Emotiva Story.

[Ricardo]

Seems that they need a new QC manager??

"Well I did buy an Emotiva RSP-2 pre-amp. Yes I have in fact replaced the RSP-2 three times, and am awaiting my fourth unit!

The first one had a noisy phono stage, and very sticky volume control when operated by remote.

The second had half the logo come of when I peeled off the protective shipping strip.

The third one had an even worse volume control than the first, which was really immaterial anyway, because the unit went completely nuts with the front panel lights flashing through all the dimmer values when any input was switched on the front panel. The next morning I was greeted to alien gibberish on the front display. The only way to shut it down was using the back panel switch.

I'm now patiently waiting for the fourth unit to come. Lonnie claimed that the third unit was checked out completely before being shipped. I'm sure something just failed when I got it. It can happen.

Now I spoke with Dan the owner, and he promised me the next one will be perfect, as it will be going through a 2 day burn in.

If this unit proves to be bad, guess the Parasound P3 is my next step. I have already checked it out. Seems like a nice unit, but I will loose one input, and I prefer full height components. Well see what happens.
I will admit the RSP-2 did sound a bit better than my IC-150., but for now my 37 year old crown is back in the saddle again."

Taken from here:

http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?aamps&1230394534&read&keyw&zzemotiva

[heiney9]

Ya don't say

[brettw22]

They have a new pre/pro that is going to be a smaller unit which i'm not so much a fan of. I realize it's just an aesthetic, but as long as it functions properly, and has a warranty to match, then I'm usually good with that.

[bigred7078]

that sucks man.

[brettw22]

Every manufacturer is going to have problems at some point........bang for the buck is still pretty high with these guys......

[heiney9]

Build quality appears to be the achillies heel for these "bang for the buck" products. Hopefully it's only sporadic and I'm not sure I'd feel 100% comfortable buying an EMO.

But I agree, espcially today, with mass produced stuff every company's quality control isn't what it used to be. Just look at the all the issues with HK products lately.

[F1nut]

Apparently, they love Emo at Audioholics. Taken from a response on Audiogon,

"Go to audioholics and see how long you like it there, they love anything as long as it only cost's less then $500 and almost have a irrational distain for anything that many consider hi-end, "all amps sound the same", "no wire sounds different", "recievers are all you need" and so on. They love a wolfpack pile on of many things we respect here so its a very different world."

[F1nut]

Another comment,

"Not so sure about that Emotiva post I made earlier,,,,the amps have been brought up in reviews for having some less then pleasing performance."

[F1nut]

And another,

"If you'd like to go brand new, check out the upcoming Emotiva products - world-class components with most every bell and whistle. And their prices are VERY competitive. I'm grabbing a UMC-1 when they are released this Fall..."

World-class???

[reeltrouble1]

BAT products are impeccable.

They can make Emo whine like a cold baby left alone on the front porch.

They will chew up an Emo like a bulldog on a pork chop.

Go Large or Just Go Home.

RT1 note--No Emo owners were harmed by the bulldog, but a few were in fact left out in the cold, on the porch, howling like a bulldog.

[megasat16]

Whatever EMO is Selling and However their products are priced LOW or Manufactured Poorly, I couldn't Care!

But the damm Word "REFERENCE" comes with every of their AD makes me sicken. Damm right for using the word "World Class" Shiiiiiiiitttttttttttttt.

I don't hate that company but I dislike their over statements about their products. It's MISLEADING.

[comfortablycurt]

It's the stuff like this that keeps making me go back and forth on Emotiva. I keep thinking that Emo is what I want to go with for amps in my HT setup...but then I hear these stories and it makes me think otherwise.

I should just go with something else...I don't want to get 4 defective units before I actually get one that works...

[heiney9]

But to those that don't know World Class if it bit them on the ass; think they are gettting a World Class sounding product. It's a shame, but just like anything else.................

Those that don't know...don't know that they don't know.

They will either reach the fork in the road and choose the proper path or wallow in mediocraty (sp).

[comfortablycurt]

I think my initial wow factor with Emo is starting to go away...The fancy blue LED's are starting to impress me less and less as time goes on...

To all the people that are bashing on Emo-Not to offend anyone or anything, but purely out of curiosity, have you guys ever heard any Emo amps before? I haven't...but are your opinions based on comparisons, or solely on theory?

I've been considering Emo pretty strongly for my HT setup...but if all of the audio vet's are really that hardcore against Emo...I think I'm gonna look into something else.

[megasat16]

Dear Curt,

I don't BASH EMO. Never been and never will. In fact, I don't Bash any manufacturer as I believe they would try their best to survive in the game and it's fair to do so.

But in my own opinion, EMO has gone a little bit out of line with their AD giving their low pricing structure.

May be their products are good, I don't know. But using the word is "Reference" for $600 piece of equipment seems an insult to other manufacturer or the enthusiasts who know what a good stuff is. It's because what is cost to manufacture a good piece of reference equipment can't simply be that cheap. I am sorry if some others disagree but it's my experience with this hobby. As far as the money is concerned, I am a bargain hunter and I would have put my money already if I believe EMO stuff is of Reference quality.

Brands like Accuphase and Mark Levinson don't seem to make such claims given their world class High Price.

[heiney9]

To all the people that are bashing on Emo-Not to offend anyone or anything, but purely out of curiosity, have you guys ever heard any Emo amps before? I haven't...but are your opinions based on comparisons, or solely on theory?

Let's call it educated experience. I have never driven a Chevy Cavalier; but as far as what an auto is expected to do it does do. But I can tell you that it's not in the same league as a BMW. The BMW serves the same utilitarian purpose of safely getting passengers from A to B to C, but you'd never confuse it with a Chevy. By the same example a BMW is not a Ferrari, etc, etc....

Same with audio............Emo, while I'm sure to a vast majority of people sounds pretty good............there is much better to be had and in some cases for not a whole lot more.

My biggest beef with EMO lovers is their attitude that these are "World Class" products that compete with pricer brands and other designs which have proven over and over to be better. I get the whole "bang for the buck" thing but EMO's advertising and fan boi's need to stop saying these are the greatest..............because they're not.

Just like my Adcom campaign over the years.......they are what they are in compariosn to like priced and marketed gear. I don't think I've said Adcom was World Class or that it was the "bomb" to borrow a hip term.

Emo is a budget brand in both cost, performance and build quality and in some cases it might be better than similar competition.......nothing more....nothing less.

World Class...................hardly :rolleyes:

[Ricardo]

I'm not bashing EMOTIVA either. Just posted as a FYI. I think they have pretty cool looking gear, and they must be doing something right to be able to offer them at those prices. Also they had to cut on something, and it looks they chose quality control. Not a good move IMO.

As for the sound, I have not heard them, so I can't say anything on that side. But (again IMO), to be able to sell them at those prices, I am pretty sure they are also cutting on components. They can't use high grade resistors, capacitors, transformers, etc, etc and still sell at those prices. The resistors and capacitors I used to upgrade the crossovers of one pair of speakers cost more than their smaller stereo amp. So unless you believe in miracles, I would have to say that it is hard to believe that their amps will sound as good as some other good quality amps (they used the word reference, not me), and do it reliably for a long time.

[metal83]

I think my initial wow factor with Emo is starting to go away...The fancy blue LED's are starting to impress me less and less as time goes on...

To all the people that are bashing on Emo-Not to offend anyone or anything, but purely out of curiosity, have you guys ever heard any Emo amps before? I haven't...but are your opinions based on comparisons, or solely on theory?

I've been considering Emo pretty strongly for my HT setup...but if all of the audio vet's are really that hardcore against Emo...I think I'm gonna look into something else.

Why don't you just go with what you want and not worry about what other people say. Other peoples personal opinions should not be the final factor in what you do. There are always going to be people that like or dislike a product, no matter who makes it, or how much it costs. And you'll never really know unless you try something out for yourself right?

I mean yeah i've asked for advice on many things here at club polk, including speakers, cables, and even amps. And i always appreciate the advice and suggestions given (for the most part). But in the end, i always choose what i want to try out, no matter what the recommendations are. Suggestions help a lot, but definitely shouldn't be the deciding factor in your own personal decision.



Damn audio snobs (kidding)...lol :p:D

[megasat16]

Again, not Bashing EMO.

Two words to follow "Reference" for EMO is "MY SS".

Or Behind an "S" after "World Class"

It's simply over stating IMHO. Otherwise, I have nothing to say about their quality, products, price, etc. It's totally up to a buyer to try and take advantage of 30 days trial they offer.

[F1nut]

Curt, I'm basing my opinion on history. Over the years there have been plenty of "bang for the buck" audio products come out with lots of hype from folks that believe one can make a silk purse from a sow's ear. That's not to say that they are not ok products, but they are not the second coming of JC as some make them out to be and certainly never live up to the hype.

Anyone remember the Toshiba DVD/CD players or the DK Design integrated amps?

[LessisNevermore]

So let me get this straight....

The word "reference", and "world-class" is an offensive term when an upstart company uses it. Why is that offensive, and/or misleading, anymore than when a more "reputable" company uses it?

What is "World-Class", and "Reference"? They are f**king marketing terms, nothing more, nothing less. I don't take advertising for anything more than face value. MIT claims on their website "MIT Cable's professional high end Audio Cables, Speaker Cables, Video Cables, Interfaces, Interconnects, HDMI Cables, and Power filters deliver the highest degree of signal integrity!"

Integrity means in-tact, no? Well what's in the little boxes then? It's altering the signal in some way, otherwise no one would hear them as anything different than any other expensive cable. Many people hear a difference and enjoy them very much. So in this case, the claim of signal integrity is another bullshit marketing term. Does it make them bad? IMO, no because they all do it.

Notice I didn't rip on MIT's product? I just pointed out their marketing tool, which happens to be a buzz word with audiophiles.(and a false claim)

If anyone takes advertisements or internet discussion with anything more than a grain of salt, they shouldn't be at all surprised if they aren't happy with their purchase.

I have an XPA 5. Do I think it's reference quality, or world-class? Reference would imply somewhere out there is one, and only one system the word applies to, -world class, again, just like everything else in this hobby is subjective. What is the agreed upon standard to compare to?

I like my amp, and the sound still gives me a world class chubby. I've heard vintage tube systems that are worth 10 times or more, and I prefer mine.

Now go play some music.:D

[Midnite Mick]

I haven't commented on the whole emo situation yet as I am one to hear gear before I comment. Having said that I agree with many in that I too find over-marketing to be insulting. They may be great in what they do but they definitely over use the term reference. However, the money back guarantee does say something....assuming there isn't any stupid re-stocking fee.

I think you also have to keep in mind that if these products were marketed through traditional means that 600 dollar piece would carry a MSRP of around 2K....funny thing is if this was the case they would probably get more respect.

I definitely would love to get my ears on them. I do think they look cool.

Anyway, I hope the 4th time is the charm for you Ricardo.

Good luck,
Mike

[MikeC78]

Hypothetically... If an EMO costed 3-4X it's asking price and sounded good to your ears, would it be considered "world class" then?

[Lowell_M]

I my world "world-class" referrs to a companies product consistency and quality control and design and a companies ability to compete among the best companies in the world in these areas. When you buy a product from a company that is a world class producer of a product you know with certainty that if Joe-down-the-street bought the same model that you would have the same product performance characteristics.


A product that has to be sent back 4 times for various quality issues is not world class and does not compete with the big dogs. It's simply an entry level piece that performs decently. Any "value" that a person saw in the performance vs. price of the product is now wasted in time and effort to get the product right.

That being said... I'm a Product development and marketing manager.... so I say all kinds of things that make my products sound good. That's what this game is all about. What I do dissagree with is EMO's pricing if the performance of their product is as good as everybody says it is. I'd fire the product manager in charge of their pricing for not making the company more money.

[megasat16]

[QUOTE From LessisNevermore] Replies are followed by the word "Answer" and in Bold and Italics.

[So let me get this straight....

The word "reference", and "world-class" is an offensive term when an upstart company uses it. Why is that offensive, and/or misleading, anymore than when a more "reputable" company uses it?]

Answer - Nothing wrong the start up use "Reference". But not on all of their Effinn Products and it's wrong. You can have a top notch one to claim for it. But claiming for every darn product is MISLEADING.

[What is "World-Class", and "Reference"? They are f**king marketing terms, nothing more, nothing less. I don't take advertising for anything more than face value. MIT claims on their website "MIT Cable's professional high end Audio Cables, Speaker Cables, Video Cables, Interfaces, Interconnects, HDMI Cables, and Power filters deliver the highest degree of signal integrity!" ]

Answer - Even when a very high class and reputable manufacturer use such term, it's very subjective and questionable. So, most manufacturer who are well known use that term less than your startup "EMO". If you read it what MIT said, It said Highest Degree of Signal Integrity which is appropriate since it's not reference or world class. The word seems not quite the same meaning, does it?

all do it.]

Answer - Both yes and No, all boxes alters signal one way or the other. Some does it less alteration so it's near Reference. Some does it more and claim it Reference.

[Notice I didn't rip on MIT's product? I just pointed out their marketing tool, which happens to be a buzz word with audiophiles.(and a false claim)]

Answer - Most Manufactures makes claim that is a little Over Stated. But in EMO case, they did more and then some.



[I]Answer - Well, if anyone is happy with their purchase, all companies would be out of business with selling one model and no one will ever buy another or seemingly better product.



[I]Answer - Glad you like your EMO. I said I have no bashing against it. I don't hate their product and I don't know their quality or how it sounds like. But I dislike their AD and it's IMO as I said. If there is a truly reference, it'd be hard press if it ever remains the same to what? Even live musicians does not perform the same everytime they perform and what recoded source is reference to what performance they make?




[I]Answer - What you like with your own Ears is what a world class to you but may not be for me or others. Making it funs and enjoyable is all that matters. But making more false claims in the AD to attract uneducated shopper is another matter and I consider it Misleading.


[Now go play some music.:D]


Answer - Gladly Sir!

PS. Edited To Make This Post More Readable!

[megasat16]

Hypothetically... If an EMO costed 3-4X it's asking price and sounded good to your ears, would it be considered "world class" then?

This is a good question. But the simple and straight answer is NO. Even the highest quality manufacturer using it would be wrong. If you look at the Accuphase or ML or Classe site, you'll see they use these words less than EMO for 10 x the price of their products and their usage is still very objectionable.

[thsmith]

I do not have a Emo or plan to get one as I love my Craver TFM-45.

But I do have to ask, what was the point of this post. The OP to my knowledge is not the one having the problem but posting someones else's problem.

I guess you could find bad press about anything if you look hard enough.

Just asking to better understand human nature:rolleyes:

[heiney9]

Ricardo is a trouble maker :D:);)

[NotaSuv]

Hypothetically... If an EMO costed 3-4X it's asking price and sounded good to your ears, would it be considered "world class" then?

LOL

maybe there needs to be a price point before the word "world class" can be used ;)

[Ricardo]

Anyway, I hope the 4th time is the charm for you Ricardo.

Good luck,
Mike

Mike, not mine; just a post I found informative given all the hype with Emotiva.


But I do have to ask, what was the point of this post. The OP to my knowledge is not the one having the problem but posting someones else's problem.


Right; not my problem, and the point of the thread is just to share, because I can, because I wanted to. That's all.

[heiney9]

LOL

maybe there needs to be a price point before the word "world class" can be used ;)

Price point has nothing to do with it. It has to be "World Class" to be called world class----refer to A_mattison's post about marketing and positioning, etc. To me it has to sound "World Class" and I beleive I've only come across a few components in my journey that sound "World Class".

YMMV as well as your experience

H9

[MikeC78]

I my world "world-class" referrs to a companies product consistency and quality control and design and a companies ability to compete among the best companies in the world in these areas. When you buy a product from a company that is a world class producer of a product you know with certainty that if Joe-down-the-street bought the same model that you would have the same product performance characteristics.


A product that has to be sent back 4 times for various quality issues is not world class and does not compete with the big dogs. It's simply an entry level piece that performs decently. Any "value" that a person saw in the performance vs. price of the product is now wasted in time and effort to get the product right.

