Deal's gone south threads.....

[brettw22]

If a deal goes south, I agree that it's right to bring it to light in the forum.

What I absolutely can't get over is the pack mentality of annihilating someone with every post.

I'm calling for this to stop/cease/end.

Well wishes for the buyer are sufficient, but this mantra of every derragatory thing said/done to a person is over the line.

I'm not excusing someone from messing up a sale........but there are way too many people that seem to act as if they've been personally wounded by someone elses deal. If THIS is your level of pain from a 3rd party's internet transaction, I'm almost afraid to ask how wounded you are with things in your daily lives.

How you benefit as a third party is you are given information which you can either use or not use in future transactions. That should be the end of your 'involvement' in the matter (other than the above mentioned well wishes to the buyer).

Unless you have direct information as to the cause of the deal going south, then I urge you to move along.

Quit turning these types of threads into character assassinations......please.

[heiney9]

WTF? do you have some links?

[reeltrouble1]

people have different opinions, if it get out of line the mods can handle, No???

of course worrying about the feelings of the perp is a trend, not one I worry about in my business, but definetly a trend.

RT1

[steveinaz]

Positive peer pressure is what keeps people honest. It's just a shame that nobody gives a damn enough anymore to apply it. Agree 100% Ted.

If you buy something and hit hard times, CALL THE SELLER. Surely something can be worked out--if nothing else, return the item or money. There's no excuse for "disappearing" PERIOD.

[danger boy]

i see both sides.. obviously we need to hear about some of the deals gone bad.. but do agree that we don't need to start a pack mentality and bash the seller for the next 6 months.

As i said before in one of the other threads. I was just surprised that this member is acting they way he is. given that he's been on here for a number of years and participated regurlarly.

So if the mods or Justin haven't had a problem with it so far... I assume that they are not concerned about it either, unless is gets downright nasty.. which I hope it doesn't.

[brettw22]

Positive peer pressure is what keeps people honest.Agreed......but these threads NEVER contain anything in the realm of 'positive'............

[George Grand]

The newbie "pandering" to the pack is extra special this week.

[Jstas]

The newbie "pandering" to the pack is extra special this week.

What do you mean "this week"? That implies it had not only a start point but an end point as well and I have not seen the latter as of yet.



Brett, this is history again, I agree with you completely. What is that? Like the 2nd or 3rd time?

I think it's good that everyone watches out for each other and even just saying something like "Yo, dude, that's not how bidness is handled here. Straighten up and fly right." is barely needed. But the constant bashing of others when we know nothing of their situation besides one side of the story presented is quite tiresome.

Then everyone wonders why the guy won't speak up. He's afraid of getting ganged up on! Everyone hits problems. Yeah, you shouldn't buy if you can't pay...yada, yada, yada. We all know the deal. But honestly, all you need is a little communication. Give the guy a chance to communicate his situation. If he ends up being a jerk about it, have at it.

Otherwise, we all run in to problems. I know I've had a couple transactions get behind because I was tied up with personal things. A simple note to the seller with a reasonable explanation and a new time line on when to expect a payment was all that was needed to straighten stuff out.

Bottom line, if you are gonna buy, communicate. If you are gonna sell, communicate. Be flexible and reasonable but don't abuse the generosity of others. Above all, each name on this forum has a person behind it. We are all human. Remember that. If you wouldn't feel comfortable saying it in person, don't post it here.

[TECHNOKID]

The newbie "pandering" to the pack is extra special this week.Thanks for for pointing to this thread George. I'll stay away from that discussion as you guys are right, not exactly positive. Matter of fact, I joined the club on jan 2008 and after surfing through some discussions and reading some kind of war between members, I decided to stay away from this forum as it didn't seem to be what I was looking for (only wanted to know better about Polk, get some pointers on my new aquisitions and share with people that shared the same passion. So, I should have known better and simply ackowledge the buyer's lost. What got me going strong in the negative discussion was that MrNightly was very compassionate about the seller's situation and from what I see from his sharing on the forum is a respected member and those are values I highly respect still, I shouldn't have digged in to the negativity and argumenting.

However ;) your above comment isn't that much better! I always take this lightly but it always puts a smile on my face when I see the "newbie" expression used in somewhat in a prejudice way. The way I see it, this is the internet and while conversations are virtual, not seeing and not knowing who we are dealing with, I find very erronic when people think or take for granted that so called Newbies don't know what they are talking about. No offense, just food for tought...

Anyway, to go back to this discussion, thank you again George for pointing me to the wisdom of this discussion. As I said, I'll stay away from it as I know the best the best way not to keep such discussion going is not to respond. I share your concerns and surely hope it doesn't go sour as the main goal of forums are for knowledge and passion sharing.

Cheers!
René

[treitz3]

Brett, you posted in that thread and it wasn't a positive post. Also, never say never. Mr Nightly was wished good luck from Mr. Grand and post #57 had some positive things to say.

Why would you make a negative post in a thread you just made a thread to call out such behavior?

I'm not confronting, just pointing out.......

[brettw22]

Devil's Advocate arguement here......but I'd bet anyone out to 'scam' people would be doing so for a hell of a lot more than $400.

