Emotiva Story.

[cfrizz]

But hopefully he will be a lot more literate than you are!:p:D


I'm considering him as an option...though I'm worried that he might not do my dashing good lucks enough justice.:p

[shack]

Hear Brad Pitt will take on the role of Comfortably Curt, yes? lol.

If only Chris Farley had lived....

of course there is Danny DeVito....

http://a123.g.akamai.net/f/123/12465/1d/media.canada.com/5bd68867-954f-4ea6-b165-b4b7a6c4840a/070118devito.jpg?size=ds

[F1nut]

Cliff (Faster100) hasn't been seen around these parts in years........ :D.


Ya know, there was one thing about Cliff that I had to respect. He never whined to JB or Al about the beat downs he got or anything else for that matter, which is a helluva lot more than can be said for some here today.

[Keiko]

And now back to The Emotiva Story.

[Keiko]

& The PIES.

[cfrizz]

No Jesse, he just whined to all of US, which was just as annoying!:mad:

He and several others that are gone are NOT missed. (At least not by me.)


Ya know, there was one thing about Cliff that I had to respect. He never whined to JB or Al about the beat downs he got or anything else for that matter, which is a helluva lot more than can be said for some here today.

[hearingimpared]

If only Chris Farley had lived....

of course there is Danny DeVito....

http://a123.g.akamai.net/f/123/12465/1d/media.canada.com/5bd68867-954f-4ea6-b165-b4b7a6c4840a/070118devito.jpg?size=ds

Rotflmao

[F1nut]

No Jesse, he just whined to all of US, which was just as annoying!:mad:

He and several others that are gone are NOT missed. (At least not by me.)

True, but one could tell him to eff off without worry. Don't get me wrong, I'm not missing any of them either.

[hearingimpared]

True, but one could tell him to eff off without worry. Don't get me wrong, I'm not missing any of them either.

Awww 'cmon, you've got to miss SpecK. We had a blast with that nut.;)

[Retro152]

Saw this thread was starting to flatline, so i immediatly started CPF. Vitals look good now. " Thread has been stabilized, Rampart!" LOL.:p

[Retro152]

Saw this thread was starting to flatline, so i immediatly started CPF. Vitals look good now. " Thread has been stabilized, Rampart!" LOL.:p

Rampart?:confused:

[Lowell_M]

http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79146

Here's another excellent plug for Emotiva.

[bigred7078]

http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79146

Here's another excellent plug for Emotiva.

seriously?

[heiney9]

seriously?

Can't you read the sarcasm...............I did :):D

[bigred7078]

Can't you read the sarcasm...............I did :):D

yes, yes i did...

not my point though..

[metal83]

Stirring the pot, that's all......:rolleyes::p:D

[heiney9]

yes, yes i did...

not my point though..


Guess I missed your point......kinda hard when it's only 1 word.

[Lowell_M]

seriously?

Hey... I didn't crap up your for sale thread at least...

[bigred7078]

Guess I missed your point......kinda hard when it's only 1 word.

i never intended for you of all people to get my point

[heiney9]

i never intended for you of all people to get my point

Oh, I'm sorry.....thought the post had a purpose. :D. Just padding your post count then ??? :p:)

[bigred7078]

Oh, I'm sorry.....thought the post had a purpose. :D. Just padding your post count then ??? :p:)

again it was not intended for you to comprehend, hence your extreme confusion ;)

then again, lets call it padding my post count, i like that.

[bigred7078]

i guess i should add some actual news to this thread...

In case any of you forgot the purpose of this thread it was about a guy who had some issues with an Emotiva RSP-2 lol. That gentleman pm'd me the other day (different forum), after somehow finding this thread and sent me this..

"I just noticed that the boys over at the Polk Club got a hold of my post explaining my issues, and are making a bigger than life deal over it."

Well he also stated he is more than happy with how the whole situation has been handled by Emotiva and is still very pleased with the product. I dont know if he will actually join this forum to comment on this, so i dont really want to speak for him. But i figured some sort semi-end result should be mentioned.

[MikeC78]

Emo Lives!!:D

[hearingimpared]

This has just simply turned into a fun thread and not so much an emu bashing thread.

[heiney9]

Yeah, the semi-Emo bashing stopped a long time ago.

[Lowell_M]

This has just simply turned into a fun thread and not so much an emu bashing thread.

Yea... This thread is world class, reference material.

[bigred7078]

This has just simply turned into a fun thread and not so much an emu bashing thread.

lol i know, but i figured i would leave some feedback from what the original guy with the problems told me a few days ago.

[shack]

I didn't place an order today either...so there are no updates to not report.

[heiney9]

I didn't place an order today either...so there are no updates to not report.

But, did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express?

[shack]

But, did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express?

Not last night.

[Ricardo]

I had a cheesburger for lunch today. The pie selection was cherry, so I passed on dessert.

[reeltrouble1]

i guess i should add some actual news to this thread...

In case any of you forgot the purpose of this thread it was about a guy who had some issues with an Emotiva RSP-2 lol. That gentleman pm'd me the other day (different forum), after somehow finding this thread and sent me this..

"I just noticed that the boys over at the Polk Club got a hold of my post explaining my issues, and are making a bigger than life deal over it."

Well he also stated he is more than happy with how the whole situation has been handled by Emotiva and is still very pleased with the product. I dont know if he will actually join this forum to comment on this, so i dont really want to speak for him. But i figured some sort semi-end result should be mentioned.

That is fine but what about the amps Ricardo sent back three times????

RT1

[reeltrouble1]

Not last night.

last thing I remember about last night was a red light, some nylon stockings, and Jesse saying I'm Bad I'm Nationwide.............................

RT1

[shack]

last thing I remember about last night was a red light, some nylon stockings, and Jesse saying I'm Bad I'm Nationwide.............................

RT1

Was this at a Holiday Inn Express?

[reeltrouble1]

I do not believe so, when asked about the Continental Breakfest, a three toothed grisled man in a stained t-shirt looked up from the counter and mumbled something about "guests" not likely being around long enough for breakfest, he did though offer us a tictac mint.

RT1

[SCompRacer]

The pie selection was cherry, so I passed on dessert.

We have Dutch Apple pie today. I told the wife to get in the kitchen and bake me some pie. After the swelling in my eye went down, I drove to Jewel and bought one.

[shack]

I do not believe so, when asked about the Continental Breakfest, a three toothed grisled man in a stained t-shirt looked up from the counter and mumbled something about "guests" not likely being around long enough for breakfest, he did though offer us a tictac mint.

RT1

Ahhhhh....So it was a Motel 6....

[Ricardo]

That is fine but what about the amps Ricardo sent back three times????

RT1

I got tired of waiting and exchanged the tuner for a year's supply of Sara Lee apple pie.

[shack]

I had a cheesburger for lunch today. The pie selection was cherry, so I passed on dessert.

After reading one of Ted's other posts....I wish I had ordered the fishsticks...:(

[moe]

Funny stuff,I find it amusing on a Polk site the discussion of who is world class blah blah.I own Polk,have owned Polk for many years,never considered it "reference stuff".I actually consider it about like emo,some good stuff at a good price,no more,no less.

I have owned many amps over the years,a $700 emo is as good as many $2k amps I've owned,better than some.....

Don't even start on quality,I think we all know none are above issues.

[hearingimpared]

Funny stuff,I find it amusing on a Polk site the discussion of who is world class blah blah.I own Polk,have owned Polk for many years,never considered it "reference stuff".I actually consider it about like emo,some good stuff at a good price,no more,no less.

I have owned many amps over the years,a $700 emo is as good as many $2k amps I've owned,better than some.....

Don't even start on quality,I think we all know none are above issues.

Welcome to Club Polk moe, we're just having a little fun here.

[Ricardo]

Don't even start on quality,I think we all know none are above issues.

Are you sure? Have you ever tried Sara Lee pies????

(Welcome)

[heiney9]

Funny stuff,I find it amusing on a Polk site the discussion of who is world class blah blah.I own Polk,have owned Polk for many years,never considered it "reference stuff".I actually consider it about like emo,some good stuff at a good price,no more,no less.

I have owned many amps over the years,a $700 emo is as good as many $2k amps I've owned,better than some.....

Don't even start on quality,I think we all know none are above issues.

Welcome, Moe.....we're having a little fun......don't ruin it. We're waaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy past having to have someone defend Emo.

Thank god my amp cost $2000.01 so it must be better than an Emo.

H9

[hearingimpared]

I think we need to turn him on to Sona's pies.:D

[Lowell_M]

Funny stuff,I find it amusing on a Polk site the discussion of who is world class blah blah.I own Polk,have owned Polk for many years,never considered it "reference stuff".I actually consider it about like emo,some good stuff at a good price,no more,no less.

I have owned many amps over the years,a $700 emo is as good as many $2k amps I've owned,better than some.....

Don't even start on quality,I think we all know none are above issues.

Did Larry tell you to say all that, 'cause I'm sure it wasn't Curly.

...Welcome to the craziest thread I've seen here and to Club Polk.

[comfortablycurt]

Are you sure? Have you ever tried Sara Lee pies????

(Welcome)

Sara Lee does make some very excellent pies. I've always been very satisfied with the World Class, Reference quality that Sara Lee puts into their pie production.

I've been thinking about picking up a couple Sara Lee pies to power my Monitor 7's actually. Anyone know what kind provides the best SQ?

[LessisNevermore]

Sara Lee does make some very excellent pies. I've always been very satisfied with the World Class, Reference quality that Sara Lee puts into their pie production.

I've been thinking about picking up a couple Sara Lee pies to power my Monitor 7's actually. Anyone know what kind provides the best SQ?

Sara Lee is priced under $10/pie. Therefore it can only be mid-fi pie. Because I said so, and I'm somebody.:p

[george daniel]

Gawd,, this is turning into the "Neverending Story" :eek:

[heiney9]

I prefer Mrs. Smith's apple pie with Breyer's Vanilla ice cream.

