Fake Audioquest cables??

[Toolfan66]

A friend of mine told me to be concerned about buying fake AQ Cables off ebay anybody heard anything like this? and how would you know?

[comfortablycurt]

You do have to be careful about that. I've heard of people buying Monster Cables off ebay before, and they ended up being counterfeits. I'd imagine the same will happen with AQ's.

I guess you're not really gonna know until you receive it...but watch out for overseas sellers and sellers with real low numbers. Checking their feedback never hurts either

[BlueFox]

I've heard of people buying Monster Cables off ebay before, and they ended up being counterfeits.


I wonder if they worked better.

[comfortablycurt]

I wonder if they worked better.

lol...It's entirely possible.

[Keiko]

I've heard of people buying Monster Cables off ebay before, and they ended up being counterfeits.
I wonder too if these might be better than the real deal? :rolleyes:

[mmadden28]

How would one know if they (AQ's) were real or not? Are there any telltale signs?

[Willow]

On the box of an HDMI cable, I noticed that there was a spelling mistake, everything alse from the pics looked the same but I did notice that soelling error and I doubt the real AQ would allow that.

[Ric5811]

You do have to be careful about that. I've heard of people buying Monster Cables off ebay before, and they ended up being counterfeits. I'd imagine the same will happen with AQ's.

I guess you're not really gonna know until you receive it...but watch out for overseas sellers and sellers with real low numbers. Checking their feedback never hurts either

There are a lot of of overseas sellers right now selling AQ's. Most have high feedback, and high transactions, but then none are for the AQ's. Gavin (MIT) there is a lot of counterfeiting going on in Hong Kong right now. Almost all of the AQ's are from Hong Kong, using mostly stock pics. I think the AQ's would be harder to counterfeit than others due to the braiding, but that doesn't stop anyone.

[Zitro]

There are a lot of of overseas sellers right now selling AQ's. Most have high feedback, and high transactions, but then none are for the AQ's. Gavin (MIT) there is a lot of counterfeiting going on in Hong Kong right now. Almost all of the AQ's are from Hong Kong, using mostly stock pics. I think the AQ's would be harder to counterfeit than others due to the braiding, but that doesn't stop anyone.

There is a lot of counterfeit Kimber coming from China, too. If the price looks too good to be true, it probably is.

[Jetmaker737]

Personally, if the seller is in Hong Kong I'm not taking the chance.

[FTGV]

Personally, if the seller is in Hong Kong I'm not taking the chance.

Yep,be suspicious of anything from that region.Those little bitches are counterfitting everything.The amount of fake semiconductor and other electronics parts they are producing is mind boggling.They are getting so good that with some parts even a trained eye can't spot the fakes from the real.

[cstmar01]

Yep,be suspicious of anything from that region.Those little bitches are counterfitting everything.The amount of fake semiconductor and other electronics parts they are producing is mind boggling.They are getting so good that with some parts even a trained eye can't spot the fakes from the real.

some of the AQ stuff that is fake is really really hard to spot when looking at just the cables from what I've seen that people have gotten. Mostly its in the packaging, or saying the "don't have the original box but its brand new" so its new out of the box yet in wrapping? never understood that one unless it was like somehow magically destroyed...

[Conradicles]

Buy SignalCable...made in the USA baby!

[erniejade]

http://cgi.ebay.com/Pair-2-5M-AUDIOQUEST-CV6-Audio-Bi-wire-Speaker-Cable-/360280595139?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53e2659ac3#ht_500wt_928


http://cgi.ebay.com/audioquest-Gibraltar-Speaker-Cable-2-5M-Pair-Bi-wire-/370408422143?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item563e0ffaff#ht_3655wt_911


http://cgi.ebay.com/Audioquest-Gibraltar-Bi-Wire-72V-DBS-speaker-cable-2-5m-/140410559236?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20b11f1b04#ht_3275wt_1137

hell that is a 1500+ cable....

[Outfitter03]

Makes buying items on the used market a lot scarier. Having original packaging would be about the only way a seller could pass off as new. I just bought some interconnects from HCM audio and they came in HCM plastic bags. This was a retailer recommended on this site. Do I keep those for resale if I decide to in the future?