That being said... I'm a Product development and marketing manager.... so I say all kinds of things that make my products sound good. That's what this game is all about. What I do dissagree with is EMO's pricing if the performance of their product is as good as everybody says it is. I'd fire the product manager in charge of their pricing for not making the company more money.

Good insight and I agree...

However, I'm sure "world class" products even have their own flaws and slip through QC no matter how great it supposively is. Really, electronics can fail at any time. Right?

One big reason you don't hear to much about them is they don't sell as much "world class":p products as Emotiva because it caters to such a large crowd.

Also, Emotiva is internet direct only, right? So, they cut out the middle man and having to do great advertising measure to keep the costs down. Just throwing this out there, these are probably the main reasons as to why I believe their prices are so good for what they really are.

BTW, I could really give two shits about EMO. I don't have any need to protect my purchase since I don't own one. I'm just throwing out my 2 cents, maybe someone can explain better than me?

[shack]

Right; not my problem, and the point of the thread is just to share, because I can, because I wanted to. That's all.


With that kind of attitude I think you need to sell all your gear, give the money to homeless investment bankers and take a charity sabbatical to Las Vegas....and stay there until you repent of your snobbish, elitist, pseudo-audiophile ways.

[heiney9]

I'm outta this one......too subjective and only time will tell.

The only analogy I'll part with is a Porsche owner would probably never consider a Chevy. Read into to that whatever your personal bias allows for.

Emo provides a product for a certain niche.......I am not part of that niche so no matter how fancy the words are, how much bling they bring, or how many tricks it can perform............it's not my bag. :)

H9

[megasat16]

LOL

maybe there needs to be a price point before the word "world class" can be used ;)

I think it's not about using the word. It's about overly using the word. :)

It has nothing to do with the price of a product. But if you put that word on each and every page of the product you sell, it's a dead giveaway that the company is trying to leeway some of the uneducated customer to it's way. Again, it's nothing wrong for trying to survive in the game but I was saying it's an insult to some. :) That's the only thing I care to say for the EMO story.

Undoubtedly, there are lot of happy EMO customers and they are all happy with their purchases. After all, what rocks your world is what could probably be called a Reference.

[MikeC78]

I'm outta this one......too subjective and only time will tell.

The only analogy I'll part with is a Porsche owner would probably never consider a Chevy. Read into to that whatever your personal bias allows for.

Emo provides a product for a certain niche.......I am not part of that niche so no matter how fancy the words are, how much bling they bring, or how many tricks it can perform............it's not my bag. :)

H9

That's cool... I just think car analogies are horrible when it comes to comparing electronics.;) Then again, opinions are like a**holes...

[comfortablycurt]

Wow...I wasn't expecting that many answers to my question...lol Thanks guys...that clears up a lot of the things I've been wondering.

I've basically been in agreement with most of those statements this whole time too. It seems like they offer way to much for way to low of a price, to really make it a quality product. I'm sure they have to cut a lot of corners to meet that price point too. I'm sure it is true that they have a lot of bang for the buck, and for someone that's looking to get into amps, at a low price it probably is great.

Myself though...I don't think I'm really looking for the best bang for the buck, but rather the best performance without throwing myself in the poor house...lol I don't have any problems buying used equipment, and from what I've seen, I could get something used that would be much nicer. I've looked into some of the Adcoms and Rotels that are all over the used market, and they seem to offer a lot more for the money. Being from a much more reputed company, with a more established name, and a reputation of using much higher quality parts seems like the better plan.

I definitely see your points about their marketing ploys. When every piece of equipment they sell is "reference quality" something obviously is being over stated. Most companies have their reference lines, which are considered their best offering, not every piece they make is "reference". With all the hype Emo's been getting lately...a lot of people are probably being led into believing that it is a World Class item...when I know damn well without ever hearing one, that it isn't the case. None of the other companies I've looked into throw around the terms "reference" or "world class" anywhere near as much as Emo does.

Like I said...I'm sure they do offer a lot of bang for the buck, and for someone that wants to buy new, they probably are a very good choice. I won't completely rule Emo out yet...but I think the odds are I'll end up going with something else.

Thanks again for all the responses.

[brettw22]

EMO is not a company that only produces this particular line and that's it. They are a manufacturer for (if I remember correctly) 5 or 6 different companies. This is basically just their in-house brand that allows them to sell at lower prices with minimal costs (read advertising).

As a manufacturer, they can get parts for a hell of a lot less than you ever could Ricardo, so it's not unreasonable to believe that they put good stuff in there. If they were selling crap gear and knew it, they sure as hell wouldn't be offering a 5 year warranty for it........not a lot major companies even do that.....

[heiney9]

As a manufacturer, they can get parts for a hell of a lot less than you ever could Ricardo, so it's not unreasonable to believe that they put good stuff in there. If they were selling crap gear and knew it, they sure as hell wouldn't be offering a 5 year warranty for it........not a lot major companies even do that.....

Well, I have my wooden spoon out so might as well this give this a good stir.........


One word BOSE and I say that as to the marketing, not nec the performance of the product.

P.s So much for my final word, eh :o.

P.s.s. Lessisnevermore..........you need to make the next RAS meeting and bring your EMO.........perhaps it could change a perception

[Ricardo]

With that kind of attitude I think you need to sell all your gear, give the money to homeless investment bankers and take a charity sabbatical to Las Vegas....and stay there until you repent of your snobbish, elitist, pseudo-audiophile ways.

Good idea; I might join Igo while I'm there.

[LessisNevermore]

Answer - What you like with your own Ears is what a world class to you but may not be for me or others. Making it funs and enjoyable is all that matters. But making more false claims in the AD to attract uneducated shopper is another matter and I consider it Misleading.

That was exactly the point I was trying to make. I disagree about the uneducated shopper part. 99% of those people don't research to the point of hearing about ID brands. If it isn't carried at Best Buy or Walmart, it doesn't exist.

I don't know why Emo advertises all their products as reference quality. You can go to their forums and ask the owner directly. If you approach it tactfully, and respectfully, I'm pretty sure Dan or Lonnie would respond. Obviously, if you approach it with "Who the F*&^ do you think you are?!?", you'd better be wearing a flame suit.....:D

[brettw22]

i would trust a company that charges middle of the line pricing with a good warranty (EMO) before I'd overspend for a minimal warranty (BOSE)..........

I dont' have their stuff, but I'm at least interested in what it might sound like. While the blue LED's are fun, I'd have them all turned off so they didn't distract, but that's just me.

[megasat16]

I don't know why Emo advertises all their products as reference quality. You can go to their forums and ask the owner directly. If you approach it tactfully, and respectfully, I'm pretty sure Dan or Lonnie would respond. Obviously, if you approach it with "Who the F*&^ do you think you are?!?", you'd better be wearing a flame suit.....:D

I don't give a crap about EMO stuff to be frank and no interest in even taking a free sweepstake or whatever. Let alone contacting them and asking them why. No Interest at all. It's their business how they market their stuff and I mind my own. I was just saying the truth and that's there to it. But guess what? That truth from weeks ago has been changed and the word "Reference" seems to have taken out from their web pages when I visited just now. That word only appears on the XPA-1 now. :rolleyes:

I don't see any disrespect to EMO or their consumer in my previous posts and I don't really care what they Fuk they think about me. In fact, I always said "EMO seems to be reasonable but it's ultimately the buyer decision" Anyhow, No EMO gears rockin my world. :cool: Besides XPA-1, I doubt any EMO gear could rockin my world, really.

[LessisNevermore]

P.s.s. Lessisnevermore..........you need to make the next RAS meeting and bring your EMO.........perhaps it could change a perception

I'm in town until the end of March, so just say the word my friend.
I'll bring the Guinness.:cool:

curt, I expect you in attendance also....:D

[reeltrouble1]

Good idea; I might join Igo while I'm there.


good luck, he was spotted laying naked in the desert stuck fast to a prickly pear catus which looked to be shoved up the one spot the sun nevers shines on.

Not that I would know anything about it....;)

This little Emo discussion is beyond me. I get a headache reading those long posts and my AD kicks in. If you love your Emo then let it bivouac in your world, they seem to offer current with compromise to build. mid-line but sure better than no-line.

RT1

[shack]

I really don't understand what all the fuss is about EMO...

I mean really...how good can a 6 foot shaggy bird sound in one's rig anyway?

http://www.sybilsden.com/images/imgemu/emu4.jpg

[comfortablycurt]

Well, I have my wooden spoon out so might as well this give this a good stir.........


One word BOSE and I say that as to the marketing, not nec the performance of the product.

P.s So much for my final word, eh :o.

P.s.s. Lessisnevermore..........you need to make the next RAS meeting and bring your EMO.........perhaps it could change a perception

Bose was one of the first things that popped into my mind when I started reading some the responses. Not to say they're of complete crap quality like Bose...but they're quite similar in the over-advertising marketing hype crap.

While it is still good to see an American based company actually succeeding right now, especially with our current economy. They have to be cutting corners in certain areas, and really relying on all this market hype.


I'm in town until the end of March, so just say the word my friend.
I'll bring the Guinness.:cool:

curt, I expect you in attendance also....:D

Oh, I'll be there.;) I'm looking forward to my first RAS meeting very much. I can't wait to go and check out some equipment that will blow my equipment out of the water.

I really don't understand what all the fuss is about EMO...

I mean really...how good can a 6 foot shaggy bird sound in one's rig anyway?

http://www.sybilsden.com/images/imgemu/emu4.jpg

You'd be surprised...I have one of them running on a treadmill, providing all of the power to my system. Never in my life have I heard such clean power...:p:eek:

[LessisNevermore]

You'd be surprised...I have one of them running on a treadmill, providing all of the power to my system. Never in my life have I heard such clean power...:p:eek:

Surely you've had to cut some corners, it can't be that clean....:p:D
Unless you've used a Reference Emu.

[comfortablycurt]

Surely you've had to cut some corners, it can't be that clean....:p:D
Unless you've used a Reference Emu.

Of course, it's a World Class, Reference grade Emu. I have a few extras World Class Reference Grade Emu's laying around too, if you're interested in buying one.;) You will never hear power as clean, as when you have an Emu running on a treadmill. That's a proven fact.:p

[Lowell_M]

I'll bring the Guinness.:cool:



Now that's what I'm talkin about... We could have a taste off between Guinness and my "World Class" "Reference" home brew.

[comfortablycurt]

Now that's what I'm talkin about... We could have a taste off between Guinness and my "World Class" "Reference" home brew.

Any takers on some Sierra Nevada? That's one of my new favorites...

[timlitton]

I've never heard Emotiva so I can't comment to its quality.

I don't blame them for trying to market their product the best way they can. Is it misleading? I'm not going to judge that. Does it work? Obviously since they've generated a buzz on multiple forums.

What do you expect them to do? Put out lukewarm ads like this one?

http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/10a7270e124fc46e88874db26f3a98306g.jpg

[devani]

I will be in Chicago next week for company training....I wish I could join you!!

[LessisNevermore]

I've never heard Emotiva so I can't comment to its quality.

I don't blame them for trying to market their product the best way they can. Is it misleading? I'm not going to judge that. Does it work? Obviously since they've generated a buzz on multiple forums.

What do you expect them to do? Put out lukewarm ads like this one?

Now that's reference quality satire.:D:D

Who's up for racing into a Bose store and punching the salesmen?

[heiney9]

timlitton.............that's some funny sh*t:D:D

[dkg999]

timlitton - you're going to fit in well here! That's some good stuff there!

[megasat16]

I've never heard Emotiva so I can't comment to its quality.

I don't blame them for trying to market their product the best way they can. Is it misleading? I'm not going to judge that. Does it work? Obviously since they've generated a buzz on multiple forums.

What do you expect them to do? Put out lukewarm ads like this one?

http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/10a7270e124fc46e88874db26f3a98306g.jpg

Dammmm....This is what I am talking about EMO Baby!

Tim - THIS IS AWESOME! I laugh out so loud I think my neighbor calls 911. :eek:

[reeltrouble1]

it certainly does warm the cockles of my crotch to see some new members who actually get what this place is about without the cheesy/whine of the whambulance ride.

I just gotta waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa on that one.

You Emo guys better get your armor on and protect your house or forever be left standing in the corner resting your neck playing with yourself.

RT1

[Ricardo]

timlitton, that right there deserves a standing ovation. Funny stuff!

[steveinaz]

I'm hearing alot of speculation, and very little personal experience. Maybe the jury should wait for some evidence?

[heiney9]

I'm hearing alot of speculation, and very little personal experience. Maybe the jury should wait for some evidence?

Rationality has no place in audio.......don't you know that Steve :p:D If it did we would all own affordable like sounding HTiB type systems

[Ricardo]

If it did we would all own affordable like sounding HTiB type systems

Or EMOTIVA; their gear looks pretty cool.

[comfortablycurt]

timlitton-That was brilliant...I busted out laughing when I saw that one...:p:p

[bigred7078]

I'm not bashing EMOTIVA either. Just posted as a FYI. I think they have pretty cool looking gear, and they must be doing something right to be able to offer them at those prices. Also they had to cut on something, and it looks they chose quality control. Not a good move IMO.

As for the sound, I have not heard them, so I can't say anything on that side. But (again IMO), to be able to sell them at those prices, I am pretty sure they are also cutting on components. They can't use high grade resistors, capacitors, transformers, etc, etc and still sell at those prices. The resistors and capacitors I used to upgrade the crossovers of one pair of speakers cost more than their smaller stereo amp. So unless you believe in miracles, I would have to say that it is hard to believe that their amps will sound as good as some other good quality amps (they used the word reference, not me), and do it reliably for a long time.

honestly man your one of very few people i have heard this happen too. I've seen people have horrid luck with some sunfire products. It unfortunatley happened to you, but it does not mean every product they carry has QC issues lol

[george daniel]

four units returned,, hang em' I say,, hang em'---timlitton---that was Gold,I tell ya',,,GOLD.:);)

[bigred7078]

This just cracks me up...Its basically the same group of 6 or so people that CONSTANTLY gang up and bash on Emotiva. You wait for one person to come out and say "omg i acutally have a problem with my emotiva gear!!!!" and you take that and run with it. What cracks me up even more is that group of 6 or so has never even heard ONE single piece of emotiva equipment, but yet continue to yack on it being junk. They use elitist excuses like "i dont even need to try it as i know its junk." I have never seen such dislike againt any kind product from a group that has never even tried a unit from this company. You claim that these products cannot be called "reference", oooooh please, stop using that as an excuse to attack them, its just silly :rolleyes:. Some people need to seriously grow up and get over themselves. Some of you find the need to bash specifically because emotiva has gotten alot of talk on this forum....that is the MOST pathetic excuse to hate on a company....

Most of you dont even have an proper knowledge on Emotiva. As one other member said, emotiva is part of a much bigger company owned by Dan L. They have made products for SEVERAL companies that is the SAME thing as what they put out under the emotiva name. But because your not paying for the name and overhead charges that so many companies add on, the price is really good. Do some of you even know the margins on some of the other products you buy??? Its laughable. Im not saying this is the same as a ML amp or Krell, but you get the point. ::Flame suit ooooon::;)

[comfortablycurt]

I completely understand your point bigred...but this isn't the first case of something like this I've ever heard of. I've heard of quite a few cases where people got defective units from Emotiva, and had to return their items.

Also...That didn't actually happen to Ricardo...that was something that happened to someone on another board. He was just reposting the info here.

[heiney9]

This just cracks me up...Its basically the same group of 6 or so people that CONSTANTLY gang up and bash on Emotiva. You wait for one person to come out and say "omg i acutally have a problem with my emotiva gear!!!!" and you take that and run with it. What cracks me up even more is that group of 6 or so has never even heard ONE single piece of emotiva equipment, but yet continue to yack on it being junk. They use elitist excuses like "i dont even need to try it as i know its junk." I have never seen such dislike againt any kind product from a group that has never even tried a unit from this company. You claim that these products cannot be called "reference", oooooh please, stop using that as an excuse to attack them, its just silly :rolleyes:. Some people need to seriously grow up and get over themselves. Some of you find the need to bash specifically because emotiva has gotten alot of talk on this forum....that is the MOST pathetic excuse to hate on a company....

