Velo SMS-1 on it's way.

[pearsall001]

With the sale that Outlaw's having on them at $399 I just couldn't pass it up. Since the weather's still pretty nasty here, I'll have plenty of time to play around with it. A few Polkies have the unit & sing high praises about it.

[Sherardp]

You'll like it, it really helps out allot and can make a good sub, perform even better. Congrats

[Ern Dog]

With the sale that Outlaw's having on them at $399 I just couldn't pass it up. Since the weather's still pretty nasty here, I'll have plenty of time to play around with it. A few Polkies have the unit & sing high praises about it.

That's a dang good price! Your velo subs have a built in room correction EQ system, so why would you need the SMS-1?

My sms was awesome with my previous sub- it took it to a whole new level. I just ordered a Velo spl-1500r yesterday and looking forward to checking the how well the sub EQ does using my SMS-1, then I'm planning on selling it. I guess I could also see using the sms to really dial in the cross-over point.

[pearsall001]

That's a dang good price! Your velo subs have a built in room correction EQ system, so why would you need the SMS-1?


My exact question...that's why I called Velodyne & asked them if I would be wasting my money since the SPL has the built in EQ system. Answer...the SMS-1 is a more detailed program & will elevate the SPL's performance. The SPL's EQ system does an excellent job...but if it can be improved, why not. Especially at this price.

Why stick with a 100w amp when you can have a 300w amp. The more the better!!! :D

[Hawkeye]

Phil does this mean you gave up on the speaker change and you're only feeding the "upgrade something bug"? :D

Gordon

[pearsall001]

Phil does this mean you gave up on the speaker change and you're only feeding the "upgrade something bug"? :D

Gordon

Sometimes one must just give one's own ass a good kicking!!! :D As I just listened to Patricia Barber & now Jane Monheit is smacking her lips...I must ask myself - What the HELL was I thinking!!! & proceded to kick myself in the arse! All is good Gordon.

I wonder if Terminix can do something about that bug?

[Ern Dog]

My exact question...that's why I called Velodyne & asked them if I would be wasting my money since the SPL has the built in EQ system. Answer...the SMS-1 is a more detailed program & will elevate the SPL's performance. The SPL's EQ system does an excellent job...but if it can be improved, why not. Especially at this price.

Why stick with a 100w amp when you can have a 300w amp. The more the better!!! :D

Ok, that makes sense. I guess we'll both be able to see if what they said is true very shortly. Post your impressions of the SMS.

[treitz3]

Phil, that's a smokin' price! When you mention that it's an enhanced program, you are kinda right. From what I understand, you have a sub that has a built in EQ for room corrections. Well that's matching the sub to the room's acoustics. Where the SMS-1 steps in is it not only matches the sub to the rooms acoustics but it matches the mains to the rooms acoustics as well and here's where the magic happens......It integrates seamlessly the sub to the mains with an infinite amount of precision settings that will make your [done correctly] sub disappear and be one with the mains and the room.

Big difference between that and just EQ'ing the sub to the room.

[pearsall001]

Phil, that's a smokin' price! When you mention that it's an enhanced program, you are kinda right. From what I understand, you have a sub that has a built in EQ for room corrections. Well that's matching the sub to the room's acoustics. Where the SMS-1 steps in is it not only matches the sub to the rooms acoustics but it matches the mains to the rooms acoustics as well and here's where the magic happens......It integrates seamlessly the sub to the mains with an infinite amount of precision settings that will make your [done correctly] sub disappear and be one with the mains and the room.

Big difference between that and just EQ'ing the sub to the room.

Yep! the SPL does an excellent job, but it only has a limited function. You set up the mic & run the EQ program. It sends out sweep signals then calibrates itself to the room. That's it though, no other settings that you can do. Now the SMS-1 is a whole different animal. You can custom tailor the whole sub setup to your room, your mains & there's still plenty of real time tweaking that you can perform. The whole graph is right on your TV a7 you actually see the response curve's change as you tweak it. This should be a lot of fun.

But I must say, right now my dual SPL's sound fantastic, but if this gizmo takes them up another notch...I'll be one happy camper.

[treitz3]

I don't think that you will be disappointed in the very least. I absolutely love mine. The #1 comment at a recent audio get together about my rig? "I can't believe how well the sub integrates with the mains, I can't even tell where the sub is". That was in a not so acoustically friendly environment too.