I'm not excusing his actions, but I certainly wouldn't be getting involved in any transactions with him either at this point........I think the above pretty squarely reflects my statement of:How you benefit as a third party is you are given information which you can either use or not use in future transactions. That should be the end of your 'involvement' in the matter (other than the above mentioned well wishes to the buyer).The first part of that (Devil's Advocate) was addressing someone elses accusation of him setting out to SCAM the forum........

Are you sure you're talking about my posts?

[TECHNOKID]

Brett, you posted in that thread and it wasn't a positive post. Also, never say never. Mr Nightly was wished good luck from Mr. Grand and post #57 had some positive things to say.

Why would you make a negative post in a thread you just made a thread to call out such behavior?

I'm not confronting, just pointing out.......I tried to figure out what you were talking about! I went back to the thread to figure it out, you got me working a little here, very good :D

[Pauly]

i see both sides.. obviously we need to hear about some of the deals gone bad.. but do agree that we don't need to start a pack mentality and bash the seller for the next 6 months.

As i said before in one of the other threads. I was just surprised that this member is acting they way he is. given that he's been on here for a number of years and participated regurlarly.

So if the mods or Justin haven't had a problem with it so far... I assume that they are not concerned about it either, unless is gets downright nasty.. which I hope it doesn't.
+1

Pauly

[cfrizz]

Unfortunately, this is PRECISELY what is NOT happening. If people would do the right thing & communicate, these threads wouldn't exist.

You kept whoever you were dealing with informed of the situation. With that happening there is nothing to complain about. That's the RIGHT way to handle a transaction.

Bottom line, if you are gonna buy, communicate. If you are gonna sell, communicate. Be flexible and reasonable but don't abuse the generosity of others. Above all, each name on this forum has a person behind it. We are all human. Remember that. If you wouldn't feel comfortable saying it in person, don't post it here.

[TECHNOKID]

The first part of that (Devil's Advocate) was addressing someone elses accusation of him setting out to SCAM the forum........As pointed out, there has been more than one person involved in the deal and it apparently happened on other forum(s) (correct me if I am wrong)

Originally Posted by brettw22
How you benefit as a third party is you are given information which you can either use or not use in future transactions. That should be the end of your 'involvement' in the matter (other than the above mentioned well wishes to the buyer).Agreed!Unfortunately, this is PRECISELY what is NOT happening. If people would do the right thing & communicate, these threads wouldn't exist.

You kept whoever you were dealing with informed of the situation. With that happening there is nothing to complain about. That's the RIGHT way to handle a transaction.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Jstas
Bottom line, if you are gonna buy, communicate. If you are gonna sell, communicate. Be flexible and reasonable but don't abuse the generosity of others. Above all, each name on this forum has a person behind it. We are all human. Remember that. If you wouldn't feel comfortable saying it in person, don't post it here.
+1

[CaligulaPolk]

we the mob love this sh!t :D

http://www.simpsoncrazy.com/movie/promo-angry-mob.jpg

[brettw22]

Seriously Caligula? I'm encouraging people to take the high road and you post that? That's not even humorous given the context of the entire thread..........

[George Grand]

And C3PO.

[F1nut]

The guy ripped off a lot of people and some of you want to go all PC over it. Screw that, bash the hell outta him. He deserves nothing less.

[nooshinjohn]

The guy ripped off a lot of people and some of you want to go all PC over it. Screw that, bash the hell outta him. He deserves nothing less.
ageed!!! they have sledge hammers on sale at home depot

[brettw22]

The guy ripped off a lot of people and some of you want to go all PC over it. Screw that, bash the hell outta him. He deserves nothing less.Jesse, not to be a dick, but this has nothing to do with PC so quit throwing that up everytime someone says something to the effect of "don't act like morons/idiots/crazies/etc"......

He isn't a 6 month member that pooch screwed people out of the gate.....he's been here for a while and something major happened to him and some deals got jacked. Let him get the deals addressed or whatever, but I don't see the benefit of y'all doin your chest thumping thing and getting your panties all twisted.......

The bashing is out of line......whether you agree with it or not.

[F1nut]

Bashing is not out of line, ripping someone off is.

[ben62670]

I love the way PC/tolerant people love to pass judgment/name call. His mom will be by soon to pat him on the back... Ooops "act like" thats different:rolleyes:

[nooshinjohn]

Jesse, not to be a dick, but this has nothing to do with PC so quit throwing that up everytime someone says something to the effect of "don't act like morons/idiots/crazies/etc"......

He isn't a 6 month member that pooch screwed people out of the gate.....he's been here for a while and something major happened to him and some deals got jacked. Let him get the deals addressed or whatever, but I don't see the benefit of y'all doin your chest thumping thing and getting your panties all twisted.......

The bashing is out of line......whether you agree with it or not.

not to put to fine a point on it, but just because someone's life is screwed does not in any way give the person a right to screw others lives up too. forgiving and overlooking such behavior is why our economy is screwed right now... "It's ok Bernie so you embesseled 70 BILLION, just give it back when you get a chance"... Bullshi* the way I see it is we gotta start standing up or you take it lying down. I agree that those with no stake in the matter could perhaps tone it down a bit, but if you screw someone... you know what to expect from this place already, hence few are willing to do so in the first place.