Most of you dont even have an proper knowledge on Emotiva. As one other member said, emotiva is part of a much bigger company owned by Dan L. They have made products for SEVERAL companies that is the SAME thing as what they put out under the emotiva name. But because your not paying for the name and overhead charges that so many companies add on, the price is really good. Do some of you even know the margins on some of the other products you buy??? Its laughable. Im not saying this is the same as a ML amp or Krell, but you get the point. ::Flame suit ooooon::;)

Welcome to the internets............son! :p

[megasat16]

Well, I don't know anything about that BigRed. I know one thing though - it's the fact that EMO had almost all of their amps with Reference in the Ad few weeks back when the discount was going on.

It seems like the guys at EMO has decided to pull the Reference word from all other except but one which is XPA-1. Again, I don't think I and anyone here really bash EMO but simply stating what they've seen on it's own website. It's about overly using the R word.

[LessisNevermore]

This just cracks me up...

Don't
Take
The
Bait......:D

[cfrizz]

Gentlemen, very nice posts & right on the money.

Every once & a while ALL companies have QC issues. Dan says Denon is having some, I know Rotel has had some issues. It is simply the nature of electronics.

Marketing is just that, I don't care what BS they spout & they ALL do it.

For the most part they have a satisfied customer base. I'll take EarlyB's word that he is satisfied with the product they put out at face value.

It's funny over on Audioholics someone posted a question about the lack of other sites reviews on Emo products with the exception of Audioholics & Emo's boards. Well all HELL broke loose with the fanboys over there piling on the poor OP like he was a fresh piece of prime rib! The thread got closed last night. ROTFLMAO!

And over here we have nonfanboys putting Emo down every which way but loose!

My guess is that the truth is somewhere in the middle. Good luck to anyone trying to find it!:D


I've never heard Emotiva so I can't comment to its quality.

I don't blame them for trying to market their product the best way they can. Is it misleading? I'm not going to judge that. Does it work? Obviously since they've generated a buzz on multiple forums.

What do you expect them to do? Put out lukewarm ads like this one?

http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/10a7270e124fc46e88874db26f3a98306g.jpg


I'm hearing alot of speculation, and very little personal experience. Maybe the jury should wait for some evidence?


This just cracks me up...Its basically the same group of 6 or so people that CONSTANTLY gang up and bash on Emotiva. You wait for one person to come out and say "omg i acutally have a problem with my emotiva gear!!!!" and you take that and run with it. What cracks me up even more is that group of 6 or so has never even heard ONE single piece of emotiva equipment, but yet continue to yack on it being junk. They use elitist excuses like "i dont even need to try it as i know its junk." I have never seen such dislike againt any kind product from a group that has never even tried a unit from this company. You claim that these products cannot be called "reference", oooooh please, stop using that as an excuse to attack them, its just silly :rolleyes:. Some people need to seriously grow up and get over themselves. Some of you find the need to bash specifically because emotiva has gotten alot of talk on this forum....that is the MOST pathetic excuse to hate on a company....

Most of you dont even have an proper knowledge on Emotiva. As one other member said, emotiva is part of a much bigger company owned by Dan L. They have made products for SEVERAL companies that is the SAME thing as what they put out under the emotiva name. But because your not paying for the name and overhead charges that so many companies add on, the price is really good. Do some of you even know the margins on some of the other products you buy??? Its laughable. Im not saying this is the same as a ML amp or Krell, but you get the point. ::Flame suit ooooon::;)

[bigred7078]

I completely understand your point bigred...but this isn't the first case of something like this I've ever heard of. I've heard of quite a few cases where people got defective units from Emotiva, and had to return their items.

Also...That didn't actually happen to Ricardo...that was something that happened to someone on another board. He was just reposting the info here.

I totally understand that for sure. It definately sucks getting 3 defective units. I would be pissed. But at the same time shit like that happens with EVERY company, i just find it funny that when it happens to emotiva people feel the need to jump on them for it and proclaim "SEE it does suck!". But thats not the case. And yes of course it had happened with emotiva before, but what company has stuff like this not happened too? My point was its silly to put down a company that to be honest doesnt have issues that often. In fact i think it happens less often so when people read about an issue people build it up to more than it is. At least Emotiva is taking more actions than most companies would. The guy who had this happen to him, i have spoken to him on several occasions. He definately liked the equipment he was just getting annoyed with the paricular issues he was having and even said Emotiva was definately taking care of him, he even has spoken with the owner of the company Dan L. They sent him new units out ASAP.

[bigred7078]

Welcome to the internets............son! :p

ok "dad",

still does not give you the right you obviously think you deserve to talk bad about a company you have no personal experience with. I think its pretty pathetic in fact.

[suprafantx]

I have a friend he always talk how bad the quality of Toyota and recently I found out that he just bought two brand new Toyota vehicles. We have a new name for him STUPID LIAR.:D

[bigred7078]

It's funny over on Audioholics someone posted a question about the lack of other sites reviews on Emo products with the exception of Audioholics & Emo's boards. Well all HELL broke loose with the fanboys over there piling on the poor OP like he was a fresh piece of prime rib! The thread got closed last night. ROTFLMAO!




LoL that thread was funny. But actually the guy asked how emotiva could be any good if it as not in any Home Theater magazines like stereophile. It was basically everyone trying to explain to this guy that not only are ID products not in stereophile, but magazine reviews really mean skrill. And the thread was reopened lol.

[fossy]

Yawn....;);)

[shack]

I appears we have our share of EMU fanboys here as well.....

[heiney9]

ok "dad",

still does not give you the right you obviously think you deserve to talk bad about a company you have no personal experience with. I think its pretty pathetic in fact.

Grow some skin.........will ya! Been around this game a lot longer than you and I'll comment where and when and about what I want. Just as you are free to comment on anything you want.

It is fair to say that out of all the things discussed in this thread that the truth lies somewhere in the middle. As I told you in the last Emo thread......I've moved on......past this type of gear. I am at a completely different point in my audio journey. If you understood this, and had been around some truly great audio gear over a number of years you wouldn't even question this statement; you'd completely get where I'm coming from. But you haven't, therefore you take the above statement as an affront to your gear and to your pride, like it's some sort of elitist statement............it's not even remotely intended to be elitist.......it's simply a fact of this hobby. You either get it....or you don't. Believe me, compared to what others on this forum have experienced in their journey, and where they're at now, makes me look like a novice.

Rock on, enjoy your tunes and your rig because you're farther along than most people an you are obviously passionate about it. :cool:

[Kex]

ok "dad",

still does not give you the right you obviously think you deserve to talk bad about a company you have no personal experience with. I think its pretty pathetic in fact.How's the flame suit holding up bigred?! Let me know if you need me to spray you with some water to keep the heat down!

This thread brings up several points of interest IMO. Firstly, there do indeed seem to be people who find it hard to believe that Emo can live up to some of their lofty claims, and the hype from some very one-sided reviews. Few of those here at CP, if any, however, in my experience, actually go to threads to answer questions with a "don't buy it, it's low end junk!" proclamation. On the other hand, there are several that do frequently recommend Emotiva without ever having tried the products either, both here at CP and elsewhere.

As for the problems described in the OP. Well, Emotiva do seem to be having some occasional issues with faulty units being delivered, and several faulty units in a row does seem highly unusual and significant. In their favor, however, if you approach them with tact, they do seem to follow trhough with solutions and a no nonsense attitude ... other that shipping more faulty units to the same person of course, in this case at least. I even found myself wondering how truthful the person describing the problems was actually being, since it seems so ridiculous, until bigred said he actually spoke to him, so the story seems genuine enough after all.

I am surprised at such problems though. The issues I had with Emotiva had nothing to do with quality, and everything to do with performance. It could be argued that my 90dB+ sensivity 8 ohm speakers just were not hard enough to drive for the promised extra power to matter, but my recent acquisition of a NAD receiver, with modest claimed output, yielded far superior results, so that is not the whole story, not to mention the extravagant claims made by Emotiva in describing their products, backed up be those same glorious reviews from the usual suspects.

The comments new owners frequently make do not seem to tell the whole story, however, IMO. They frequently point to how gorgeous the units are, and how beautiful the high quality finish looks, how well packed they are. I simply cannot agree with this wholeheartedly. The fit and finish of my units was somewhat mediocre IMO, and even a little bit tacky, not to mention the stupidly Wal-Mart HTiB cheap remote I received with the LMC-1. This includes the fuzzy operation of the poorly painted knobs on the LMC-1, the wobbly signature "E" power button on both my units, and the fit/finish of some rear end connections too. I am surprised more owners do not also comment on this more often (well, more often would be "at least one other person, not just me"), since my Emo units did not compare well to either Denon, Yamaha, harman/kardon or NAD in that respect in my experience. My packing was also so tight that the HDMI switcher box was squeezed into the LMC-1 box in such a way that it could not help but be sqaushed, with collapsed sides, in transit (no damage to the unit, however).

As for marketing. Emotiva do seem to play the big specifications game in a very slutty way, and it always has me wondering where the truth of their performance really lies, beyond the LPA-1/UPA-x units, that is, since I have no direct XPA-x experience.

I am sure Emotiva have provided great options for many happy users, including here at CP, but I would like to read some more balanced reviews once in a blue moon, a little bit more respect for what some other brands have achieved and which may just have got something right, other than w/ch, that Emotiva have not quite figured out as yet, and finally, some other options for new members other than the usual Onkyo 805/806/876 + Emotiva XPA combos.

JMO. No flames here!

[daboyz]

#1 - Damn I wish I could get those 10 mins. back I just spent reading all this.

#2 - Tim, That was hilarious,thanks!:D

#3 - I would love to have the Emo come on over and put it up against the amps we have here in the RAS,not too sure it will survive.

#4 - Red, heiney9 is an elitist a$$hole. You had him pegged from the get go.:p:D

[heiney9]

#4 - Red, heiney9 is an elitist a$$hole. You had him pegged from the get go.:p:D

Dave, the cost to buy back those Signal cables..........just doubled. Since they were in my mere presence they sound better than ever :D:):D:p

[Kex]

#1 - Damn I wish I could get those 10 mins. back I just spent reading all this.

...
#1 - How did you learn to make such short posts?

#2 - 10 mins.? Did you only read my post then?!

[daboyz]

#1 - How did you learn to make such short posts?

#2 - 10 mins.? Did you only read my post then?!

You posted?:D

[fossy]

All brands considered ... EMO gets mentioned more in the last few months here at CP than any other brand.........I will be in the market for a 2 channel pre later in the year & the RSP-2 has been one of the for runners .... Im not so sure now .....one bad apple doesn't spoil the bunch IMO

Emo has been around for what ?? 2 or 3 years ?? please correct me if i'm wrong on that..

Myself, I have seen many more good things posted here & abroad than bad but have no experience with any of their products.......

If the owner actively participates in their forum ..... that's just gotta be a good thing ... NO ???????

[bigred7078]

How's the flame suit holding up bigred?! Let me know if you need me to spray you with some water to keep the heat down!

This thread brings up several points of interest IMO. Firstly, there do indeed seem to be people who find it hard to believe that Emo can live up to some of their lofty claims, and the hype from some very one-sided reviews. Few of those here at CP, if any, however, in my experience, actually go to threads to answer questions with a "don't buy it, it's low end junk!" proclamation. On the other hand, there are several that do frequently recommend Emotiva without ever having tried the products either, both here at CP and elsewhere.

As for the problems described in the OP. Well, Emotiva do seem to be having some occasional issues with faulty units being delivered, and several faulty units in a row does seem highly unusual and significant. In their favor, however, if you approach them with tact, they do seem to follow trhough with solutions and a no nonsense attitude ... other that shipping more faulty units to the same person of course, in this case at least. I even found myself wondering how truthful the person describing the problems was actually being, since it seems so ridiculous, until bigred said he actually spoke to him, so the story seems genuine enough after all.

I am surprised at such problems though. The issues I had with Emotiva had nothing to do with quality, and everything to do with performance. It could be argued that my 90dB+ sensivity 8 ohm speakers just were not hard enough to drive for the promised extra power to matter, but my recent acquisition of a NAD receiver, with modest claimed output, yielded far superior results, so that is not the whole story, not to mention the extravagant claims made by Emotiva in describing their products, backed up be those same glorious reviews from the usual suspects.

The comments new owners frequently make do not seem to tell the whole story, however, IMO. They frequently point to how gorgeous the units are, and how beautiful the high quality finish looks, how well packed they are. I simply cannot agree with this wholeheartedly. The fit and finish of my units was somewhat mediocre IMO, and even a little bit tacky, not to mention the stupidly Wal-Mart HTiB cheap remote I received with the LMC-1. This includes the fuzzy operation of the poorly painted knobs on the LMC-1, the wobbly signature "E" power button on both my units, and the fit/finish of some rear end connections too. I am surprised more owners do not also comment on this more often (well, more often would be "at least one other person, not just me"), since my Emo units did not compare well to either Denon, Yamaha, harman/kardon or NAD in that respect in my experience. My packing was also so tight that the HDMI switcher box was squeezed into the LMC-1 box in such a way that it could not help but be sqaushed, with collapsed sides, in transit (no damage to the unit, however).

As for marketing. Emotiva do seem to play the big specifications game in a very slutty way, and it always has me wondering where the truth of their performance really lies, beyond the LPA-1/UPA-x units, that is, since I have no direct XPA-x experience.

I am sure Emotiva have provided great options for many happy users, including here at CP, but I would like to read some more balanced reviews once in a blue moon, a little bit more respect for what some other brands have achieved and which may just have got something right, other than w/ch, that Emotiva have not quite figured out as yet, and finally, some other options for new members other than the usual Onkyo 805/806/876 + Emotiva XPA combos.

JMO. No flames here!



See now here is a response i can completely respect. You tried the product, did not like it, and thats it. You found many aspects to be cheap, and in many of your findings i also agree with, but as i have said before they have come a long way since the UL combo (LMC-1/LPA-1).

No matter what company you go with you will have people that have similar opinions as Kex. Thats just the electronics industry and different peoples opinions for you.

I again agree with you Kex about how many people seem to just be buying the Emotiva for the "looks" and its their first amp. Well of course there will be an overwhelming number of people that this is their first amp and they gush over it. But there are also those like myself and several others that have owned other amps and really enjoy the emotiva, not just for the money, but because of how it performs.

All in all my point is that this is an audio forum. The purpose is to help others. Not to blab about nonsense that alot of members here have no direct experience with. Remember the economy sucks right now, but many people are still looking to increase their audio performance. Unfortunately many cannot afford to spend thousands on other amps. Emotiva is a VERY attractive company right now, so like it or not your going to hear the name people so just learn to deal with it. Im tired of hearing about monoprice and blue jeans cables but its just part of the audio industry as bang for the buck cables just like emotiva is to amps and processors (And now speakers...).

Thanks for the respectful post Kex

[bigred7078]

All brands considered ... EMO gets mentioned more in the last few months here at CP than any other brand.........I will be in the market for a 2 channel pre later in the year & the RSP-2 has been one of the for runners .... Im not so sure now .....one bad apple doesn't spoil the bunch IMO

Emo has been around for what ?? 2 or 3 years ?? please correct me if i'm wrong on that..

Myself, I have seen many more good things posted here & abroad than bad but have no experience with any of their products.......

If the owner actively participates in their forum ..... that's just gotta be a good thing ... NO ???????

This was actually the first issue i have ever heard of with an RSP model...
Again most of the problems (Tony? i think that was his name...) had were not with performance but merely cosmetics. He fixed the noisey phono issue, and got a new unit for the sticky volume. Then he got another unit with bad silk screening of the logo (which was pretty bad). Then i guess the last one did actually crap out.

Emotiva as its currently known has been around for about 4 years...The Owner Dan L. has owned this paricular factory for much much longer where they made components for much higher end companies. So the brand is new, but the building has been around for much longer.