Plus, if you ever want to get true stereo subs, you can always daisy chain the SMS-1's.

[pearsall001]

I don't think that you will be disappointed in the very least. I absolutely love mine. The #1 comment at a recent audio get together about my rig? "I can't believe how well the sub integrates with the mains, I can't even tell where the sub is". That was in a not so acoustically friendly environment too.

Plus, if you ever want to get true stereo subs, you can always daisy chain the SMS-1's.

Now I know who to talk to if I have any questions. It sounds like you know all the techinical stuff when it comes to this unit. Stay tuned, I'm sure I'll need your advice.

[treitz3]

You do know about the Outlaw manual for it right? It's a little bit more cut and dry than the Velo manual. I'll see if I can't find you a link. I have it around here somewhere.

Ah, here it is.... http://pdf.outlawaudio.com/outlaw/docs/sms1guide.pdf

I would recommend reading this one first and reading it as the unit is being shipped. That way, at least you are a little bit familiarized with the unit and how it works. It may take me some time to find it, but I have a cheat sheet on how to hook it up within 5 minutes without confusing the hell out of you. Even with two instruction manuals, I still had to call Velo with some questions on how to hook the daggum thing up. Once that task was completed??? It was off to work the magic.

[treitz3]

Here you go.

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee287/treitz3/DCAM0429.jpg

[pearsall001]

Hey, thanks. I'll print it out & get familiar with the setup before it arrives. Nothing like having a go-to guy if I get in a pickle.

Then again half the fun is learning as you go & being able to max the performance out of it.

[Ern Dog]

Have you had a chance to tweak around with your new toy? Give us an update about it.

[pearsall001]

Have you had a chance to tweak around with your new toy? Give us an update about it.

Hopefully I'll have time to play with it tomorrow.

[treitz3]

You are talking about the SMS-1 right? :eek: :p :D

[pearsall001]

You are talking about the SMS-1 right? :eek: :p :D

That's it alright!!! :D

[PSOVLSK]

Thread jack alert.

What am I missing??? I have my SMS-1 hooked up just as trietz3 has shown in post #13 and I have a pretty flat response across the board. My problem is that in a later section of the manual it discusses hooking the R/L out on the AVR to the R/L input and then running the output to my amp. How can I do this if I have the sub connected to the input and output? Am I only supposed to hook it up this way to set it up and then hook it back up like I have it now? I've been very happy with the results so far and it's actually been easier than I anticipated, but this part I just don't get. Maybe I'm overthinking it.

Thanks,

Paul

[treitz3]

I'm a little lost on your question. #14 gives the pre the signal sweep. #13 gives the sub the sweep. Those are your two outputs. The only input the SMS-1 needs is the one from your pre.

[PSOVLSK]

I currently have my sub-out from my AVR going to #17. I have the sub-out on the SMS(#13) going to my sub. This works fine.

But...

On the next to last paragraph on page 12 of the Outlaw guide, I'm reading it to say: hook up the R/L from the AVR pre-outs into #17, then run the output (#14) to the R/L inputs of my amp.

Am I completely reading this wrong?

I'm happy with the results I've gotten, but if I can dial it in even more I obviously would like to do so.

Thanks for your help Tom. The best advice you could give me might be to just stop while it's still working;)

[treitz3]

I would recommend not using the LFE on the AVR as the internal x-over in it may differ from what the SMS-1 wants to do. Let the SMS-1 do the active crossover duty and feed the signal back to the AVR. Simply put, hook up the R/L from the AVR pre-outs into #17, then run the output (#14) to the R/L inputs of my amp.

I would also add that you want to disable any crossover whatsoever that the AVR has going on [refer to the owners manual or perform a factory reset if it has that option] and set all frequency adjustment knobs to completely flat. Disable any EQ or Audessey programs as well. Then let the SMS-1 work it's magic.

You can try the auto feature on the SMS-1 first to see what the end result would be and then go into the advance settings to fine tune the curve.

[PSOVLSK]

I think I've got it now. I had it set in my mind that I HAD to have the sub pre-out from the AVR going to the SMS-1. Thanks for the help Tom. Wasn't able to play with it last night...hold on, I can't say that:o Wasn't able to test it out last night:D Maybe tonight.