[LessisNevermore]

I prefer Mrs. Smith's apple pie with Breyer's Vanilla ice cream.

I find the vanilla beans used in Breyer's to be a little harsh in the upper register....not as pleasing as the subtle undertones of the beans used in Haagen Dasz.:D:D

[george daniel]

Mmmmm,,, hot pie and ice cream.

[cnh]

Anyone who cannot imagine a horse galloping on a tomato is an idiot!

Someone said that...I wonder what he would have said about pie--probably something equally brilliant.

cnh

[shack]

Funny stuff,I find it amusing on a Polk site the discussion of who is world class blah blah.I own Polk,have owned Polk for many years,never considered it "reference stuff".I actually consider it about like emo,some good stuff at a good price,no more,no less.

I have owned many amps over the years,a $700 emo is as good as many $2k amps I've owned,better than some.....

Don't even start on quality,I think we all know none are above issues.

What does this have to do with anything? I wouldn't pay $700 for an Emu. An Ostrich maybe, but not an Emu...

[messiah]

What does this have to do with anything? I wouldn't pay $700 for an Emu. An Ostrich maybe, but not an Emu...

Mmmmm... Emu pie with Ostrich Ice Cream!!:D

[daboyz]

You're all flipping nuts to be even posting in this long dead thread. Speaking of nuts,nothing quite like a banana split with chopped nuts.

[comfortablycurt]

Sara Lee is priced under $10/pie. Therefore it can only be mid-fi pie. Because I said so, and I'm somebody.:p

I don't know about that...I've compared Sara Lee pies to pies costing two, and even three times as much, and found Sara Lee to have the best stereo imaging of all the different pies. Sara Lee will also bring your midrange to life like no other pie I've ever encountered.

That in combination with the quad Emu mod I recently performed on my Onkyo has made my sound really phenomenal.

I've also been thinking about putting some pies inside of my speakers. I'm thinking something along the lines of Sara Lee French Silk pie will really help to solidify my low end.

[shack]

Moon pies and a RC Cola......Now that's good eatin'!

[Lowell_M]

I like cake.

[LessisNevermore]

I don't know about that...I've compared Sara Lee pies to pies costing two, and even three times as much, and found Sara Lee to have the best stereo imaging of all the different pies. Sara Lee will also bring your midrange to life like no other pie I've ever encountered.

That in combination with the quad Emu mod I recently performed on my Onkyo has made my sound really phenomenal.

I've also been thinking about putting some pies inside of my speakers. I'm thinking something along the lines of Sara Lee French Silk pie will really help to solidify my low end.

What the hell are you talking about? I never said Sara Lee pies didn't taste good. At that price, they are mid-fi pie.;)

[metal83]

Wow, all this talk of pies (and cake), you guys must be a bunch of chubby SOB's....:eek::eek::eek::p:p:p

[heiney9]

Scooter Pies and Orange Crush........

[shack]

Pi = 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375 10582097494459230781640628620899862803482534211706 798214808651... approximately.

[Ricardo]

Pie = foot in Spanish.

[george daniel]

anybody ever put peanuts in their coca-cola?

[Ricardo]

Or maybe Coca - Cola in their peanuts?

[george daniel]

man,, this thread has gone to hell in a haandbag, hasn't it.;)

[Lowell_M]

anybody ever put peanuts in their coca-cola?

No. What happens?

[Face]

No, but Mentos in diet coke will do wonders.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKoB0MHVBvM

[SCompRacer]

No. What happens?

It was a 50's-60's thing. We will have to add this to the RAS agenda Saturday. You said no can can hear us if we are in the basement...is it a finished basement?

[heiney9]

It was a 50's-60's thing. We will have to add this to the RAS agenda Saturday. You said no can can hear us if we are in the basement...is it a finished basement?

Rich, it's a crawl space. Bring candles and a blanket and the extension cord is for the gear not the lights :):D.

Will Aaron be serving PIE

[SCompRacer]

Rich, it's a crawl space. Bring candles and a blanket and the extension cord is for the gear not the lights :):D.
Thanks for the heads up. I'll also bring the Radon detector.;)




Will Aaron be serving PIE

I'm tired of PIE. How about some CAKE?

[kuntasensei]

i'm tired of pie. How about some cake?

The cake is a LIE!

[heiney9]

Howsa 'bout some nice bread pudding?

[reeltrouble1]

my camel enjoys bread pie with some chianti, but still his favorite are dandeloins.

RT1

[Lowell_M]

It was a 50's-60's thing. We will have to add this to the RAS agenda Saturday. You said no can can hear us if we are in the basement...is it a finished basement?

Yea. The basement is finished and pretty well insulated. I live in a condo, so wanted to try to not be a pest.... plus that's where I have "the dungeon"

[shack]

plus that's where I have "the dungeon"

Are we talking whips, handcuffs, lots of leather, etc....?

[Lowell_M]

Are we talking whips, handcuffs, lots of leather, etc....?

Well....... yes.... but only a little bit of leather

I wouldn't consider it World Class or Referrence quality, but I do use an Emotiva with my electrodes.

[hearingimpared]

Pie = foot in Spanish.

MMMMMMMMM I like feet!:eek:

[LessisNevermore]

Thanks for the heads up. I'll also bring the Radon detector.;)




I'm tired of PIE. How about some CAKE?

Don't sweat the radon, it decays very quickly. It loves to hang onto plastic, so leave your hard hat at home.:D

[Face]

The cake is a LIE!

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/2121/jinxportalthecakeisalie.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Great game, can't wait for the sequel.

[SCompRacer]

Don't sweat the radon, it decays very quickly. It loves to hang onto plastic, so leave your hard hat at home.:D

My chaps are leather, and I don't wear a hard hat, so no worries.

[moe]

I just wanted to say thanks for the welcome,my name is moe and I'm addicted to Cake and Radon.(flame suit on)I've had pie for many years,I don't consider it better than Cake.I've had some very nice pie,twice the price of Cake,but still prefer Cake.

[Lowell_M]

I just wanted to say thanks for the welcome,my name is moe and I'm addicted to Cake and Radon.(flame suit on)I've had pie for many years,I don't consider it better than Cake.I've had some very nice pie,twice the price of Cake,but still prefer Cake.

That was World Class... You officially fit into this thread! :cool::D

[Retro152]

I just wanted to say thanks for the welcome,my name is moe and I'm addicted to Cake and Radon.(flame suit on)I've had pie for many years,I don't consider it better than Cake.I've had some very nice pie,twice the price of Cake,but still prefer Cake.

Hey Moe!........... Welcome!:D

[cnh]

What happened to everyone here?

cnh

[hearingimpared]

We came down with emu poisoning.

[shack]

I'm still thinking about not ordering any EMO gear.

[Ricardo]

Things are quiet just because as we speak (or type), a group of polkies are getting into an underground location in Illinois. The reason that got all these polkies converge in this unidentified location? They will demo an EMO.

[hearingimpared]

Things are quiet just because as we speak (or type), a group of polkies are getting into an underground location in Illinois. The reason that got all these polkies converge in this unidentified location? They will demo an EMO.

LOL! will you be serving it for dinner?:D

[shack]

LOL! will you be serving it for dinner?:D

Joe....They are having PIE...with cake for desert!

[hearingimpared]

LOL! will you be serving it for dinner?:D


Joe....They are having PIE...with cake for desert!

Wow I didn't know Sona was back in circulation.:D

[SCompRacer]

Things are quiet just because as we speak (or type), a group of polkies are getting into an underground location in Illinois. The reason that got all these polkies converge in this unidentified location? They will demo an EMO.


Yes, everything you said has materialized! Shown below, an RAS member pays homage to the mighty Emo... or was he tripped and bracing for the fall? Begging for it to start? Stop?:p (j/k:D) Praying to the remote gods so Aaron didn't have to run back and forth switching tracks?.....tune in tomorrow for the next episode of As The RAS Turns!

[hearingimpared]

Yes, everything you said has materialized! Shown below, an RAS member pays homage to the mighty Emo... or was he tripped and bracing for the fall? Begging for it to start? Stop?:p (j/k:D) Praying to the remote gods so Aaron didn't have to run back and forth switching tracks?.....tune in tomorrow for the next episode of As The RAS Turns!

WAAAAAAAAAAA as the RAS turns.

[xcapri79]

Let's call it educated experience. I have never driven a Chevy Cavalier; but as far as what an auto is expected to do it does do. But I can tell you that it's not in the same league as a BMW. The BMW serves the same utilitarian purpose of safely getting passengers from A to B to C, but you'd never confuse it with a Chevy. By the same example a BMW is not a Ferrari, etc, etc....

Same with audio............Emo, while I'm sure to a vast majority of people sounds pretty good............there is much better to be had and in some cases for not a whole lot more.

My biggest beef with EMO lovers is their attitude that these are "World Class" products that compete with pricer brands and other designs which have proven over and over to be better. I get the whole "bang for the buck" thing but EMO's advertising and fan boi's need to stop saying these are the greatest..............because they're not.

Just like my Adcom campaign over the years.......they are what they are in compariosn to like priced and marketed gear. I don't think I've said Adcom was World Class or that it was the "bomb" to borrow a hip term.

Emo is a budget brand in both cost, performance and build quality and in some cases it might be better than similar competition.......nothing more....nothing less.

World Class...................hardly :rolleyes:

First I'll say that I have absolutely no affiliation with Emotiva other than owning their products.
Emotiva is following a similar methodology as another manufacturer of electronic equipment in a completely different area where I am employed as an engineer. This company started in the early 80's with competition against some very large, established, and internationally well-recognized companies that in fact produced the "Ferrari" and "BMW" equivalents of my industry.

