Tyler Acoustics Taylo 7u

[VR3]

Well... out with the old and in with the new.

Up for sale is my beloved pair of 7u...

A speaker that has truly impressed me among all the other speakers Ive heard. They use top notch drivers -- I approx 600 dollars worth per speaker, real Dark Walnut veneer - signed by Ty Lashbrook himself.

I have two different types of grills - full length and ones that just cover the drivers. I do not have the velcro circles though to attach them. I prefer mine nekkad...

These are some of the best speakers Ive heard - period. I also have the original box and brass spikes.

As far as condition, I would give them a 8/10 --- they have two notable marks on them. On one speaker there is a mark about 1" long (hairline) - this was my fault. An amp corner hit them and marked it. Hard to see unless you look for it. And another mark I dont have a clue on how it got there is on the side of a speaker -- about 1/8" circular ding -- no clue???

Everything else looks pretty darn good.

These are hand built with 1" MDF and top of the line crossovers, no need to upgrade these bad boys.

My asking price is 2,000 shipped FIRM in their original boxes.

[SKsolutions]

Are you replacing the Tylers with the speaker on the right? :p

If it's cold enough, they should sound great-
http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=38118&d=1233967782

[VR3]

It is quite a chilling experience to hear them, that is for sure! :)

[Ricardo]

And another mark I dont have a clue on how it got there

And what did you think those transformers do when you're not around????

Great speakers here, and they could be someone's last pair. My Tylers are probably the speakers that gave me more seller remorse.

Good luck with your sale.

[Serendipity]

Would this be a worthwhile upgrade from the Definitive BP10B?

Specifically, how do these sound on classical?

[Early B.]

So does this mean the D2's have dethroned the 7u's?

[treitz3]

Ya' think?

[VR3]

The D2 is better in everyway --

After a little bit of break in - the dynamics showed up and it was over...

[Serendipity]

They look like transformers too! ;)

I sent you an email (a few days ago).

[VR3]

Would this be a worthwhile upgrade from the Definitive BP10B?

Specifically, how do these sound on classical?

The bigger question here is :

Are you actually looking to buy a pair? ;)

But umm yeah, these are... 4-5-6-7 times the speaker of the BP10B

[Serendipity]

No, I'm just looking to waste your time ;)

Seriously, how different from the BP10B are they on classical? I don't want a speaker that sounds good only on Rock/Jazz/etc.

[VR3]

Well Im not a big classical listener - so that is hard for me to answer.

The closest thing I have to classical is a Japanese drum line and blue man group --- and with that material they are awesome. The little classical I have heard - they have the seperation to pick out individual instruments/sections, and the depth to pick out rows -- with the dynamics for transitional parts of classical.

But anyone that has heard my system it is very much geared toward quick attack and high resolution detail. I do not like laid back, boring reproduction. Instruments are SHARP and should sound as such. I work around them all day.

[Serendipity]

As a classical pianist, I have come to appreciate the warm sound of a Steinway - laid back, accurate sound.

I will be honest with you - the Definitive BP10B are not really the speaker for me either, so if the Taylo is in any way similar to the DefTech that's not what I am looking for. I'm looking for less detail, more accuracy.

[Serendipity]

On another note...

Piano shouldn't sound "sharp" and "bright," it should sound like what it really is.

[VR3]

Nah the 7u is a far more controlled, musical speaker. There really is not similarities. It is hard to describe without hearing them. They sound 4 times their size and have midrange clarity like no other... with bass to keep any bass heard happy except for that lowest octave.

But everything wrong with the BP10B - sloppy bass, compressed mids, recessed highs with splotchy detail and confused soundstaging (things I didnt even notice until the 7u) is completely gone. These drivers are used in alot of speakers - Von S, Salk - some of the best you can buy. The excel woofer is used in the 90,000 dollar Von S flagship. It is good stuff, period.

Piano is a warm instrument - but just like anything else in those higher octaves has a nice ping to it.

But we can discuss piano tonality in another thread. Lets stay on track.

[Serendipity]

I'm interested in the 7U's, although they might not be what I am looking for.

What do you mean by compressed mids?

[VR3]

The midbasses in the BP10B have such a restricted design so they produce that bass cleanly it restricts the mids. They sound incredibly flat and lifeless in comparison to those Excel woofers --- like I said, there just is no comparison. But again, these are things I didnt even realize until I heard these 7u's.

[Serendipity]

How about this - if they sound *bright* in any way, then the 7U are not for me.

[Serendipity]

The midbasses in the BP10B have such a restricted design so they produce that bass cleanly it restricts the mids. They sound incredibly flat and lifeless in comparison to those Excel woofers --- like I said, there just is no comparison. But again, these are things I didnt even realize until I heard these 7u's.

The only issue I have is that the BP10B are too bright. Would the 7U's solve that problem?