If all these items are actually counterfeit, why not just counterfeit the packaging also? I used to work as a manufacturing engineer and it is definitely more difficult printing cleanly and legibly on wire and connectors than thermal forming a plastic container or printing on packaging and labeling.

Could these items be real products diverted or purchased from outsourced OEM manufacturers?

[acmf74]

Personally, if the seller is in Hong Kong I'm not taking the chance.


very true!


If I'm going to slap down some serious cash I would only buy new from a official dealer. I would even be suspicious on Audiogon.

[OWiseOne]

I heard that Audioquest manufactors their cables in china and sells it's seconds (slightly damaged) for real cheap. That's why the prices are so low. I bought some king cobra xlr's from and ebay seller and when I received them, I opened up the connectors to see if they looked legit and they do. They also sound pretty darn good to be fakes. I compared the sound to a pair my friend bought here, his were rca's but the sound was pretty much the same. If they are fakes, they're good fakes. I also bought a pair of kimber PBJ's and they sound really good. I didn't have another set of kimbers to compare to though.

[digitalvideo]

Where do you purchase official authentic AQ's from? From their official website?

[HB27]

I was buying my AQ Sidewinders from Ovation right around the corner from me. They were a little pricey as the price on them went up to over $60 for 1M from my initial price a few years ago of $40.
Figuring I'd save a few bucks on the entry level Sidewinders I bought some off Ebay for $38 shipped to my door.
Within seconds I could tell something was wrong. Even with a new cable not burnt in the "flavor" was completely different.
I've broken the wiring inside my Sidewinders before and took them apart and resoldered them. I opened up the NEW cables and they were totally different in material and construction.
This was my first adventure into counterfeits. I'd never "thunk it" that a cheap cable would be replicated.
I contacted the "ebay seller" and he never contacted me back. After a couple of weeks I noticed he was no longer on Ebay at least by that name.
Buyer beware.

[newbie308]

May be a dumb question, but does anyone build their own cables? I wouldn't attempt to build a HDMI cable, but RCA patch cords and speaker cables are not difficult to put together. If you build your own, you can avoid these snake oil tricksters.

[HB27]

May be a dumb question, but does anyone build their own cables? I wouldn't attempt to build a HDMI cable, but RCA patch cords and speaker cables are not difficult to put together. If you build your own, you can avoid these snake oil tricksters.

Lots of companies sell just the components seperately and you can fit them to your system.
I don't have a lot of spare time and usually pick mine up preassembled.
Building your own out of quality NAME components doesn't assure you of safe purchasing unless from a respected dealer of direct from the manufacturer.

[jinjuku]

A friend of mine told me to be concerned about buying fake AQ Cables off ebay anybody heard anything like this? and how would you know?

I thought you would be able the hear the difference, that's odd.

[xcapri79]

I heard that Audioquest manufactors their cables in china and sells it's seconds (slightly damaged) for real cheap. That's why the prices are so low. I bought some king cobra xlr's from and ebay seller and when I received them, I opened up the connectors to see if they looked legit and they do. They also sound pretty darn good to be fakes. I compared the sound to a pair my friend bought here, his were rca's but the sound was pretty much the same. If they are fakes, they're good fakes. I also bought a pair of kimber PBJ's and they sound really good. I didn't have another set of kimbers to compare to though.

Welcome to Club Polk.


I thought you would be able the hear the difference, that's odd.

The difference between the real cables and fakes should be very obvious shouldn't it?

[Toolfan66]

I thought you would be able the hear the difference, that's odd.


Welcome to Club Polk.



The difference between the real cables and fakes should be very obvious shouldn't it?

deleted!!!! Now why don't you do the same???

I never bought a set of fake cables to compare..

[jinjuku]

I noted the difference, but he still wasn't sure. They could be good fakes as he says. You believe they are real. Ok. No problem with that, but that is your opinion not a certainty.

What you actually get in Chinese manufacturing is a second production line going where they are making an exact knock off.

I have an Ethernet enabled low voltage relay that I have produced in the U.S. because I know if I farm it out to China they will simply purchase raw components and produce a copy.

[xcapri79]

What you actually get in Chinese manufacturing is a second production line going where they are making an exact knock off.

I have an Ethernet enabled low voltage relay that I have produced in the U.S. because I know if I farm it out to China they will simply purchase raw components and produce a copy.