Their product undercut the competiton by introducing equivalent or better products at 25% to 50% of the cost of their competitors. They also started with a modest product line up and gradually built it up to be a complete product line up. They designed and built their own equipment. This company operated on a business model of cost plus a decent profit margin instead of the traditional "what the market will bear" pricing structure. This business model difference is something that many do not understand.

To make a long story short, this company is now #1 in North America and moving up strongly in international competition. Quality, performance, customer service/support, low price and best warranty in the business is this company's hallmark.

It is interesting that the criticism of Emotiva is very similar to the criticism of that same company. Some of us in the industry were skeptical at first, but after their products were used and compared to their higher priced competitors, it became an easy decision to make for those of us in the business.

So Emotiva is not unique in what they are doing. Criticism of their product by those who do not understand or doubt their business model is similarly not unique. Let's see where they are in 10 years is what I say, but for right now, they are on the right track for success.

[cfrizz]

Very nice post Xcapri!

[Ricardo]

You guys think we can get this one to 700 posts?

[Kex]

You guys think we can get this one to 700 posts?We might be headed for four figures, I fear, Ricardo ... :eek:! I was hoping this one was finally dead ... unless somebody wants to try tickling F1nut ... I bet that might lead to some interesting events to share with fellow Polkies:

- How did the perpetrator actually succeed in doing it,
- What happened next,
- What is the perpetrator's current location and is he expected to recover,
- Did F1 tickle him back, or just throw his emu at him,
- Do either of them even own an emu ...

So many questions could arise from such an amazing event!

[steveinaz]

People sometimes have a strange reaction to a genuine value.

[reeltrouble1]

what a load of crock that guy in 594 above spewed out, Ricardo still has not been paid for sending his unit back three times. instead somebody sent him some interconnects...........

[metal83]

what a load of crock that guy in 594 above spewed out, Ricardo still has not been paid for sending his unit back three times. instead somebody sent him some interconnects...........

They paid for shipping when they sent me a new XPA-5, and also didn't charge me for that amp at all, never paid a dime. And then when i decided to just keep the XPA-3 i had instead of the XPA-5, they paid for the return shipping for it as well.

I guess it's a "you're mileage may very" sort of thing in.

[heiney9]

People sometimes have a strange reaction to a genuine value.

I actually have a post all ready to go for this thread. No strange reaction here. Finally got my ears on Emo and I was woefully underwhelmed. I will post my impressions later. I had high hopes based on all the fan boy comments........what a disappointment.

Let's just say "the value" shines through when listening. To be fair I had almost the same reaction to Outlaw amps a few years ago when they were the internet flavor of the month.

H9

[Marty913]

Wow, all this talk of pies (and cake), you guys must be a bunch of chubby SOB's

There are other types of PIE also.

[heiney9]

what a load of crock that guy in 594 above spewed out,

I agree........

[shack]

Still not ordering any Emo gear...so I still don't/won't have anything to report.

I have however ordered some Junior's "Most Fabulous" New York Cheesecake. One plain and one chocolate swirl. They should be delivered tomorrow. It sorta looks like pie...but of course it isn't.

[heiney9]

It sorta looks like pie...but of course it isn't.

It's better than PIE!

[Matt34]

I actually have a post all ready to go for this thread. No strange reaction here. Finally got my ears on Emo and I was woefully underwhelmed. I will post my impressions later. I had high hopes based on all the fan boy comments........what a disappointment.

Let's just say "the value" shines through when listening. To be fair I had almost the same reaction to Outlaw amps a few years ago when they were the internet flavor of the month.

H9

Did you swap amps (A/B) during your audition? I'm still amazed people say they can tell the difference between SS amps, I've never been able to do it during blind listening tests (Amps where behind the rack with friend swapping cables).

[heiney9]

Did you swap amps (A/B) during your audition? I'm still amazed people say they can tell the difference between SS amps, I've never been able to do it during blind listening tests (Amps where behind the rack with friend swapping cables).

It's actually very easy to tell a difference. We listened to Adcom, Emo, Monarchy, Pass and Marsh..........they all sounded different. As do cables, cdp's, dac's and just about anything else in the chain.

Again, I have a more descriptive post ready to go at home.

As always....YMMV

H9

[dkg999]

There was a definite difference in SQ and sound signature. Unless you have a basis of comparison it's hard to hear the distinct defferences in sound signature between amps, pre-amps, cables, etc. My take on the Emotiva is that like many direct-to-consumer companies they pick their market niche and price strategy based on research, then manufacture to that price point. It was also clear to me that the Emotiva amp we listened to was tuned for HT use. Quite frankly I think that the sound signature it produced was pretty close to some of the Outlaw Audio gear I have owned or listened to. I found the sound signature of the Emotiva amp to be narrower in width, not having the depth/weight front-to-back or the dynamic slam that I like in an amp. Is that necessarily bad, maybe not in general HT use, and probably compares favorably at the price point. Does that mean it's a bad amp ........ well I ran Outlaw Audio amps that were pretty similar for quite a few years in my HT system. I was happy with them until I heard something I liked better.

[Kex]

... We listened to Adcom, Emo, Monarchy, Pass and Marsh..........they all sounded different ...


... It was also clear to me that the Emotiva amp we listened to was tuned for HT use ...I sincerely hope that these reviews, and whatever others may be coming from the same august company at the gathering, will eventually be posted in a different REVIEW thread. It would be a shame to bury them in this rather lengthy, and now comical one.

I would also agree that I think the Emotiva LPA-1 I owned briefly was mostly tuned for HT use, as many surround capable receivers probably are too, I suppose.

[Matt34]

It's actually very easy to tell a difference. We listened to Adcom, Emo, Monarchy, Pass and Marsh..........they all sounded different. As do cables, cdp's, dac's and just about anything else in the chain.

Again, I have a more descriptive post ready to go at home.

As always....YMMV

H9

Due to my own experiences I'm defiantly on the objectivist side of the fence when it comes to these things, however I do look forward to the review.

[Marty913]

I sincerely hope that these reviews, and whatever others may be coming from the same august company at the gathering, will eventually be posted in a different REVIEW thread. It would be a shame to bury them in this rather lengthy, and now comical one.

+++++1000. H9, please start a new thread. I don't have a dog in this fight but would very very interested in hearing your thoughts. Your reputation here speaks for itself and I would hate to see your comments buried in this thread.

[cnh]

Heiney9 is right. And, I believe you can even hear the difference in mid-fi AVRs like Yamaha, HK, Onkyo, Denon. At least they all sound different to me. And Polk speakers in particular do better with 'warmer' sounding SS AVRs...yes some SS sound warmer than others.

cnh

[Kex]

There are other types of PIE also.I just took a minute to look at that Dilbert rendition of PIE from a few posts up the page. That was quite funny Marty, thanks!

[Ricardo]

H9, your reputation here speaks for itself...

You have no idea :eek:

[Matt34]

Heiney9 is right. And, I believe you can even hear the difference in mid-fi AVRs like Yamaha, HK, Onkyo, Denon. At least they all sound different to me. And Polk speakers in particular do better with 'warmer' sounding SS AVRs...yes some SS sound warmer than others.

cnh

That's your opinion, just don't go throwing it around as fact because objectively in controlled environments it can be proven wrong time and time again.

Edit: I'll more than welcome anyone in southern Arizona to me casa to conduct such an experiment using four different mid-fi receivers and three external amps.

[cnh]

You're right that is my opinion...but most things like that are.

Do you have real tests under controlled conditions that can 'prove' what you claim? And please do provide us with the tests, the statistical methodology and the like because I'm not alone in my opinion.


Don't mean to be argumentative...but one shouldn't be a whimp either...right?


cnh

[shack]

That's your opinion, just don't go throwing it around as fact because objectively in controlled environments it can be proven wrong time and time again.

You have been involved in exactly how many of the controlled environment tests? And what makes you THE expert?

[Kex]

That's your opinion, just don't go throwing it around as fact because objectively in controlled environments it can be proven wrong time and time again. ...I prefer not to listen to/watch my stuff in a controlled environment myself, but at home where I live, so that's where I do all of my listening tests ...

[Matt34]

You're right that is my opinion...but most things like that are.

Do you have real tests under controlled conditions that can 'prove' what you claim? And please do provide us with the tests, the statistical methodology and the like because I'm not alone in my opinion.


Don't mean to be argumentative...but one shouldn't be a whimp either...right?


cnh

I'm not saying your or others are not "perceiving" a difference. Auditioning is fun, but it has been shown time and time again that sighted listening tests are biased by a variety of factors. I suggest reading the following literature to illustrate the exact effects of bias in a sighted listening test.

Toole, Floyd E. Subjective Evaluation: Identifying and Controlling the Variables. J. Audio Engineering Soc., Conference Paper 8-013. May 1990.

Toole, Floyd E.; Olive, Sean E. Hearing is Believing vs. Believing is Hearing: Blind vs. Sighted Listening Tests, and Other Interesting Things. J. Audio Engineering Soc., Conference Paper 3894. November 1994.

[vmaxer]

so.....should one try Emotiva or no??? Seems like some like them and some don't

[Kex]

I'm not saying your or others are not "perceiving" a difference. ...

Oh no ... here we go ... the thread may soon be going back down the tubes ... together with Messrs. Toole, Floyd and Olive.

Kex, B.O.: Emotiva Story, Club Polk, Thread ref. 78494, Page. 21, Post ref. 621. March 2009.

[dkg999]

vmaxer - Only you can judge what's right for you, your system, and your ears. Audio/HT is a journey, not a destination. Take the step forward, pick a door, wear assless chaps ....... but don't stand still and do nothing. Buy the Emotiva and report back.

[cnh]

Emmmmoooooootttttttiiiiiiiiiiiivvvvaaaaaaaaaaa. Emmmmoooooootttttttiiiiiiiiiiiivvvvaaaaaaaaaaa.
Emmmmoooooootttttttiiiiiiiiiiiivvvvaaaaaaaaaaa.