[cfrizz]

Perhaps, but we have also had Outlaw fanboys, SDA fanboys, SVS fanboys, tube fanboys, 2 channel fanboys....& on & on & on.

Just the nature of message boards!:p


I appears we have our share of EMU fanboys here as well.....

[F1nut]

I've never heard Emotiva so I can't comment to its quality.

I don't blame them for trying to market their product the best way they can. Is it misleading? I'm not going to judge that. Does it work? Obviously since they've generated a buzz on multiple forums.

What do you expect them to do? Put out lukewarm ads like this one?

http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/10a7270e124fc46e88874db26f3a98306g.jpg

That right there is World Class!!!

I'm bad, I'm nationwide......Tickle my EMO!!!

[Kex]

Perhaps, but we have also had Outlaw fanboys, SDA fanboys, SVS fanboys, tube fanboys, 2 channel fanboys....& on & on & on.

Just the nature of message boards!:pThere is no such thing as "SDA fanboys": they are simply persons who have been born again, and have finally seen (heard?) the light. Your statement, Madam, is sacriligeous and blasphemy!

[nm4710]

I can only comment on my experience: I own an Emotiva LPA-1 which I bought from the company refurbished. It has performed beyond expectation and has never given me a single problem in the year I've owned it. A lot of people criticize emotiva buyers arguing it's their first and only amp. Not true here...Adcom 555, Onkyo M282 (I know, I know), former NAD C272, former Anthem MCA20 (well it was borrowed for 3 months). The LPA-1 performs very well compared to all of these amps, at least in my room with my RTi speakers. Not as good as the MCA20 but I felt I got about 85-90% of the sound with 1/4 the cost through the Emo. There are obviously far superior amplifiers..but none at this price.

I'm sorry so many of you are put off my emotiva's advertising...I agree it may be a little loud...but the products are a great value.

[sagasa]

A vote for EMOTIVA

[Ricardo]

Let's be fair; I found this in another forum:

"I've heard the RPA-1 and 2 and can confidently say they are much more musical than the Odyssey Stratos Extremes and various Khartago models I have previously owned. The RPA-2 sounds better than anything Klaus makes, period.

Furthemore, Klaus's amps tend to break down and getting them fixed is often difficult because Odyssey is just a one man operation and almost never around. That being said, if you have the patience to wait around with no amps and maybe more than one try to find a fix, then go buy one of his amps.

On the other hand, Emotiva gear is made like a rock with tons of quality control. "


Took it from a link in another thread, and it's here.: :)

http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/index.php?topic=63558.msg590950#msg590950

[bigred7078]

Let's be fair; I found this in another forum:

"I've heard the RPA-1 and 2 and can confidently say they are much more musical than the Odyssey Stratos Extremes and various Khartago models I have previously owned. The RPA-2 sounds better than anything Klaus makes, period.

Furthemore, Klaus's amps tend to break down and getting them fixed is often difficult because Odyssey is just a one man operation and almost never around. That being said, if you have the patience to wait around with no amps and maybe more than one try to find a fix, then go buy one of his amps.

On the other hand, Emotiva gear is made like a rock with tons of quality control. "


Took it from a link in another thread, and it's here.: :)

http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/index.php?topic=63558.msg590950#msg590950

MY RPA-1 is a rock solid animal. :)

To be fair though the Odyssey amps are fantastic stuff that are entirely customizeable to your desires :cool:. But that OP does have a point.


P.S.- Thanks for reminding me of that!!! That was my thread :) ...i kinda forgot about it...whoops lol

[heiney9]

Let's be fair; I found this in another forum:

"I've heard the RPA-1 and 2 and can confidently say they are much more musical than the Odyssey Stratos Extremes and various Khartago models I have previously owned. The RPA-2 sounds better than anything Klaus makes, period.

Furthemore, Klaus's amps tend to break down and getting them fixed is often difficult because Odyssey is just a one man operation and almost never around. That being said, if you have the patience to wait around with no amps and maybe more than one try to find a fix, then go buy one of his amps.

On the other hand, Emotiva gear is made like a rock with tons of quality control. "


Took it from a link in another thread, and it's here.: :)

http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/index.php?topic=63558.msg590950#msg590950

Still stirring the pot, eh Ricardo :D.

Well, I've heard Odyssey gear first and and it's right up there.......this poster is obviously blind. If Emo is THAT good then the rest of the audio companies might as well pack it in and call it a day.

Bigred, that post is a little over the top and reeks of someone who really hasn't been in the game very long. Hitch your wagon to that horse and your bound to end up ass over apple cart ;).

[Ricardo]

Still stirring the pot, eh Ricardo :D.

.......this poster is obviously blind

that poster also posts here; so again, who's stirring the pot?? ;)

[heiney9]

Ah, didn't realize that was our own SolidSqual. To each their own....he obviously has a huge distaste for Klaus and I'm guessing it's not entirely based on the sound of the equipment, but more on a personal level.

[schwarcw]

The Emotiva amp makes my Bose speakers sound fabulous!

[comfortablycurt]

The Emotiva amp makes my Bose speakers sound fabulous!

I'm guessing it's because of all the Monster Cable you used to hook it up?;)

[metal83]

Hey, it's not fair to throw Emotiva in with Bose and Monster Cables....Emotiva is not expensive!!!! :p:D

[megasat16]

I'm sorry so many of you are put off my emotiva's advertising...I agree it may be a little loud...but the products are a great value.

Great Post and No worries there! EMO had taken down the loud word from their products and it's a positive sign for me and it's fitting. I agree that EMO products can be a great value.

[comfortablycurt]

Next to come-World Class, Reference Quality, Emotiva Speaker Wire and IC's!!!

I'm going exclusively Emo...Emo pre's, Emo power amps...Emo cables...Emo Speakers...do they have any DVD's or CDP's yet? That'll be coming soon too if they don't...lol

One day we'll all be driving to work, listening to our Emotiva car stereos...

[metal83]

Next to come-World Class, Reference Quality, Emotiva Speaker Wire and IC's!!!

I'm going exclusively Emo...Emo pre's, Emo power amps...Emo cables...Emo Speakers...do they have any DVD's or CDP's yet? That'll be coming soon too if they don't...lol

One day we'll all be driving to work, listening to our Emotiva car stereos...

They actually do have a CDP coming out, pretty soon to i think...:p

[comfortablycurt]

They actually do have a CDP coming out, pretty soon to i think...:p

:eek: I should have just assumed as much...lol

When are the Emo TV sets going to hit the market?:p

[metal83]

:eek: I should have just assumed as much...lol

When are the Emo TV sets going to hit the market?:p

Those are due out next month....haha..jk..but ya never know! :p

[SolidSqual]

BAT products are impeccable.

They can make Emo whine like a cold baby left alone on the front porch.

They will chew up an Emo like a bulldog on a pork chop.

Go Large or Just Go Home.

RT1 note--No Emo owners were harmed by the bulldog, but a few were in fact left out in the cold, on the porch, howling like a bulldog.

+1 for BAT, people don't know build quality until they start buying at this level. I think they only thing better that I've seen is the wares of Esoteric.

[comfortablycurt]

Those are due out next month....haha..jk..but ya never know! :p

Maybe that's why Pioneer is getting out of the TV market. They heard that Emotiva was going to jump into the TV game, so they just decided to throw in the towel.:p

[WilliamM2]

Those are due out next month....haha..jk..but ya never know! :p

Knowing their history, if TV's were due out next month, I would expect to see them in 2011.:D

[comfortablycurt]

Knowing their history, if TV's were due out next month, I would expect to see them in 2011.:D

True...hasn't the UMC-1(?) pre/pro been due out for like 6 months now?...lol

[Hawkeye]

I don't have a horse in this race but I do have a question. It has been mentioned in several posts that the maker of Emo manufactures components for several other companies. Would any body know the names of these companies?

Gordon

[WilliamM2]

I don't have a horse in this race but I do have a question. It has been mentioned in several posts that the maker of Emo manufactures components for several other companies. Would any body know the names of these companies?

Gordon

They do claim that over at the Emotiva lounge, but they will not say who it is/was.

[messiah]

Let's call it educated experience. I have never driven a Chevy Cavalier; but as far as what an auto is expected to do it does do. But I can tell you that it's not in the same league as a BMW. The BMW serves the same utilitarian purpose of safely getting passengers from A to B to C, but you'd never confuse it with a Chevy. By the same example a BMW is not a Ferrari, etc, etc....

Same with audio............Emo, while I'm sure to a vast majority of people sounds pretty good............there is much better to be had and in some cases for not a whole lot more.

My biggest beef with EMO lovers is their attitude that these are "World Class" products that compete with pricer brands and other designs which have proven over and over to be better. I get the whole "bang for the buck" thing but EMO's advertising and fan boi's need to stop saying these are the greatest..............because they're not.

Just like my Adcom campaign over the years.......they are what they are in compariosn to like priced and marketed gear. I don't think I've said Adcom was World Class or that it was the "bomb" to borrow a hip term.

Emo is a budget brand in both cost, performance and build quality and in some cases it might be better than similar competition.......nothing more....nothing less.

World Class...................hardly :rolleyes:

You could say the same for Polk Audio!!

Decent gear for a decent price, but hardly setting the standard for what is the best of the best. Not even close actually. Probably why it matches up pretty nicely as far as cost vs performance is concerned. Some of you need to lighten up.

[Retro152]

The Emotiva Xpa-3 is my first amp, and so far, no troubles' whatsoever. Cosmetics werent on my mind when i decided to make a purchase, it of course, was the affordability. Yes, i dont have anything to compare it to, being my first amp, but my initial impression's are that this could be a winner. Granted i dont have the expertise or "year's in" that other forum member's have to critique equipment, and fully realize Emotiva is "The flavor of the month", but maybe just time will tell as far as performance goes'. I have to agree with Bigred that there is a group of Emotiva basher's here that are directing their anger and criticism toward's The "Hype" surrounding this product, while having no hands' on experience with it, not giving it a fair shake. Wonder if Adcom, Rotel, or Outlaw whent through these growing pains?:confused:

[megasat16]

You could say the same for Polk Audio!!

Decent gear for a decent price, but hardly setting the standard for what is the best of the best. Not even close actually. Probably why it matches up pretty nicely as far as cost vs performance is concerned. Some of you need to lighten up.

Yeah, you are right! They matches up right but the funny thing is that one claims to be world class when the other one doesn't who has been in Audio Industry for so long. That's why I got a little carried over it but I swallowed my pills over it now. :)

[metal83]

The Emotiva Xpa-3 is my first amp, and so far, no troubles' whatsoever. Cosmetics werent on my mind when i decided to make a purchase, it of course, was the affordability. Yes, i dont have anything to compare it to, being my first amp, but my initial impression's are that this could be a winner. Granted i dont have the expertise or "year's in" that other forum member's have to critique equipment, and fully realize Emotiva is "The flavor of the month", but maybe just time will tell as far as performance goes'. I have to agree with Bigred that there is a group of Emotiva basher's here that are directing their anger and criticism toward's The "Hype" surrounding this product, while having no hands' on experience with it, not giving it a fair shake. Wonder if Adcom, Rotel, or Outlaw whent through these growing pains?:confused:

Well said, as a new XPA-3 owner i agree with you 100%.

[genjivn]

Talking about quality control. This will be the fifth time my uncle taking his BMW back to the dealer to fix the same problem. His car was assembled in Germany and imported to the States. One of my co-worker also has problems with a brand new BMW series 5. Does that mean BMW QC suck? Probably not.

If I remember correctly, Polk also has some QC issue in the past. The former PSW1000, LSiW was recalled. Some drivers of the SRT speaker blow. Stuffs like that. And don't get me wrong. I owns Polk products and love them. Used to have RT400, RT55i, RT400i, RT4, and now the whole set of LSi system. Can't just simply bash a brand based on a product failure.

Emotiva has exchanged the RSP-2 4 times for Ricardo, one time simply because the logo comes off, I think that is respectable for a company.

Price does not always reflect the true value of a product. I one time bought a DVD player on sale at $700 + tax (retail at $2000) just to find out later from a friend who works at the store that they bought it for just $400. Some products are marked up 3 times or higher is not unusual. Recently I have seen a few Lexicon RT-20 shown up on Audiogon and ebay at a clearance price of ~1000 and that is retailed for $5000. That makes me question if the unit actually costs that much to make.

I recently bought a RPA-2 from emotiva simply based on a few user reviews. For 700 bucks I don't expect much but I am surprised by the build quality of the products. It has enough power to drives my LSi25 without a sweat, with amazing detail and separation. Reference of not I don't know but I'm satisfied with my purchase given the money I paid for it. They may call it their reference line of product, like Paradigm use the phrase "Paradigm Reference" on their site. Paradigm builds respectable speakers. Can their Signature series beat a B&W 800 series? That is debatable.

If you don't like Emotiva, move on. Buy Rotel, Arcam, Krell, McIntosh, Parasound, Classe, Musical Fidelity, Accuphase, Luxman, BAT, AudioResearch,... what ever your budget allows and enjoy. Life is short.

Cheers

[vonnie123]

I have been pleased with my Emotiva MMC-1 pre-pro which I have owned just short of 12 months. After three amp failures, I'd be skeptical too.

[megasat16]

Talking about quality control. This will be the fifth time my uncle taking his BMW back to the dealer to fix the same problem. His car was assembled in Germany and imported to the States. One of my co-worker also has problems with a brand new BMW series 5. Does that mean BMW QC suck? Probably not.

If I remember correctly, Polk also has some QC issue in the past. The former PSW1000, LSiW was recalled. Some drivers of the SRT speaker blow. Stuffs like that. And don't get me wrong. I owns Polk products and love them. Used to have RT400, RT55i, RT400i, RT4, and now the whole set of LSi system. Can't just simply bash a brand based on a product failure.

Emotiva has exchanged the RSP-2 4 times for Ricardo, one time simply because the logo comes off, I think that is respectable for a company.

Price does not always reflect the true value of a product. I one time bought a DVD player on sale at $700 + tax (retail at $2000) just to find out later from a friend who works at the store that they bought it for just $400. Some products are marked up 3 times or higher is not unusual. Recently I have seen a few Lexicon RT-20 shown up on Audiogon and ebay at a clearance price of ~1000 and that is retailed for $5000. That makes me question if the unit actually costs that much to make.

I recently bought a RPA-2 from emotiva simply based on a few user reviews. For 700 bucks I don't expect much but I am surprised by the build quality of the products. It has enough power to drives my LSi25 without a sweat, with amazing detail and separation. Reference of not I don't know but I'm satisfied with my purchase given the money I paid for it. They may call it their reference line of product, like Paradigm use the phrase "Paradigm Reference" on their site. Paradigm builds respectable speakers. Can their Signature series beat a B&W 800 series? That is debatable.

If you don't like Emotiva, move on. Buy Rotel, Arcam, Krell, McIntosh, Parasound, Classe, Musical Fidelity, Accuphase, Luxman, BAT, AudioResearch,... what ever your budget allows and enjoy. Life is short.

Cheers

1. The problem wasn't Ricardo to begin with. He simply repost someone's else problem in CP.

2. There can be a "Reference Line". But not a Reference Amplifier. Have you ever heard of a Reference Vehicle?

3. Whatever EMO wanted to achieve, I wish it good luck and no bashing for them except pointing out their over stated AD I read a few weeks ago.

[danger boy]

looks like you got all the bad ones Ricardo.. now everyone else won't have to go through what you did.

I am stunned that the first three were bad. third times the charm? or is it forth, fifth, sixth? LOL ;)

How long will you stay with them till they send you a good one? At least they are working closely with you on them trying to solve this problem.

[bigred7078]

Still stirring the pot, eh Ricardo :D.

Well, I've heard Odyssey gear first and and it's right up there.......this poster is obviously blind. If Emo is THAT good then the rest of the audio companies might as well pack it in and call it a day.

Bigred, that post is a little over the top and reeks of someone who really hasn't been in the game very long. Hitch your wagon to that horse and your bound to end up ass over apple cart ;).

