pre 1980's muscle car porn

[danger boy]

oh please can I have one of these some day?

1970 Ford Grand Torino Cobra

Schweet! :D

[danger boy]

another hot muscle car

1972 Chevelle SS :D

[danger boy]

1966 Pontiac GTO

Yum! :)

my brother had a 66' Red GTO (this is not his) ;)

[Keiko]

Niiiiiice! Love cars from this era. My fave has always been the Chevy's. The 69 Camero especially. Just something drop dead sexy about em'. :cool:

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/921a4d0799.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)

[audiobliss]

I agree with the above! I also like the early 70's Camaro, too.
http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-1970-1979/1971-Chevrolet-Camaro-Z28-Blue-po.jpg
And this is definitely one of my favorites!
http://www.limit4000.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/shelby_cobra_427_1967.jpg

[themuskr]

Nothin like good ol' american muscle:)

[audiobliss]

Nothin like good ol' american muscle:)

That's for sure!

My friend just took his dad's '66 Chevelle out for a spin tonight and recorded three vids of it. It's got a 385 in it backed by a M20 four speed. It's cold in the first two videos, but I really like the way it adds to the lopey idle. But, then again, it sounds great all warmed up in the last vid, to!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v173/kingcars/NewChevellePics004.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v173/kingcars/NewChevellePics007.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v173/kingcars/NewChevellePics008.jpg


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[mmadden28]

That's for sure!

My friend just took his dad's '66 Chevelle out for a spin tonight ....

Chevelle or Malibu?

[66chevyIISS]

Chevelle or Malibu?

They are the same thing. Malibu was a trim level.

[mmadden28]

Ahh I was wunderin'-learn somethin new every hour.

[sucks2beme]

Niiiiiice! Love cars from this era. My fave has always been the Chevy's. The 69 Camero especially. Just something drop dead sexy about em'. :cool:

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/921a4d0799.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)

Ok. That's enough to make me cry. I had one in black.
Maybe it's time for the new one?

[Motzart]

oh please can I have one of these some day?

1970 Ford Grand Torino Cobra

Schweet! :D

I used to gather reference pics and info for my 1:25 Model Car builder Buddies.

You might wanna see this!

http://public.fotki.com/Karz/11_reference_1/70_torino_cobra_twister/

[Motzart]

Me not being a Bow Tie fan I want some Mopar or Early Ford Muscle.

http://images17.fotki.com/v9/photos/1/11671/141208/DSC01310-vi.jpg

http://images6.fotki.com/v1/photos/1/11671/20692/P1010936-vi.jpg
http://images31.fotki.com/v1101/photos/1/11671/20692/P1010941-vi.jpg?1232874363

[mantis]

I agree with the above! I also like the early 70's Camaro, too.
http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-1970-1979/1971-Chevrolet-Camaro-Z28-Blue-po.jpg
And this is definitely one of my favorites!
http://www.limit4000.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/shelby_cobra_427_1967.jpg

Dude.... man I loved these cars. Actually I'm a fan of every single year F body.. From the very first to the very last. I love them all. Camaro or Firebird, it doesn't matter.

If I had a huge car collector garage, and money to go along with this dream, I would have 1 or 2 of every single year Camaro and Firebird.

I know it's a under 80's but one of my personal favorite top 3 cars in the world is the 1989 Pontiac Trans am 20th 3.8L SFI Turbo Pace car. Man what I would give up to own a completely stock perfect shape one... and to know one of my friends has one in his garage and will not sell it to me...:mad:

[mantis]

Sorry I just add to add her. In the F body of course.

[ND13]

Wow, John hasn't chimed in to tell us that we are all nuts and all nostalgic because his Supercharged F-150 might be able to outrun a few of those cars.;):p

[ND13]

Here's one of my all-time faves.

[dorokusai]

Jstas is typing his 4000 word reply as we speak.

[ND13]

Hi Mark

Nice find on the Gran Torino, Al.

[MacLeod]

My alltime favorite car - 1977 Pontiac Trans Am

I know its not nearly as fast or powerful as older model muscle cars pre-stupid ass emissions crap but I do think theyre simply beautiful. They have been my favorite car since I was a kid.

http://i39.tinypic.com/f52all.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/2zpmd5s.jpg

But if its sheer,raw power that youre after - its hard to do better than the 1971 Hemi Cuda!

http://i40.tinypic.com/2450rx2.jpg

[danger boy]

Hi Mark

Nice find on the Gran Torino, Al.

well the movie out by Clint Eastwood called Grand Torino reminded me of how fond I am of the 60's and 70's muscle cars. :D

This 1971 Camaro is similar to the one I drove in high school.. although mine wasn't this color. Talk about a fun car even stock it was a hoot to be driving any Camaro in high school. :)

[ND13]

Aaron,

Who the hell do you keep letting beat you in the World Finals?