So that explains the knockoffs. Are copyright laws are not enforcable or hard to enforce?

I know of a product called Webrelay that sounds similar to yours.
http://www.controlbyweb.com/webrelay/

[cnoat]

I have a pair of sidewinders coming in about another week.Bought them just to compare.Let you guys know as soon as they are here.

[xcapri79]

I have a pair of sidewinders coming in about another week.Bought them just to compare.Let you guys know as soon as they are here.

Were those from an ebay purchase?

[cnoat]

Yes.Right out of Hong Kong.I run Diamondbacks and sidewinders from my local av shop.Got these just to see.

[jinjuku]

So that explains the knockoffs. Are copyright laws are not enforcable or hard to enforce?

I know of a product called Webrelay that sounds similar to yours.
http://www.controlbyweb.com/webrelay/

In China Copyright is basically non-existent. Go to Hong Kong and pick up DVD's, BR's, CD's all professionally done for pennies on the dollar as en example. All from street vendors.

There is even knock off Cisco gear that was being imported by some rather unscrupulous vendors that finally got busted. This is gear was going into Military installations :eek:

Our product if similar except we produce it to be private labeled by other vendors. Primarily security and access control. We will have features that the product you linked to doesn't.

[jinjuku]

Yes.Right out of Hong Kong.I run Diamondbacks and sidewinders from my local av shop.Got these just to see.

If they came off the same line they will be the same cable.

[cnoat]

If they came off the same line they will be the same cable.

That would be sweet considering I got them for 27.00 total.

[Lasareath]

Aren't Audioquest cables already kinda like fake cables?

[DarqueKnight]

A friend of mine told me to be concerned about buying fake AQ Cables off ebay anybody heard anything like this? and how would you know?

Audioquest discusses this on their website. I just take it for granted that small, easy to copy luxury items are going to be counterfeited.


Makes buying items on the used market a lot scarier. Having original packaging would be about the only way a seller could pass off as new. I just bought some interconnects from HCM audio and they came in HCM plastic bags. This was a retailer recommended on this site. Do I keep those for resale if I decide to in the future?


If all these items are actually counterfeit, why not just counterfeit the packaging also? I used to work as a manufacturing engineer and it is definitely more difficult printing cleanly and legibly on wire and connectors than thermal forming a plastic container or printing on packaging and labeling.

Exact duplication of packaging is not that easy and would make it easier to spot fakes, therefore the counterfeiters or second production line runners avoid this altogether. PS Audio and Audioquest's products are manufactured in China, but the packaging is made in the USA.


Could these items be real products diverted or purchased from outsourced OEM manufacturers?

Yes. Absolutely.


What you actually get in Chinese manufacturing is a second production line going where they are making an exact knock off.

Yes. Absolutely.

Last year I found some discontinued PS Audio Statement SC power cords on eBay at 60% off retail. The seller was in Hong Kong and had good feedback and offered free shipping and a 7 day 100% refund policy. The seller's ad also indicated that he was taking offers. If the cables turned out to be fakes all I would be out was return shipping. I offered 43% of the seller's asking price and he accepted.

The seller's ad mentioned that the cables were brand new but did not come with manufacturer's packaging. When I asked the seller why new cables did not come with original packaging, he replied that the cables were audio show demos and the packaging had been discarded. Ummmm...ok.

The Statement SC power cords I received from the Hong Kong dealer were identical to the Statement SC cords I purchased directly from PS Audio...even down the the "chalky" smell of the cable jackets...even down to the grayish oxidation on the connector blades...even down to the noise spectrum signatures shown on an oscilloscope.

I sent an email to PS Audio inquiring about these "demo" cables and I received no response. I posted a question on PS Audio's forum (Link: PS Audio Fake Cable Inquiry (http://www.psaudio.com/ps/forum/viewthread/774/P0/)) and I received this response from their Custom Products Vice President, Ryan Conway:

"While it is difficult to make a definitive statement on the authenticity of all cables being sold from one location or another, we have found every cable that we have purchased from Ebay sellers located in Asian countries to be significantly inferior to authentic PS manufactured cables. The cables look and feel identical to PS cables, but the interior lacks all of our technology and high quality materials.

Since these cables are not authentic PS cables we cannot ensure the quality or more importantly the safety of the cables. Poor workmanship in the cables may cause inferior performance, shorts, or even fire.