Like i said i started that post on audiocircle. I had heard so many good things about Odyssey that i wanted to see what they were all about. I found a local gentleman hear that owned a 2-channel Odyssey Stratos. I've actually talked with him several times about audio and never knew he owned audyssey. Well he actually brought the Odyssey over and we compared the Odyssey and RPA-1. We actually came up with a draw. They both performed almost dead even. Yes there was slight differences between them, but it was negligible. Hence why i never returned to audiocircle to find out more. I decided i had definately found a winner with my RPA-1 if it even compared to the raved about audyssey. So again please stop trying to compare the Emotiva and say there is no way it could be better if you have never even tried the product, nor even entertain the idea.

But i would agree that post was a little over the top because the RPA did not beat out the Odyssey Stratos, it just merely equaled it.

[bigred7078]

2. There can be a "Reference Line". But not a Reference Amplifier. Have you ever heard of a Reference Vehicle?

.


Oh im sorry i didnt realize this was a rule...Note to self...never purchase amp that was described as reference...lol c'mon. Who are you to say they cannot describe something as reference. There is no rule that states what is required for reference.

This is just a case of people being overly nit-picky about how a company described some of its amps. Does it REALLY matter??? Most of you could give to shits about Emotiva, so why let something like how they phrase their marketing bother you so much??? How in the world does this directly affect your life and personally insult you? Because this is how some of you are acting about how they phrased one line of marketing.

Advice for those of you who hate reading about Emotiva...If you see it in the title then move along lol. Its not so hard.

[megasat16]

Oh im sorry i didnt realize this was a rule...Note to self...never purchase amp that was described as reference...lol c'mon. Who are you to say they cannot describe something as reference. There is no rule that states what is required for reference.

This is just a case of people being overly nit-picky about how a company described some of its amps. Does it REALLY matter??? Most of you could give to shits about Emotiva, so why let something like how they phrase their marketing bother you so much??? How in the world does this directly affect your life and personally insult you? Because this is how some of you are acting about how they phrased one line of marketing.

Advice for those of you who hate reading about Emotiva...If you see it in the title then move along lol. Its not so hard.

The only thing that bothers me is that EMO marketing hype preying out on unsuspecting buyers from CP and I thought people should be informed that what inside the box may not be what said outside the box (or on their website a few weeks ago anyway).

Personal Insult? NO NO NO WAY! I never said it. I said "an insult to other manufacturer and audio enthusiasts). I said misleading coz it is.

If you don't like what I said, u can swallow a pill like I did. I have nothing to HATE about EMO. Likewise, I have nothing to Love about EMO. You guys love it, Great! In fact, I support EMO continue existence for the goods of all. That's why I always said try EMO with one's own Ears. But I can't simply agree uninformed buyers to fall into prey to EMO hypes.

[genjivn]

Saw the ad at my local McDonald: 100% beef, real cheese. Should they call it a reference burger lol? I bet it would upset customers of Carl Junior, Burger King, Jack in the box, ...

Anyway megasat16, I did not attack you personally. I just make my argument.

[megasat16]

^^^^^I never take as an attack^^^^^.

This should be constructive discussion but EMO lovers Hate Me...Coz I said what it is and they can't take it. Sorry My Bad!

[mmadden28]

Yeah, you are right! They matches up right but the funny thing is that one claims to be world class when the other one doesn't who has been in Audio Industry for so long. That's why I got a little carried over it but I swallowed my pills over it now. :)

Where does/did Emotiva make a claim to be World Class or refer to a product as "world class"? :confused: The only reference I see so far is where F1nut quoted what somebody posted at Audioholics.

Anybody have a link to any of these "over the top" claims in their ads?


... That truth from weeks ago has been changed and the word "Reference" seems to have taken out from their web pages when I visited just now. That word only appears on the XPA-1 now. :rolleyes:
...

Actually its mentioned in at least 55 places right now, but in all but a few, they are referring to the name of a line of products (such as Reference Theater Series (speakers), etc., or it appears in posted copies of a third party reviews, or third party bench test measuring results or
"retain this manual in a safe place for any future reference needs".

I don't see it mentioned at all on the XPA-1 except for the fact that its part of the model name and references the technology "XPA-1 Differential Reference™ Mono-block Power Amplifier". Correction, they mention once that it's "A true reference level amplifier"

Its possible they could have cleaned house (certainly not as a result of this thread), or it could all just be hearsay. Either way I'm sure it doesn't really matter-it's advertising-If you buy a product strictly based on an ad, well...:rolleyes:

[comfortablycurt]

I think were getting a big case of Emo fanboyism in here now...No one is bashing on Emo at all...simply stating that they aren't necessarily all that they're cracked up to be.;)

[bigred7078]

^^^^^I never take as an attack^^^^^.

This should be constructive discussion but EMO lovers Hate Me...Coz I said what it is and they can't take it. Sorry My Bad!

But this is where you cant get over yourself...

you did not say it like it is...you've never tried the product therefore you cannot make any valid arguments. You can speculate...but after a comment like that you obviously have your mind made up. You are just being a troll now. Your not discussing anything...you dont allow discussion..you simply shrug off emotiva and declare it rubbish. You just chase your tail around in a circle saying the same thing with no personal experience to back it up.

[bigred7078]

I think were getting a big case of Emo fanboyism in here now...No one is bashing on Emo at all...simply stating that they aren't necessarily all that they're cracked up to be.;)

you have obviously not been reading this thread....

[comfortablycurt]

you have obviously not been reading this thread....

Actually I've been following it, and posting in it since it first started.

[bigred7078]

Actually I've been following it, and posting in it since it first started.

lol it was a joke...

There has been a ton of emo bashing...Someone even made a advertising poster... if thats not bashing then please inform me what is? Seriously, enlighten me.

When someone has never tried a product and declares its crap..well thats trolling and bashing...especially when they state it in every thread they can where emotiva is named

[megasat16]

Where does/did Emotiva make a claim to be World Class or refer to a product as "world class"? :confused: The only reference I see so far is where F1nut quoted what somebody posted at Audioholics.

Anybody have a link to any of these "over the top" claims in their ads?



Actually its mentioned in at least 55 places right now, but in all but a few, they are referring to the name of a line of products (such as Reference Theater Series (speakers), etc., or it appears in posted copies of a third party reviews, or third party bench test measuring results or
"retain this manual in a safe place for any future reference needs".

I don't see it mentioned at all on the XPA-1 except for the fact that its part of the model name and references the technology "XPA-1 Differential Referenceâ„¢ Mono-block Power Amplifier".

Its possible they could have cleaned house (certainly not as a result of this thread), or it could all just be hearsay. Either way I'm sure it doesn't really matter-it's advertising-If you buy a product strictly based on an ad, well...:rolleyes:

What I read on EMO site today is not the same as what I read on the EMO site a few weeks ago. It doesn't say Reference Line. A Reference Quality Amplifiers on almost all of the XPA series if I remember it correctly. That was then, This is Now and Different. So, take it with a grain of salt...ID company, people buying by ADs, from words of mouth, by recommendations, reading in forums; etc. :rolleyes:

But EMO seems to offer a good product and it is backing up it's product with 30 days trial so anyone who wants to try out can gladly do so.

[comfortablycurt]

lol it was a joke...

There has been a ton of emo bashing...Someone even made a advertising poster... if thats not bashing then please inform me what is? Seriously, enlighten me.

All of that was just in good fun though. No one is saying that "Emo is garbage and no one should ever buy it for any reason". Basically everyone that has been "bashing" Emo, has said that they are a nice product, that has their definite place in the market. They aren't really a contender once you start stepping up to stuff that really IS better than Emo though, that's the point people have been trying to make. You likely can do better for the same money...

People aren't bashing Emo...but rather their overzealous approach to marketing. They rely on a lot of consumer blindness and misconception with their products...just like a couple other companies that come to mind. I to noticed how a couple weeks ago, every page on their site was plastered with phrases like "reference quality" and whatnot...Reference is a title that's earned though, not just given because they said so.

Reference quality is more than just a term...it defines a product that is...of reference quality.

There are already plenty of customers out there that have Emo amps...and just assume that they're the best because of all the marketing hype. That's really not the case though.

[megasat16]

But this is where you cant get over yourself...

you did not say it like it is...you've never tried the product therefore you cannot make any valid arguments. You can speculate...but after a comment like that you obviously have your mind made up. You are just being a troll now. Your not discussing anything...you dont allow discussion..you simply shrug off emotiva and declare it rubbish. You just chase your tail around in a circle saying the same thing with no personal experience to back it up.

THIS IS A FUNNY SHIT YOU SAID!

Curt, Thanks for seeing what I said!

If any of you interested, go find my old posts (in many other threads) and you'll see I always said others in the CP to try out EMO and judge with one's own ear. So, call me whatever u want...it's not gonna change a thing about what I read in EMO site weeks ago.

I have never DECLARE EMO "RUBBISH" NEVER. U must be drunken and trypin?

I also have never subjectively or purposely talk trashed about EMO so far yet. Simple facts are taken out and EMO fanboys start throwing rocks...I couldn't care less.


Good Night, Troll Sign Out!

[mmadden28]

The only thing that bothers me is that EMO marketing hype preying out on unsuspecting buyers from CP and I thought people should be informed that what inside the box may not be what said outside the box (or on their website a few weeks ago anyway).

... But I can't simply agree uninformed buyers to fall into prey to EMO hypes.

"marketing hype on unsuspecting buyers from CP..."
Huh what?

Fall prey to what?

What is it exactly that you are informing everybody about? What is the misleading hype?

[bigred7078]

All of that was just in good fun though. No one is saying that "Emo is garbage and no one should ever buy it for any reason". Basically everyone that has been "bashing" Emo, has said that they are a nice product, that has their definite place in the market. They aren't really a contender once you start stepping up to stuff that really IS better than Emo though, that's the point people have been trying to make. You likely can do better for the same money...

Um if thats how you want to see it. I can recall two or three people that have said its good, but there is more bashing than just outwardly saying its garbage. AGAIN you cannot say something is "better" if you have never tried the product to begin with... I have no problem with others that have tried out different products and it was not for them

And again enlighten me what is most likely better for the same money?

This is quite funny, because you were JUST looking into emotiva and as soon as you read this thread you changed your mind lol.

[F1nut]

Ya'll keep drinking that Kool-Aid.

[bigred7078]

I also have never subjectively or purposely talk trashed about EMO so far yet. Simple facts are taken out and EMO fanboys start throwing rocks...I couldn't care less.


Good Night, Troll Sign Out!


you couldn't care less but yet you feel the need to overly attack their marketing? hmmm right. Reference to you is indeed not reference to something else so how is this deceptive marketing lol

[megasat16]

"marketing hype on unsuspecting buyers from CP..."
Huh what?

Fall prey to what?

What is it exactly that you are informing everybody about? What is the misleading hype?

You missed a good AD ran on EMO sites many weeks ago. Just Read Curt's Post above and you'll see what I said.

When I read on EMO site today, which is updated version has a lot less "Reference" in it and only appears on the XPA-1 series. That's all I want to say.

Again, Troll Here Signing Out from CP!

[bigred7078]

....

[bigred7078]

You missed a good AD ran on EMO sites many weeks ago. Just Read Curt's Post above and you'll see what I said.

When I read on EMO site today, which is updated version has a lot less "Reference" in it and only appears on the XPA-1 series. That's all I want to say.

Again, Troll Here Signing Out from CP!

Ya know what, i apologize for some reason i was confusing your posts with heiney9...i dont know why but i was...my fault. I completley confused myself...sorry man :o

[genjivn]

megasat16, He made you sign back in lol.

Common gentlemen, Polkie and Emo should live peacefully together.

BTW, my LSi 25 and the RPA-2 seem to like each other lol

[comfortablycurt]

Um if thats how you want to see it. I can recall two or three people that have said its good, but there is more bashing than just outwardly saying its garbage. AGAIN you cannot say something is "better" if you have never tried the product to begin with... I have no problem with others that have tried out different products and it was not for them

And again enlighten me what is most likely better for the same money?

This is quite funny, because you were JUST looking into emotiva and as soon as you read this thread you changed your mind lol.

Actually I didn't "just" change my mind. I've been having second thoughts about them for around a month now, and had basically decided not to go with Emotiva a couple weeks ago.

http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampsmult&1239390838&/Rotel-RMB1075S-120-watt-x-5-ch

http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampsmult&1239126789&/Rotel-RMB-1075-Silver-5-x-120-

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http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampstran&1239286172&/Adcom-555-Mk2-

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http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampsmult&1239466283&/Adcom-GFA-7605-multi-channel-p

http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampsmult&1239466284&/Adcom-GFA-7607-multi-channel-p

There are a few. Those are all of about the same, or lower, price than the popular Emo's. They're all from established manufacturers that are known for using higher quality caps/resistors etc., and have much more widely proven track records than Emo does. That's assuming that you don't mind buying used of course...which I don't.

[mmadden28]

... They rely on a lot of consumer blindness and misconception with their products...just like a couple other companies that come to mind. I to noticed how a couple weeks ago, every page on their site was plastered with phrases like "reference quality" and whatnot...Reference is a title that's earned though, not just given because they said so.

Reference quality is more than just a term...it defines a product that is...of reference quality.

There are already plenty of customers out there that have Emo amps...and just assume that they're the best because of all the marketing hype. That's really not the case though.

What consumer blindness are they taking advantage of? What misconception?

Please define what qualities allow something to use that 'term' "Reference Quality".

[bigred7078]

Actually I didn't "just" change my mind. I've been having second thoughts about them for around a month now, and had basically decided not to go with Emotiva a couple weeks ago.

http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampsmult&1239390838&/Rotel-RMB1075S-120-watt-x-5-ch

http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampsmult&1239126789&/Rotel-RMB-1075-Silver-5-x-120-

http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampsmult&1237736762&/Rotel-RMB-1085-class-d-five-ch

http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampstran&1238959377&/Rotel-RB-1080-

http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampstran&1239476781&/Adcom-gfa-545-ii-series-ii

http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampstran&1239286172&/Adcom-555-Mk2-

http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampstran&1238545462&/Adcom-GFA-5500-high-current-po

http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampsmult&1239466283&/Adcom-GFA-7605-multi-channel-p

http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampsmult&1239466284&/Adcom-GFA-7607-multi-channel-p

There are a few. Those are all of about the same, or lower, price than the popular Emo's. They're all from established manufacturers that are known for using higher quality caps/resistors etc., and have much more widely proven track records than Emo does. That's assuming that you don't mind buying used of course...which I don't.

cool no warranty. I was referring to new. Of course you can buy anything used cheap. I can also buy cheap used emotiva gear.

HAlf those you listed compare exactly to the UPA-7...which is cheaper than those used items and has a 5 year warranty.

[bigred7078]

Please define what qualities allow something to use that 'term' "Reference Quality".

This is also something i would like to know.


Why are you able to define what reference is, but emotiva can't? Makes no sense.

[comfortablycurt]

What consumer blindness are they taking advantage of? What misconception?

Please define what qualities allow something to use that 'term' "Reference Quality".

The consumer blindness that makes people believe in the over-marketing hype, and not actually go out and even research another company before making their mind up. The misconception that they're getting a "reference" quality item, when they're actually just getting an item that happens to be described as being "reference" by the manufacturer.

The term reference has come to have a certain meaning, and contain certain qualities within the audio world. It has to live up to that "reference" name. The fact that they are using poor quality caps/resistors etc. in their products, isn't a very good indicator of something being of "reference" quality.

Again...I'm not bashing Emotiva. Many people are more than happy with their Emo's. I'm happy that they're happy. That's what defines a good purchase...if you're happy with what you bought, then it was money well spent. Hands down.

I'm going to look into something that has a more proven track record though. For those who do want to go with Emotiva? Great. They definitely fill a market segment well. For people who don't feel comfortable buying used equipment, and don't have a lot of money to spend, Emo is probably the way to go, but looking in the used market you can find something for the same, or less money that is likely going to make you much happier.