[66chevyIISS]

Wow, John hasn't chimed in to tell us that we are all nuts and all nostalgic because his Supercharged F-150 might be able to outrun a few of those cars.;):p

Jstas is typing his 4000 word reply as we speak.


lol too funny

[nadams]

Got a few hours to spend, misty-eyed, at the PC? Visit www.carsinbarns.com

Click what section, then click on a little picture to get a few big pictures. At the bottom of each page of big pictures, there's a "next page" button to keep you occupied for hours.

[snow]

Jstas is typing his 4000 word reply as we speak.I dont care who you are thats funny, made even more so by the accuracy of the statement. :D



REGARDS SNOW

[BAD ASP]

here are a couple of cobra pics and one to start off the porn part!:D






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[emoxley]

This place is an hour or so from my house. I went once and looked around. They had some cars that brought back a lot of memories. I got my first driver's license in a white 1967 GTO convertable.
East Coast Classic Cars (http://www.ecoastcc.com/)

[MacLeod]

Aaron,

Who the hell do you keep letting beat you in the World Finals?

Kirk Proffitt. Has won 4 straight World Championship so far and actually won a championship this year in 2 different classes and went undefeated all year! Thats why he is Zapco's poster boy. If its any consolation he only beat my by 1/2 a point this year. :o

Dont worry tho - Ive got a little something for him this year.....Im moving to a different class. Thats right if you cant beat em, run!

[SKsolutions]

First car at age 15. Lost it in a separation in 1993. Almost the exact same color combo, but had painted bumper which is the only exterior difference in the 1973. http://www.allfordmustangs.com/photopost/data/500/72Mustang.jpg

[Mazeroth]

oh please can I have one of these some day?

1970 Ford Grand Torino Cobra

Schweet! :D

I'm a Chevy guy myself but that thing is sick.

[treitz3]

Here's one that I swear was made to fit me. Man, I loved this car. This isn't the actual one but it's the same model. Mine was all original with the exception of a flex fan, billet aluminum racing rims, variable air shocks for the rear and very large back tires. 295/70's IIRC. I didn't have T-tops though. They were notorious for leaking. At the time, my girl had an '80 Camaro that was all a dark metallic Grey with low profile tires and her engine was definitely not stock. There was a Burger King in Northern Virginia we used to go too when the weather was nice and display them in the parking lots along with all of the other collector cars. Those were some good times!

http://www.rayskillmanclassiccars.com/images/cars/IMG_0631.jpg
^^^This one is not the factory original Gold. The one pictured below is original.

http://www.arizonarustfreetransamparts.com/images/474_1979_Trans_Am.jpg

This was my first real car that I purchased for myself on my 18th birthday. It was in mint condition. I loved that car so much, I even named her "Julie". She never let me down..........well, there was that one time in Ocean City MD that she overheated, but that's why I installed the flex fan. Four or five straight hours of HARDCORE racing on the strip was a little much for her.

[Jstas]

Wow, John hasn't chimed in to tell us that we are all nuts and all nostalgic because his Supercharged F-150 might be able to outrun a few of those cars.;):p

Jstas is typing his 4000 word reply as we speak.

lol too funny

I dont care who you are thats funny, made even more so by the accuracy of the statement. :D

REGARDS SNOW

Fluck you all.

[danger boy]

Fluck you all.

effective and to the point and it saved you from having to type so much :p ;)

[Jstas]

effective and to the point and it saved you from having to type so much :p ;)

Goes for you too then.

[ND13]

Somebody off their meds? It was a joke John. I swear you're gonna have a stroke or heart attack if you don't calm down...it's the friggin internet dude.

You attack people on this forum on an almost daily basis....don't dish it out if you can't take it.:)

[danger boy]

umm.. i think John was just throwing it back at us.. even he has a sense of humor. I once saw John crack a smile at PF05 :p ;)

[treitz3]

No way. I don't believe it. It didn't happen without a pic.

[Jstas]

Somebody off their meds? It was a joke John. I swear you're gonna have a stroke or heart attack if you don't calm down...it's the friggin internet dude.

You attack people on this forum on an almost daily basis....don't dish it out if you can't take it.:)

No way. I don't believe it. It didn't happen without a pic.

Stuff it.



You attack people on this forum on an almost daily basis....don't dish it out if you can't take it.:)

Lies.

[treitz3]

I feel the love.

[Jstas]

Yeah, well, the thread is supposed to be about cars, not me.

Why don't you people leave me the hell alone and get back on topic?