Sounds like a hypnotic induction! Are you 'under' yet?

cnh

[Matt34]

You have been involved in exactly how many of the controlled environment tests? And what makes you THE expert?

I never professed myself an expert, in fact far from it. I have done a few controlled tests in my home with friends and other audio enthusiast and have researched some of Dr. Toole, Brian Castro, Sean Olive extensive work in the area of human perception in regards to audio and how bias's can play a bigger factor in the way we perceive things than most realize.

http://www.aes.org/e-lib/browse.cfm?elib=8338

I'm not here to twist anyone's arm, I just find this kind of stuff interesting.

[Matt34]

Oh no ... here we go ... the thread may soon be going back down the tubes ... together with Messrs. Toole, Floyd and Olive.

Kex, B.O.: Emotiva Story, Club Polk, Thread ref. 78494, Page. 21, Post ref. 621. March 2009.

I'll find my way out of this thread, my apologizes.

[cnh]

If these guys are associated with Harman doesn't that kind of nix any claims, Infinity, JBL, or Harman Kardon can make about the equipment they make and sell? Seems like they'd be shooting themselves in the foot, business wise.

cnh

[vmaxer]

I already ordered an XPA-3, it arrives tomorrow. I also ordered a used Parasound HCA 1000A which will be a few more days...They will be on 2 different systems. This is my first time with amps, just used receivers in the past. With that said, I think I will be pleased because either/both should be improvements.....I think and hope. I can say that the folks at Emotive are very friendly and helpful. The top guys will talk to you and not rush to get off the phone...Reminds me of my dealings with SVS... I do have 30 days to try the Emotiva.

[vmaxer]

I am old enough to remember when anything said made in Japan it was junk....so things do change!

[cnh]

You're absolutely right. Even our elite members here have to admit that unbelievably HIGH END gear is being manufactured in China....companies that sell things in the 10's of thousands of dollars. And the Chinese are fantastic at doing, exactly what many Japanese companies did, i.e., reverse engineering and making it 'cheaper'.

I'll be interested in hearing your impressions between those two amps.

Sounds like a great time!

cnh

[comfortablycurt]

You're absolutely right. Even our elite members here have to admit that unbelievably HIGH END gear is being manufactured in China....companies that sell things in the 10's of thousands of dollars. And the Chinese are fantastic at doing, exactly what many Japanese companies did, i.e., reverse engineering and making it 'cheaper'.

I'll be interested in hearing your impressions between those two amps.

Sounds like a great time!

cnh

Actually, most of the REALLY high end stuff is either produced here in America, in Japan and also somewhat in the various areas of Europe.

A lot of it is still produced in China...but generally, the really expensive stuff isn't.


I'm not saying your or others are not "perceiving" a difference. Auditioning is fun, but it has been shown time and time again that sighted listening tests are biased by a variety of factors. I suggest reading the following literature to illustrate the exact effects of bias in a sighted listening test.

So when I went and auditioned several different AVR's before purchasing one, the very significant sound differences that I heard amongst them weren't actually there, but were in fact me being biased? I wasn't biased towards any particular company when I went and looked at them. I judged them by which sounded the best to me. I demo'ed an Onkyo, a Denon a Yamaha and a Sony. Each one had it's own characteristic sound. In my case, I preferred the warmer sounding Onkyo.

There is most definitely a noticeable sound difference between different pieces of equipment.

[xcapri79]

I agree........


what a load of crock that guy in 594 above spewed out...........

Really, well time will tell. The company's competitors said the same thing in the 80's and 90's, but they are not saying it any more. I work with the company's products every day. They help keep your lights on and your amps running with improved power system reliability.

Emotiva is operating on a similar model from my observations. If they stick to it, I see great success for them. We should be happy for competitive business success in this economy and not decry it.

[metal83]

There is most definitely a noticeable sound difference between different pieces of equipment.

I agree, that's why i chose the Pioneer Elite over other AVR's, i liked how it sounded compared to anything else!

[comfortablycurt]

I agree, that's why i chose the Pioneer Elite over other AVR's, i liked how it sounded compared to anything else!

I still haven't had a chance to get my ears on a Pio Elite AVR. None of the stores around me carry them...so I wasn't able to when I was shopping for one.

I've heard nothing but praise for them though...I'm wishing I would have went and tried one before buying my Onk.

I'm still on the fence as to what route I want to go when I upgrade the Onk, but I'm considering one of the Elites. I'm not sure if I want to get another AVR though, or make the jump to a pre-pro and power amp. I won't be upgrading it for a couple years though at least, so I've still got plenty of time to decide. Maybe I'll get a chance to check out an Elite sometime between now and then.

[F1nut]

We should be happy for competitive business success in this economy and not decry it.

You mean like Bose? GTFOH.

[metal83]

Does anyone here have experience with Emotiva.... and ....Sunfire?

I really want to buy a Sunfire and compare it to my XPA-3. I might need to actually sell the XPA-3 to acquire a Sunfire though.

If not, no big deal, figured it couldn't hurt to ask. ;)

[xcapri79]

You mean like Bose? GTFOH.
This post is about Emotiva. Are you attempting an analogy comparing BOSE to Emotiva? If not why bring them into it, except to be contrarian?
BOSE is not relevant to Emotiva. They don't compare in business model.

[heiney9]

Does anyone here have experience with Emotiva.... and ....Sunfire?

I really want to buy a Sunfire and compare it to my XPA-3. I might need to actually sell the XPA-3 to acquire a Sunfire though.

If not, no big deal, figured it couldn't hurt to ask. ;)

Get the Sunfire and don't look back.

[heiney9]

Really, well time will tell. The company's competitors said the same thing in the 80's and 90's, but they are not saying it any more. I work with the company's products every day. They help keep your lights on and your amps running with improved power system reliability.

Emotiva is operating on a similar model from my observations. If they stick to it, I see great success for them. We should be happy for competitive business success in this economy and not decry it.

It worked real well for Outlaw..............they're everywhere :rolleyes:. Emo is trying to do what Outlaw was trying to do. I wouldn't say either company is failing but they aren't the success you claim they should be.

Outlaw, IMO, has a better perceived track record too. I have nothing against Emo, except for those who keep saying it's "a giant killer", "it's the best thing out there", it competes with amps twice/three time the price", it's a great sounding musical amp, etc, etc". It isnt! Those that "get it" understand, those that don't.......are just deluded. Emo is HT gear designed an marketed with a particular niche and the components and designs are built around a price point. In this case the PP shows.

To flip the coin and show another example, a company like Polk also designs and markets to a specific niche and PP, but IMO, there product almost always exceeds other products (by a wide margin in some cases) at the same PP or even a higher PP. If Emo were like that........then maybe they'd be the raging success you want them to be.

Just my .02c to stimulate this short, lonely thread

H9

[ND13]

Some folks just believe that everything is done with a cookie cutter. LAME!!!

[Marty913]

I'll find my way out of this thread, my apologizes.

No reason to leave Matt, and absolutely no reason to apologize. There are a lot of members (and experts) that share the "perception / bias" view. There are more than a few that take the hybrid approach like amps making a difference but not cables, power plugs. pixie dust, etc. (or the opposite). The arguments have been around for as long as I've been messing with this stuff (1960's).

One thing I have noticed is that IF there is a difference, the difference becomes even more pronounced IF you actually bought the product. Strange.:rolleyes:

[mmadden28]

... I have nothing against Emo, except for those who keep saying it's "a giant killer", "it's the best thing out there", it competes with amps twice/three time the price", it's a great sounding musical amp, etc, etc". It isn't!...

But who is saying those things? Emotiva? 3rd party reviewers? Forum participants?
I still haven't seen much in the way of over the top claims from Emotiva (at least nothing outside of normal marketing), only a lot of reaction to what the other people have said about them and their products,, while some of those reactions/claims appear or might be construed (out of context) as if Emotiva made the claims.

"it's a great sounding musical amp" is a very subjective statement to analyze in the same context as the other claims you quoted, don't you think?

I know you have yet to post your review, but to help put things into perspective for me, which model Emotiva amp did you review/listen to?

[cnh]

Actually, most of the REALLY high end stuff is either produced here in America, in Japan and also somewhat in the various areas of Europe.

A lot of it is still produced in China...but generally, the really expensive stuff isn't.



So when I went and auditioned several different AVR's before purchasing one, the very significant sound differences that I heard amongst them weren't actually there, but were in fact me being biased? I wasn't biased towards any particular company when I went and looked at them. I judged them by which sounded the best to me. I demo'ed an Onkyo, a Denon a Yamaha and a Sony. Each one had it's own characteristic sound. In my case, I preferred the warmer sounding Onkyo.

There is most definitely a noticeable sound difference between different pieces of equipment.

I guess I wasn't clear enough. You're right many things are still made in Japan or Europe but there is a REAL shift toward China..especially for a number or very well known high end speaker makers. And, of course, most Polks are put together there as well. If you go to some manufacturer's sites and look at the pics they have of the 'back' of their products many black out the 'made in china' stuff especially when it's over 2 grand or more!

The Chinese have taken over IBMs PC division and that used to be the primary Business machine. I'm certain their engineers can duplicate any piece of current electronics with ease and copy laws being as lax as they are there, there's no reason for an MIT educated Chinese to not do this? Look for China to take most of the entire market in the next 10 years.

cnh

[F1nut]

This post is about Emotiva. Are you attempting an analogy comparing BOSE to Emotiva? If not why bring them into it, except to be contrarian?
BOSE is not relevant to Emotiva. They don't compare in business model.

Why yes I am and why yes they do.

[reeltrouble1]

why dont you new guys relax???

this was much better when it was about the pie

EMU is the new pink

RT1

[cfrizz]

Tsk, tsk, tsk. You all are one mean bunch! Ya sent poor Matt scurrying back to Audioholics feeling dizzy!:eek::mad::p;):D

"Sorry, I was a little light-headed when I posted that from all the pixie dust and snake oil present on another forum I was visiting."