[Jstas]

not to put to fine a point on it, but just because someone's life is screwed does not in any way give the person a right to screw others lives up too. forgiving and overlooking such behavior is why our economy is screwed right now... "It's ok Bernie so you embesseled 70 BILLION, just give it back when you get a chance"... Bullshi* the way I see it is we gotta start standing up or you take it lying down. I agree that those with no stake in the matter could perhaps tone it down a bit, but if you screw someone... you know what to expect from this place already, hence few are willing to do so in the first place.

If an audio purchase of any kind is going to screw up your life then you need to re-evaluate your priorities.

And what's this "we gotta start standing up"? When did you get here? How long have you been active? The standing up for ourselves here has been going on long before you ever knew what Polk Audio was. The forum here has been around 10 years at least now. Business has been handled this way for that long. Previously, it was gems like wangotango who got the pile-on treatment. But lately it's been a herd mentality where every schlub gets dumped on no matter what. Usually by incensed long-timers and over-zealous n00bs looking to impress those long-timers and gain access in to the "inner circle".

Cool your jets, dude.

[brettw22]

Ben, if your feelings are still hurt from a few weeks ago, get over it.......

Any of y'all are free to point out where I said what has happened was OK or I've condoned his actions. He should be held accountable and fix what happened. If that's verbalized too gently for you.......who the eff cares. I'm certainly not gonna apologize for not acting 10.

Guess who has the right to be furious.......the one's who got the raw end of the deals. If y'all have to posture this much on an internet forum on something that doesn't even involve you directly, y'all have issues.

[F1nut]

If y'all have to posture this much on an internet forum on something that doesn't even involve you directly, y'all have issues.

Ya know, the funny thing here my friend? The same could be said to you. :D

[brettw22]

I absolutely get involved in issues that have a direct correlation with/on mmy life........really the difference isn't clear?

[snow]

Personally I dont see what all the fuss is about regarding the treatment of someone who cant seem to either communicate or keep there word. Anyone who has lurked on these boards for more than 30 days or has been a member for any period of time knows whats coming. I understand this fellow is going through a hard time in his life and I truly can sympathize with that but even if you were homeless you can still find a library or internet cafe to send a PM or email at. I also truly believe that if this bashing ganging up on or whatever you would like to call it didnt take place there would be far more bad deals happening.

My 2 cents



REGARDS SNOW

[snow]

If an audio purchase of any kind is going to screw up your life then you need to re-evaluate your priorities.

And what's this "we gotta start standing up"? When did you get here? How long have you been active? The standing up for ourselves here has been going on long before you ever knew what Polk Audio was. The forum here has been around 10 years at least now. Business has been handled this way for that long. Previously, it was gems like wangotango who got the pile-on treatment. But lately it's been a herd mentality where every schlub gets dumped on no matter what. Usually by incensed long-timers and over-zealous n00bs looking to impress those long-timers and gain access in to the "inner circle".

Cool your jets, dude. Inner circle of what? LMAOOOO And why should anyone feel the need to impress someone else online that they will in all likelyhood never meet? Geez if your that desperate for approval online then you really need help :D Sometimes I think people take this whole old timer/noob stuff way to seriously. This forum doesnt belong to any one individual or group of individuals rookies lifers or anyone in between John has the same right that you or anyone else has to speak his mind. Perhaps someday you will get ripped off for something and no one will say a word because they know that you would want them to mind there own buisness.:p



REGARDS SNOW

[Zero]

Brett,

You've been here nearly as long as I have. We've seen the same shit. We've also stepped in it enough to know the game, its players and its audience. Having said all that - do you really think your post will change the mechanics of this thing? I sympathize with your perspective, truly I do. When all is said and done, here's to hoping you'll relax into a nice hakuna matata. Cheers.

[mmadden28]

Isn't the Member Sales Rating supposed to make potential buyers and sellers aware?

Just curious if that's not enough.

[F1nut]

Yes it is, but IMO it's not enough. Anyone caught ripping off another member deserves to have their name dragged thru the mud for all to see. It's been CP's form of punishment since before I came here and it's one reason why we have a relatively safe flea market.

[Ricardo]

Yes it is, but IMO it's not enough. Anyone caught ripping off another member deserves to have their name dragged thru the mud for all to see. It's been CP's form of punishment since before I came here and it's one reason why we have a relatively safe flea market.

I'm with Jesse on this one.


I'm not excusing someone from messing up a sale........but there are way too many people that seem to act as if they've been personally wounded by someone elses deal. If THIS is your level of pain from a 3rd party's internet transaction, I'm almost afraid to ask how wounded you are with things in your daily lives.


Well Brett, it is OUR flea market, so I think everyone should feel wounded.

[heiney9]

Isn't the Member Sales Rating supposed to make potential buyers and sellers aware?

Just curious if that's not enough.

It's certainly ONE tool a buyer can use. I only have a seller rating of 4 because I just don't buy/sell a lot. I would never even consider not following thru on an obligation. A guy with a 40 rating might not feel the same way.

