Official ICE CLUB Thread

[metal83]

Ok, well I figured since so many people have been snatching up these Pioneer Elite's lately, that I would go ahead and try to make an Official ICE CLUB thread. A place for all of us owners, potential owners, and anyone else who wants to talk about the Pioneer Elite ICE amp receivers.

Feel free to add whatever you like to this thread, along with opinions, reviews, MCACC setup, questions, prices...etc.



http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/AV-Receivers/EliteReceivers



Thanks for stopping by..:D

[Ender]

Why is it called ICE?

[metal83]

So my SC-07 arrived on schedule yesterday (big plus).
And this thing is simply awesome so far. I haven't had it hooked up long, but my initial impression is that it already sounds better than my Pio Elite 92 did. I don't have to turn up the volume quite as loud as I did on the 92, and even at low volumes, the sound seems much more defined. This new Elite definitely opened up the soundstage even more.

I have 3 channel amp as well, an XPA-3 that i've been using a with my previous Elite. I haven't tried hooking it up with my new SC-07 yet, but this receiver sounds as good, if not better, than the Elite 92/XPA-3 combo I was using before.

Not this matters to everyone since a lot of people use Harmony remotes and such. But the remote from the SC-07 is a lot easier to navigate than the 92's was. The button layout is much more convenient, and even something simple like being able to switch between sources in either direction (could not do this on the 92) makes it better in my opinion. And also, the GUI looks a lot better, and it's easier to read and navigate, IMO.

Ok, well obviously i'm still excited about my new toy. I'll definitely be doing some more tweaking and messing around, and acquaint myself with this bad boy. I'm already very happy I made the switch, and I'm sure I'm not going to be disappointed after I start really digging into it this receiver.

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[metal83]

Why is it called ICE?

'Intelligence, Compactness & Efficiency"

[Grimster74]

Why is it called ICE?

The internal amps are ICE Amps.

[Grimster74]

Oh, he wanted to know what ICE stood for, my bad.

[Retro152]

Nice Metal! happy for you! Count me in the club!:D I dont mind the 05 remote either, contrary to what ive read in reviews of this Elite line. (05,07,09) Quite happy with its layout. Have fun with that badboy, so many awesome features.:D

[dkg999]

My new Epson scanner has a sticker on the outside that says it has ICE technology inside!

[skrol]

"ICE Power" is the provider of the Class-D amplifiers used in the receiver. I had to look it up too.
http://www.icepower.bang-olufsen.com/en/company/

[doggie750]

Ok, well I figured since so many people have been snatching up these Pioneer Elite's lately, that I would go ahead and try to make an Official ICE CLUB thread. A place for all of us owners, potential owners, and anyone else who wants to talk about the Pioneer Elite ICE amp receivers.

Feel free to add whatever you like to this thread, along with opinions, reviews, MCACC setup, questions, prices...etc.



http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/AV-Receivers/EliteReceivers



Thanks for stopping by..:D

STILL WAITING FOR MINE....:mad::mad::mad:Waiting is killing meh.....:D:cool:

[TOOLFORLIFEFAN]

Glad to see you had no problems with yours Dan. Nice reveiw, Glad you tried it without the XPA-3. I am going to play with the MCACC this weekend.

Glad you liked the Polk Audio Sign.

[Retro152]

STILL WAITING FOR MINE....:mad::mad::mad:Waiting is killing meh.....:D:cool:

Hang tough, it will be worth the wait.:D

[Sherardp]

Would be nice if the mods can put all the 05/07 reviews in this thread for reference. So many of us own the 05/07, especially as of late, congrats metal.

[metal83]

STILL WAITING FOR MINE....:mad::mad::mad:Waiting is killing meh.....:D:cool:

Hang tough, it will be worth the wait.:D

It certainly is!

Nice Metal! happy for you! Count me in the club!:D I dont mind the 05 remote either, contrary to what ive read in reviews of this Elite line. (05,07,09) Quite happy with its layout. Have fun with that badboy, so many awesome features.:D

Glad to see you had no problems with yours Dan. Nice reveiw, Glad you tried it without the XPA-3. I am going to play with the MCACC this weekend.


Would be nice if the mods can put all the 05/07 reviews in this thread for reference. So many of us own the 05/07, especially as of late, congrats metal.

Thanks guys, you were all right about these SC-05/07's. ;)
It would be cool if the mods could do that. If not, maybe we should track everyone's review down and put them in here ourselves, especially Mantis's recent detailed review.