[Joe08867]

How about giving the big boats a shot.

http://www.phoenixgraphix.com/gm/7677olds.jpg

http://www.jonescustomcollision.com/images/78Malibu/Picture001.jpg

http://www.pontiacventura.com/phoenix_images/ontario79.jpg

[Joe08867]

I don't want to forget the Mopar and ford fans.

http://www.moparautos.com/images/79cordoba.jpg

http://www.wcontent.com/maverick.jpg

[66chevyIISS]

How about a Chrysler 300? Now that is a boat.

http://chrysler440.googlepages.com/CIMG1536.JPG

[shack]

Boats? Defintely. Muscle Cars? No Way! Not EVEN the 442. By the time that model 442 came out they were so anemic they were anything BUT a muscle car. This is a 442 Muscle car....

http://www.442.com/vcs/1964_1972/mscott684.jpg

The bigest engine available in a Maverick was a 302 and isn't even considered a "pony" car like the Mustangs, Camaros, Firebirds, Cudas etc... A true Muscle Car better have a BIG BLOCK!

Big Cars that are considered muscle cars...

A SS 454 Monte Carlo

http://www.montecarloclub.com/Member%20Photos%2070%20-%2072%20Page%202/Dave%20and%20Janet%20Mau%20Left%20Front.jpg

A SS 427 Impala

http://www.impalass427.com/72res/67_SS4274speed_AC.jpg

1969 Coronet Super Bee Hemi

http://image.moparmusclemagazine.com/f/9243870/mopp_0606_01z+1969_dodge_coronet_super_bee+front.j pg

1965 427 "side oiler" Galaxie 500

http://www.classyauto.com/image_large.php?image_id=332873

1962 421 Pontiac "swiss cheese" Catalina

http://images15.fotki.com/v263/photos/4/41549/754819/b6_12-vi.jpg

There are quite a few more...but those big lux-boats...even though they have big engines...are not muscle cars..

[BAD ASP]

How about giving the big boats a shot.

http://www.phoenixgraphix.com/gm/7677olds.jpg

http://www.jonescustomcollision.com/images/78Malibu/Picture001.jpg

http://www.pontiacventura.com/phoenix_images/ontario79.jpg

Now those aren't big boats, this is a big boat!

[Jstas]

http://www.motorclassiccorp.com/images/100_3806.JPG

[ND13]

Sweet GT-40 MK IV or is that a MK II? Taught all those Europeans and GM how to do it at LeMans. Stuff 427 c.i. of highly modified side-oiler in a monocoque(sp?) and let er rip. Did pretty well with the 302s and 289s, too. Never heard of the 255. Pretty reliable too. One year I believe they took the top three spots.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Ford-GT40-1967-Lemans-Win_76598.htm

http://www.me.mtu.edu/~prater/GT40/GT40.html

[audiobliss]

Amazing vehicle, for sure!

Thanks for those links, Noel!

[Jstas]

Ford Thunderbolt

http://www.422motorsports.com/t-bolt.jpg
http://www.olddrags.com/images/SuperStock/64_THUNDERBOLT_CONNER_FORD_DON_BOWLES-1.jpg
http://www.competitionplus.com/2006_05/photos/malcolm_durham/durham_03.jpg
http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/images/your_garage/cars/1854_1239789378458ce858c6713.jpg

[Jstas]

Ford Thunderbolt's arch nemesis

426 Max Wedge
http://www.beaversprings.com/photos/2005/0710072.jpg
440 Max Wedge
http://www.meyerfamilyracing.us/MFRDodge/dodgts02.jpg

[66chevyIISS]

Some Jungle Jim

http://www.junglepam.com/photos/liberman9.jpg

http://www.junglepam.com/photos/JUNGLEchevy2.jpg

[chillywilly]

A couple trucks

<a href="http://s103.photobucket.com/albums/m139/kiefuiks/?action=view&current=DSC01015.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m139/kiefuiks/DSC01015.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

<a href="http://s103.photobucket.com/albums/m139/kiefuiks/?action=view&current=DSC01016.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m139/kiefuiks/DSC01016.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

A couple cars

<a href="http://s103.photobucket.com/albums/m139/kiefuiks/?action=view&current=DSC01022.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m139/kiefuiks/DSC01022.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

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[Keiko]

Great pics. Keep em' coming please...Cruizin' here behind my Mac, listening to tunes and enjoying the eye candy. Cool thread! :cool: :)

[doggie750]

NOW we are talking......:cool::cool::cool:

[shack]

As usual...this thread has deviated from the original "pre 1980's muscle car porn" to high dollar exotics and street rods. Oh well...it IS the Club Polk way.

[BAD ASP]

I don't know if this first picture actually qualifies for the pre - 1980's as I assembled this replica in 2004. The intent is there but the fine line of pre 80's is stretched.