I've heard of people getting shafted on e-bay with sellers who have 100% positive for 1000 sales. It happens, but yes a large positive seller rating should give some piece of mind.

Here I would look more for a buyer/seller who has a "vested" interest in the forum and who is a valued contributor (not just post count). I've had some hairy deal with Agon/E-bay and luckily all the sellers were top notch in making sure things were right.

I've done the same as a seller here when I sold my sl2000's to a passer by. They both worked when they left here......when he got them (packed in the rdo boxes) one didn't work he claimed. I didn't hesitate to make it right because a $20 dispute just wasn't worth it. I refunded, no questions asked.

IMO, it's all in the communication. That's where many of these issues start sometimes. I am a freak about communication during a buy/sell/demo process. It's common sense and it's a courtesy far too many ignore.

If you can't be bothered or don't have the time to communicate and follow thru then you shouldn't be buying/selling stuff. PERIOD!

H9

[bruss]

+1. I cant stand thieves

Yes it is, but IMO it's not enough. Anyone caught ripping off another member deserves to have their name dragged thru the mud for all to see. It's been CP's form of punishment since before I came here and it's one reason why we have a relatively safe flea market.

[reeltrouble1]

I have had three deals go "south" in the FM twice the peer pressure and only the peer pressure enabled me to be paid in one case, and recieve the goods in another. I had "communicated" out my ass with the fellows. The thing is these folks "stop" communicating and disappear make empty statements and so on, just like in this case.

A Crook is a Crook, 400 dollars is major coin, the law has been broken, people should be upset when someone breaks the law. Lets the chips fall where they land with the membership. If you don't care easy enough to stay out of thread.

Only the mods have authority over the threads and will remove or shut down something inappropriate. Beyond that members have no authority about threads but are allowed to post their thoughts and feelings despite them being different from someone elses.

enough said for me.

RT1

[Jstas]

Inner circle of what? LMAOOOO And why should anyone feel the need to impress someone else online that they will in all likelyhood never meet? Geez if your that desperate for approval online then you really need help :D Sometimes I think people take this whole old timer/noob stuff way to seriously. This forum doesnt belong to any one individual or group of individuals rookies lifers or anyone in between John has the same right that you or anyone else has to speak his mind. Perhaps someday you will get ripped off for something and no one will say a word because they know that you would want them to mind there own buisness.:p



REGARDS SNOW

Stuff it. I put "inner circle" in quotes because it doesn't exist. GG was right. The pandering to the pack is old. If you're gonna have your own opinion, great! But jumping on a bash this dude bandwagon is just lame. Further more, commenting on the moral fortitude of a member that has been hanging around here 5-6 times longer than you is kind of crossing the line. Especially if said member has friends and connections and past experiences have been positive. How can a n00b comment on any of that if they haven't been around for it? It's not about who can what. It's about common respect. A n00b bashing someone with history is just out of line. I wouldn't stand idly by if a friend of mine was being harassed by another friend of mine who just met him. I think it sucks that others here allow it to happen. But see, that's what it's all about. We look out for each other. If the guy has personal issues at home, I more likely to try and work things out instead of kicking a guy when he's down and calling him trash, garbage, deadbeat and so on.

If you think the situation sucks, fine, I think it does too. Does that mean I have any right to pass judgment on someone else? No, it doesn't. I can only judge actions, not people. The offending actions were poor choices and the offending party needs to make right. His character doesn't need to be slaughtered, he already did that himself. The n00bs that don't know anyone more than a screen name certainly have even less place to bash someone than the old timers. IMO, nobody has the right to bash a bad seller/buyer. It's between the seller/buyer and no one else.

Also, don't preach to me. You have no idea who I am. I've been here much longer than you. I've had much more history here than you and I've had many more transactions in the flea market than the stupid little numbers next to my name suggest. You have no idea if I've been screwed over or not. So save the paternal lectures and condescension for someone else.

[Jstas]

I have had three deals go "south" in the FM twice the peer pressure and only the peer pressure enabled me to be paid in one case, and recieve the goods in another. I had "communicated" out my ass with the fellows. The thing is these folks "stop" communicating and disappear make empty statements and so on, just like in this case.

A Crook is a Crook, 400 dollars is major coin, the law has been broken, people should be upset when someone breaks the law. Lets the chips fall where they land with the membership. If you don't care easy enough to stay out of thread.

Only the mods have authority over the threads and will remove or shut down something inappropriate. Beyond that members have no authority about threads but are allowed to post their thoughts and feelings despite them being different from someone elses.

enough said for me.

RT1

No, you're right. At some point you gotta say enough is enough. But at the same time this is a buyer beware deal. When I enter a transaction, I make sure all pertinent info is exchanged. Email, phone number and address so I can find them. I ask for tracking numbers. A few have gotten pissed off that I asked for tracking numbers. But honestly, when it comes down to it, my interests are mine to protect. Even though things are pretty OK here, it's obvious that some times they aren't and one needs to protect themselves first.