Glad you liked the Polk Audio Sign.

Definitely man, and thanks again!
I can't wait to hang it up...:)

[zx_toth]

Thats a nice looking piece of gear ... sorry, useless comment ... but it does deserve the praise. :cool:

[mantis]

'Intelligence, Compactness & Efficiency"

Thats the best, I love it. If I owned a company, I would use this as the business name, nice man.

Dan

[mantis]

Congrads Metal Nice going.

I'll post a link to my review in here .

http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80499

Dan

[dbaldus]

Picked up an SC-05 over the weekend.

As you can see in another thread I just started (http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80667), I'm having some issues managing the bass output on this puppy. Any help would be much appreciated :p

Other than getting the bass to sound right, I'm going to give two thumbs up for sound quality as my initial impression ;)

[nooshinjohn]

very cool man.

[metal83]

Picked up an SC-05 over the weekend.

As you can see in another thread I just started (http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80667), I'm having some issues managing the bass output on this puppy. Any help would be much appreciated :p

Other than getting the bass to sound right, I'm going to give two thumbs up for sound quality as my initial impression ;)

Congrats!

Some good info on this thread about MCACC....http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1112470

[nooshinjohn]

'Intelligence, Compactness & Efficiency"

I dont know about the compact part though... it looks to be the size of a small Kia;)...

[leroyjr1]

Ice ice baby !!!!!!!!

[Sherardp]

Picked up an SC-05 over the weekend.

As you can see in another thread I just started (http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80667), I'm having some issues managing the bass output on this puppy. Any help would be much appreciated :p

Other than getting the bass to sound right, I'm going to give two thumbs up for sound quality as my initial impression ;)

Congrats Dbaldus, I posted in your thread and hope the advise helps.

[mantis]

Picked up an SC-05 over the weekend.

As you can see in another thread I just started (http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80667), I'm having some issues managing the bass output on this puppy. Any help would be much appreciated :p

Other than getting the bass to sound right, I'm going to give two thumbs up for sound quality as my initial impression ;)

I'm gonna assume you have been listening to your system with to much bass and now that your system is setup correctly, you feel like your bass is weak.

You must understand what a correct setup is suppose to sound like before you can go and color it up your way. If your system doesn't sound the way you like it with MCACC, don't use it. use a SPL meter and set up your system manually. if you need help with that, just ask.

Dan

[polkapolka]

Hi all, and thanks for this thread. I am going to be purchasing an 01 in the next few months, as I save my pennies.
I have been hanging out here and reading all that I can about the elites, and I have a few questions about them.
In reading about and comparing the 01 and 03, I haven't found much in the way of direct comparison in the way of actual listening experience. I know the slight differences on paper, with the exception of the huge difference (8 lbs.) in weight!
1st, can anyone tell me what makes up the weight difference? Are the amps that internally different?
2nd, what are your personal experiences with these two amps? In other words, will I notice much difference between the two? I have a modest Polk system, as you can see by my sig. However, I want to leave open the options of upgrading my speakers one day, and of course, the possibility of adding separate amps.
I am not an audiophile yet, but am an aspiring one on a budget, if that is even possible.

Thanks, and any help is appreciated,
Matt

[heiney9]

Would be nice if the mods can put all the 05/07 reviews in this thread for reference. So many of us own the 05/07, especially as of late, congrats metal.

Probably not going to happen......nor should it. We don't do that for Polk Audio product reviews (which is what this forum is mostly about) why would they do it for a handful of Pioneer owners? I'd bet Pioneer has a forum as part of it's main website........that's where it would be appropriate to have such a handy reference.

H9

[Grimster74]

Been a member since Saturday with the purchase of the SC-07. Keep an eye out for my Denon vs. Elite thread in the next couple of weeks. Wanna little more time to fine tune the Elite before giving my impressions. By the way, damn you Sherardp, it's you fault. ;)

Rob

[obieone]

Been a member for week & a 1/2 now. Just didn't know it.
I don't know what's in Pioneer's Koolaid, but sure does taste GOOD!

[dbaldus]

Just thought I'd give everyone an update after running MCAAC correctly (as per metal83's recommendation to visit the AVSForum thread about running it)...