The second is a Ford 7 litre. This one has the 428 fe. It is a great running car with a little "Go". It's not a super car but it is pre 80's Muscle. Interesting history on the Ford 7 litre and how it came to be. Plenty of web material for anyone interested.

mike

[shack]

The second is a Ford 7 litre. This one has the 428 fe. It is a great running car with a little "Go". It's not a super car but it is pre 80's Muscle. Interesting history on the Ford 7 litre and how it came to be. Plenty of web material for anyone interested.

The 7 Litre is the Galaxie with Ford's 428 vs the 427. The 427 was the "high performance" of the two and one could not get the Galaxie with power steering, air conditioning, etc with the 427. Ford recognised that those options might be desireable with the full size Galaxie purchasers so that option was made available starting in 1966...thus the 7 litre. The 428 in that car is very different from the 428 CJ and 428 SCJ that were offered in the Mustangs, Fairlanes and Torinos starting in 1968.

[Joe08867]

I love me some Goat.

http://www.quaiswaseeq.com/uppedmaterial/2007/05/1966-pontiac-gto-convertible.jpg

Although I am a Rebel.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/02/1970_AMC_Rebel_Machine_Muscle_Car-RWB.jpg

And how could you not like a Trans Am.

http://www.ruta66.cl/images/WEB-R66-9999b.jpg

Here is a cyclone we all wouldn't mine seeing in our driveway.

http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/bv/images/66cyclone.jpg

I am not sure why this was adevertised as a muscle machine but here you go.

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/iipcache/47758.jpg

[Joe08867]

Had to add this one. Just looks to good to leave out.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2320/2174829323_0f8b88079f.jpg

[ben62670]

I'd love one of these.
http://www.chooseyouritem.com/exotics/files/131000/131422.html


Also I always had a thing for the Mercury.
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[Joe08867]

The General.

http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/100-greatest/03-large/32-dodge-charger.jpg

This is just wrong, but I like it.

http://www.4x4offroads.com/image-files/1968-pontiac-firebird-4x4-2.jpg

[Joe08867]

How could you go wrong with a Pantera.

http://myweb.cebridge.net/gbartley/BBORR/DSCN0045.JPG

[shack]

Here is my 1966 Galaxie 500. Not a muscle car by any stretch of the imagination. It has a 352 4V, C6 auto w/overdrive. It is a lux-cruiser...not a muscle car.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2233/2384866229_acf5a09edc_o.jpg

[ben62670]

My buddy's dad gave him a mint 69 Firebird with the 400, scopes, and tach on the hood. It only had about 5,000 on it. He got it with the money from serving in Vietnam. The president wanted to award him with the purple heart, and he declined. He didn't want the medal, or the car. My dumb ass buddy traded it for a jeep Cherokee:( I can't look at him without thinking of that car. It sat in a garage for 20 years mint:mad: What an idiot.
http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Pontiac/69_Pontiac_Firebird_Cpe_DV-06_BJ_03.jpg

[nikolas812]

Spiro Pappas Nasty 69 Camaro.....



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[audiobliss]

Wow, that thing's vicious!!

However, I thought the trap speeds were way too low for the times for the first passes. I'm a thinking wrong? Or did I just see wrong? The first pass was 8.78 @ 105. That can't be right. then we had 6.99 @ 152. That seems like a more appropriate trap speed for that previous run. Then we get a 6.72 @ 215. That seems more appropriate!

Anyway, that's a HUGE turbo and an awesome idle!!

[BAD ASP]

The 7 Litre is the Galaxie with Ford's 428 vs the 427. The 427 was the "high performance" of the two and one could not get the Galaxie with power steering, air conditioning, etc with the 427. Ford recognised that those options might be desireable with the full size Galaxie purchasers so that option was made available starting in 1966...thus the 7 litre. The 428 in that car is very different from the 428 CJ and 428 SCJ that were offered in the Mustangs, Fairlanes and Torinos starting in 1968.

True, an interesting additional fact is that " in the day" a "stock car race" had to be between manufacturers "stock" cars meaning that if you raced it on Sunday the consumer had to be able to buy the same stock car on Monday. So Ford offered the 427 cammer to the public but in lieu of this finicky race engine they offered the 428 with 345 hp. Hence Ford decided to classify the Galaxie a 7 litre and offer both engines... actually pretty smart.

The 428 scj that I have in my Torino is a different engine. It has higher compression and solid lifters making 370 hp with the shaker intake.
These cars aren't just cool to look at, they are automotive history and should be enjoyed for that too.

[nikolas812]

Wow, that thing's vicious!!

However, I thought the trap speeds were way too low for the times for the first passes. I'm a thinking wrong? Or did I just see wrong? The first pass was 8.78 @ 105. That can't be right. then we had 6.99 @ 152. That seems like a more appropriate trap speed for that previous run. Then we get a 6.72 @ 215. That seems more appropriate!

Anyway, that's a HUGE turbo and an awesome idle!!