[VR3]

If the 7u can be called "BRIGHT" it is simply because of detail. It leaves nothing behind. No one - no one who has heard the 7u in my room has walked away not liking them. Tom (Treitz) even went out and bought a pair for himself.

It is an amazing speaker, bar none. It really has no sound character - if a trumpet plays, it plays a trumpet - like it is supposed to, like brass sounds. If a grand piano plays, it is going to have the warmth of the recording or the attack some pianos are recorded as. That is one thing I liked about the 7u. It is a true speaker. But no I do not find it bright - but to me, a speaker that is veiled or "laid back" is not detailed - it seems to leave things behind. It is up to you - anyone interested can come by and hear them.

I do not need to sell them - I would just hate to see these sit in the corner of my room, but if they do not sell - I will use them down the road as surrounds or a seconardy system, Im sure.

[treitz3]

Trey, you would love me and then hate me if I ever gave you my evaluation of these speakers...........that's between him and I.

These speakers will give you precise sound staging and pinpoint imaging that many, many speakers will not produce. You may hear "the sound stage" but these actually deliver. With the right gear, these puppies will shine without a doubt!

For those who are interested, please disregard the first statement as I am......."anal" when it comes to my sound. I dog my own rig more than most would dog others, but that's just me. These speakers can rock you and your woman's world.

[VR3]

Well you like even more detail than I ---

I think you are going to like the D2...

with the tweeter and midbass crossed a little higher in a sealed enclosure - they are quick. Man are they quick. ;)

[treitz3]

I'll hear it soon. We'll save that for another thread or conversation though. Good luck on the sale............

As if you need it.............:rolleyes:

[george daniel]

Bump,, if you're sitting on the fence,,,better jump on em now,,, if/when they go to a'gon,,,,they will be gone in a "New York Second"

Not that you need it,, but good luck with the sale.:)

[Early B.]

As a classical pianist, I have come to appreciate the warm sound of a Steinway - laid back, accurate sound.

The Tyler speakers are the most laid back, accurate sound I've ever heard. I've owned the monitors and my best friend had the 7u's. Everything Trey and Tom are telling you about these speakers is correct.

Bottom line -- if I were a classical pianist, I'd buy these speakers without hesitation due to their profound accuracy.

[heiney9]

On another note...

Piano shouldn't sound "sharp" and "bright," it should sound like what it really is.

You know, amplification and source have a lot to do with it too. I just switched amps and the new amp does piano so much better (same speakers). I would think the Tylers might do piano better than the BP10........but will it be an "exact" match to the real thing, probably not.

[george daniel]

The Tyler speakers are the most laid back, accurate sound I've ever heard. I've owned the monitors and my best friend had the 7u's. Everything Trey and Tom are telling you about these speakers is correct.

Bottom line -- if I were a classical pianist, I'd buy these speakers without hesitation due to their profound accuracy.

Very well put Brad,, and accurate,, you and the Tylers;)

[Serendipity]

Still thinking about this, but in no rush to upgrade...

I've heard the BP7000SC and BP7001SC and was impressed. I'm also interested in the LSi15 from Polk. If I'm looking for a speaker for strictly classical, what would you guys recommend? Also has to be good for HT as it will be paired up with a projector.

Sounds like the Taylo 7U will do it, just not sure if I will like it or not.

[heiney9]

If I'm looking for a speaker for strictly classical, what would you guys recommend? Also has to be good for HT

Not sure this is possible. Anything will play HT. Probably should start a new thread as this is a FS thread and it's starting to fall off track :)

[VR3]

The 7u is leaps and bounds above the 7000sc - Ive heard that speaker with Mcintosh amps/preamp/cdp and with my humble equipment the 7u is a good notch better in accuracy and pinpoint staging.

The 7u has far better midrange clarity than the LSi15 - with a tad better seperation in the staging. Definitely a good notch above from what I've heard.

[Serendipity]

The 7u is leaps and bounds above the 7000sc - Ive heard that speaker with Mcintosh amps/preamp/cdp and with my humble equipment the 7u is a good notch better in accuracy and pinpoint staging.

The 7u has far better midrange clarity than the LSi15 - with a tad better seperation in the staging. Definitely a good notch above from what I've heard.

Thanks.

I just don't want this to be an impulse buy - I'd rather demo a few more speakers first. Can you give me some time to decide?

[VR3]

Yep

Like I said - it wont kill me if they stay in the corner! Even though the D2 is a notch better in most ways, it is still a great speaker I will always enjoy.

So yeah, sure, take your time. ;)

[Serendipity]

I'm being serious. Let me demo a few other speakers first, so I can find what I am really looking for.

[Serendipity]

I'm not looking to waste your time.

Can we take this to email?