I am now a happy camper and have no plans of leaving the Ice Club. The sound coming out of my SC-05 is phenomenal after some minor tweaking! :D

[leroyjr1]

I will be a Ice member tomorrow. Driving an hour to pick up the receiver from a HIFI shop. They have the sc-05 for $699 and the sc-07 for $899. Haven't decided which one to get. I'll decide on the drive up.

[mantis]

Hi all, and thanks for this thread. I am going to be purchasing an 01 in the next few months, as I save my pennies.
I have been hanging out here and reading all that I can about the elites, and I have a few questions about them.
In reading about and comparing the 01 and 03, I haven't found much in the way of direct comparison in the way of actual listening experience. I know the slight differences on paper, with the exception of the huge difference (8 lbs.) in weight!
1st, can anyone tell me what makes up the weight difference? Are the amps that internally different?
2nd, what are your personal experiences with these two amps? In other words, will I notice much difference between the two? I have a modest Polk system, as you can see by my sig. However, I want to leave open the options of upgrading my speakers one day, and of course, the possibility of adding separate amps.
I am not an audiophile yet, but am an aspiring one on a budget, if that is even possible.

Thanks, and any help is appreciated,
Matt

With your current speaker package, there is no reason not to get the 01. The 03 is a bit nicer, a few options but they sound identical. I think they use the same exact amp. To step up you would have to pass the 03 and get the 05. This would give you a big upgrade. Not so much in sound quality as they still sound close. The 05 is a bit clearer and sounds more like seperates.

Good luck with your purchase.

Dan

[mantis]

Just thought I'd give everyone an update after running MCAAC correctly (as per metal83's recommendation to visit the AVSForum thread about running it)...

I am now a happy camper and have no plans of leaving the Ice Club. The sound coming out of my SC-05 is phenomenal after some minor tweaking! :D

I figured as much.

Dan

[Retro152]

I will be a Ice member tomorrow. Driving an hour to pick up the receiver from a HIFI shop. They have the sc-05 for $699 and the sc-07 for $899. Haven't decided which one to get. I'll decide on the drive up.

Nice Leroy. Boy this club is getting bigger by the minute.:D Enjoy.

[xcapri79]

Just got home from work early to unpack my new SC-07 ICE machine that had been delivered about an hour earlier by UPS. They didn't double box it as I expected but the box looked ok - a few scrapes but no serious dents.

I couldn't wait to hook it up. The closest speakers were my Polk Monitor 70's and 60's in the dining room. I set it on top of the stand, disconnected the speakers from the old VSX-515 and reconnected them on the ICE machine. This is the time when banana plugs are appreciated. I connected the digital audio output from my dvd player, plugged the unit in, turned it on, pressed play on the dvd and voila fantastic stereo sound. Jimmy Buffet never sounded better from those 70's. I think I'm now qualified to be a member of the ICE club.

For those familiar with the Pioneer VSX-1018 the remote with the ICE machine is very similar with the main differences being a small digital display (remember the 1014), chrome menu controls, and a sliding lid at the bottom covering the keypad. So once I found, EXT. STEREO I was set for some Bohemian Rhapsody.

I want to express my thanks again to Metal83 and this Forum for putting me on to this. I owe you a beer Metal.

[Sherardp]

Just got home from work early to unpack my new SC-07 ICE machine that had been delivered about an hour earlier by UPS. They didn't double box it as I expected but the box looked ok - a few scrapes but no serious dents.

I couldn't wait to hook it up. The closest speakers were my Polk Monitor 70's and 60's in the dining room. I set it on top of the stand, disconnected the speakers from the old VSX-515 and reconnected them on the ICE machine. This is the time when banana plugs are appreciated. I connected the digital audio output from my dvd player, plugged the unit in, turned it on, pressed play on the dvd and voila fantastic stereo sound. Jimmy Buffet never sounded better from those 70's. I think I'm now qualified to be a member of the ICE club.

For those familiar with the Pioneer VSX-1018 the remote with the ICE machine is very similar with the main differences being a small digital display (remember the 1014), chrome menu controls, and a sliding lid at the bottom covering the keypad. So once I found, EXT. STEREO I was set for some Bohemian Rhapsody.

I want to express my thanks again to Metal83 and this Forum for putting me on to this. I owe you a beer Metal.

Welcome to the club, enjoy that bad boy. Run MCACC and you will experience even better sound.