The first pass he let out of it a half track. Hence the speed drop.

The second pass he might have had to let out of at the top end of the track.

The thrid pass was a full pass for sure.;)




Nick

[BAD ASP]

Wow, that thing's vicious!!

However, I thought the trap speeds were way too low for the times for the first passes. I'm a thinking wrong? Or did I just see wrong? The first pass was 8.78 @ 105. That can't be right. then we had 6.99 @ 152. That seems like a more appropriate trap speed for that previous run. Then we get a 6.72 @ 215. That seems more appropriate!

Anyway, that's a HUGE turbo and an awesome idle!!

The trap speeds appear low seemingly because the driver got out of it before going through the traps. He made sufficient speed to get down the track but got off the go pedal at the end in the first two runs lowering his speed through the traps. The last run you can hear that he stays in it through the trap.

[disneyjoe7]

The 7 Litre is the Galaxie with Ford's 428 vs the 427. The 427 was the "high performance" of the two and one could not get the Galaxie with power steering, air conditioning, etc with the 427. Ford recognised that those options might be desireable with the full size Galaxie purchasers so that option was made available starting in 1966...thus the 7 litre. The 428 in that car is very different from the 428 CJ and 428 SCJ that were offered in the Mustangs, Fairlanes and Torinos starting in 1968.


I wasn't aware the Ford made a 427, isn't that a Chevy motor?

[nadams]

Love seeing that car squat down as he's spooling the turbo at the line... awesome!

[ND13]

I wasn't aware the Ford made a 427, isn't that a Chevy motor?

Ford made at least 3 types of 427s.....1=427 side-oiler of Shelby Cobra fame, 2=427 SOHC..that's right single overhead cam with semi-hemispherical combustion chambers(MONSTER EFFING ENGINE)and the one that went into the Galaxie 500 GT from 65-67, iirc.

Ford's 427s were at the very least on par with any GM 427, with the 427 SOHC being way beyond.

http://www.carmemories.com/cgi-bin/viewexperience.cgi?experience_id=133

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_FE_engine#427_SOHC_.22Cammer.22

Those numbers on the SOHC are very conservative. I've read on many occassions that that engine topped with one 750 cfm carb was capable of producing upwards of 750hp gross, so that 616 rating may be net(at the rear wheel).

Edit..7 versions

[shack]

I wasn't aware the Ford made a 427, isn't that a Chevy motor?

You are aware of the Shelby "427" Cobra aren't you?

http://www.nvsaac.com/photogallery/images/Cobras/csx3229z.jpg

They were in the Thunderbolts as well.

Shelby also used it the Super Snake...A 1967 Shelby GT500 #544...

http://www.nvsaac.com/photogallery/images/1967/500/67_500_544_o.JPG

Here is a link to the various configurations....

http://www.thecarsource.com/fords/engines/427.html

[ND13]

Shack,

Great minds!!!

[disneyjoe7]

Ok guess I'm not a heavy Ford fan.

Learn something everyday, thanks for being up to speed. :)

[Jstas]

I knew a guy with old SOHC 427's in a speed boat. (He had more money than brains) They were supercharged with Whipple twin-screw style superchargers. They each made 1100 horses each, on an engine dyno on about 14 pounds of boost and 92 octane fuel.

The SOHC or "Cammer" 427 was intended for use in NASCAR to beat up on Dodge and the 426 HEMI. But even though Ford met the requirements, the "Cammer" was legislated out of competition. There is a good deal or speculation and politics surrounding it but common belief is held that the Ford engine was a top end beast and would have dominated the race and been unsafe since chassis at the time were not capable of safely handling 200+ MPH speeds. Current NASCAR small blocks put out almost 800 horses in race trim. The "Cammer" would have been closer to 900 and in a lighter chassis with no where near as much safety equipment.

The "Cammer" found it's heyday in top fuel drag racing though where it gave more than enough competition to the 426 HEMI. The only reason the 426 HEMI survived and teh "Cammer" didn't was cost of production. It was banned from stock classes but it was legal in the A/FX classes where it wiped the floor with any competition. It also was a formidable opponent in top fuel where big name guys like Connie Kalitta and Don Prudhomme made their names riding on the back of a "Cammer".

At one point, there was a MkV chassis for the Ford GT40 being prepped to use the "Cammer". It never came to fruition though because of rules changes in LeMans racing. Apparently, the Americans running at 230 MPH on the Mulsanne straight and winning LeMans on the trot was too much for the sophisticated Europeans. So they changed the rules to keep the backwoods American farmers from showing up the aristocracy of gentlemanly motorsports. That marked the end for the GT40. I heard Holman-Moody has a couple of prototypes of the GT40 "Cammer" hanging around. It'd be awesome to see what that could do with some modern rubber, wheels and that "Cammer".