PS Audio does not authorize any dealers to sell through Ebay. Period! Cables purchased through Ebay (or other auction sites) should be approached with great caution.

The only way to ensure you are buying authentic PS Audio products is to work directly with an authorized dealer. If you have any question as to the legitimacy of any dealer please call us at 866-406-8946."

[F1nut]

I thought you would be able the hear the difference, that's odd.

Whomever deleted the half the posts in this thread missed this first trolling post in which the comment/question have absolutely nothing to do with the post he quoted.

Why juju and xpinto are still allowed to post here is beyond me. You wonder why older members don't post like they use, look at those two trolls for the reason.

[jinjuku]

Reported ^^

[shack]

Why juju and xpinto are still allowed to post here is beyond me. You wonder why older members don't post like they use, look at those two trolls for the reason.

Agree 1,000%.

I do wish people would quit quoting them as that is it only time I ever have to see any of the BS they post since I put both of them on ignore a long time ago.

[jinjuku]

That would be sweet considering I got them for 27.00 total.

Make sure and post some pics of the ebay cables and the dealer cables.

[xcapri79]

Audioquest discusses this on their website. I just take it for granted that small, easy to copy luxury items are going to be counterfeited....

Since these cables are not authentic PS cables we cannot ensure the quality or more importantly the safety of the cables. Poor workmanship in the cables may cause inferior performance, shorts, or even fire...

The causing a fire part sounds a bit alarmist, but it is better to be safe than sorry. Do the "fake" cables carry UL or CSA certification? I wonder if that is copied too?

[FTGV]

Its interesting that both PS cables appear to be nearly identical.I would expect most of the counterfit Asian product to have a tell tale sign that would differentiate it from the real thing.

[jinjuku]

Its interesting that both PS cables appear to be nearly identical.I would expect most of the counterfit Asian product to have a tell tale sign that would differentiate it from the real thing.

The whole point is that they may only be counterfeit because they aren't sold through nor sanctioned by PS.

In a lot of cases there is a possibility that it is the same exact cable. When you as a company (PS Audio in this instance) source 10K foot of cable. X number of terminations (all from a Chinese source) and then contract it out to a factory all the factory does is order another 5K foot of cable and X number of terminations. When they are done fulfilling your order they crank out a few more.

[xcapri79]

The whole point is that they may only be counterfeit because they aren't sold through nor sanctioned by PS.

In a lot of cases there is a possibility that it is the same exact cable. When you as a company (PS Audio in this instance) source 10K foot of cable. X number of terminations (all from a Chinese source) and then contract it out to a factory all the factory does is order another 5K foot of cable and X number of terminations. When they are done fulfilling your order the crank out a few more.

For a small incremental cost, they can turn a good profit it seems.

[FTGV]

The whole point is that they may only be counterfeit because they aren't sold through nor sanctioned by PS.

And this would have been clear had I read the complete posts.:o

[jinjuku]

Hell, you guys haven't seen anything yet:

Check out the Peavey IPR (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=18850143&highlight=#post18850143) thread at AVSForum.

The link will take you to page 15. Look at the posts by authlxl. Starts right off rubbing it in that a Chinese engineering firm has a straight rip of the QSC PL380. Hey if you are going to clone an amp at least they chose a good one.

[Conradicles]

the same exact cable.

I say we all pitch in and buy a couple of pairs of the PS Audio and Audioquest cables and dissect them to see if they are the same. I'm in.:)

[jinjuku]

I say we all pitch in and buy a couple of pairs of the PS Audio and Audioquest cables and dissect them to see if they are the same. I'm in.:)

I've thrown $20-30 away on worse. One sweet dollar at a time;):D

[Valentine]

I actually order a pair of CV-4 AQ from ebay, the only way to tell the difference is too cut the wire in half. Thats what i the AQ dealer told me

[acmf74]

i have some AQ Type 4 wires that I suspect to be fake. If I open the end of the banana clips would I be able to see if its a authentic AQ?

[jinjuku]

i have some AQ Type 4 wires that I suspect to be fake. If I open the end of the banana clips would I be able to see if its a authentic AQ?

You would have to have an original to compare it to. Two places that I would look is a cross section of the cable (Jacket, shield/drain, conductor, dielectric) and then the termination itself.