[renowilliams]

I am wondering something about the elite series recievers. It seems that there are several owners in here, so I'll ask you guys. There have been several theads in this forum where people are giving advice regarding recievers. One question I have for you is how you would charactorize the sound warm or bright. My reciever is bright in 2 channel mode and most in this forum state the H/K recievers are warm sounding. Where would you place the recievers you have with respect to this charactoristic?




Thanks

Tim

[metal83]

I will be a Ice member tomorrow. Driving an hour to pick up the receiver from a HIFI shop. They have the sc-05 for $699 and the sc-07 for $899. Haven't decided which one to get. I'll decide on the drive up.

Awesome, I had no troubles buying from them.
I couldn't resist the SC-07, not at that price! ;)

[metal83]

Just thought I'd give everyone an update after running MCAAC correctly (as per metal83's recommendation to visit the AVSForum thread about running it)...

I am now a happy camper and have no plans of leaving the Ice Club. The sound coming out of my SC-05 is phenomenal after some minor tweaking! :D

That thread is definitely helpful.
Glad it's working great..;)

Just got home from work early to unpack my new SC-07 ICE machine that had been delivered about an hour earlier by UPS. They didn't double box it as I expected but the box looked ok - a few scrapes but no serious dents.

I couldn't wait to hook it up. The closest speakers were my Polk Monitor 70's and 60's in the dining room. I set it on top of the stand, disconnected the speakers from the old VSX-515 and reconnected them on the ICE machine. This is the time when banana plugs are appreciated. I connected the digital audio output from my dvd player, plugged the unit in, turned it on, pressed play on the dvd and voila fantastic stereo sound. Jimmy Buffet never sounded better from those 70's. I think I'm now qualified to be a member of the ICE club.

For those familiar with the Pioneer VSX-1018 the remote with the ICE machine is very similar with the main differences being a small digital display (remember the 1014), chrome menu controls, and a sliding lid at the bottom covering the keypad. So once I found, EXT. STEREO I was set for some Bohemian Rhapsody.

I want to express my thanks again to Metal83 and this Forum for putting me on to this. I owe you a beer Metal.

You're welcome, great choice, enjoy!
I'll take you up on that offer if we ever cross paths...;)

[doggie750]

I will be a Ice member tomorrow. Driving an hour to pick up the receiver from a HIFI shop. They have the sc-05 for $699 and the sc-07 for $899. Haven't decided which one to get. I'll decide on the drive up.

Awesome, I had no troubles buying from them.
I couldn't resist the SC-07, not at that price! ;)

LOVE & HATE YOU METAL...............now i am in the doghouse:eek:



























jk........it's still underground
:D

[polkapolka]

With your current speaker package, there is no reason not to get the 01. The 03 is a bit nicer, a few options but they sound identical. I think they use the same exact amp. To step up you would have to pass the 03 and get the 05. This would give you a big upgrade. Not so much in sound quality as they still sound close. The 05 is a bit clearer and sounds more like seperates.

Good luck with your purchase.

Dan

Great help, thanks. I suspected they were at least similar in sound, but then noticed the 8 lb weight difference, and wondered if it had an upgraded amp that would account for the difference.
I am fortunate enough to live in WI, less than 2 hrs from HiFi Heaven in Green Bay. They have the best prices I have seen on these units: $449 for the 01, and $499 for the 03! Also, they have the 05 set up so I can take a good listen to the sound on the Elite.

Thanks again for the help Mantis,
Matt

[leroyjr1]

Great help, thanks. I suspected they were at least similar in sound, but then noticed the 8 lb weight difference, and wondered if it had an upgraded amp that would account for the difference.
I am fortunate enough to live in WI, less than 2 hrs from HiFi Heaven in Green Bay. They have the best prices I have seen on these units: $449 for the 01, and $499 for the 03! Also, they have the 05 set up so I can take a good listen to the sound on the Elite.

Thanks again for the help Mantis,
Matt


On my way to HIFI Heaven today to pick up the elite 07.

[miner]

I use ICE power - can I join even though it is not a Pioneer? Maybe as a proxy member?

[leroyjr1]

I am a ice member. Just picked up the Pioneer sc-07 and bought two pair of MIT speaker cables at a great deal. They were $350 a pair but I got them for $130.

[metal83]

I am a ice member. Just picked up the Pioneer sc-07 and bought two pair of MIT speaker cables at a great deal. They were $350 a pair but I got them for $130.