As far as expressing opinions, yeah, great, you're right. But if some lame brain came in here with 200 posts under his belt and joined last week would you tolerate him bashing brettw22 over a deal with George Grand because, say, brettw22 stiffed him on a deal? I don't think you would. I know I wouldn't. You know both of them well. They have been here quite long and both are your buddies. Not to say that it would actually happen but if it did, you'd be pretty ticked off at the n00b for interjecting his inexperienced and misinformed opinion about either party or the transaction. He'd be out of line because, like Ricardo already said, it's YOUR flea market too just as they are YOUR friends too and you don't know this zipperhead n00b from spit so where does he get off mouthing off about anything?

So express opinions. That's fine. Speak your mind, that's fine too. But just like those speaking their mind about things they know nothing about I and Brett and others are allowed to speak our minds about how we think it sucks that Mouthy the n00b gets to run his mouth all over someone that he doesn't know at all but I've known for years and even shook the man's hand.

[CaligulaPolk]

its been few weeks/days.. No speakers or money back!! NO EXCUSE NO friend of mine steals stuff or disrespect good people who paid lot money

Let's pass more torches until he pay up!

http://www.simpsoncrazy.com/wallpapers/AngryMobFunRun_1280.jpg

Get em deadbeats

[Ricardo]

John, you can't avoid having the new members "participate". They are forum members too, and though I fully agree that sometimes some of these new members act like if they have been here for years, some are annoying, and some are just plain stupid, that's just the way things are.

Welcome to the internet.

Edit: just to be fair, there are also some new members that contribute and bring good things to the forum, as there are also old members that are annoying and stupid.

[CaligulaPolk]

as of new member this year, i enjoy coming here talking to nice people, hate to see them driven away (They helped me, researched with me, that I appreciated a lot) or meeting potentinal new cool members in the near future because of those people cant keep their promises. a dollar make a big difference if not returned.

Hell if i am in the situation where i am losing my home or whatever and need to sell my electronics to save my home. People would be skeptic buying from me because i have no history, but am honest who will send stuff when received money. These people who did not, hurt our potentinal&current forum members, polk customers, sales here, this forum's flea market reputation. You sure dont want people going other forums and say this " Polk audio forum members stood idle while people stole. I am glad i am not a member of that crooked community," stuff like that. WE need stand up for others in the community where you frequently go to and enjoy the site.

95% of you are nice people!! You know you are better than that!!! :D

I hate these scammers, they stole money from me, 600 dollars!! They never change. Backing up for other members here is not against the law, wont be arrested, and for these people who stole, will be arrested, felony, and some jail time. There are a lot things i learned here, DONT MESS WITH POLKIES is one of them!! this make me mad!!

[snow]

Stuff it. I put "inner circle" in quotes because it doesn't exist. GG was right. The pandering to the pack is old. If you're gonna have your own opinion, great! But jumping on a bash this dude bandwagon is just lame. Further more, commenting on the moral fortitude of a member that has been hanging around here 5-6 times longer than you is kind of crossing the line. Especially if said member has friends and connections and past experiences have been positive. How can a n00b comment on any of that if they haven't been around for it? It's not about who can what. It's about common respect. A n00b bashing someone with history is just out of line. I wouldn't stand idly by if a friend of mine was being harassed by another friend of mine who just met him. I think it sucks that others here allow it to happen. But see, that's what it's all about. We look out for each other. If the guy has personal issues at home, I more likely to try and work things out instead of kicking a guy when he's down and calling him trash, garbage, deadbeat and so on.

If you think the situation sucks, fine, I think it does too. Does that mean I have any right to pass judgment on someone else? No, it doesn't. I can only judge actions, not people. The offending actions were poor choices and the offending party needs to make right. His character doesn't need to be slaughtered, he already did that himself. The n00bs that don't know anyone more than a screen name certainly have even less place to bash someone than the old timers. IMO, nobody has the right to bash a bad seller/buyer. It's between the seller/buyer and no one else.

Also, don't preach to me. You have no idea who I am. I've been here much longer than you. I've had much more history here than you and I've had many more transactions in the flea market than the stupid little numbers next to my name suggest. You have no idea if I've been screwed over or not. So save the paternal lectures and condescension for someone else. Stuff it? John you need to both grow up and learn to STFU.


SNOW

[steveinaz]

Yes it is, but IMO it's not enough. Anyone caught ripping off another member deserves to have their name dragged thru the mud for all to see. It's been CP's form of punishment since before I came here and it's one reason why we have a relatively safe flea market.

EXACTLY JESSE! This is why I love to buy things here--

[TECHNOKID]

Inner circle of what? LMAOOOO And why should anyone feel the need to impress someone else online that they will in all likelyhood never meet? Geez if your that desperate for approval online then you really need help :D Sometimes I think people take this whole old timer/noob stuff way to seriously. This forum doesnt belong to any one individual or group of individuals rookies lifers or anyone in between John has the same right that you or anyone else has to speak his mind. Perhaps someday you will get ripped off for something and no one will say a word because they know that you would want them to mind there own buisness.:p
REGARDS SNOWVery well said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dorokusai]

I'm looking forward to contributing nothing useful or interesting from here on out. I am in fact...a moron. Thank you and please let me know where I put my pants.