:D:cool::D


No reason to leave Matt, and absolutely no reason to apologize. There are a lot of members (and experts) that share the "perception / bias" view. There are more than a few that take the hybrid approach like amps making a difference but not cables, power plugs. pixie dust, etc. (or the opposite). The arguments have been around for as long as I've been messing with this stuff (1960's).

One thing I have noticed is that IF there is a difference, the difference becomes even more pronounced IF you actually bought the product. Strange.:rolleyes:

[xcapri79]

Very nice post Xcapri!

Thank you Cfrizz.

[Matt34]

Tsk, tsk, tsk. You all are one mean bunch! Ya sent poor Matt scurrying back to Audioholics feeling dizzy!:eek::mad::p;):D

"Sorry, I was a little light-headed when I posted that from all the pixie dust and snake oil present on another forum I was visiting."

:D:cool::D

At the very least I found out my tolerance to such things. It was a good learning experience.

[hearingimpared]

Tsk, tsk, tsk. You all are one mean bunch! Ya sent poor Matt scurrying back to Audioholics feeling dizzy!:eek::mad::p;):D


:D:cool::D

WAAAAAAAAAAAAA I just pictured you standing there with folded arms, one eyebrow cocked and tapping foot going "Tsk, tsk, tsk."

[tonyb]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAA I just pictured you standing there with folded arms, one eyebrow cocked and tapping foot going "Tsk, tsk, tsk."


That tapping sound wasn't her foot....good ol' Louisville slugger is my guess.:)

[F1nut]

Sorry, I was a little light-headed when I posted that from all the pixie dust and snake oil present on another forum I was visiting."



Great, another bozo. :rolleyes:

[xcapri79]

Emmmmoooooootttttttiiiiiiiiiiiivvvvaaaaaaaaaaa. Emmmmoooooootttttttiiiiiiiiiiiivvvvaaaaaaaaaaa.
Emmmmoooooootttttttiiiiiiiiiiiivvvvaaaaaaaaaaa.

Sounds like a hypnotic induction! Are you 'under' yet?

cnh

It is best pronounced by a Spanish football (soccer for Americans) announcer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ6oz54qh9w

[Keiko]

why dont you new guys relax???

this was much better when it was about the pie

EMU is the new pink

RT1
MMmmm! PIE! And just in time to Ted for the Emo sequel. Well, here we go again. :D

[tonyb]

This thread reminds me of the old days when Emerson,Fisher,Zenith,were considered hi-fi.
Though fisher did have some good products,most of the line was junk.Emo has yet to display products as time tested like some other major brands,so we shall see.Obviously they aim at first timers jumping into seperates,but with the costs of some quality used gear out there today...I dunno guys.Time will tell.

[xcapri79]

I dunno guys.Time will tell.

Just like I said in #631. Now it is time for some pie.

[Matt34]

Great, another bozo. :rolleyes:

It amazes me that while keeping dibs on my interweb postings, she automatically assumed I was talking about Polkaudio as I frequent numerous audio sites daily.:rolleyes:

[vmaxer]

Well..........I just got home with my new XPA-3...Packed great...looks good....weighs a ton.....now I go to hook it up and see how it sounds!!!!!!!!!!

[cfrizz]

Believe me Matt, I'm not in the habit of keeping track of anyone's postings but since you popped into a thread at AH that was discussing the benefits of amplification & quoted some of Marty's post it was kind of hard NOT to make the connection.

But that is neither here nor there. The fact is around here most people believe their ears & not some meaningless test. You are not going to change your mind & we aren't going to change ours on this particular issue so it's best to agree to disagree.



It amazes me that while keeping dibs on my interweb postings, she automatically assumed I was talking about Polkaudio as I frequent numerous audio sites daily.:rolleyes:

[shack]

IT CAME TODAY!

My Junior's "Most Fabulous" New York Cheesecake was delivered...packed great...looks good....weighs a ton.....now I go to eat it.

[Ron Temple]

It amazes me that while keeping dibs on my interweb postings, she automatically assumed I was talking about Polkaudio as I frequent numerous audio sites daily.:rolleyes:Hey Matt, don't take it personally. This is Club Polk, the Kingdom of Personality Disfunction. You don't have to agree, just be clever and have a sense of humor. This thread is mostly pointless and should be added only to break a record for empty posts.

[cfrizz]

Nice post Tony. More options & more opportunities to get a larger segment of people interested in getting the most out of their speakers is a very good thing.

Too many people still try to make this an Us vs Them when it doesn't have to be that way.


This thread reminds me of the old days when Emerson,Fisher,Zenith,were considered hi-fi.
Though fisher did have some good products,most of the line was junk.Emo has yet to display products as time tested like some other major brands,so we shall see.Obviously they aim at first timers jumping into seperates,but with the costs of some quality used gear out there today...I dunno guys.Time will tell.

[vmaxer]

Shack...just noticed you are in Tennessee...what city??

[cfrizz]

:D Glad I gave you a laugh Joe. That is what I was aiming for!:D


WAAAAAAAAAAAAA I just pictured you standing there with folded arms, one eyebrow cocked and tapping foot going "Tsk, tsk, tsk."

[shack]

Shack...just noticed you are in Tennessee...what city??

Knoxville. You?

[cnh]

+1 and a bump on that!

cnh

[vmaxer]

Small world, I have been in Paris, Tennessee since 1990 - about 300 miles west of you and up close to the KY border... I lived most of my life in Morristown, Tennessee - about 40 miles east of you. I have spent a lot of time in Knoxville. It sure is beautiful country up there!! I also spent a lot of time in the Pigeon Forge and Gatlinburg area..sure miss it!

[comfortablycurt]

IT CAME TODAY!

My Junior's "Most Fabulous" New York Cheesecake was delivered...packed great...looks good....weighs a ton.....now I go to eat it.

Nice!!

Make sure you post a nice lengthy review on your Juniors Most Fabulous New York Cheesecake once you've gotten some eating time in on it. I'm really interested in hearing how it compares to Emu Pie.

So have you decided to not order any Emotiva gear yet?

[F1nut]

It amazes me that while keeping dibs on my interweb postings, she automatically assumed I was talking about Polkaudio as I frequent numerous audio sites daily.:rolleyes:

I enjoy a good laugh, so keep dancing.

[xcapri79]

+1 for Emotiva for encouraging some nice discussion. Must be that name. In this economy and with Jim H. Jones running things what a relief!

[Matt34]

I enjoy a good laugh, so keep dancing.

No dancing here numb nuts...I guess I've now been properly introduced to the resident asshole. It's ok, every forum has one.

[shack]

Make sure you post a nice lengthy review on your Juniors Most Fabulous New York Cheesecake once you've gotten some eating time in on it.

DAMN GOOD Cheesecake! Nuff said.


So have you decided to not order any Emotiva gear yet?

I called EMO up to tell them I wasn't going to order anything. THEY HUNG UP ON ME! What kind of excellent customer service is that?

[xcapri79]

DAMN GOOD Cheesecake! Nuff said.



I called EMO up to tell them I wasn't going to order anything. THEY HUNG UP ON ME! What kind of excellent customer service is that?

I would too. They are smart like Mark Levin.

[xcapri79]

I would too. They are smart like Mark Levin. Thankfully invoking his name ended this. Now get off the phone...

[comfortablycurt]

DAMN GOOD Cheesecake! Nuff said.

Would you go so far as to say that it's World Class, Reference Quality Cheesecake? If so...I'm gonna have to get me some.




I called EMO up to tell them I wasn't going to order anything. THEY HUNG UP ON ME! What kind of excellent customer service is that?

Terrible customer service there. If they won't take the time of day to help someone that doesn't own any of their products, or have any intentions of purchasing any, then I want nothing to do with them.

I fully intend to not purchase any Emotiva gear, at any point in time, for any reason whatsoever. They've pushed me over the edge with this.


I'm going to go have a piece of this delicious PIE now. It's Sara Lee French Silk PIE. Truly reference quality. It should be quite good.

[shack]

Mark Levin....Isn't he Carl Levin's illegitimate son?

[hearingimpared]

No dancing here numb nuts...I guess I've now been properly introduced to the resident asshole. It's ok, every forum has one.

That was totally uncalled for.

[xcapri79]

Mark Levin....Isn't he Carl Levin's illegitimate son?

So did you vote for Jim H.Jones?

[F1nut]

That was totally uncalled for.


It's ok Joe, he just proved what I already knew about him and now the entire forum knows too.

And I'm still batting 1000. :D

[shack]

So did you vote for Jim H.Jones?

I voted for Larry Smith

[xcapri79]

I voted for Larry Smith

Does he use a teleprompter? If not why did you vote for him?

[metal83]

I actually have a post all ready to go for this thread. No strange reaction here. Finally got my ears on Emo and I was woefully underwhelmed. I will post my impressions later. I had high hopes based on all the fan boy comments........what a disappointment.

Let's just say "the value" shines through when listening. To be fair I had almost the same reaction to Outlaw amps a few years ago when they were the internet flavor of the month.

H9

So when are you going to post your impressions/review?
Just curious, as i'd like to hear some reviews from people who own and have heard other equipment besides Emotiva. I know i could go to the Emotiva Lounge for that, but it's usually the same things said over and over again by the same people.

[xcapri79]

Is this thread still about Emo?

[shack]

Does he use a teleprompter? If not why did you vote for him?

Because he doesn't use EMO. I think he owns some Monster and Bose gear...but he doesn't know any better and I don't hold that against him. I mean he IS a politician....how smart can he be?

[Matt34]

Hey Matt, don't take it personally. This is Club Polk, the Kingdom of Personality Disfunction. You don't have to agree, just be clever and have a sense of humor. This thread is mostly pointless and should be added only to break a record for empty posts.

Yeah the welcoming committee has been wonderful here.:rolleyes:


It's ok Joe, he just proved what I already knew about him and now the entire forum knows too.