These are just my opinions.;)

[mmadden28]

Curt, you say you are just stating your opinions but you are doing so with seeming conviction. As if you definitively know some mass misconception is going on. Like you were taken advantage of by the evil Emotiva Empire.

The consumer blindness and over marketing hype in the audio world is not exclusive to Emotiva. Yet you feel the need to post your convictions, without apparent basis in a thread obviously created to incite (i.e what appears to be jumping on the apparent bashing bandwagon). If you (and others) really truly didn't care to bash on Emotiva, then why post in this thread at all.

I'm still not sure how Emotiva swept through here and blinded everybody. As far as I can tell any 'hype' is all word of mouth or based on onwners experiences, Not really sourced from Emotiva.

Just my observations of how things look.

[bigred7078]

The consumer blindness that makes people believe in the over-marketing hype, and not actually go out and even research another company before making their mind up. The misconception that they're getting a "reference" quality item, when they're actually just getting an item that happens to be described as being "reference" by the manufacturer.

The term reference has come to have a certain meaning, and contain certain qualities within the audio world. It has to live up to that "reference" name. The fact that they are using poor quality caps/resistors etc. in their products, isn't a very good indicator of something being of "reference" quality.

Again...I'm not bashing Emotiva. Many people are more than happy with their Emo's. I'm happy that they're happy. That's what defines a good purchase...if you're happy with what you bought, then it was money well spent. Hands down.

I'm going to look into something that has a more proven track record though. For those who do want to go with Emotiva? Great. They definitely fill a market segment well. For people who don't feel comfortable buying used equipment, and don't have a lot of money to spend, Emo is probably the way to go, but looking in the used market you can find something for the same, or less money that is likely going to make you much happier.

These are just my opinions.;)

All you are doing is spinning your own version of emotiva is not good lol. You have also never tried an emotiva amp. But you say "you can get something cheaper used that is likely better", and you know this how? Oh wait you dont. Your just regurgitating what you have read on CP about them.

And what is this reference name companies have to live up to? That is an unfounded statement. Your just making excuses without any real reason than saying it doesnt hold up to the reference name. But you never define what that reference name is. If you can name this reference point i will let down. But until then you are aimlessly arguing something that you cannot define.

I agree a company should not deceive consumers. But to say it deceived people by calling all of its amps reference is another silly statement.

[Face]

The empty can rattles the most.

[metal83]

I love how some of you guys can judge something you've never even heard.
Why not just get one and try it out, or simply forget about it and move on if you have no interest. There is no possible way any of you can make a credible conclusion without at the very least hearing one of the products for yourself. No matter what parts it uses or doesn't use, what their adds say, or how much it costs (god forbid they are modestly priced :eek:).

[comfortablycurt]

Curt, you say you are just stating your opinions but you are doing so with seeming conviction. As if you definitively know some mass misconception is going on. Like you were taken advantage of by the evil Emotiva Empire.

The consumer blindness and over marketing hype in the audio world is not exclusive to Emotiva. Yet you feel the need to post your convictions, without apparent basis in a thread obviously created to incite (i.e what appears to be jumping on the apparent bashing bandwagon). If you (and others) really truly didn't care to bash on Emotiva, then why post in this thread at all.

I'm still not sure how Emotiva swept through here and blinded everybody. As far as I can tell any 'hype' is all word of mouth or based on onwners experiences, Not really sourced from Emotiva.

Just my observations of how things look.

I haven't said at any point that I "know" that Emo is involved to some mass misconception, just that a lot of their success is due to that. A lot of people get the idea to look into external amps, and they see the word "Emotiva" plastered all over a bunch of message board...they go look at Emotiva's website, read the specs, and see "how many watts per dollar", if you will, that it has, and don't even bother to look into anything else.

I respect your opinions on the subject...and I assure you that all of the things I've stated are purely that. Opinions...none of that is based in fact at all. I'd love to listen to an Emo sometime and see how they compare with other companies.


All you are doing is spinning your own version of emotiva is not good lol. You have also never tried an emotiva amp. But you say "you can get something cheaper used that is likely better", and you know this how? Oh wait you dont. Your just regurgitating what you have read on CP about them.

And what is this reference name companies have to live up to? That is an unfounded statement. Your just making excuses without any real reason than saying it doesnt hold up to the reference name. But you never define what that reference name is. If you can name this reference point i will let down. But until then you are aimlessly arguing something that you cannot define.

I agree a company should not deceive consumers. But to say it deceived people by calling all of its amps reference is another silly statement.

That's what the word "likely" is for. I didn't say that you could spend the same money elsewhere, and definitely get something nicer. There is a strong possibility of it though.

The reference point to me, is being of reference quality. The usage of high quality components in their products is a big factor in that. Emotiva's usage of cheaper components makes me feel that they aren't exactly deserving of the term "reference".

The term "reference" in itself is one of the misconceptions they have going on. People see that word, and just assume that it's an extremely high quality component, made of the highest quality parts possible.



That being said...I'm not really too worried about this whole debate anyway. I don't feel any need to sit here and get a head ache trying to defend my reasoning for deciding to spend my money with a company aside from Emotiva. For those of you who do want to spend your money with Emo...go ahead. I support you 100%, I hope you're happy with your purchase, and I look forward to hearing about your results with them.

I'll be spending about the same money on something used though...and I look forward to listening to it, and hopefully I'll get a chance to compare it to an Emo someday.

[mmadden28]

You missed a good AD ran on EMO sites many weeks ago. Just Read Curt's Post above and you'll see what I said.

When I read on EMO site today, which is updated version has a lot less "Reference" in it and only appears on the XPA-1 series. That's all I want to say.

Again, Troll Here Signing Out from CP!

Where was the Ad?

Attached is a zip that contains 2 files. One is a printout of the XPA-1 product page from 12/29/08. The other is the Main page with the sale (same date). At least on those two pages I don't see anything blatantly overmarketed or infact that much different than they are right now.

Note the files are XPS files which are Microsoft's version of a PDF file. If you don't have Vista, or an XPS viewer and would like to see these, you can get the viewer here (http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/xps/viewxps.mspx). I'll try to figure out how to convert them to an image. No need for any MS bashers to jump in and tell me to get rid of Vista. :p

[mmadden28]

"Reference" plain and simple a marketing term. At least that is how I understand it to be. I don't think the NIST has an entry for it.

As far as people not bothering to look elsewhere once they are bowled over by a term in an ad, well hmm. Shame on them if they are disappointed.

Let's see, how about these terms:

"ultimate sonic accuracy"
"Premium components"
"top of the line audio performance"
"finest quality speakers"
"space age material"
"ultra-pure performance"
"best possible performance"

Would you put these marketing terms into the same category as "reference"? Might they, if you saw them on a site, lead you to belive that this is the cream of the crop, that its unlikely that there might be better out there?
Can there be better than Ultimate Sonic Accuracy? Is there better than Top of the Line? Or Ultra-Pure? or Best Possible?

[F1nut]

I love how some of you guys can judge something you've never even heard.

Some of us guys have been around long enough to know that no one is ever going to figure out how to make a silk purse from a sow's ear.

[comfortablycurt]

Some of us guys have been around long enough to know that no one is ever going to figure out how to make a silk purse from a sow's ear.

Exactly. While I don't fall into that category of someone that's been around for a long time...these are the people I'm going to trust. The people that have been there, and done that. By far, the majority of the people that support Emo to the max, are the people that are fairly new to the hobby. I'm pretty new to it myself, and at first, I was convinced that Emo was the way to go, simply because I didn't know any better.

When they're offering an amp that supposedly has the same specs and quality as amps costing twice, or even three times as much...some corners have been cut.


"Reference" plain and simple a marketing term. At least that is how I understand it to be. I don't think the NIST has an entry for it.

As far as people not bothering to look elsewhere once they are bowled over by a term in an ad, well hmm. Shame on them if they are disappointed.

Let's see, how about these terms:

"ultimate sonic accuracy"
"Premium components"
"top of the line audio performance"
"finest quality speakers"
"space age material"
"ultra-pure performance"
"best possible performance"

Would you put these marketing terms into the same category as "reference"? Might they, if you saw them on a site, lead you to belive that this is the cream of the crop, that its unlikely that there might be better out there?
Can there be better than Ultimate Sonic Accuracy? Is there better than Top of the Line? Or Ultra-Pure? or Best Possible?

I agree..."reference" by and large is a marketing term. It's not as if you can pick up a resistor and say, "this is a reference resistor". It's a term that has come to have a lot of meaning in this hobby though. When you're buying a reference quality component...you're expecting something similar in quality and performance, to other companies "reference series".


There are some things I do really like about Emo though. For one, it's great to see a new American business actually succeeding in our current economy. I hope they keep going, and keep succeeding. It's not as if I want them to fail or anything.

Also, they really do fill a certain market segment. For the people who don't have a lot of money to spend, and aren't comfortable buying used, but want to get into externals? Emo's great for that! It's still going to give you a huge improvement in sound quality over an AVR without breaking the bank.

As I said earlier though...personally I'm not looking for the best bang for the buck, and I have no issues with buying used equipment. Don't get me wrong, I still haven't completely ruled Emotiva out...but odds are that I'll be going with something else. I'm looking for the best bang that fits into my price range, which extends over Emotiva's price range, so I'm going to get what I deem to be the best option for the money I want to spend.

[bigred7078]

Some of us guys have been around long enough to know that no one is ever going to figure out how to make a silk purse from a sow's ear.

If you believe that being around "long enough" makes you all knowing than you are truly foolish.

[bigred7078]

When they're offering an amp that supposedly has the same specs and quality as amps costing twice, or even three times as much...some corners have been cut.



Ahhh the words of someone who knows nothing of the industry ;). Unfortuanatley not all amps costing 3 times more are utilizing "better" parts. Some actually do, but the majority dont. Emotiva has made comp onents for companies such as sunfire. Do you consider sunfire cheap? I certainly do not. But you pay for the name, you pay for the middle man mark up and you pay for the overhead and profit of the store carrying the product. So its pretty easy to understand why emotiva has low prices. Are the internals of the amps made in China? Of course, but so are the parts of all the amps on the market.

Listen im not saying its the greatest amps on the market, but i think it competes rather heavily with alot of amps from "better" companies and with a way better price to boot.

I have personally owned 7 pieces of emotiva gear, and they have all been excellent performers. Like i said earlier, i did a side by side comparison with my RPA-1 and an Odyssey Stratos (another ID company) that retails for $1200(without the upgrades). The Odyssey was no better than the RPA-1 which suprised me because i expected the Odyssey to walk all over it after all i had read. So thinking you know or understand something really doesn't meant to much until its put to the test.

[bigred7078]

I agree..."reference" by and large is a marketing term. It's not as if you can pick up a resistor and say, "this is a reference resistor". It's a term that has come to have a lot of meaning in this hobby though. When you're buying a reference quality component...you're expecting something similar in quality and performance, to other companies "reference series".



Yes "reference" has come to a certain meaning in this hobby. And if you have not already been able to tell that meaning varies from one person to another...

And what makes another companies reference series more "reference" than the ones emotiva currently lists. Or for that matter why can another company list a product as reference but emotiva cannot?

If we all considered the same thing "Reference quality" than there definately would be a point to all this. But we obviously dont all consider the same things as reference....so one mans trash is another mans treasure.

I guess we will agree to disagree.

[comfortablycurt]

I guess we will agree to disagree.

Yeah...I think it's just one of those situations.


In either case, it sounds like there's going to be an XPA-5 at the next RAS meeting, so I'll be able to get my ears on one, and compare it to some other amps at the same time. It'll be nice to finally hear an Emo after hearing so much about them.

Time will tell...who knows? Maybe I'll hear it and love what I hear...Like I said before, I haven't completely ruled them out yet.;)

[bassaholic]

no one is ever going to figure out how to make a silk purse from a sow's ear.
A few more pages and we'll see this same quote again. GO MONSTER!!! http://www.polkaudio.com/justin/Monster_Adcom_Shootout.pdf

[metal83]

Exactly. While I don't fall into that category of someone that's been around for a long time...these are the people I'm going to trust. The people that have been there, and done that. By far, the majority of the people that support Emo to the max, are the people that are fairly new to the hobby. I'm pretty new to it myself, and at first, I was convinced that Emo was the way to go, simply because I didn't know any better.

I trust myself, and myself only when it comes to my ears and my money.
Certainly not a bunch of people on the internet, i don't care how long someone has been here or how many posts they have, it definitely doesn't make them audio gods. And saying that the majority of people who support Emotiva are new to this hobby is a pretty ridiculous statement, have you been on other forums? AVS comes to mind, or even Emotiva's own forums, amoung others. And what about the people who designed these products, surely they are not new to this hobby. There seems to be plenty of people who are far from beginners with this hobby with much interest in Emotiva.


When they're offering an amp that supposedly has the same specs and quality as amps costing twice, or even three times as much...some corners have been cut.

And you know this as a fact, how so, have you ripped one apart and examined the inner workings yourself?


I agree..."reference" by and large is a marketing term. It's not as if you can pick up a resistor and say, "this is a reference resistor". It's a term that has come to have a lot of meaning in this hobby though. When you're buying a reference quality component...you're expecting something similar in quality and performance, to other companies "reference series".

Ok, so you agree it's marketing term by and large, but that it also has a lot of meaning in this hobby. Since when do marketing terms have a lot of meaning.


There are some things I do really like about Emo though. For one, it's great to see a new American business actually succeeding in our current economy. I hope they keep going, and keep succeeding. It's not as if I want them to fail or anything.

No, you don't want them to fail, you just have no problem bashing them apparently, because that's what other people are doing, so why not fit in right...:rolleyes:


Also, they really do fill a certain market segment. For the people who don't have a lot of money to spend, and aren't comfortable buying used, but want to get into externals? Emo's great for that! It's still going to give you a huge improvement in sound quality over an AVR without breaking the bank.

So Emotiva products are for less fortunate people now, basically is what your saying? :rolleyes:


As I said earlier though...personally I'm not looking for the best bang for the buck, and I have no issues with buying used equipment. Don't get me wrong, I still haven't completely ruled Emotiva out...but odds are that I'll be going with something else. I'm looking for the best bang that fits into my price range, which extends over Emotiva's price range, so I'm going to get what I deem to be the best option for the money I want to spend.

Ok, you haven't completely ruled them out, i could of sworn you basically said you had somewhere in this long but ridiculous thread.

Best bang for the buck, and best bang that fits in your price range, are essentially the same thing you know. Aren't we all trying to get the best bang for the buck with anything we buy, not just audio equipment?



Ok, i'm done, and no offense by the way, this is just the internet after all...:)
I'm going to go and enjoy my poor mans amp now, so let the Emo bashing proceed...lol :p

Emotiva rocks!!!

[shack]

oooh...the fanboys are restless.....:rolleyes:

[heiney9]

Ahhh the words of someone who knows nothing of the industry ;). Unfortuanatley not all amps costing 3 times more are utilizing "better" parts. Some actually do, but the majority dont.

This is one of most the naive statements I've heard on this board lately........do you really believe that. I agree that cost as a singular component doesn't make something a superior product. But to say but the majority dont.. LMAO.

What other "amps" have you heard compared to your Emo (besides the Odyssey). What design topologies have you decided to learn about to make an educated decision about what to buy? What truly high end components have you researched and listened to make such an absurd statement.

At this point you might as well be farting in the wind as what little amount of credibility you might have started out with is gone.

All those that have Emo and are happy with it.............please enjoy that's what this hobby is all about. Those that trying to convince they are the next best thing since sliced bread.......get out and experience some audio gear......you can thank me later.

[heiney9]

If you believe that being around "long enough" makes you all knowing than you are truly foolish.

The only one looking foolish is your blind fanboyism towards an entry to upper entry line of products that your trying to pass off as some type of be all, end all line of products. I'm sure Emo fits the bill for many, but I don't need to try every single piece of audio equipment to know whether it will sound better than what I already have. I can tell you just by looking (at Emo) at how it's designed and who it's marketed to; that it won't............and that it wouldn't even be close.