[jflail2]

I've been here quite a while and get the feeling I'll always be considered a "n00b" simply because I DON'T pander to the old schoolers here. Some are cool, some are complete a$$holes, just like the new folks.

And while the "inner circle" apparently doesn't exist, this sure as hell sounds elitist:

You have no idea who I am. I've been here much longer than you. I've had much more history here than you and I've had many more transactions in the flea market than the stupid little numbers next to my name suggest. You have no idea if I've been screwed over or not. So save the paternal lectures and condescension for someone else.

Who gives a fack. The know it alls will continue to be know it alls, and the truly helpful people will continue to be truly helpful. In regards to the original post, if I get burned by a seller, and I try to make it right with him/her for months and nothing comes of it, then I am most certainly going to call him/her out to other members so they can avoid the same debacle/ hopefully get him/her to fess up with what is owed to me.

Thankfully I've only had 2 transactions on here, both of which were smooth as a baby's @ss (Bruss, those FXi-3's are singing like birdies; thanks again.)

[bruss]

Thankfully I've only had 2 transactions on here, both of which were smooth as a baby's @ss (Bruss, those FXi-3's are singing like birdies; thanks again.)


Awesome! I wish they were hanging from my ceiling.. damn WAF.. lol...

[TECHNOKID]

Stuff it? John you need to both grow up and learn to STFU.SNOWI guess you are right; some growing-up is definitely needed here. Sorry but this post count, GURU, MASTER old timer crap is getting to the head of the man. The heavy weight MASTER feels good about nOOb crushing and bashing (as you can see it comes back sooo often in his discussion). This is typical of people with low self esteem... Sorry for my honesty but this thread is even more negative than the one you are trying to put down. Well, as a nOOb, I'll have to get use to this site and and have the wisdom of finding out who is actually worth of respect and trust as little title below names and amount of posts don't mean much to me (this thread highly proves this). I know my little reply may piss off a few here but what the heck, my being here isn't to be liked but ratter learn and share. As I promised, I am staying away from the Maurice thread and I can promise to stay away from this one as it isn't worth it. Let's move on to some positive Polk threads/discussions/sharing :D

Cheers ;)

[avelanchefan]

After reading this thread it's no wonder there are certain people that are taking a break from this forum. Shameful.

[steveinaz]

There are some on this forum that always seem to move from opinion into personal attack--they are quite predictable, and easily ignored.

While I disagree with Bretts opinion, I respect the fact that he has a right to state his.

[Knucklehead]

I Agree with Brett, if you got screwed by someone a post to let everyone know to be cautious of the seller is one thing but why destroy someone like that? Surely if he reads the forum and see's everyone bashing him its going to piss him off and the buyer may never get the transaction straight. Ive gotten a lot of useful info from a lot of people on here, but unless I have a POLK question, I refuse to post on here anymore because the senior members just try to make you look stupid, sorry guys...its a fact.

[ohskigod]

While I disagree with Bretts opinion, I respect the fact that he has a right to state his.

yep, thats just about where I am on this too. I feel alot worse for the guy that got burned then Maurice's sensibilities vis a vis some online insults resulting from his actions.

although I hate to give the impression i care that much..LOL

gotta say though, lot's of the noobs need to lighten up. the whole "waaaah, I'm not part of the inner circle " thing is coming off a little whiney....just sayin ;)

[heiney9]

lot's of the noobs need to lighten up. the whole "waaaah, I'm not part of the inner circle " thing is coming off a little whiney....just sayin ;)

Like clock work Lou, every 9-12 mos the forum experiences this kind of whining.

H9

[ohskigod]

Thank you and please let me know where I put my pants.


how many times do I have to tell you, the pants go in the hamper!!!

and clean the kitchen before I get home snugglebear!

[Jstas]

Good Lord.

snow: Yeah, stuff it. You're offbase and running your mouth about me, something you know nothing about. So yeah, stuff it. No growing up is needed. I know who I am and I know where I stand and it obviously doesn't jive with your fragile little world. Calling me names, telling me I need to grow up and laughing at me will not change my mind or point of view so again, stuff it. When you can come up with a more substantial argument that's not based on what you want to see but in actually what I've tried to say, I'll listen. Until then, stuff it cause I am not interested in what you have to say.

jflail2: Elitist? Really? I get attacked by someone who is questioning my position...well, here, I'll post it for you, in context, unlike you that drags my words out of context to hold them up as an example of what they aren't.

Inner circle of what? LMAOOOO And why should anyone feel the need to impress someone else online that they will in all likelyhood never meet? Geez if your that desperate for approval online then you really need help :D Sometimes I think people take this whole old timer/noob stuff way to seriously. This forum doesnt belong to any one individual or group of individuals rookies lifers or anyone in between John has the same right that you or anyone else has to speak his mind. Perhaps someday you will get ripped off for something and no one will say a word because they know that you would want them to mind there own buisness.:p

REGARDS SNOW

In that quote, snow makes the backhanded comment "Perhaps someday you will get ripped off for something and no one will say a word because they know that you would want them to mind there own buisness." to which the quote you made from me was responding to. My post was not elitist. It was stating that my history here far exceeds what snow knows and his backhanded comment is out of left field. The truth is I have been screwed here. I handled it. How did it pan out? My business, not yours and doesn't matter anyway because the user who did the screwing is no longer here.