And I'm still batting 1000. :D

You obviously don't know jack about me, yet went out of your way to insult me twice.

[xcapri79]

Let's put all our hands in place and end this singing Kumbaya.

[shack]

Let's put all our hands in place and end this singing Kumbaya.

Why in the hell would we want to do that?

[mrbigbluelight]

Yeah the welcoming committee has been wonderful here.:rolleyes:


As an Associate Jr. Member of the Adjunct Welcoming Committee, may I be the first to extend to you the Hand of Friendship !


....okay, I'm aware that that's really not a hand ...... but, ....... uhm ..... :o




You obviously don't know jack about me, yet went out of your way to insult me twice.


Well, I guess that the Hand of Friendship ! thing is starting to look a little better after all, isn't it ?


:)














..... okay, I'm entertaining myself again because I'm not entirely sure what this thread is about......

[Matt34]

But that is neither here nor there. The fact is around here most people believe their ears & not some meaningless test. You are not going to change your mind & we aren't going to change ours on this particular issue so it's best to agree to disagree.

Here is the best analogy I can think of that relates to this: If we only ever relied on our own perception of things the earth would still be considered flat and the sun would rotate around the earth. That is what humans perceived for thousands of years, yet through science we discovered we were completely wrong.

I use my ears, I just like to verify what I'm hearing from time to time with science.

[comfortablycurt]

Here is the best analogy I can think of that relates to this: If we only ever relied on our own perception of things the earth would still be considered flat and the sun would rotate around the earth. That is what humans perceived for thousands of years, yet through science we discovered we were completely wrong.

I use my ears, I just like to verify what I'm hearing from time to time with science.


Here's a quote by Nelson Pass(snagged from Brock's sig...thanks Brock:))


"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

There's a lot of truth in that. You can read all the specs you want, but that still isn't going to tell you very much about how something sounds. It gives you a certain amount of insight as to what you should expect it to sound like, but the numbers can only say so much. There are amps that sound incredible in some peoples rigs, and utterly terrible in others. Does that make it a shitty amp? Not at all...the synergy just wasn't on in the second rig like it was in the first.

The specs are still the same no matter what rig you use it in...but the sound could be a night and day difference.



edit-Only 12 more posts to 700!!! The Emotiva Story Lives on!!!

[F1nut]

"Sorry, I was a little light-headed when I posted that from all the pixie dust and snake oil present on another forum I was visiting."



Anyone else notice that Matt hasn't denied his comment was directed at CP? More of a side step.

The dance continues.

[Ricardo]

Emotiva is operating on a similar model from my observations. If they stick to it, I see great success for them.

Wrong. WRONG!.

Here's an example of a good business model, from which everyone should learn!


Sara Lee is examining a sale of its European household and personal-care business as the company seeks to reverse a decline in its stock and focus on its core food and beverage business, the Wall Street Journal reports, citing people familiar with the matter.

The right Business Model: Focus on PIE!!! (http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/story/10471701/1/sara-lee-may-sell-european-business-report.html?cm_ven=YAHOO&cm_cat=FREE&cm_ite=NA)

[suprafantx]

Is this thread still about Emo?

No, it is about food. CAKE, PIE, and SH$T.:p:p:p

[shack]

No, it is about food. CAKE, PIE, and SH$T.

Oh no...it IS about that...AND EMO...and so much more. It is a WORLD CLASS THREAD!

[metal83]

You guys are a riot! lol :p;)

[vmaxer]

What if all of us earthlings (and others) agreed 100% on everything...liked the same things and weren't different....:confused::eek:

Would the world be a better place or just BORING??

[NotaSuv]

Fred has over 30 years experince as a sound engineer...tried these on a whim...first one he turned on blew out......




John, Since you were there---

A copy of an e-mail I just sent -- enjoy

Fred
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Dear Dan and Lonnie,

Thanks for the opportunity to try out the XPA-1's. I am in the process of packing all four of them for return. It appears I have the wrong speakers for the amplifiers. Further to our telcons, I have some notes and comments that you may find of value.

As I explained to Dan, who generously offered me good pricing as a return customer, I have been attempting to replace a high-power, high damping factor (over 10000) amplifier that I was driving two parallel Woofers with each of the L and R channels. It has been shipped to Japan and I now realize it was a mistake to have sold it. I was using bridged XPA-2's to drive the HF horns. The speakers weigh 300lbs each not including the separate crossover enclosure.

http://homepage.mac.com/dkoya/audio/k2m9500.html

After reading your XPA-1 description with reference to its superior control and limitless power and comments that it would "laugh at a 2ohm load", I believed that two xpa-1s should easily replace the single Crown Reference 1 that I sold to acquire the XPA-1's. When I unpacked and connected the XPA-1s to the woofer pairs, I was greatly dissappointed that the was intolerably loose, muddy and boomy. I couldn't raise the volume because energy remaining in the circuit was too highly annoying. The motion of the heavy woofers just wouldn't stop quickly and crisply. So I ordered two more, 1 for each woofer and was tri-amping, and beefed up the speaker leads to 4 conductors of 12awg from each amp. The result was an improvement but still far short of the control I experienced with the amp I was replacing. Although only 3 of four were operational, I concluded that four XPA1s still couldn't do it. There was an improvement in the midrange and imaging, but not enough to be convincing. It was obvious that an XPA-1 is definitely not the "control freak" as described in one of the publications.

I then tried other amplifiers. An $800 used Proceed HPA-2 stereo amp made by Levinson with a channel to each woofer sounded better than an HPA-1 on each woofer, but was still lacking in damping factor... Next, A pair of 20-year old Adcom GFA-565 monoblocks were tried because of their high damping factor of 800. The bass was noticibly tighter, almost as good as my original amp, but unfortunately they were rough and muddied the midrange.

Having proven that higher damping factor was key, I remembered that Lonnie once stated told me that damping factor for the XPA-2s was 500, not 200 as stated in the manuals. I then connected an XPA-2 with a channel each to a woofer. The bass tightness improved to a point somewhere between the XPA1's and the Adcoms as might be predicted according to damping factor. Of interest is that some re-equalizing was needed as seen on the spectrum analyzer before they sounded good. A further note is that extensive acoustic work has been done with the approximately 3500 cubic foot room with favorable hgt, width length ratios. so the room should not be considered an issue.

My latest information is that the XPA1-s have an internal resistance of 0.04 ohms with an 8 ohm load that translates to a damping factor of 200. When asked, Lonnie wasn't sure of this, which I found surprising. One of your web pages states the THD of the XPA-1 as 0.001 at full power from 20-20,000. The manual and bench tests implied a much different number. I concluded that is that it is not a good sign if the primary representaives of the company are not sure of either the published or other critical specifications. I had been rationalizing that this information might have been kept unavailable for competitive reasons.

Some quality control issues:

1-A rubber foot came off one unit when sliding it sideways on a shelf. Apply glue?
2-A trigger output failed to activate the next amplifier. Their sequence had to be rearranged. Add series resistor to prevent damage from shorting, in the event someone is reaching behind the unit to feel the opening with the tip of the connector?
3-One of the amplifiers smoked from its rear center when the amplifier was first switched on. Lonnie thought it was from the regulator board. Power on test?
4-A leftmost blue level indicator lamp on one of the three working units stayed on after the others were triggered off. It was erratic because it sometimes did stay off. I thought I noticed it once on one of the other amps. Perhaps it is set too sensitive and noise induction from the speaker wiring activated it.
5-The power cords were 18 gauge as might be found for desk lamps and clock radios. The plastic jackets were so brittle at low temperature that you might need to caution users not to flex them until they get to room temperature. When I saw this, I immediately re-wired for 240vac, as the Proceed amplifier with a similar kva rating had a 14 gauge cord.
6-The power connectors at the rear of the amplifers easily comes loose when the amplifier is shifted. Add a strain-relief outboard fastner that would hold the cord to the chassis? Permanently wire the cord inside, with a strain relief and grommet through the chassis?

There are some qualities that I applaud, such as the automatic ac voltage switching, optical isolation for the trigger inputs and the addition of the trigger outputs for repeating.

I know there are quality control issures with a new product, especially when manufacturing overseas. I appreciate the opportunity to acquire a quality product at an affordable price, as has been my experience so far. Might it be possible to sacrifice some phase alignment and other parameters and do some circuit tweaking to produce a separate model with high negative feedback? A damping factor upwards of say 600 or so, maybe 1000, to drive difficult loads and add some "woofer authority"?

At least you don't have as tough a job as Obama!

Thanks and Regards,

Fred K

[Ricardo]

Mas leña al fuego!!!!

[heiney9]

Fred has over 30 years experince as a sound engineer...tried these on a whim...first one he turned on blew out......




John, Since you were there---

A copy of an e-mail I just sent -- enjoy

Fred
----------------------------------------------------------------
Dear Dan and Lonnie,

Thanks for the opportunity to try out the XPA-1's. I am in the process of packing all four of them for return. It appears I have the wrong speakers for the amplifiers. Further to our telcons, I have some notes and comments that you may find of value.

As I explained to Dan, who generously offered me good pricing as a return customer, I have been attempting to replace a high-power, high damping factor (over 10000) amplifier that I was driving two parallel Woofers with each of the L and R channels. It has been shipped to Japan and I now realize it was a mistake to have sold it. I was using bridged XPA-2's to drive the HF horns. The speakers weigh 300lbs each not including the separate crossover enclosure.

http://homepage.mac.com/dkoya/audio/k2m9500.html

After reading your XPA-1 description with reference to its superior control and limitless power and comments that it would "laugh at a 2ohm load", I believed that two xpa-1s should easily replace the single Crown Reference 1 that I sold to acquire the XPA-1's. When I unpacked and connected the XPA-1s to the woofer pairs, I was greatly dissappointed that the was intolerably loose, muddy and boomy. I couldn't raise the volume because energy remaining in the circuit was too highly annoying. The motion of the heavy woofers just wouldn't stop quickly and crisply. So I ordered two more, 1 for each woofer and was tri-amping, and beefed up the speaker leads to 4 conductors of 12awg from each amp. The result was an improvement but still far short of the control I experienced with the amp I was replacing. Although only 3 of four were operational, I concluded that four XPA1s still couldn't do it. There was an improvement in the midrange and imaging, but not enough to be convincing. It was obvious that an XPA-1 is definitely not the "control freak" as described in one of the publications.