BTW, the "Cammer" was an FE engine, the same general design at the 427 side oiler and even the 428/428CJ/428SCJ. It was the most memorable because it struck fear in so many hearts that most sanctioning bodies outlawed it before it ever ran a mile in anger.

But the pushrod 427 FE was no slouch either especially with tunnel port heads. It was a beast of an engine and positively a torque monster. It was a big hit in stock classes of drag racing because of all the grunt down low in the RPM range. It really helped with 60' times if you had slicks wide enough handle the power.

They were all eventually replaced with the 385 series and the BOSS 429 engine which was not quite as powerful but just as much of a torque monster and cheaper to build. Then again, you can now get Ford Racing Performance Parts blocks that can handle up to 640 cubic inches of displacement.

[shack]

True, an interesting additional fact is that " in the day" a "stock car race" had to be between manufacturers "stock" cars meaning that if you raced it on Sunday the consumer had to be able to buy the same stock car on Monday. So Ford offered the 427 cammer to the public but in lieu of this finicky race engine they offered the 428 with 345 hp. Hence Ford decided to classify the Galaxie a 7 litre and offer both engines... actually pretty smart.

That is correct and it was referred to as homologation by NASCAR. The mfgs. had to produce and SELL to the public a certain number of vehicles to meet NASCARs homologation requirments. It was as low as 200 for Chevy's Monte Carlo Aerocoupe, but was usually at least 500 or as much as 700.

It is the reason for the winged Mopars...Daytona Charger and the Superbird...

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/02/17/automobiles/collectibles/600-superbird.jpg

The Torino Talledega and Mercury Cyclone Spoiler II

http://www.musclecarsociety.com/files/submitted/IMG_1433.JPG

Then of course Ford put their NASCAR 429 "hemi" in the Mustang Boss 429 to meet the requirements. There was a Charger 500 produced that had an aero rear window but did not have the wing.

The same was true for Tran-Am which is why the Mustang Boss 302, Camaro Z28, AMC AMX and others hit the market.

[ohskigod]

I wasn't aware the Ford made a 427, isn't that a Chevy motor?




ooooooooooh,

thats almost "revocation of your man card" status right there boy..LOL ;)

remind us to kick you in the balls at the next Polkfest.....it's what we call a "cup check"


just kiddin brotha :D

[ND13]

Back in '81 or '82, Hot Rod Mag had a cover story of a dude that had made 2 1969-70 Mach One bodied Stangs with SOHCs in them. They were freakin impressive, to say the least. Even at that time, the cost of getting a rebuildable SOHC was $20k. Let me see if I can locate the issue.

[shack]

Back in '81 or '82, Hot Rod Mag had a cover story of a dude that had made 2 1969-70 Mach One bodied Stangs with SOHCs in them. They were freakin impressive, to say the least. Even at that time, the cost of getting a rebuildable SOHC was $20k. Let me see if I can locate the issue.

Even better.....From a Mustang Monthly article...

SOHC It To Me

Other than the aftermarket wheels and certain tiny emblems on the front fenders, you'd never know that Jim Weigle's '05 Mustang is anything other than a standard GT. Those vintage emblems say "SOHC," which is a dead giveaway that the factory 4.6L has been replaced by a real 427 SOHC from the '60s. Jim, from West Virginia, purchased the Mustang new specifically for swapping in the cammer, which tucks in neatly between the strut towers and looks like a factory install. Jim even had the original window sticker modified to include the 427 SOHC as a $60,000 option. We have a feeling that the 17/25 fuel-mileage numbers no longer apply.

http://image.mustangmonthly.com/f/9283287/0704_mump_07_z+modern_ford_mustangs+sohc.jpg

[ND13]

Shwing!!!!

Talk about a sleeper.

[madmax]

oh please can I have one of these some day?

1970 Ford Grand Torino Cobra

Schweet! :D


Thats been a favorite of mine since the early 70's!

[66chevyIISS]

Shack your last post is the Pot calling the Kettle black :p

No 2005 mustangs allowed in a pre 80's thread! :D

[pearsall001]

Now for the "Big Dawg!!!!! Nothing else comes close.

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/pic.php?imagenum=3&carnum=93

[shack]

Shack your last post is the Pot calling the Kettle black :p

No 2005 mustangs allowed in a pre 80's thread! :D

Nope...simply responding to Noels post about a 1960's 427 cammer in a later model vehicle. My post was about the motor...not the car. ;)

[Joe08867]

How about limited production cars?