As far as the "inner circle" idea goes, if there is one, I don't know about it because I'm sure as hell not in it. I know I'm not liked here. That's fine because there are a few I like and get along with. The rest that don't care for me, I just like relieving myself in your Wheaties because you get all spun up about it and we get to see the true colors of the people who tell me I'm "elitist" and "a know it all". It's petty, really. As far as how people view you, most probably don't because they don't know you because you don't participate. But I suppose that makes me "elitist" and "a know it all too".

TECHNOKID: Newsflash for you. You're one of the n00bs that I've been referring to.

[Knucklehead]

Like clock work Lou, every 9-12 mos the forum experiences this kind of whining.

H9

"inner circle"...hmmm...didnt know there was such a thing, maybe in high school, but that was along time ago.....you'll never here me "whine", but how bout a little respect for the newer members...it goes both ways.

[bruss]

who is the pivot man in the inner circle jerk? Is this a real internet gang? Who brings the geritol? I love this forum.. Thanks everyone for giving me a good read on a boring thursday.

forever a n00b...

bruss

[heiney9]

"inner circle"...hmmm...didnt know there was such a thing, maybe in high school, but that was along time ago.....you'll never here me "whine", but how bout a little respect for the newer members...it goes both ways.

Have I disrespected you in some way?

Now for a general statement not pointed directly at you. Respect is earned not commanded.

[Knucklehead]

Have I disrespected you in some way?

Now for a general statement not pointed directly at you. Respect is earned not commanded.

My comments were not directed to you in any way H9....The only person I feel I need to "earn respect" from is my parents, my wife and the person that signs my paycheck.....other than that its a 2 way street.;)

[ohskigod]

who is the pivot man in the inner circle jerk? Is this a real internet gang? Who brings the geritol?

bruss

Pivot man = Russman
Geritol = you know thats ALL F1nut!

you'll never here me "whine", but how bout a little respect for the newer members...it goes both ways.

I'm not saying there is direct "full on whining", I am saying that it's coming of as whiney, or overall "whinish" if you will

Good Lord.............. I know I'm not liked here..

I like you.......smothered in whipped cream and bananas..........uh...nevermind



where was I again?!?!? It's been one of those days

[Pauly]

HOS link for future ref


http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=24



Pauly

[heiney9]

HOS link for future ref


http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=24



Pauly

That Ricardo guy is a troublemaker..........look at all the threads he started that got shut down and in the HOS....:):D

[snow]

Good Lord.

snow: Yeah, stuff it. You're offbase and running your mouth about me, something you know nothing about. So yeah, stuff it. No growing up is needed. I know who I am and I know where I stand and it obviously doesn't jive with your fragile little world. Calling me names, telling me I need to grow up and laughing at me will not change my mind or point of view so again, stuff it. When you can come up with a more substantial argument that's not based on what you want to see but in actually what I've tried to say, I'll listen. Until then, stuff it cause I am not interested in what you have to say.
jflail2: Elitist? Really? I get attacked by someone who is questioning my position...well, here, I'll post it for you, in context, unlike you that drags my words out of context to hold them up as an example of what they aren't.



In that quote, snow makes the backhanded comment "Perhaps someday you will get ripped off for something and no one will say a word because they know that you would want them to mind there own buisness." to which the quote you made from me was responding to. My post was not elitist. It was stating that my history here far exceeds what snow knows and his backhanded comment is out of left field. The truth is I have been screwed here. I handled it. How did it pan out? My business, not yours and doesn't matter anyway because the user who did the screwing is no longer here.

As far as the "inner circle" idea goes, if there is one, I don't know about it because I'm sure as hell not in it. I know I'm not liked here. That's fine because there are a few I like and get along with. The rest that don't care for me, I just like relieving myself in your Wheaties because you get all spun up about it and we get to see the true colors of the people who tell me I'm "elitist" and "a know it all". It's petty, really. As far as how people view you, most probably don't because they don't know you because you don't participate. But I suppose that makes me "elitist" and "a know it all too".

TECHNOKID: Newsflash for you. You're one of the n00bs that I've been referring to.No john I dont know you on a personal level and to be honest I probally never will. All most of us get to see of someone else on these boards is what they write here. It appears to me that if anyone other than of course one of the old timers you mention disagree with anything you say in the slightest the attack is on. When and where have I publically called you names?



SNOW

[SCompRacer]

"inner circle"...hmmm...didnt know there was such a thing, maybe in high school...

Inner circles, peer groups, informal leaders, and spheres of influence do not end in high school.

[dorokusai]

The inner circle here is about 10 people....IMO. I would have a man-baby with any of them.

[Knucklehead]

Inner circles, peer groups, informal leaders, and spheres of influence do not end in high school.

Inner Circles......yes they did.....just ask my 21 y/o son..:D....as for the others...your possibly right.

[SCompRacer]

as for the others...your possibly right.