I then tried other amplifiers. An $800 used Proceed HPA-2 stereo amp made by Levinson with a channel to each woofer sounded better than an HPA-1 on each woofer, but was still lacking in damping factor... Next, A pair of 20-year old Adcom GFA-565 monoblocks were tried because of their high damping factor of 800. The bass was noticibly tighter, almost as good as my original amp, but unfortunately they were rough and muddied the midrange.

Having proven that higher damping factor was key, I remembered that Lonnie once stated told me that damping factor for the XPA-2s was 500, not 200 as stated in the manuals. I then connected an XPA-2 with a channel each to a woofer. The bass tightness improved to a point somewhere between the XPA1's and the Adcoms as might be predicted according to damping factor. Of interest is that some re-equalizing was needed as seen on the spectrum analyzer before they sounded good. A further note is that extensive acoustic work has been done with the approximately 3500 cubic foot room with favorable hgt, width length ratios. so the room should not be considered an issue.

My latest information is that the XPA1-s have an internal resistance of 0.04 ohms with an 8 ohm load that translates to a damping factor of 200. When asked, Lonnie wasn't sure of this, which I found surprising. One of your web pages states the THD of the XPA-1 as 0.001 at full power from 20-20,000. The manual and bench tests implied a much different number. I concluded that is that it is not a good sign if the primary representaives of the company are not sure of either the published or other critical specifications. I had been rationalizing that this information might have been kept unavailable for competitive reasons.

Some quality control issues:

1-A rubber foot came off one unit when sliding it sideways on a shelf. Apply glue?
2-A trigger output failed to activate the next amplifier. Their sequence had to be rearranged. Add series resistor to prevent damage from shorting, in the event someone is reaching behind the unit to feel the opening with the tip of the connector?
3-One of the amplifiers smoked from its rear center when the amplifier was first switched on. Lonnie thought it was from the regulator board. Power on test?
4-A leftmost blue level indicator lamp on one of the three working units stayed on after the others were triggered off. It was erratic because it sometimes did stay off. I thought I noticed it once on one of the other amps. Perhaps it is set too sensitive and noise induction from the speaker wiring activated it.
5-The power cords were 18 gauge as might be found for desk lamps and clock radios. The plastic jackets were so brittle at low temperature that you might need to caution users not to flex them until they get to room temperature. When I saw this, I immediately re-wired for 240vac, as the Proceed amplifier with a similar kva rating had a 14 gauge cord.
6-The power connectors at the rear of the amplifers easily comes loose when the amplifier is shifted. Add a strain-relief outboard fastner that would hold the cord to the chassis? Permanently wire the cord inside, with a strain relief and grommet through the chassis?

There are some qualities that I applaud, such as the automatic ac voltage switching, optical isolation for the trigger inputs and the addition of the trigger outputs for repeating.

I know there are quality control issures with a new product, especially when manufacturing overseas. I appreciate the opportunity to acquire a quality product at an affordable price, as has been my experience so far. Might it be possible to sacrifice some phase alignment and other parameters and do some circuit tweaking to produce a separate model with high negative feedback? A damping factor upwards of say 600 or so, maybe 1000, to drive difficult loads and add some "woofer authority"?

At least you don't have as tough a job as Obama!

Thanks and Regards,

Fred K

Yeppers.

H9

[mrbigbluelight]

Well, that's all fine and dandy but

[mrbigbluelight]

the important thing is

[heiney9]

We made it to 700!!!!!

[mrbigbluelight]

Another milestone in Club Polk history:




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[mrbigbluelight]

Note to Self: Next time have bee-cat pictures ready. :)

[metal83]

I'm about to hit a milestone in my own personal Club Polk history, with 1,000 posts!


I wonder if i'll get a cookie (or maybe a "PIE")...:D

[heiney9]

Note to Self: Next time have bee-cat pictures ready. :)

Sorry Blue, didn't realize you had something ready to go :p

[Ricardo]

705. The sky is the limit.

[cfrizz]

And may this thread live on! LOL. What fun.

By the way, my favorite cheesecake is Ricotta, and nobody makes it like an Italian restaurant somewhere in VA. I'll have to ask Mark the name of it.

[Kex]

Mas leña al fuego!!!!Is that more oil on the fire or something? Sorry, but I don't have any culture :o.

[Ricardo]

Is that more oil on the fire or something? Sorry, but I don't have any culture :o.

Translation is "more wood for the fire"; it's a common idiom in Spanish that means just that. A bump if you will :)

[vmaxer]

;):d

[timlitton]

Lo siento Ricardo, no hablo español. Gracias a Dios por Google Translate. Espero que no me sonido retardado.

Espero que los aficionados no EMO iniciar un motÃ*n.

[Ricardo]

It does sound a bit retarded.

Lo siento Ricardo, no hablo español. Gracias a Dios por Google Translate. Espero que no suene retardado.
Espero que los aficionados de EMO no inicien un motÃ*n.

[Keiko]

And may this thread live on! LOL. What fun.

By the way, my favorite cheesecake is Ricotta, and nobody makes it like an Italian restaurant somewhere in VA. I'll have to ask Mark the name of it.
MMmmm cheesecake. Yummolicious! I'll have the baked Emo, followed by Ricotta cheesecake for dessert Cathy. :)

[Kex]

That's your opinion, just don't go throwing it around as fact because objectively in controlled environments it can be proven wrong time and time again. ...

I'm not saying your or others are not "perceiving" a difference. Auditioning is fun, but it has been shown time and time again that sighted listening tests are biased by a variety of factors. I suggest reading the following literature to illustrate the exact effects of bias in a sighted listening test.

Toole, Floyd E. Subjective Evaluation: Identifying and Controlling the Variables. J. Audio Engineering Soc., Conference Paper 8-013. May 1990.

Toole, Floyd E.; Olive, Sean E. Hearing is Believing vs. Believing is Hearing: Blind vs. Sighted Listening Tests, and Other Interesting Things. J. Audio Engineering Soc., Conference Paper 3894. November 1994.

Oh no ... here we go ... the thread may soon be going back down the tubes ... together with Messrs. Toole, Floyd and Olive.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. You all are one mean bunch!...

I am sorry if it was I that offended you, Matt34, but I was somewhat irked by the elitist and dismissive tone you seemed to be taking with poster cnh.

I was having some sincere regrets about what might have been perceived as my harsh tone, especially when I noticed you seem to know both the revered cfrizz and Rt. Hon. Ron Temple (who are both far more "senior" to me here, since I am really mostly still but a lowly newbie) but then you went and ruined my contrite mood with this post:


No dancing here numb nuts...I guess I've now been properly introduced to the resident asshole. It's ok, every forum has one.
I do hope you were merely in jest, and attempting to stick with the oft humorous tone of the thread, but sadly, by now you are most probably on F1nut's bozo list, which is not a good place to be, and which, I hasten to add, I am not (or at the very least, was not, when I won his most excellent karma recently). Oh well. Perhaps my initial response was justified after all ... ?

P.S. this really IS the most AMAZING thread, and I thought I was joking when I suggested it was headed for big one triple o!

[Keiko]

"bathtub bubble biters" tag. WTF? :D LMAO!

[Matt34]

I am sorry if it was I that offended you, Matt34, but I was somewhat irked by the elitist and dismissive tone you seemed to be taking with poster cnh.

I was having some sincere regrets about what might have been perceived as my harsh tone, especially when I noticed you seem to know both the revered cfrizz and Rt. Hon. Ron Temple (who are both far more "senior" to me here, since I am really mostly still but a lowly newbie) but then you went and ruined my contrite mood with this post:


I do hope you were merely in jest, and attempting to stick with the oft humorous tone of the thread, but sadly, by now you are most probably on F1nut's bozo list, which is not a good place to be, and which, I hasten to add, I am not (or at the very least, was not, when I won his most excellent karma recently). Oh well. Perhaps my initial response was justified after all ... ?

P.S. this really IS the most AMAZING thread, and I thought I was joking when I suggested it was headed for big one triple o!

My mistake was interjecting another point of view which appears is not acceptable here. It was not my intention to come across as "elitist or dismissive", it's hard to potray tone with written text. Howeve, I now realize that it's not welcome and I'm gladly going to move on and away.

My response to F1nut stands and I hope my request to the admins to remove my account is followed through.

[zombie boy 2000]

I have oft wondered which would prove victorious in a battle to the death - the valiant sea otter or the kingly lemur.

[Kex]

My mistake was interjecting another point of view which appears is not acceptable here. ...Quite the contrary, and you would not be suggesting such a thing if you read a few other threads more carefully. It is not what you did, IMO, but how you did it (elitist and dismissive). Your own point of view was not rejected AFIK as "obivious rubbish from somebody that clearly knows nothing and only owns cheap gear" in the way you seemed to be doing with cnh.

... My response to F1nut stands and I hope my request to the admins to remove my account is followed through.Oh well. Neither decision seems warranted IMO, but if that is your reaction to a little chiding, which you may have brought upon yourself, and despite other respected Club Members suggesting you hang around a while, then perhaps it is for the best after all.

And now that I have acquired a veneer of culture:

Mas leña al fuego!!!! It means "more wood for the fire", BTW. A "bump", if you will! And on we go to One Triple O :D!