Have a good day :)

[Ricardo]

H9, I heard Nelson Pass helped design EMO amps. Would that make you change your mind?

[Face]

H9, I heard Nelson Pass helped design EMO amps. Would that make you change your mind?That just made my morning.

[heiney9]

H9, I heard Nelson Pass helped design EMO amps. Would that make you change your mind?

It would perk my interest a bit more...........because he has an impeccable 20+ year reputation for designing and building superb products in both fit and finish as well as a particular sound I like very much.

Someone with his credentials much like if Bob Carver or Richard Marsh or John Curl or Walter Jung or Victor Campos, etc, etc who have some industry credibility and have been around the block and know their sh*t...........then yes my interest would certainly be higher than it is now. I've heard many of their best works and certainly have a point of reference there.

But, I'd also be the first one to say it didn't meet the mark if it sounded like crap. No blind fan boy here. I've defended Adcom in the past but amongst other similarly priced and marketed products. Never said they were the be all end all. Simply very nice sounding and worth a listen within other similar products.

But thanks for asking Ricardo :D;)

[heiney9]

That just made my morning.

You can bite me too Mike :D:p:)

[shack]

Hey...while we're at it...can we get a shout-out for OPPO?

[LessisNevermore]

H9, I heard Nelson Pass helped design EMO amps. Would that make you change your mind?


:D:D

H9, I have never seen bigred claim Emo to be the end-all of anything in this thread, or anywhere else.

[heiney9]

This thread has gone from constructive to destructive. Lots of rhetoric from both sides (myself included) as well as some knee jerk responses. It's never my intention to bash any one person or any single piece of gear. My passions and enthusiasm shine through bright sometimes. Not everyone appreciates that.

Bottom line is if you enjoy what you have and enjoy the hobby.....that's all that matters. If Emo rocks your world then great, enjoy.

Peace Out

H9

[mmadden28]

"Reference" plain and simple a marketing term. At least that is how I understand it to be. I don't think the NIST has an entry for it.

As far as people not bothering to look elsewhere once they are bowled over by a term in an ad, well hmm. Shame on them if they are disappointed.

Let's see, how about these terms:

"ultimate sonic accuracy"
"Premium components"
"top of the line audio performance"
"finest quality speakers"
"space age material"
"ultra-pure performance"
"best possible performance"

Would you put these marketing terms into the same category as "reference"? Might they, if you saw them on a site, lead you to belive that this is the cream of the crop, that its unlikely that there might be better out there?
Can there be better than Ultimate Sonic Accuracy? Is there better than Top of the Line? Or Ultra-Pure? or Best Possible?

Just in case anybody is curious, I collected these terms from a couple products on Polkaudio's site. I think many here will concede that there are better speakers and subwoofers out there. That "best possible performance" or "Top of the line" can't really be 'best possible' if there is apparently better out there. Or Ultra Pure performance-hmm, seems a stretch to apply to anything, but definately a marketing term.

Its quite likely you won't find too many manufacturers that don't want their products to sell well and applying catch-phrases and marketing blurbs is certainly one way to do it. Car manufacturers do it all the time, but they get away with it because they add "in its class". It seems almost every car out there is the Best in its class if you only paid attention to the ads. :rolleyes:

Just seems to be a lot of misused terms and phrases, that are themselves subjective, being thrown around, and each person is going to interpret them in a different way if they are not well defined.

[Keiko]

Just spent an hour reading through this thread. I hope this next one works out for you Ricardo. I would of been annoyed by the second and with the third, I would have probably struck them out. Good luck on the fourth bro. You certainly have a lot of patience.

Post #52, classic. :D

[Ricardo]

Just spent an hour reading through this thread. I hope this next one works out for you Ricardo. I would of been annoyed by the second and with the third, I would have probably struck them out. Good luck on the fourth bro. You certainly have a lot of patience.

Post #52, classic. :D

Looks like an hour was not enough for good reading comprehension....:)

This was not me ;)

[heiney9]

For the 4th or 5th time.................the situation was posted by Ricardo from another forum..........not his personal experience:D:p.

And yes I would say the original person this situation happened to has a lot of patience :)

[thsmith]

Just stirring the pot because he can:eek::rolleyes:

[Keiko]

For the 4th or 5th time.................the situation was posted by Ricardo from another forum..........not his personal experience:D:p.

And yes I would say the original person this situation happened to has a lot of patience :)
Blah! :p It's 5:30 in the morning here. I knew I should've went to bed before I started reading this. OK, my bad. I'll ask Justin to change my screen name to ImaDumbass later.

Goodnight and Good morning all,

ImaDumbass :D :o

[tonyb]

Wow....6 friggin pages of "Emo sucks,no it don't".......reminds me of Bose when they first came out.
Emo fills a need for those going from receivers to seperates without breaking the bank.Is there better out there? Of coarse....the OP just stated the quality control issues he was having,after all,most buy gear from user reviews rather than manufacturers marketing mumbo jumbo.As much as Bose has taken it's knocks over the years,people still buy them,your Emo isn't going anywhere because someone had some issues with them,relax.
Man,6 pages??
One more thing,I saw a poster knock Jessie for being older not equateing to knowledge,maybe so,but Jessie,and some of us "older"folks have been alive long enough to have used countless brands with numerous variety's of gear,wire,amps,speakers,in so many variations,that I would trust their judgement over any marketing hype,any day.'nuff said.

[polkatese]

Blah! :p It's 5:30 in the morning here.
:o

I envy you, Keiko. When I used to commute to Oahu, morning time is my precious time, watching the sunrise from Rainbow tower at the village.

[Montoya]

Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my Emo. Prepare to die.

[Marty913]

Hopefully this thread will die now. It's overdue.

[reeltrouble1]

Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my Emo. Prepare to die.


I am sorry to hear of your loss.

It is always important to know that in each struggle innocent victims are caught unaware of the storm raging around them and suffer pain and death.

After due consideration of all the arguments I have decided that the Emo dissidents have just slightly edged out the Emo supporters. It was close and the supporters did launch a good counter-viewpoint, however, the train had already left the station and was too far down the track.

This decision is final with no appeal, per the Tickle my Emo decree ordered by the President.

Personally I will look into this product as soon as someone shows me where the Tubes are as that is all that really matters. Reeely.

RT1

[Bass_Pedal]

So let it be written, so let it be done.

[Retro152]

:D:D

H9, I have never seen bigred claim Emo to be the end-all of anything in this thread, or anywhere else.

Agree with you on that, as he wouldn't and shouldn't. Just expressing his opinion on equipment he's had extensive experience on, much the way an owner of Adcom, Rotel, etc, would. Yes, all tried and true proven gear. But absolutely not claiming it's the "end-all" and answer to our Hi-Fi dream's. Jesus, what the hell's wrong with buying affordable equipment, that at this early stage of it's infancy, seem's to be of decent quality?:confused: And sorry, the "Emo fan boy" label has gots ta go, were all "fan's" of OUR gear, be it: Yamaha, Denon, Pioneer,(Hell, im shoutin from the rooftop's about the sc-05). Rotel, Adcom, blah,blah,blah. We all felt compelled to join the Polk Audio forum for some strange reason, hmmmm........... got it! Because maybe were Polk Audio Fanboy's?:rolleyes:

[bigred7078]

What other "amps" have you heard compared to your Emo (besides the Odyssey). What design topologies have you decided to learn about to make an educated decision about what to buy? What truly high end components have you researched and listened to make such an absurd statement.



Seriously? Right so im going to take the time to type every amp i have heard AND tried on my system. Even if it did impress you, you would come up with some sort of response to try and beat me down or call me a liar so what the heck is the point? I have heard every amp topology on the market. There are also many amps i have not tried on the market and would still love to try out. Whats the difference between me and you? I actually allow products a chance and dont just write off everything i think is "below me". ;)

I also allow people the chance to make up their mind about a product. I dont try to shove it into peoples heads that it's junk and act like im doing them a favor, but come back after all that and say "but give it a chance if you want". I have been very defensive about emotiva on this board because its people like you who are so terribly misinformed about them trying to take little stabs at them for no other reason than your own fun and games. And i have NEVER said emotiva is the end all amp. In fact many times i have said its not. I also dont always recommend emotiva. So push your arrogance and elitist attitude aside and actually allow people to have a decent conversation about this.

[heiney9]

:D:D

H9, I have never seen bigred claim Emo to be the end-all of anything in this thread, or anywhere else.

Never said he did.

[bigred7078]

Never said he did.

you sure as heck implied it in this response to me.

"Those that trying to convince they are the next best thing since sliced bread.......get out and experience some audio gear......you can thank me later"

No one has even said Emotiva is the best thing since sliced bread. We are just defending it against arrogant elitists like yourself :)

[heiney9]

Seriously? Right so im going to take the time to type every amp i have heard AND tried on my system. Even if it did impress you, you would come up with some sort of response to try and beat me down or call me a liar so what the heck is the point? I have heard every amp topology on the market. There are also many amps i have not tried on the market and would still love to try out. Whats the difference between me and you? I actually allow products a chance and dont just write off everything i think is "below me". ;)

I also allow people the chance to make up their mind about a product. I dont try to shove it into peoples heads that it's junk and act like im doing them a favor, but come back after all that and say "but give it a chance if you want". I have been very defensive about emotiva on this board because its people like you who are so terribly misinformed about them trying to take little stabs at them for no other reason than your own fun and games. And i have NEVER said emotiva is the end all amp. In fact many times i have said its not. I also dont always recommend emotiva. So push your arrogance and elitist attitude aside and actually allow people to have a decent conversation about this.

WOW.............you've read ALOT into my posts. I also stated several times about my responses not being elitist or arrogant. I also never personally attacked you...........I see you seem to relish in attacking me.

I even threw out an olive branch admitting that the rhetoric had gotten out of control, but you seem intent on continuing this rampage for Emo and against everyone who might question the brand and it's position in the market place.

Glad your happy with your Emotiva gear, rock on and don't take things so seriously..... you are getting wat to bent out of shape considering this is an internet forum........and people like to push buttons ;);)

[heiney9]

you sure as heck implied it in this response to me.

"Those that trying to convince they are the next best thing since sliced bread.......get out and experience some audio gear......you can thank me later"

No one has even said Emotiva is the best thing since sliced bread. We are just defending it against arrogant elitists like yourself :)

Apparently you think you are part of "those". Never said you or anyone else specifically........if the shoe fits.......

[metal83]

Wow, this is one of the most active threads i've seen in quite a while, considering it's only a little over a day old. It definitely seems to have run it's course though, apparently opinions differ greatly, and it's basically all subjective. It's just a shame to see people chastise Emotiva over ads and pricing, when they have clearly never even physically seen, touched, or most importantly heard their products.

But it is what it is i guess, and to each his own...:)

Have fun!

[reeltrouble1]

yawn................

scratches self.

hears echo

nothing new, groundhog day.

RT1

[polkatese]

can we talk about Gemstone Blue Diamond amp now? I bet no one has heard about it either, hah. :)

[F1nut]

If you believe that being around "long enough" makes you all knowing than you are truly foolish.

Hilarious.

[megasat16]

Those who knows know. Those who don't know don't know. Those who doesn't know they don't know don't know about it (so they argue).

Those who have read it knows it. Those who didn't read it don't know it. So, no arguments needed there.

Those who knows what can exist and what can't will simply disagree with over the top claims. It doesn't mean BASHING, or hate or subjective comment.

EMO lovers boys! I don't say your EMO doesn't rock. Nothing to say about EMO stuff. Play Music Loud on Your EMO gears and be proud. :cool::p;)

FYI, this is my last post in this thread. ;):)

[metal83]

Can't we all just get along? :p:D

By the way, the Emotiva XPA-3 is my first amp, so i can't and won't say it's better or worse than anything else. It sounds great to me, but i have nothing to compare it with yet. I'd honestly love to try out other brands and see how they compare. That's part of the fun!!!! :)

[bigred7078]

WOW.............you've read ALOT into my posts. I also stated several times about my responses not being elitist or arrogant. I also never personally attacked you...........I see you seem to relish in attacking me.

I even threw out an olive branch admitting that the rhetoric had gotten out of control, but you seem intent on continuing this rampage for Emo and against everyone who might question the brand and it's position in the market place.

Glad your happy with your Emotiva gear, rock on and don't take things so seriously..... you are getting wat to bent out of shape considering this is an internet forum........and people like to push buttons ;);)

Think what you want man..

And im no more bent out of shape then yourself that claims to care less about emotiva but has spent alot of time in this thread with post after post.

[fossy]

:D:D

If someone wants to send me some EMO --- I'd try it out

specifically the RSP-2

[parasomia]

This thread gives me Anxiety :D

Seriously though, there will always be people that Like or Dislike a product. Not much you can do about that besides say "F' off, I like what I got".

I bought the XPA-3 because I needed something to power the Lsi9's and I certainly had a budget. It is performing amazing for me. Even if I could have spent more I probably would Not have went much higher. That is just me though. I'm no expert on all of this. I know that. But my ears have been listening to sound since I was born.. and they ain't complaining :P I'm quite pleased and that is what it really comes down to.

I run 2 Alpine amps in my car powering some Polk MoMo's and an Alpine sub. Those amps weren't expensive either and I'm quite pleased with their performance as well. It has been said on here many times that more money doesn't = greatness. It is just up to the individual.

*shrugs

[Erik Tracy]

If it helps to deflect the angst - you can pile on my pos 'thumpy' Carver M1.0-t ...:D

I have a thick skin....:p

[cnh]

Hey,

Let's all relax. They're only amps after all. No sense in coming to blows over all this. There are amps that cost 10s of thousands out there and there are great amps that cost much less.

I heard a 10k amp once that really s....d! A lot of us realize that the subjectivity involved in high end audio is unbelievable! And that some prices are just obscene and unwarranted. Names for the sake of names. Is there Elitism...sure! But that's not what we're here for.

I thought we were hear to share and learn from each other? No? I'm sold Emotivas are good amps in their range. Are there better, well I don't really see that Heiney and Bigred are even disagreeing with each other?

So I think we're OK here. No?

cnh

[Lowell_M]

If it helps to deflect the angst - you can pile on my pos 'thumpy' Carver M1.0-t ...:D

I have a thick skin....:p

Carvers suck and that company will never last. :mad:


(how was that?:rolleyes:)

[george daniel]

Tubes Rule

Oops,, wrong thread,, sorry.:o

[Erik Tracy]

Carvers suck and that company will never last. :mad:


(how was that?:rolleyes:)

It stung...momentarily...then it passed :p

I do love the way the leds dance up and down to the music - if anything I get some visual entertainment out of ol 'thumpy' :D

[Marty913]

I'm out, both reading and responding. It's gotten pointless and personal.

It's like Spanky and Alfalfa down at the He Man Woman Haters Club.

[cfrizz]

JHC! I sign out last night with 3 pages & check in today to see it's up to 7!

It really is quite simple. Emo is a good product for a great price that allows people with limited budgets get their first real taste of what separates can add to a system.

Is there better out there? Of course there is. Can you get something that is perceived as better (BECAUSE OF IT'S NAME) for around the same money? Of course if you are willing to buy used. Some are not willing to do so, and that is just fine.

If you have moved on to higher end gear, that is just fine, congrats & enjoy. There really isn't a need for you to put Emo down just because you have moved on to something more expensive.

If you haven't tried ANY Emo gear or higher end gear...then WTF is your problem?

As stated before ALL electronics manufacturers run into problem INCLUDING the "Name" companies.

We are ALL adults here & can most likely tell when something is a bunch of hyperbole advertising. That in NO way suggest that said product is NOT what is, or NOT do what it's supposed to do.

As the old saying goes, if you have nothing good to say, say nothing. Let those who have purchased Emo gear & are reaping the rewards of better sound enjoy it. And also let them spread the word that it offers a very good improvement for reasonable money.

That should be the whole point, getting improved sound regardless of the name on the damn box or how much money was or wasn't spent!

[fossy]

it's like spanky and alfalfa down at the he man woman haters club.

now that's funny, don't care who ya are .....