[kevhed72]

While I generally support free trade, we (the US) are getting screwed with all the copyright infringements by Chineese knock-off artisits. I always check the US SELLERS ONLY box on Ebay.

[DarqueKnight]

I always check the US SELLERS ONLY box on Ebay.

This is no guarantee that some US sellers aren't getting their merchandise from Chinese knock-off artists.

I think that OEMs that use off shore manufacturing facilities, particularly those in Asia, assume a certain amount of copycatting. It is just the cost of doing business over there. Obviously, the labor cost savings far outweigh the lost sales revenue due to copycatting.

[Keiko]

Whomever deleted the half the posts in this thread missed this first trolling post in which the comment/question have absolutely nothing to do with the post he quoted.

Why juju and xpinto are still allowed to post here is beyond me. You wonder why older members don't post like they use, look at those two trolls for the reason.


Agree 1,000%.

I do wish people would quit quoting them as that is it only time I ever have to see any of the BS they post since I put both of them on ignore a long time ago.

+2000

If I were so disliked somewhere I'd have enough dignity to simply leave. What we have here are a couple sociopaths running amok.

[WilliamM2]

If I were so disliked somewhere I'd have enough dignity to simply leave.

So why are you still here whining?

[megasat16]

The whole point is that they may only be counterfeit because they aren't sold through nor sanctioned by PS.

In a lot of cases there is a possibility that it is the same exact cable. When you as a company (PS Audio in this instance) source 10K foot of cable. X number of terminations (all from a Chinese source) and then contract it out to a factory all the factory does is order another 5K foot of cable and X number of terminations. When they are done fulfilling your order they crank out a few more.

Are you saying they are Legit Fakes? Yuk! I have to wash my mouth for using the word "Legit" with the word "Fake" together.

A fake / counterfeit / copy is called so coz it's not the original regardless of how it's made to be 100% resemble.

Regardless of whatever materials they share with PS audio, they may not use the name PS audio when they market the cables if they do not want to make counterfeits in the first place.

Just saying...

[jinjuku]

Are you saying they are Legit Fakes? Yuk! I have to wash my mouth for using the word "Legit" with the word "Fake" together.

A fake / counterfeit / copy is called so coz it's not the original regardless of how it's made to be 100% resemble.

Regardless of whatever materials they share with PS audio, they may not use the name PS audio when they market the cables if they do not want to make counterfeits in the first place.

Just saying...

Just putting it out there that they could be 100% copies. That you could put two PS Audio power cables in front of a PS Audio engineer, and if one cable came off the line to fulfill PS Audio's order, and another came off the line after that, that the engineer would most likely not be able to distinguish the counterfeit. It does happen.

I guess counterfeit is a better term to use? Again look at what happened to Cisco.

[Keiko]

So why am I still here whining?

http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96779

http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34445

Dunno! Why? :rolleyes:

[nooshinjohn]

You do have to be careful about that. I've heard of people buying Monster Cables off ebay before, and they ended up being counterfeits.


I wonder too if these might be better than the real deal? :rolleyes:

Anything, including a coat-hanger would be better than them...

[landry_p2000]

Where do you purchase official authentic AQ's from? From their official website?

I got (4) of the Audio Quest "Pearl" hdmi cables from www.onecall.com. They carry some of the cables.

[Willow]

I got (4) of the Audio Quest "Pearl" hdmi cables from www.onecall.com. They carry some of the cables.

Hey buddy, you are still around?!! Good to see you again! Sorry for the derail

[schutz2106]

Ebay-too cheap to be true=knockoff. But at some of the prices its hard not to try them. I just buy from Blue Jeans anymore.

[lessthanzero]

Ebay-too cheap to be true=knockoff. But at some of the prices its hard not to try them. I just buy from Blue Jeans anymore.

Same here. They have great products along with super service, and fast shipping.............

[acmf74]

I have spoken to Andrew at Blue Jeans and Frank at Signal Cable numerous times. They always take the time to talk and explain to me all my questions. These guys always get my business. A+++

[cstmar01]

Frank is awesome to deal with as he's the owner and knows his stuff.

Fake cables are easy to find on the market. I normally like to buy from auth dealers but the prices are great on the stuff on fleabay...its really up to the person if they want to take the chance or not.

if a price seems too good to be true, it normally is...