Congrats and welcome to the ICE CLUB...:D

[polkapolka]

I am a ice member. Just picked up the Pioneer sc-07 and bought two pair of MIT speaker cables at a great deal. They were $350 a pair but I got them for $130.

Hey LeroyJr1, what did you think of HIFI Heaven? I haven't been there yet, but hope to go in a month or so. They have some great deals don't they?
Did you buy from an ad on Audiogon, or did you just go up and by from a salesperson on the floor?

I am curious because when I called them, the guy I talked to said I needed to go through the specific Audio/Videogon person who posted the ad for the amp.

Sounds like you got some great deals and are happy with your purchases, congrats!

Matt

[leroyjr1]

Polkapolka

It was really heaven. Next week he's getting the Samsung 63" plasma for $2100 and the 58" for $1700. The 58" 650 TOC inch in the stores are selling for $3000.

He also has the Pioneer Kuro projector regular $9000 for $2600.


I called and talked to Will and told him about the deal on videogon and he honored it.

[doggie750]

Hey LeroyJr1, what did you think of HIFI Heaven? I haven't been there yet, but hope to go in a month or so. They have some great deals don't they?
Did you buy from an ad on Audiogon, or did you just go up and by from a salesperson on the floor?

I am curious because when I called them, the guy I talked to said I needed to go through the specific Audio/Videogon person who posted the ad for the amp.

Sounds like you got some great deals and are happy with your purchases, congrats!

Matt

Hello Matt, polkapolka
My advice is to go in before the end of MARCH, was informed this is a dealer sale only for this month and it'll gain back up. :cool:

Polkapolka

It was really heaven. Next week he's getting the Samsung 63" plasma for $2100 and the 58" for $1700. The 58" 650 TOC inch in the stores are selling for $3000.

He also has the Pioneer Kuro projector regular $9000 for $2600.


I called and talked to Will and told him about the deal on videogon and he honored it.

BOTH of you are so FORTUNATE to have merchant local like the HIFI!!!! :cool:

[doggie750]

He is the president of this club!!!! It's OFFICIAL!!!!

MNFG: PIONEER
MODEL: ELIJAH MATTHEW-ELITE SC07
SERIAL#: 05.20.2008

[doggie750]

Nice ice

[doggie750]

Sorry:d

[xcapri79]

He is the president of this club!!!! It's OFFICIAL!!!!

MNFG: PIONEER
MODEL: ELIJAH MATTHEW-ELITE SC07
SERIAL#: 05.20.2008

He looks a little over qualified. Presidents are not normally very qualified in this country. He has that box figured out.

[TOOLFORLIFEFAN]

He is the president of this club!!!! It's OFFICIAL!!!!

MNFG: PIONEER
MODEL: ELIJAH MATTHEW-ELITE SC07
SERIAL#: 05.20.2008


Awesome!!!!! :cool:

[doggie750]

He looks a little over qualified. Presidents are not normally very qualified in this country. He has that box figured out.

Mantis, are you up for a challenge?:D

My brain has 10month old wisdom
fast learner and independent
my hobby is DESTROY DESTROY anything like this box
LOVE and ENJOY milk
I have a lot of family that supports me
I use to whining, crying to get what i demand
What do you got? HUH?

[metal83]

Nice man!
New toys are always the best, the feeling never gets old to me. ;)

[leroyjr1]

The Ice family is growing

[sbpolk]

I'm in... have been for about a week now... still in the evaluation stages. I REALLY like the new FPJ1 on the ceiling! Picked an 05FD also, but still need to do the firmware update.

[Sherardp]

Awesome pics of the little guy in the box, very cool Doggie and congrats on the new purchase.

Sbpolk, how are you liking to FPJ1?

[sbpolk]

Awesome pics of the little guy in the box, very cool Doggie and congrats on the new purchase.

Sbpolk, how are you liking to FPJ1?

Love it! Again, I need more time with it for tweeking, but it is a great improvement over my Epson ProCinema 1080UB...

[Flash21]

Can us Tripath boys play too? ;)

[Retro152]

Ok new ICE owners, what are your impressions on 2 channel play with these new Elites, modes, and features? Very dynamic, Yes?

[Sherardp]

Love it! Again, I need more time with it for tweeking, but it is a great improvement over my Epson ProCinema 1080UB...

I just ordered the RS10, so I'm looking forward to it. Congrats on the Kuro PJ

[leroyjr1]

Ok new ICE owners, what are your impressions on 2 channel play with these new Elites, modes, and features? Very dynamic, Yes?