Coyote from Hardcastle and McCormick
http://digilander.libero.it/MaTrix_75/COYOTE%20X/bl07.jpg

And a Bricklin
http://www.chooseyouritem.com/autos/photos/108500/108796.1975.Bricklin.SV1.jpg

[Jstas]

Some of you guys should learn how to post pictures.

for pearsall001:

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/images/large/93/Chevrolet-Corvette-C2-Sting-Ray-Coupe--Split-Window-_3.jpg

[ND13]

While some will always put the Cobra and Vettes in the muscle car category....they are not. They are Sports Cars...totally different animal. Muscle cars were mainly designed for straight-line performance, with a few exceptions, ie Shelby 302 Stang or the rare 302 Z-28 Mos. Also, exotics like Panteras(Italian chassis with 351 Cleveland) are not muscle cars.

That being said, I still love em all.

Some will contend the first muscle car was the GTO, but I suggest it was the 1961 Impala 409 SS

[ohskigod]

Even better.....From a Mustang Monthly article...

SOHC It To Me

Other than the aftermarket wheels and certain tiny emblems on the front fenders, you'd never know that Jim Weigle's '05 Mustang is anything other than a standard GT. Those vintage emblems say "SOHC," which is a dead giveaway that the factory 4.6L has been replaced by a real 427 SOHC from the '60s. Jim, from West Virginia, purchased the Mustang new specifically for swapping in the cammer, which tucks in neatly between the strut towers and looks like a factory install. Jim even had the original window sticker modified to include the 427 SOHC as a $60,000 option. We have a feeling that the 17/25 fuel-mileage numbers no longer apply.

http://image.mustangmonthly.com/f/9283287/0704_mump_07_z+modern_ford_mustangs+sohc.jpg


That is so ridiculous.....and glorious at the same time.

though I hope he either has, or has plans to do some, suspension mods. eeesh!!
***EDIT, the rear end does look lowered from the picture. the front end looks lower than stock, though with that engine, who's surprised?LOL

I love the sleeper aspect.....thats right up my alley

[ND13]

I'd say that it probably handles like it's on rails. Someone that's gonna put that motor in that car will likely do the whole thing right. I'd love to see the look in the eyes of some Z06/Ferrari/Viper/insert name here driver when he get's utterly humiliated by that car.

[Jstas]

Some will contend the first muscle car was the GTO, but I suggest it was the

No way dude, Olds Rocket 88

http://encyclopedia.classicoldsmobile.com/pacecars/49pace.jpg

1949, Olds takes the big V8 from the 98 and drops it into the small, lightweight 76 body and makes what many regard as the formula for the muscle car. The biggest engine available in a mid-sized body.

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[shack]

While some will always put the Cobra and Vettes in the muscle car category....they are not. They are Sports Cars...totally different animal. Muscle cars were mainly designed for straight-line performance, with a few exceptions, ie Shelby 302 Stang or the rare 302 Z-28 Mos. Also, exotics like Panteras(Italian chassis with 351 Cleveland) are not muscle cars.

That being said, I still love em all.

Some will contend the first muscle car was the GTO, but I suggest it was the 1961 Impala 409 SS

Noel the origin of the term "muscle car" has been discussed ad nauseum around the car hobby for many years. Some will say it was the early Olds with the Rocket engines, while others contend it was the 1957 AMC Rebel with their new 327 because it was the first high performance, mid sized sedan. Others say the original "phrase" was coined in describing the Pontiac Tempest (the original GTO was a Tempest option package). The purists will tell you that a muscle car is a mid-sized American sedan or coupe with a big block, HIGH PERFORMANCE engine. The full sized vehicles like the Impalas and Galaxies don't fit in the category and the Mustangs, Camaros, Cudas etc fall into the Pony Car ranks and the Vettes and Cobras were sports cars. Interestingly during the era the cars were actually being made and driven...the term muscle car was rarely used (I have a bit of first hand knowledge in this area). The more common term was "supercars". The popular term muscle car became much more prevalent in the mid to late 70's. I still like the term supercars.

Today, for most, the term encompasses just about every American vehicle made between the late 50's to the early 70's that was considered "high performance". The puruists will argue...but isn't that half the fun?

[ohskigod]

The puruists will argue...but isn't that half the fun?

yeah, but thank god we dont have arguments like that in our Audio hobby right?........oh wait ;):p;):p

[audiobliss]

I'd say that it probably handles like it's on rails. Someone that's gonna put that motor in that car will likely do the whole thing right. I'd love to see the look in the eyes of some Z06/Ferrari/Viper/insert name here driver when he get's utterly humiliated by that car.

I wanna hear the exhaust note!!!!

[pearsall001]

Some of you guys should learn how to post pictures.

for pearsall001:

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/images/large/93/Chevrolet-Corvette-C2-Sting-Ray-Coupe--Split-Window-_3.jpg

Why??? When you'll do it for me!!! :D Thanks!