[Willow]

Another vote for Frank, I really like the feel of his cables well built for sure. I have also been lucky on some scores from Ebay.

[cnoat]

Just recieved a pair of "FAKE" sidewinders.Side by side comparison.They are not fakes.Still burning them in but at first conception they are real.

[kawizx9r]

Just recieved a pair of "FAKE" sidewinders.Side by side comparison.They are not fakes.Still burning them in but at first conception they are real.

Was really hoping this thread would remain inactive :o

Since it's been awhile and there were several threads posted on these fake/real MITs/AQs/etc, how much did you pay for your Sidewinders in total?

For a cable like that, it really makes no sense to purchase them from a seller out in Hong Kong since the real deal sold online or even on this forum (I've sold several pairs over and over again) are very affordable.

Last pair I sold was a 1.5m pair for $35 bucks, or was it $40 with original box shipped.

[Knucklehead]

Just recieved a pair of "FAKE" sidewinders.Side by side comparison.They are not fakes.Still burning them in but at first conception they are real.

please explain...you contradicted yourself.:confused:

[acmf74]

http://www.contractortalk.com/attachments/f16/22144d1250251100-sub-contractor-lower-insurance-than-me-thread-crap-wont_die.jpg

[jinjuku]

Just recieved a pair of "FAKE" sidewinders.Side by side comparison.They are not fakes.Still burning them in but at first conception they are real.

Post some pic's if you would. It seems there are ton of Hong Kong origin King Cobra's also.

Still say they are all off of the same line. Even the reseller has a really good rating:confused:

[cnoat]

Was really hoping this thread would remain inactive :o

Since it's been awhile and there were several threads posted on these fake/real MITs/AQs/etc, how much did you pay for your Sidewinders in total?

For a cable like that, it really makes no sense to purchase them from a seller out in Hong Kong since the real deal sold online or even on this forum (I've sold several pairs over and over again) are very affordable.

Last pair I sold was a 1.5m pair for $35 bucks, or was it $40 with original box shipped.

27.00 Shipped.Bought just to compare.

[cnoat]

please explain...you contradicted yourself.:confused:

I thought they were gonna be fake considering the price.

[jinjuku]

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You must be the life of the party....

[jinjuku]

You must be the life of the party....

There is a core group of members here that are actively participating in this thread (DK, Valentine, cnoat, conradicles....)

I think some of us were waiting for cnoat to get the Hong Kong sourced AQ's to compare to his locally purchased copies.

The thread wasn't going dormant, just waiting for his cables to come in. At least that is my take.

Don't participate if you don't feel like it instead of thread crapping.

[Knucklehead]

I thought they were gonna be fake considering the price.

Ok gotcha....so...whats the verdict....It would be nice if we could see the cross section of both cables.

[cnoat]

That was my intention.Be honest I just don't have the heart to do it.All comparison's are equal in every way.

[kawizx9r]

Don't participate if you don't feel like it instead of thread crapping.

Well aren't you just the hypocrite.

[jinjuku]

Well aren't you just the hypocrite.

Well, actually no. I thought I was on your ignore list...:rolleyes:

[kawizx9r]

Well, actually no. I thought I was on your ignore list...:rolleyes:

Cleared it out, well not like it had many on it anyway (2).

I don't believe in completely ignoring others, I mean everyone deserves a chance but you should probably try a different approach as to getting your points across. Who knows, you may or may not end up back on it again. It's not the end of the world for anyone :p

[Knucklehead]

Cleared it out, well not like it had many on it anyway (2).

I don't believe in completely ignoring others, I mean everyone deserves a chance but you should probably try a different approach as to getting your points across. Who knows, you may or may not end up back on it again. It's not the end of the world for anyone :p

Your a good man Freddy...now go drink a beer.

[Keiko]

You must be the life of the party....

He's a hoot over at the AA camp. Check that joke joint out if ya ever need a good 'HaHa' ;)

I take it cnoat is happy with his purchase and good for him. Congrats!

[acmf74]

He's a hoot over at the AA camp. Check that joke joint out if ya ever need a good 'HaHa' ;)

I take it cnoat is happy with his purchase and good for him. Congrats!

and it looks like he has some people going in the "cable burn-in" thread in the 2 channel forum.