For HT I think the ice amp in the Pioneer sounds great but for music I like my Onkyo better. To me the ice amps sound kind of sterile.

[comfortablycurt]

For HT I think the ice amp in the Pioneer sounds great but for music I like my Onkyo better. To me the ice amps sound kind of sterile.

This is one thing I've been wondering lately. I've always heard that Class D amps aren't really the most musical...efficient and powerful, yes, but not as clean or accurate as other types of amplifiers. I definitely want to get my ears on one of these Elite's sometime.

I wish I could afford to join the ICE Club...maybe next year though. These membership dues are just out of my budget right now...lol

If I put my Onk' in the freezer can I be an honorary ICE Club member?:p

[xcapri79]

Mantis, are you up for a challenge?:D

My brain has 10month old wisdom
fast learner and independent
my hobby is DESTROY DESTROY anything like this box
LOVE and ENJOY milk
I have a lot of family that supports me
I use to whining, crying to get what i demand
What do you got? HUH?

Sounds like you could be Senator!

[Sherardp]

For HT I think the ice amp in the Pioneer sounds great but for music I like my Onkyo better. To me the ice amps sound kind of sterile.

I love it for both 2 channel and HT, granted I have a D-Sonic Iceamp powering my fronts and Sunfire on my rears. I guess I need to run my speaks off the 07 and compare sometime.

[Retro152]

For HT I think the ice amp in the Pioneer sounds great but for music I like my Onkyo better. To me the ice amps sound kind of sterile.

In comparison to the Yamaha 663 i had, the SC-05 is killing it for 2 channel, but thats all i had to compare it with. Dont think the Yamahas' are known for being musical anyway, but found the various features on the 05 really enhanced CD play, (from my source anyway) and opened up my front stage.:)

[Retro152]

This is one thing I've been wondering lately. I've always heard that Class D amps aren't really the most musical...efficient and powerful, yes, but not as clean or accurate as other types of amplifiers. I definitely want to get my ears on one of these Elite's sometime.

I wish I could afford to join the ICE Club...maybe next year though. These membership dues are just out of my budget right now...lol

If I put my Onk' in the freezer can I be an honorary ICE Club member?:p

Curt, put that baby on "ICE" and your in. LOL :D

[xcapri79]

Ok new ICE owners, what are your impressions on 2 channel play with these new Elites, modes, and features? Very dynamic, Yes?

Two channel is awesome with the Polk Monitor 70's. When I first got the ICE machine that is what I first listened to.
I didn't know the Monitor 70's could sound so good, considering I have RTiA's and LSi's.

Later, I wanted to listen to it using the FM tuner. I really enjoy the multichannel experience and thought that the Neural THX setting was the best for FM. I've been playing it non-stop on the Monitor 70's when I'm home or not sleeping with NPR - jazz and classical and the local classic rock station and it just stays warm. I am going to look at the different modes over the weekend. I'm waiting for my new Pio Elite DV-49AV to arrive to replace my old Akai unit that is close to death.

[Retro152]

Hey Metal and TOOL, pioneer puts out the manual in braile too if your having trouble. LOL:D J/K. Just anxious to hear both your thoughts.



Pat.

[Retro152]

Two channel is awesome with the Polk Monitor 70's. When I first got the ICE machine that is what I first listened to.
I didn't know the Monitor 70's could sound so good, considering I have RTiA's and LSi's.

Later, I wanted to listen to it using the FM tuner. I really enjoy the multichannel experience and thought that the Neural THX setting was the best for FM. I've been playing it non-stop on the Monitor 70's when I'm home or not sleeping with NPR - jazz and classical and the local classic rock station and it just stays warm. I am going to look at the different modes over the weekend. I'm waiting for my new Pio Elite DV-49AV to arrive to replace my old Akai unit that is close to death.

Hey, even liked Neural THX for certain CD tracks. some felt like they were right in my lap.:D

[leroyjr1]

Hey, even liked Neural THX for certain CD tracks. some felt like they were right in my lap.:D


No that was that stripper.

[xcapri79]

Hey Metal and TOOL, pioneer puts out the manual in braile too if your having trouble. LOL:D J/K. Just anxious to hear both your thoughts.
Pat.

I just downloaded the text version from the Pioneer site and enlarged it to 200%.