[pbullblue]

How bout cars with aftermarket muscle
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s238/pbullblue/azgenespicnic298.jpg
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s238/pbullblue/azgenespicnic296.jpg
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s238/pbullblue/azgenespicnic300-1.jpg
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s238/pbullblue/azgenespicnic301-1.jpg

[Igo]

http://i39.tinypic.com/f52all.jpg

Might; JUST might be the only half way cool car built in America between 1973 and whenever modern muscle cars started showing up again/recently. 1974 thru the 80s absolutely sucked for American Cars with cool.

[Igo]

http://www.supercars.net/carpics/2077/1968_Shelby_MustangGT500KR2.jpg

King of the Road

1968 Mustang GT500KR Shelby Convertible. 428 Cobra Jet.
The rest of ya can can just go sit in a dark corner and trimble now. LOL.

[comfortablycurt]

Ok...you guys are gonna have to forgive me. This isn't pre-1980, but it is definitely some muscle car porn.

1987 Chevy Monte Carlo SS. My dad and I have been building this car for about 7 years now...It's still running on the stock rear end and suspension, but once that's done, we'll essentially be done with the car.

http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww160/comfortably_curt/Picture001.jpg

http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww160/comfortably_curt/Picture003.jpg

Ignore how dirty the engine compartment is in this pic...
http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww160/comfortably_curt/Picture026.jpg

Also ignore how dirty the interior is...lol
http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww160/comfortably_curt/Picture028.jpg


Sorry for the post 1980'ness of the car.;)

[Jstas]

Well, remember, in the "Malaise Era" the fastest American Made vehicle was this:

http://www.spacey.net/cconnor/Rhone_79LilRedExpress.jpg
http://www.collectorcarads.com/Picture2/Picture179.jpg

That's Dodge's Lil' Red Express and in 1978, it was king of the heap from the Big 3.

Then again, in 1976, one could get a Dodge Warlock with any engine from the Leaning Tower of Power, the slant six all the way up to a 400 cubic inch small-block (383 replacement). Lotsa people pulled out the smogger engines and dropped in 440's from earlier years too. This one was cool though, had the same wood bed and such but instead of exhaust stacks and livery all over it, it had pin striping!

http://www.moparts.org/moparts/picture/oldweb/1one/CARLEY1.jpg
http://www.moparts.org/moparts/picture/oldweb/1one/CARLEY6.jpg

[nikolas812]

There is a guy at out local drag strip with little red express. He is there EVERY Saturday racing it. Looks identical to the one in your picture.






Nick

[Kajun442]

http://i685.photobucket.com/albums/vv213/kajun442/100_1422-1.jpg

This is the 442 in Kajun442. Bought it from the original owner in 1981.
It luckily wasn't home when Katrina came through, can't say the same for my 427/4pd 1966 Caprice.

Jim

[danger boy]

ok. i'm sure someone in here will like this thing.. ;)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/3774/vehicle/45c6ac3e727c6/Finished_Mask_Car_7.jpg

[danger boy]

http://classiccars.com/Images/Articles/1969-Chevrolet-Camaro-RS-Red-White-Vinyl-nf.jpg

Grrrrr! this is so hottt. http://classiccars.com/Images/Articles/1969-Chevrolet-Camaro-RS-Red-White-Vinyl-nf.jpg

[danger boy]

I wouldn't be caught dead in this.. people might get the wrong impression. :phttp://www.sunsetclassics.com/1971-dodge-challenger/images/1971dodgechallenger.jpg

[shack]

I wouldn't be caught dead in this.. people might get the wrong impression. :phttp://www.sunsetclassics.com/1971-dodge-challenger/images/1971dodgechallenger.jpg

I would...in a heartbeat! That is a 1971 Dodge Challenger convertible...one of only 2,165 made in 1971. AND if that is an original color (Panther Pink) it is even more rare because it is either a mid-year production vehicle (basically a 1970½ model which means it was one of the earliest produced that year) or a special order color which means it is quite rare on top of the limited production. Panther Pink was not a standard 1971 Challenger color. The stripes are 1971 stripes but that doesn't mean it is the original color.

Al, you might not be caught dead in a car that color...HOWEVER...Panther Pink was a chick magnet. The ladies loved the color.

[sda2mike]

No way dude, Olds Rocket 88

http://encyclopedia.classicoldsmobile.com/pacecars/49pace.jpg

1949, Olds takes the big V8 from the 98 and drops it into the small, lightweight 76 body and makes what many regard as the formula for the muscle car. The biggest engine available in a mid-sized body.

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how bout the Hudson Hornet, from iirc 53? light body biggest available engine. won lots of races, too

i like the big muscle cars...how bout a 68 tornado...with the w30 option? 400 hp and air conditioned comfort. just don't take those turns with too much 'elan':eek:

actually, i'd love a 70-73 datsun 240z...styling that still holds up...give it some chevy v8 power..:)