I rarely invoke absolutes, but any time you have a group of people, you will absolutely have inner circles, peer groups, informal leaders, and spheres of influence.

[Knucklehead]

I rarely invoke absolutes, but any time you have a group of people, you will absolutely have inner circles, peer groups, informal leaders, and spheres of influence.


I stand corrected...on here there is all of the above. In my personal and professional life, not so much with the inner circle thingy...:D

[Ricardo]

That Ricardo guy is a troublemaker..........look at all the threads he started that got shut down and in the HOS....:):D

You are confusing me with someone else. I don't know what you're talking about.

[F1nut]

Geritol my a$$, I run on 100% pure testosterone!

Guess what you're getting for Christmas, Lou. :D

[Jstas]

Geritol my a$$,...

Are you asking or demanding?

[F1nut]

....if you got screwed by someone a post to let everyone know to be cautious of the seller is one thing but why destroy someone like that? Surely if he reads the forum and see's everyone bashing him its going to piss him off and the buyer may never get the transaction straight.

You're presuming a crook cares and has a conscience. News flash! Crooks don't care what people think of them, all they care about is getting over you. Thankfully, enough here get that.

[george daniel]

Inner circles, peer groups, informal leaders, and spheres of influence do not end in high school.

Ah,, the Club Polk Illuminati ;)

[brettw22]

Apparently there are many that can't differentiate between "injecting peer pressure to make right on a transaction" and "go mentally unstable on their a$$"........

I think it's pathetic that anything not aligned with "going mentally unstable" gets labeled PC......the reality is that I'd be just as affected as someone else, but choose not to act like a dipshit......call that what you may (grown up?).......

Unless you're buying from a B&M store........you KNOW there's inherrant risk involved.......period. Welcome to reality boys and girls.

[SCompRacer]

Illuminati ;)

I had to look that word up and can't say it fast.

[Knucklehead]

You're presuming a crook cares and has a conscience. News flash! Crooks don't care what people think of them, all they care about is getting over you. Thankfully, enough here get that.

Im not talking about your common crook..im talking about a deal that may still be saved by everyone NOT busting his ass...If you deal with a common crook then thats on you.

[joeparaski]

Hmmmm...one thing comes to mind when skimming through these posts...."an office full of bickering females".

Joe

[F1nut]

Im not talking about your common crook..im talking about a deal that may still be saved by everyone NOT busting his ass...If you deal with a common crook then thats on you.

Let's see....we've got one guy ripping people off all over the internet. Then we've got another that still hasn't delivered the goods for over a year. Maybe it's just me, but they are common crooks in my book.

[cfrizz]

Annoying as hell isn't it? But a slight correction. It is usually just a couple of women bickering while the rest of us want to throw their dumb asses right out the nearest window!

We women got NOTHING on a chatboard full of bickering males!:eek:

Hmmmm...one thing comes to mind when skimming through these posts...."an office full of bickering females".

Joe

[dorokusai]

Annoying as hell isn't it? But a slight correction. It is usually just a couple of women bickering while the rest of us want to throw their dumb asses right out the nearest window!

We women got NOTHING on a chatboard full of bickering males!:eek:

You sure about that? I've seen some members run away, tail/talk between the legs when you and Darla get involved.

[mrbigbluelight]

Geritol my a$$

Are you asking or demanding?


Not meaning to derail this thread, but ...... that was pretty good, Jstas. :)


.... not a very pleasant mental image, but a good zinger is a good zinger.



Now, back to our regularly scheduled program. ;)

[Keiko]

Are you asking or demanding?
Geriphile :eek: ;) :p

[Ender]

a chatboard full of bickering males!:eek:

This is exactly what comes to mind every time I see these types of posts. What about this situation is worth even arguing about? Haven't you seen the picture about the Special Olympics and arguing over the Internet?

The crazy part is this bickering keeps popping up on these forums quite regularly.

Conclusion: WHEN YOU FEED THE TROLL, YOU BECOME HIS ACCOMPLICE.

[F1nut]

This is exactly what comes to mind every time I see these types of posts. What about this situation is worth even arguing about? Haven't you seen the picture about the Special Olympics and arguing over the Internet?

The crazy part is this bickering keeps popping up on these forums quite regularly.

Conclusion: WHEN YOU FEED THE TROLL, YOU BECOME HIS ACCOMPLICE.

You know what's funny here? By making your post, you've just done what you're complaining about. Yeah, funny how that works, eh?

[Knucklehead]

Hmmmm...one thing comes to mind when skimming through these posts...."an office full of bickering females".

Joe

No bickering here....I thought it was a pretty productive conversation. Besides, I am no match for 17,143 posts, after all im just a lowley n00b with entry level Polk gear!!:D

Just messin with you F1!

[reeltrouble1]

The inner circle here is about 10 people....IMO. I would have a man-baby with any of them.

cheater. dont be suprised if someone carves their initials in your leather chaps AND truck seat.

RT1

[cfrizz]

Darling, when was the last time you saw Darla & I bickering on this forum?:D

Now get back to polishing your chaps!:cool::p;):D

You sure about that? I've seen some members run away, tail/talk between the legs when you and Darla get involved.