[mantis]

Mantis, are you up for a challenge?:D

My brain has 10month old wisdom
fast learner and independent
my hobby is DESTROY DESTROY anything like this box
LOVE and ENJOY milk
I have a lot of family that supports me
I use to whining, crying to get what i demand
What do you got? HUH?

waaaaaaaaaa i got nothing for him.

Cute kid, excellent pic's, instant classic to the Ice forum, maybe a mascot?

Dan

[disneyjoe7]

At which model # did Pioneer Elite start using ICE amps?

[mantis]

Ok new ICE owners, what are your impressions on 2 channel play with these new Elites, modes, and features? Very dynamic, Yes?

I'm finding the more I listen to 2 channel , the more I'm liking what I hear. It has wonder dynamics. If you run all digital, you can remove the color of the analog IC's.

Dan

[mantis]

For HT I think the ice amp in the Pioneer sounds great but for music I like my Onkyo better. To me the ice amps sound kind of sterile.

Tell me about your configuration on how you came to this determination? Are you running analog or Digital? Over HDMI or coax/Optical? What source?

My system is all HDMI including sacd, cd and dvd audio. Even my media is over HDMI. I do not find Sterile in the sound, if anything I find them to be accurate which is what one would want.

Dan

[xcapri79]

Is it recommended to drive the LSi's with the SC-07 ICE amps?

[mantis]

At which model # did Pioneer Elite start using ICE amps?

The SC-05. The SC-07 and SC-09tx are all ICE amp models.

Dan

[mantis]

Is it recommended to drive the LSi's with the SC-07 ICE amps?

No it is not. According to Pioneer , this receiver only supports 6 to 16 ohm load speakers. but that doesn't mean it can't. For the last week , I have been testing the SC-07 with a 4 ohm load 5 channel system and it's doing just fine. But I have it setup all in small and at 80hz, Mcacc is turned off. All manual setup and everything is working great.

If I plan on keeping my 4 ohm load setup which I'm not but If I was, I would pick up a Ice external amp from Rotel. I would get the rmb1575. 500 watts into a 4 ohm load. 250 into a 8. Killer ICE power.

Dan

[leroyjr1]

I'm finding the more I listen to 2 channel , the more I'm liking what I hear. It has wonder dynamics. If you run all digital, you can remove the color of the analog IC's.

Dan


Are you using the rotel or the pioneer to power your speakers?

[disneyjoe7]

The SC-05. The SC-07 and SC-09tx are all ICE amp models.

Dan


Thanks Dan, I must add even if I'm pre ICE amp days I was impressed with the 84 amp to handle a load over Onkyo's.

That's was a little off track sorry carry on....

[mantis]

Are you using the rotel or the pioneer to power your speakers?

I sold the Rotel rmb1095 and have been using the ICE amps to run my speakers. I'm impressed.

Dan

[xcapri79]

No it is not. According to Pioneer , this receiver only supports 6 to 16 ohm load speakers. but that doesn't mean it can't. For the last week , I have been testing the SC-07 with a 4 ohm load 5 channel system and it's doing just fine. But I have it setup all in small and at 80hz, Mcacc is turned off. All manual setup and everything is working great.

If I plan on keeping my 4 ohm load setup which I'm not but If I was, I would pick up a Ice external amp from Rotel. I would get the rmb1575. 500 watts into a 4 ohm load. 250 into a 8. Killer ICE power.

Dan

I see that on the Rotel site the 2 channel RB-1572 and the RMB-1575 with the 500W 4 ohm rating. They are inviting aren't they!

[mantis]

I see that on the Rotel site the 2 channel RB-1572 and the RMB-1575 with the 500W 4 ohm rating. They are inviting aren't they!

yes they are . All that power and grace with non of the weight, I like that a lot. My Rmb1095 was 75 lb's and 93 in the box, it was mad heavy for a 5 channel amp.

Dan

[leroyjr1]

I see that on the Rotel site the 2 channel RB-1572 and the RMB-1575 with the 500W 4 ohm rating. They are inviting aren't they!


Or the class D rotel 1092. 500 watts at 8 ohms

[Retro152]

Tell me about your configuration on how you came to this determination? Are you running analog or Digital? Over HDMI or coax/Optical? What source?

My system is all HDMI including sacd, cd and dvd audio. Even my media is over HDMI. I do not find Sterile in the sound, if anything I find them to be accurate which is what one would want.

