM

Dig a hole / trap in her front yard while she is gone, cover with a tarp and then leaves and grass, then place a replica / stuffed animal that looks like her little dog on top. I think you get the idea....

treitz3

11-19-2009, 12:22 PM

Is she home yet?Surprisingly, no. Not yet. The neighborhood is actually quiet.

apphd

11-19-2009, 12:49 PM

Enjoy it, and hope it lasts. Too bad it came to this, but probably better for her in the long run, and better for you and your neighbors all the way around.

disneyjoe7

11-19-2009, 01:08 PM

quickly paint the front of the house and change the number. . . Ask her how the move was.

lol:)

Jstas

11-19-2009, 01:39 PM

She's probably locked up in a crisis unit while mental health practitioners try to work with her about what's going on. If she's really that messed up, she'll get carted off to a long-term facility. Especially if her parent has put her in there. But if this isn't the first time this has happened, the state has likely mandated evaluation and her release is pending the outcome of that evaluation.

If further treatment is recommended, she will not be released on her own and she will either have to go live with a parent or some designated guardian until her prescribed treatment period is up or, if no guardian is available, she will become a ward of the state and carted off to the state hospital for her treatment.

Then again, just because her treatment period is up doesn't mean she will be released. That depends on what the doctors say.

If she comes back and is unattended then somebody needs to do something about getting her the help she needs. Who, I dunno but it's clear she isn't well and the system has failed her.

And yes, most states operate that way when dealing with people who are mentally ill. Don't ask me how I know, just understand that my experience is in depth.

treitz3

11-19-2009, 02:24 PM

Jstas

11-19-2009, 02:39 PM

Well, I have her mom's phone number now. The next time the cops hit the property, I will have them call her again as this is the most action I've seen in years. Apparently, she is only about 10 minutes away. She [crazy lady] is still not back as of late.

That's the best approach because her mother will have access to medical records that the cops are not allowed to have access to without a search warrant. And even then, they will have to jump through some serious hoops because of the HIPAA laws.

ohskigod

11-19-2009, 02:45 PM

hey Tom,

are you sure the woman in question owns that joint and not the Mom? I remember you saying that the mom is current on all the bills.

Ownership records are usually public, mental disorder or not. if you are not 100% sure who owns that townhouse, get to 100%......fast

cstmar01

11-19-2009, 02:47 PM

I was going to say put saranrap across her door so that when when she walks in she'll get tangled in it and be stuck outside and get hauled off again, jk thats mean and horrible idea.
anways, because of her mental illness issues it is hard to do anything legally. the only other option i would say like you said is go before the courts and file a complaint that she is not able to live in society without disturbing others, and that it causes lack of sleep and affects your daily life so that no one can be able to go about their daily life in a normal functioning manor. If you can PROVE that it does affect your work, sleep, family enviroment, ect then the judge will typically, not always because it depends on the judge, will see that she would need to at least have someone at the home with her, and monitor her because then she would be have to quite at least when that person is there. If that person would say fail to show up, then it would be an issue of abuse because they are failing to provide her care, and could then move her into a home that would have someone care for her all the time.
otherwise too the judge could say that because she is clearly not able to live in society and comingle with others, then she would have to either have to live in a home where she can be watched, ect, or move to an area that is not so close to others, like her own house ect.
Or you could just go to the doctor and be diagnosed with a "mental illness" as well and then just blast music at her 24-7. so that way if she would complain they can't do anythign to you, you have a disorder. Jk again, i knew someone that did this, except it didn't turn out so well.