[broncsrule21@]

Thanks cfrizz. i think you said it all.

Polk fanboy out!

[Lowell_M]

It stung...momentarily...then it passed :p

I do love the way the leds dance up and down to the music - if anything I get some visual entertainment out of ol 'thumpy' :D

I friend of mine had a M1.0t and I considered getting one just because I got a kick out of the led's :D

[GV#27]

Obviously the country of origin and direct sales help Emo keep the pricing low but from the pics I have seen of some of their models the parts quality looks to be quite respectable for the asking price.
Film caps abound ,big toroids,tons of filter capacitance and they use the excellent BJT output transistors sourced from ON Semi who also happen supply the likes of Krell,Bryston and Marsh.

Ofcourse parts quality is only part of the story,the circuit design(topology) and board layout are extremely important. The first real hi fi amp I owned was the classic NAD 3020B integrated circa 85.It was inexpensive and built like a piece of crap with very low quality parts but it was sonically superior to better built amps cost many times more.Bjorn Erik Edvardsen the designer did a brilliant job engineering the circuit to sound good despite the poor parts quality..

The right ingredients appear to be there for a skilled designer to make a good sounding amp.On the other hand just because it uses the same (or atleast similar)output transistors as Bryston doesn't mean it will have the same neutral and transparent True Reference SQ as Stuart Taylor squeezed out of the SST's.

In fact they use a triple darlington output stage in some models.While this configuration has excellent low impedance drive capability it is not known as the most neutral sounding approach.
I would also wonder about long term reliability which can be an issue with asian built product.Also does it need aggressive protection circuits to protect it from itself?(like a well known Class D amp):D


Anyway if it happens to sound good and proves to be reliable then congrats to them.


just my $.02

[bartimus]

McIntosh, Krell, Mark Levinson, EMO, Carver...hell give me my Emerson and Kraco system, a bud light and a pack of filterless camels....it dont get no better than that.:eek:


Seriously, I never heard anything from EMO. I have heard a really nice sounding pair of Krells that cost more than a nice car, and weighed nearly as much as one, but come on....if someone likes a particular brand of amp, and likes the company that sells it...dont bash em. I'll tell you, the same day I listened to those Krells...I also listened to a set of Adcom monos hooked up to the same speakers and had a VERY tough time telling any difference. Maybe an extended listening period would reveal some minor differences, but for the cost difference...I'd buy the Adcoms. I have frequented the Emotiva web site and wonder if their claims are warranted, but I can tell you this...the minute I scrounge up another $800...there is going to be a new XP2 sitting in my rack! Then I can decide for myself what I think and who gives a flying f**k what others think.:D

[comfortablycurt]

No, you don't want them to fail, you just have no problem bashing them apparently, because that's what other people are doing, so why not fit in right...:rolleyes:

Again...no one is bashing them. Just saying that they aren't the "best thing since sliced bread" that a lot of people make them out to be.




So Emotiva products are for less fortunate people now, basically is what your saying? :rolleyes:

Not at all...but some people aren't willing to spend as much as others, and don't want to buy used. For those people, Emo is one of the best options out there. It's not for "less fortunate" people, but for the people that don't want to spend as much.




Ok, you haven't completely ruled them out, i could of sworn you basically said you had somewhere in this long but ridiculous thread.

I never ruled them out, simply stated that I probably wouldn't be going with them now.


Best bang for the buck, and best bang that fits in your price range, are essentially the same thing you know. Aren't we all trying to get the best bang for the buck with anything we buy, not just audio equipment?

They aren't at all the same thing. Emo is likely the best bang for the buck, if you're looking to buy a NEW product, while spending the least amount of money possible.

Just because it's the best bang for the buck, doesn't mean that it's the best bang for my buck. I'm willing to spend more than Emotivas prices on amps when it comes time to get amps for my HT setup, and I don't mind buying used equipment. My price range for a 5-channel HT amp is going to be somewhere in the 1200ish range, when I'm ready to make that jump. For 1200 dollars, I can do much better than Emotiva from what I've seen. Especially when you consider that an amp that goes for 1200 dollars used, was likely in the 2000ish range when new. There is a lot of truth to the saying "you get what you pay for".

There's obviously a lot of subjectivity when it comes to this subject.

A lot still remains to be seen with Emo too. How do their products stand the test of time? No one really knows yet at this point.

[Face]

Curt, do you like to argue for the sake of arguing?

[metal83]

Again...no one is bashing them. Just saying that they aren't the "best thing since sliced bread" that a lot of people make them out to be.

Some people definitely seem to be bashing them, but i honestly don't really care, it doesn't make me enjoy my XPA-3 any less.


Not at all...but some people aren't willing to spend as much as others, and don't want to buy used. For those people, Emo is one of the best options out there. It's not for "less fortunate" people, but for the people that don't want to spend as much.

Agreed.


I never ruled them out, simply stated that I probably wouldn't be going with them now.

No skin off my back, to each his own...:p


They aren't at all the same thing. Emo is likely the best bang for the buck, if you're looking to buy a NEW product, while spending the least amount of money possible.

Just because it's the best bang for the buck, doesn't mean that it's the best bang for my buck. I'm willing to spend more than Emotivas prices on amps when it comes time to get amps for my HT setup, and I don't mind buying used equipment. My price range for a 5-channel HT amp is going to be somewhere in the 1200ish range, when I'm ready to make that jump. For 1200 dollars, I can do much better than Emotiva from what I've seen. Especially when you consider that an amp that goes for 1200 dollars used, was likely in the 2000ish range when new. There is a lot of truth to the saying "you get what you pay for".

Best bang for the buck, is best bang for the buck. It's all personal opinion no matter how much bang your getting for the buck you're willing to spend. This phrase can be applied to anything, not just Emo.


There's obviously a lot of subjectivity when it comes to this subject.

A lot still remains to be seen with Emo too. How do their products stand the test of time? No one really knows yet at this point.

Agreed.

And just to clarify, i'm no Emotiva fanboy or anything. This is my first amp and it sounds great to me, so of course i'm going to be excited about it. But that doesn't mean i think it's the best out there, or the end all be all of amps.

Honestly, i'd love to try out some other amps just to compare for myself and get some more experience. I think it would be a hell of a lot of fun, and i'm sure i'll try others eventually. :D



Wow, i should of just stayed out of this thread, way too much drama!!! :eek::eek::eek:

[comfortablycurt]

Curt, do you like to argue for the sake of arguing?

Absolutely, it's my favorite thing in the world.;)




Wow, i should of just stayed out of this thread, way too much drama!!! :eek::eek::eek:

That's what I'm thinking...lol

Seriously though, I can't wait to get my ears on an Emo to see what all the hype is about. They're obviously a great performing amp, especially for the money. With how many happy customers they have, they must have something good going.

There's supposed to be an XPA-5 at the next RAS meeting, and I'll be there, so hopefully soon I'll get my ears on some Emo equipment.

Good to hear you're enjoying your amp though, that's what it's all about. If you're enjoying it, then it was money very well spent.:)

[Keiko]

In my land we use emo's to kalua pork.

Edit:
No wait, those are imu's. Never mind. :p

[Gaara]

can we talk about Gemstone Blue Diamond amp now? I bet no one has heard about it either, hah. :)

The Cinenova killer? That thing was BIG over on AVS, if I recall correctly that is Steve Heralla's (sp) company, same guy who runs Sound&Video.

[MikeC78]

This thread is absolutely hillarious and ridiculous at the same time...

I've been here a while and can tell you that 90% of folks here think their equipment is the best possible for the money. When you put your own cash into it, it's hard to discuss its warts.

[reeltrouble1]

Its GroundHog Day again.... the echoes continue.

RT1

[bigred7078]

Its GroundHog Day again.... the echoes continue.

RT1

lol oh goodness

[shack]

Its GroundHog Day again.... the echoes continue.

RT1

Does that mean we have 6 more weeks of this thread? :eek:

Not that it would be a bad thing. I thoroughly enjoy a good pointless, nonsensical, fanboy, hater, tête-Ã*-tête (in the privacy of one's little computer space). Nothing is more entertaining than baseless arguments pro and con about things no one else really cares about.

However...I now know much more about EMUs (the big bird) and IMUs (the hole in the ground not the idiot talk show guy).

And BTW Ricardo....THIS is all YOUR fault...you elitist, audiophool, pot stirrer! ;)

[thsmith]

And BTW Ricardo....THIS is all YOUR fault...you elitist, audiophool, pot stirrer! ;)

:eek: NO WAY :rolleyes:

[reeltrouble1]

yea Ricardo

just one thing

So when YOU sent the Emo back did they pay for the shipping each time.........


hehehehehehhehehe

Shack Daddy Go Play with your NAD'S.

RT1--OUT

[Ricardo]

And BTW Ricardo....THIS is all YOUR fault...you elitist, audiophool, pot stirrer! ;)

I plead innocent. One thing though, I've had lots of fun seeing how people from both sides get so serious about it. Let this thread live forever!!!

(You guys should thank me; I've contributed to reduce boredom).



So when YOU sent the Emo back did they pay for the shipping each time.........

Nope. And I'm pissed about that. Planning to start another thread on this, but only when this one dies. Subject will be something like "Audio Company Successful Financial Model: repeatedly send faulty units to naive customers, charging them freight both ways (in advance). Proceeds used to bribe Nelson Pass to sign off designs."

[timlitton]

I vote we just make this the new clubhouse and hang out in here ... FOREVER.

MWAHH HAA HAA HAA

[heiney9]

Proceeds used to bribe Nelson Pass to sign off designs."

Everybody wants to be able to say "It's a Nelson Pass design":p:D

A new Ultra Reference amp is coming out under the Emotiva Moniker, it's called EMOTIVASS and has Nelson's signature which lights up in cool blue florescent display...........

It's pronounced EH-MOE-TIVE-ASS. Of course there will be a $200 price bump because of license fee's, etc.

H9

[shack]

Everybody wants to be able to say "It's a Nelson Pass design":p:D

A new Ultra Reference amp is coming out under the Emotiva Moniker, it's called EMOTIVASS and has Nelson's signature which lights up in cool blue florescent display...........

It's pronounced EH-MOE-TIVE-ASS. Of course there will be a $200 price bump because of license fee's, etc.

H9

Yes...that's cool and all...but will it be THX certified?

[bigred7078]

Yes...that's cool and all...but will it be THX certified?

do you really want to raise the prices? ;)

[Ricardo]

Yes...that's cool and all...but will it be THX certified?

Damn. There goes a few more shipping expenses for me :mad:

Stop giving ideas !!!!!!

[LessisNevermore]

Everybody wants to be able to say "It's a Nelson Pass design":p:D

A new Ultra Reference amp is coming out under the Emotiva Moniker, it's called EMOTIVASS and has Nelson's signature which lights up in cool blue florescent display...........

It's pronounced EH-MOE-TIVE-ASS. Of course there will be a $200 price bump because of license fee's, etc.

H9

What have we here?
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a132/BF51/H9.jpg
:D:D:D

[Lowell_M]

Oh my god its still going.....

[heiney9]

What have we here?
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a132/BF51/H9.jpg
:D:D:D

I guess that means the female cheer-leader is now nekkid..........where'd she go :D.

[Bass_Pedal]

I have decided that I am not going to create a post in this thread complaining about how long and meaningless it is, because if I do I will be adding to its length and longevity. Therefore I will sit idly by my keyboard, hoping that it will meet its end shortly. Oh wait... Damn!

[shack]

Therefore I will sit idly by my keyboard, hoping that it will meet its end shortly. Oh wait... Damn!

Why would anyone want this to end....:confused:

The possibility of pointless tangents is nearly limitless...

We've just now had a post about naked cheerleaders...

Viva la thread!

[reeltrouble1]

I guess that means the female cheer-leader is now nekkid..........where'd she go :D.

That outfit belongs to Doro.

RT1

[unbridled_id]

You are still the same self-righteous cunt you were the last time I saw you.

[Hawkeye]

This thread is absolutely hillarious and ridiculous at the same time...

I've been here a while and can tell you that 90% of folks here think their equipment is the best possible for the money. When you put your own cash into it, it's hard to discuss its warts.

Since we're now going off on tangents, I'll mention the warts of my system:

The amps don't get hot enought to heat the room. I have a terrible electric bill and I'm not getting my moneys worth of heat.

Glass fronts are very difficult to keep fingerprints off. Especially when grandkids show up.

My grandson (4 years old) decided his animal crackers, mushy and wet, belonged smeared on the panels of my Spires.

Found the dog tangled up in speaker wire and could not get out!

How's that for some warts?

Gordon

[heiney9]

You are still the same self-righteous cunt you were the last time I saw you.


WOW................no emoticons and such language.

[Face]

WOW................no emoticons and such language.
He's still upset that he can't hear the difference between power cords.

[reeltrouble1]

You are still the same self-righteous cunt you were the last time I saw you.

I have found that when dealing with an overly righteous right sided love muffin the best course of action is just work it, the left side then becomes insanely jealous and closes in the gap, leaving everything.........as the baby bear said

Just right.

RT1

[MikeC78]

Since we're now going off on tangents, I'll mention the warts of my system:

The amps don't get hot enought to heat the room. I have a terrible electric bill and I'm not getting my moneys worth of heat.

Glass fronts are very difficult to keep fingerprints off. Especially when grandkids show up.

My grandson (4 years old) decided his animal crackers, mushy and wet, belonged smeared on the panels of my Spires.

Found the dog tangled up in speaker wire and could not get out!

How's that for some warts?

Gordon

Tangents?:confused: Who is on the tangent here?

Sounds like you have a real serious case of the warts, better get those treated!:p

[Marty913]

Since we're now going off on tangents, I'll mention the warts of my system:

The amps don't get hot enought to heat the room. I have a terrible electric bill and I'm not getting my moneys worth of heat.Gordon

Buy an Onkyo Receiver :rolleyes::rolleyes::D

[LessisNevermore]

Since we're now going off on tangents, I'll mention the warts of my system:

The amps don't get hot enought to heat the room. I have a terrible electric bill and I'm not getting my moneys worth of heat.

See H9's class A's

Glass fronts are very difficult to keep fingerprints off. Especially when grandkids show up.

Fingerprints can help break up micro and macro reflections

My grandson (4 years old) decided his animal crackers, mushy and wet, belonged smeared on the panels of my Spires.

Think of it as free sound treatment, just not sugar free..

Found the dog tangled up in speaker wire and could not get out!

Sounds like the active cable elevators I planned to market. Damn you.;)

How's that for some warts?

Gordon

Warts? You got no steeenking warts!:D:D

[Keiko]

Buy an Onkyo Receiver :rolleyes::rolleyes::D
No way! I'm a Yamaha fanboy. ;)

[SCompRacer]

No way! I'm a Yamaha fanboy. ;)

Here you go, yammy fanboy!;) My retro gear. Or was you talkin new yammy?
http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp260/scompracer/Retro/yammy.jpg

[cnh]

I remember those.

How about some specs for that amp? And how did you keep those in such MINT condition?

cnh

[SCompRacer]

I remember those.

How about some specs for that amp? And how did you keep those in such MINT condition?

cnh

Check here, http://www.classicaudio.com/value/yam/CA800.html
that was back in the pick-a-spec days. 50WPC both driven, 20-20KHz would be the one.

The amp was purchased from a CP forum member, the tuna from ebay. I just have to keep them this way.;) This is for my basement system.

[Keiko]

I have a newer RX-797 2 channel receiver Rich. And those separates are gorgeous! :)

[SCompRacer]

And those separates are gorgeous!

Thanks. I kinda liked the old Yamaha gear.

[Keiko]

Thanks. I kinda liked the old Yamaha gear.
Absolutely, I like the old Sansui stuff to. They just don't make things like that anymore.

[Lowell_M]

Here you go, yammy fanboy!;) My retro gear. Or was you talkin new yammy?
http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp260/scompracer/Retro/yammy.jpg

That looks World Reference Class right there and spanks Emo's mom.

[shack]

I'm a Silver Pioneer Fanboy......

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