[F1nut]

My mistake was interjecting another point of view which appears is not acceptable here. It was not my intention to come across as "elitist or dismissive", it's hard to potray tone with written text. Howeve, I now realize that it's not welcome and I'm gladly going to move on and away.

My response to F1nut stands and I hope my request to the admins to remove my account is followed through.

Allow me to translate.....

He means his pants fell down while dancing and he is too embarrassed to continue posting here.

Tip: No need to ask for your account to be removed. Simply stop posting.

[Matt34]

Quite the contrary, and you would not be suggesting such a thing if you read a few other threads more carefully. It is not what you did, IMO, but how you did it (elitist and dismissive). Your own point of view was not rejected AFIK as "obivious rubbish from somebody that clearly knows nothing and only owns cheap gear" in the way you seemed to be doing with cnh.
Oh well. Neither decision seems warranted IMO, but if that is your reaction to a little chiding, which you may have brought upon yourself, and despite other respected Club Members suggesting you hang around a while, then perhaps it is for the best after all.

And now that I have acquired a veneer of culture:

Mas leña al fuego!!!! It means "more wood for the fire", BTW. A "bump", if you will! And on we go to One Triple O :D!


It was not my intention to come across as "elitist or dismissive", it's hard to portray tone with written text.


It's funny though, that a pair of Polk speakers my uncle had a long time ago is what first got me interested in this audio world.

[Matt34]

Allow me to translate.....

He means his pants fell down while dancing and he is too embarrassed to continue posting here.

Tip: No need to ask for your account to be removed. Simply stop posting.


You're persistent aren't you?

[Kex]

It's funny though, that a pair of Polk speakers my uncle had a long time ago is what first got me interested in this audio world.If you have a genuine interest in hanging around and/or Polk speakers, then you can still redeem yourself if you try hard enough IMO, but you don't seem to be trying very hard thus far ...

[Ricardo]

You're persistent aren't you?



Weren't you leaving? I would say you are more annoying....I mean, persistent.

[ND13]

The majority of folk's who are new to a board try to ease their way into that particular forum's culture before spewing off at the keyboard. Here if one does, one WILL get hazed, but if one has thick skin and can show that they can contribute without pitching a hissy fit, they eventually find this place to be the best board around. Though there are close to 62k "members", it's a community of a few hundred.

Jesse can be one of THE most helpful and friendly people in CP, but he will put one through he gauntlet to prove one's worth when he feels the need or just get's that gut feeling that a troll has arrived. I for one am grateful that he does, because I'm not that patient and would get banned.

[NJPOLKER]

ND I could not say it better myself as a matter of fact Jesse couldn't, thanks keep up the good work!!

[timlitton]

...if one does, one WILL get hazed, but if one has thick skin and can show that they can contribute without pitching a hissy fit, they eventually find this place to be the best board around.

Too true. I caught some crap for a little post called "Fancy Pants Forums" although I seemed to redeem myself after a couple of weeks and this ad :

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l112/timlitton/EMOTIVA.jpg

If you take some time to try get a feel for this place, you'll find it's pretty cool with some very interesting members and views. Hell, I'm still a newb but I feel a little more at home every day.

[ND13]

We take NO SHIT and GIVE NO QUARTER!!!!!

Be a man Matt, stick around and you'll find the TRUTH>

[cnh]

Tim and ND13 are right,

All you have to remember is to cut the old-timers some slack...ha, ha...hey it's all cool. And it's only audio...that's why there is so much PASSION here!

cnh

[hearingimpared]

I hope my request to the admins to remove my account is followed through.

Bravo, hear, hear, Ole'.

[mrbigbluelight]

I have oft wondered which would prove victorious in a battle to the death - the valiant sea otter or the kingly lemur.


You know who would best those valiant contenders ? The adult star-nosed mole, that's who !!


38829


This tough little buggar is better known on the streets as the Brittany Spears mole.




And may this thread live on! LOL. What fun.

By the way, my favorite cheesecake is Ricotta, and nobody makes it like an Italian restaurant somewhere in VA. I'll have to ask Mark the name of it.


If by "cheesecake" you mean "lasagna", I'll have to agree with you, Ms. Cfrizz.

:)




Sorry Blue, didn't realize you had something ready to go :p

No problem; as taught in the "For Sale" thread, "You snooze, you lose !". :)




You're persistent aren't you?

Yes, F1 could be considered persistent.
They said the same thing, BTW, about William Tecumseh Sherman on his meander to the sea. :)
That's one of the things that got him elected President of Club Polk, though.

...that and the tribe of Jesse Groupies exerting their charms and undue influence on impressionable young voters. ;)

[mrbigbluelight]

BTW: if Demiurge would come out of hiding/seclusion, he could do some of his magic on my cat-bee.


38830



It needs some work.

[moe]

LOL,I saw the "Emotiva" AD,did I see correctly that the guy that did it owns a Rotel 1075?cause that would be ironic.I've also been to Fort Wayne,the cake sucked so bad you'd think it was pie,imo.

[daboyz]

I would say that this is long past the Emotiva story,we're up to novel by now.......

[Kex]

I would say that this is long past the Emotiva story,we're up to novel by now.......It's a trilogy, like the Lord of the Rings. After that, all the self-appointed experts will add extra reference material of the before and after periods, including detailed illustrations of everyone and everything, real or imagined ... and then there'll be the movie, of course ...

[heiney9]

LOL,I saw the "Emotiva" AD,did I see correctly that the guy that did it owns a Rotel 1075?cause that would be ironic.I've also been to Fort Wayne,the cake sucked so bad you'd think it was pie,imo.

Why is that ironic?

[obieone]

delete

[heiney9]

BTW: if Demiurge would come out of hiding/seclusion, he could do some of his magic on my cat-bee.


38830



It needs some work.

Demi is in witness protection.

[vmaxer]

Okay, to continue from eariler...I have now installed the XPA-3 and listened to some music only, no movies yet. Being new at using an amp, (only used receivers in the past) can someone tell me what to look for exactly?? I put in a 2 channel sacd and started it. I at first thought I had done something wrong since I have my system set up to not use a sub with 2 channel - the bass was much more than I normally had?? I got up and checked my subs....none were playing. So I certainly do have more bass coming out of the rt55i's than I thought was pssible?? I have listed most of my equip in my signature so you can see, I really don't have high end stuff..From what little I have got to play with my system since I got the amp it would seem like a big step up for me!! Hopefully I will get to work with it some more this week-end and watch a movie also.

Please, if there are things I should check for, let me know. I am new at this and have 30 days to change my mind and send it back...

[mdaudioguy]

Okay, to continue from eariler...I have now installed the XPA-3 and listened to some music only, no movies yet. Being new at using an amp, (only used receivers in the past) can someone tell me what to look for exactly?? I put in a 2 channel sacd and started it. I at first thought I had done something wrong since I have my system set up to not use a sub with 2 channel - the bass was much more than I normally had?? I got up and checked my subs....none were playing. So I certainly do have more bass coming out of the rt55i's than I thought was pssible?? I have listed most of my equip in my signature so you can see, I really don't have high end stuff..From what little I have got to play with my system since I got the amp it would seem like a big step up for me!! Hopefully I will get to work with it some more this week-end and watch a movie also.

Please, if there are things I should check for, let me know. I am new at this and have 30 days to change my mind and send it back...

Do you actually think you're going to get help at this point in this thread?!?! Good luck!:)
I've actually been meaning to read through this whole thing myself, although I can't figure out why...:confused:
For the record, I've read parts of pages 1, 2, 17, 18, 19, 23, 24, and 25. I think that tonight it would be a good idea to grab a six-pack and begin working my way through here from the beginning, so that I can completely and thoroughly understand the true meaning. Guy's please don't keep making this thread longer, as I'm already so far behind, I'm not sure I'll ever catch up, and then, what would I do? Where would I be?:(

P.S. This also represents my humble contribution toward the march to the big one-triple-oh!

[hearingimpared]

Bump to make this longer.

[vmaxer]

Okay...I am confused...fairly easy to do it would seem!! If you start a new thread on an existing topic you get chastised...so I try to do the right thing and it's wrong...Oh well,,,,onward toward the big 4 digit thread...just maybe I will get some advise or slammed - time will tell. If we limit our posts to 4 words we will get ther quicker??:cool:

[vmaxer]

By the way, I had beer, tequlia, and rum to get through the entire post.....but I don't remember all of the drive

:confused:

[metal83]

Emotiva XPA-3 for sale, $1Millon Firm, this is a great deal folks. :D

[hearingimpared]

I would start a new thread to get your questions answered.

[metal83]

Emotiva XPA-3 for sale, $1Millon Firm, this is a great deal folks. :D

Act now, and i'll give you a 50% discount.
$500,000....How can you go wrong!!! ;)

[vmaxer]

Now you sound like my ex....telling me how much she saved by purchasing a bunch of ,,,well...... "stuff"...I advised her to keep buying until she had saved a million and we could retire - didn't work out??

[xcapri79]

Act now, and i'll give you a 50% discount.
$500,000....How can you go wrong!!! ;)

Can't let this informative thread stay idle. I'm just connecting my XPA-3 and LPA-1 now. My Pioneer 1018 should be happier now and I can't wait to hear the LSi's sing.

[MikeC78]

H9,

Where the heck is the review???? Please start a new EMU thread, pretty please?:)

[metal83]

Can't let this informative thread stay idle. I'm just connecting my XPA-3 and LPA-1 now. My Pioneer 1018 should be happier now and I can't wait to hear the LSi's sing.

Haha...I don't think this thread has had anything informative in it..:p

[GV#27]

Please, if there are things I should check for, let me know. I am new at this and have 30 days to change my mind and send it back...
If it is sounding good to you and functioning properly then your fine.Hopefully it will stay operational well beyond your 30day grace period.It appears eMo have some QC/reliability issues at this point.

[xcapri79]

Haha...I don't think this thread has had anything informative in it..:p

Well I'm honored to have Cfrizz compliment my post #594.