[VR3]

Yep, shoot me an email

[megasat16]

Still thinking about this, but in no rush to upgrade...

I've heard the BP7000SC and BP7001SC and was impressed. I'm also interested in the LSi15 from Polk. If I'm looking for a speaker for strictly classical, what would you guys recommend? Also has to be good for HT as it will be paired up with a projector.

Sounds like the Taylo 7U will do it, just not sure if I will like it or not.

Current Def Tech any speaker line including the Super Tower series and Polk Audio Current Most Musical LSi line will simply bow to the Taylo 7U. I have not heard them and I am not biased. But from judging the Drivers and Crossover implemented in the 7U, it is superior to both the BP7000 series and LSi series.

I owned all LSi series speakers so I know pretty much about how LSi sound. It's no questioning that LSi series is very musical and very good value for money. But comparing Taylo 7u to LSi series is comparing two different products that does not belong in the same class. It's like peaches are Peaches and Oranges and Oranges and so are the apples.

I also enjoy and listens to a lot of Classical and Instrumental musics. For both type, I believe detail imaging is very important and the accuracy in tonal quality of each instrument is very important . I believe the width, the depth and the details of each instrument (including piano) being played in the recorded media should portray actual live session. I can tell you that LSi are good but not very accurate up to my taste even with all kinds of different amplifiers and amplification. The many forum members here suggest Xover upgrade for LSi series and it seems to be an improvement worth doing but another $500-$700 just for that. So, right out of the Box for a good musical experience, Taylo 7u may be your best contender for money.

I am sorry to thread jacking so if you want to discuss about other speakers, I think it's more appropriate to start a new thread.

[Serendipity]

Not trying to argue here, but DefTech BP7000SC is a $5k speaker, even if the parts cost $2500 and the markup was 100% it's still a lot of speaker for the money.

[VR3]

Trust me, I am one of the biggest DT fans around - period.

The Super Towers are awesome, but the speaker set is 5k...

The subs built into the speakers alone cost 2,500 bucks. So you are actually buying 2,500 dollar speakers --

At that point, they are using inferior parts 100%

As megasat put it - there is no comparison between the two.

[megasat16]

Not trying to argue here, but DefTech BP7000SC is a $5k speaker, even if the parts cost $2500 and the markup was 100% it's still a lot of speaker for the money.

In Audio, Cost doesn't mean a thing sometimes or most of the time. :-)

Def Tech is good (I heard them) if you want a good HT but for music (and for life like one), I would choose Taylo in a heartbeat. No question asked. It's not about the cost the retailers put it, it's about the parts the retailers used in it.

[Serendipity]

Trust me, I am one of the biggest DT fans around - period.

The Super Towers are awesome, but the speaker set is 5k...

The subs built into the speakers alone cost 2,500 bucks. So you are actually buying 2,500 dollar speakers --

At that point, they are using inferior parts 100%

As megasat put it - there is no comparison between the two.

Keep in mind, if I do decide to go with the Taylo's, they will be doing double duty - 25% classical music, 75% HT. As I am currently not running a sub in 2ch mode, I wonder how the Taylo's will do for HT just by themselves.

(i.e. will they need to be paired up with a sub for HT?)

[VR3]

I ran them for a while without a sub - they wont reproduct 20 hz, but 35hz they are fantastic... incredibly accurate with great texture. They have as much bass as the BP10B - but not over bearing and absolutely NO boom or bloated mess to go with it.

[Serendipity]

I'm not looking for more bass, but I'm looking for more accurate bass. The BP10B have a boom/thud in the lower octaves that would be well suited for hip-hop music, but not for classical.

That is one of the issues I have with the BP10B. Also, they are too bright.

[VR3]

As I said in the previous post -- the 7u has as MUCH bass as the BP10B but without the negatives, completely accurate, textured and complete bass. PERIOD. Perfection in its range, hands down.

[Serendipity]

Considering that the BP10B have too much bass on classical, would the 7U exhibit the same characteristics?

[VR3]

no..

[Early B.]

appadv -- stop comparing Def Techs to the Taylos. That's like comparing a Hyundai to a big body BMW. It's futile.

I understand you want speakers to pull double duty and do 75% HT. But you have to ask yourself -- what is my priority? If your priority is music, then buy your speakers accordingly and forget about how they will sound for HT. My rule of thumb is -- if they sound great for music, then they'll be great for HT. (It doesn't work the other way around, though.)

In terms of bass -- I have dual 12" woofers and a passive 12" woofer in each of my speakers (a total of six 12" woofers), and when my friend and I A/B'd our speakers, the 7u's produced as much bass as my speakers. I was absolutely shocked 'cause I bought my speakers primarily for their bass handling capabilities.

[VR3]

46 posts and no serious inquiries...

Geeeeeez --- This thread should maybe have... 10 posts... maybe

[treitz3]

If you are looking for accurate bass, you need not look any further. The Taylos performs the lower octaves VERY well. Keep in mind that they are not a full range speaker but they definitely do not need a sub. A sub will "enhance" the speakers but as mentioned before, it's not necessary. These speak's also do well for HT [mine are currently pulling double duty] and they will not ever have boom at the bottom, they are too accurate to do so.

[Serendipity]

appadv -- stop comparing Def Techs to the Taylos. That's like comparing a Hyundai to a big body BMW. It's futile.

Not trying to argue here, but I am not the only one using my system so the 75% HT is important.

I only listen to music in 2ch, everyone else uses it for HT.

[VR3]

The 7u is great for HT --- I've watched a ton of movies are very loud volumes and have never heard them bottom due to much bass -- and in 2 ch HT they can envelope the room in "surround sound"

[Serendipity]

Okay, so consider this a serious inquiry.

Does Ty give demos? I would be interested in hearing the speaker first.

[VR3]

Sure, but I doubt he has a 7u to hear - he may have a D3 (the replacement) which sells for like 3,200 bucks - and after hearing the D2's - it would not be a similar demo at all. The 7u is a very different speaker.

[Serendipity]

You've got me very interested in Tyler speakers, maybe I should contact the man himself? The D3 may be what I am looking for.

[VR3]

Maybe it is? Who knows? Contact Ty --- Please take further responses to this thread to PM or EMail. Thanks - it is getting so far off track it is not even funny.

[Serendipity]

Sure. You got email.

[VR3]

Only bump! No interest?

I will entertain SERIOUS/NO LOW BALL offers.

[dorokusai]

You should post pictures of yourself, next to the speakers, in various superhero costumes.

[george daniel]

:)Guy's these things are a steal at this price,,I have a pair just like Trey's,made about the same time as well,,I know what they cost,(an we got a deal),,so if you're "fence sitting",better jump off now,, these may be the last speakers you buy. Good luck with the sale. Enjoy your new speaks.:)

[VR3]

You should post pictures of yourself, next to the speakers, in various superhero costumes.

Now thats an idea....

If only I had spandex and assless chaps! :)

Yeah, George and me copied each other - all the way down to the wood color - but mine are signed! :p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p

[george daniel]

mine are signed,,,,,,and dated:p:p:p:p:p:p

[VR3]

No way? Yours are aftermarket and you know it! ;)

[george daniel]

WAY :p:p:p

[treitz3]

I feel so left out. Mine are just stock. :(

:D :D :D :cool:

[VR3]

February special! :)

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: :eek::eek:1500 bucks, LOCAL PICK UP only. :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Or 1850 shipped.

[VR3]

Just a reminder...

Hand built, hand finished, solid walnut -- two grill styles, high quality driver and components... a definite step up over most speakers out there.

Incredible speakers.

[george daniel]

for 1500,, that is a road trip for someone in search of sonic bliss.good luck with the sale :)

[VR3]

I figured it would make it interesting... :)

[VR3]

I would be willing to drive roughly... maybe 100 miles if you cover my gas to and from.

Just figure price of gas x 12.5 to get that "estimate"

[VR3]

http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?spkrfull&1239844584&view&1234660691 - Listed on Audiogon

[engtaz]

Good Luck Sid, this economy is a good time at all.

engtaz

[VR3]

Yeah, I know ---

I was feeling a little generous... :)

Price will go back to 2,000 shipped firm in March, FWIW.

:)

[treitz3]

Damn, I was gonna say.....that price was too low! Somebody needs to snag these QUICK!!!

[VR3]

Haha... You should talk Russ into getting them ;)

That would be a change for sure... haha

All the NC polkies in the area will be Tylerd

[Ricardo]

For $1,500 this is an absolute steal. Average used in Audiogon is $2,490. last one sold for $2,120.

These speakers look beautiful and sound beautiful. What are you guys waiting for?????

[VR3]

Sale pending to Audiogon member.

Will update.

Thanks

[megasat16]

Wow! I hope it's a Success! It's a set of nice speakers to let go but Good Luck!

[audiobliss]

Wow. Just, wow is all I can say. Both to the thread's development and to the fact that Trey just sold these.

Hope you love the D2's that much more, Trey!

[VR3]

Yeah I had like 5 emails this morning from Audiogon -- couldnt believe it

I guess my price was to low... :(

Shoot!

What can ya do?

[VR3]

Buyer backed out. Still for sell.

1,500 price is still good until the end of Feb with certain stipulations...

1,000+ posts
And you must sell them again here first if you decide to later on.

:)

Other price is still 2,000 shipped or 1,800 local pick up. Thanks

[F1nut]

Trey, take whatever that is next to the speaker out of the pictures.

[VR3]

These are no longer for sell.

Thanks.