Dan

Dan, im hooked up digital per your advice to my NAD 565 CDP. Did try the analog ICs' also, but felt i definetly got better results with the 05s' DACS'.


Pat.

[leroyjr1]

I'm running all HDMI.

[GV#27]

Just aheads up for potential users trying to drive SDA's with these ICEpower eqipped receivers/amps.I'm not sure which versions of B&O's modules they are using, but most (if not all)are non common ground designs.

[Disc Jockey]

I'll take your word on the B&O modules but Pioneer's implementation is common ground.

[GV#27]

I'll take your word on the B&O modules but Pioneer's implementation is common ground.
Thanks for the clarification.I do know that the ASP versions of the modules used by many are non common ground.

[Disc Jockey]

Thanks for the clarification.I do know that the ASP versions of the modules used by many are non common ground.

Happy to oblige.

[cnh]

I am wondering something about the elite series recievers. It seems that there are several owners in here, so I'll ask you guys. There have been several theads in this forum where people are giving advice regarding recievers. One question I have for you is how you would charactorize the sound warm or bright. My reciever is bright in 2 channel mode and most in this forum state the H/K recievers are warm sounding. Where would you place the recievers you have with respect to this charactoristic?




Thanks

Tim

I think Mantis answers this question quite well above. I've heard the Pioneers a few times in demos. I finally got a chance to do a 'good' audition of an 07 on Def Tech towers at BB, if you can believe that. The amps are not what I would call warm, but they're not sterile either. It's a neutral, clean, dynamic detailed kind of POWER--and is BEST, as Mantis says, with an all Digital feed--from your sources to the receiver. If you like 'warm' this might not be your cup of tea...but I find it hard to believe that most people would not find that sound enjoyable and impressive. I like warm myself and like this too! I can't tell you how much 'clarity' it had on the Def Techs...like few things I've heard before.

That's not to say that ICE is for everyone! But it is (N)ICE (sorry for the corny stuff)?

cnh

[metal83]

Ok new ICE owners, what are your impressions on 2 channel play with these new Elites, modes, and features? Very dynamic, Yes?

For 2 channel I"ve been using Pure Direct. It's what I used in my Pioneer Elite 92 as well. I've messed around with the "stereo modes", and while they sound great (better on the SC-07 than on the 92), It seems that I always go back to Pure Direct.

I have to admit I'm loving the "ICE"!
I've got my XPA-3 just sitting there idle because this receiver sounds so good. It's very detailed, clear, and accurate as others have said....dynamic!

I was blasting some music earlier today at the same levels that I was when I using my 92/XPA-3 combo, and the "ICE" didn't break a sweat. I listen to a lot of Metal (if my screen name didn't hint that all), and I threw in quite a few different Metal albums today giving my system a work out. I also threw in some Pink Floyd, George Thorogood, and a few other great albums (IMO). I was very surprised at how well all of these albums and different styles of music sounded. The vocals came through loud and proud. The seperation and details of the instruments is fantastic, down to every single beat of the drums, strum of the guitars, etc. I could literally shut my eyes, and feel like I was right in front of these bands, awesome!

HT sounds fantastic as well, no complaints what so ever yet.
And again, the SC-07 seems to beat the 92/XPA-3 combo in this area as well.

Ok well so far, as I'm sure you can tell, I like the SC-07 much better than the Elite 92/XPA-3 combo I was previously running. I've still yet to hook up the XPA-3 to the SC-07 though, so I can't comment on how that sounds yet. "ICE" has got a hold of me for now, but I am sure I'll try hooking up the XPA-3 sometime soon to see if it sounds any better or not to me.

I've still got quite a bit of playing around to do, and I plan to do a lot more of that this weekend. The old ladies got some things to do that luckily I need not take part in, so I'll have the place to myself for a while..:)

[leroyjr1]

Metal I like the stereo mode (narrow)

[mantis]

I also listen to 2 channel in Pure direct PCM. It's really clear and detailed. The dynamics are impressive as well.

How many of you are using the HDMI control? I find it to work pretty damn good. I don't use it but I did fool around with it. With lets say a DVD player, you only have to press "Play" and the receiver comes on and swithes to the DVD input if you assigned the HDMI to it, then turns on the Display and goes to the correct input. Very cool.

There is a lot of cool stuff that can be done with HDMI. Very soon you will not need a Ethernet port on your devices, just one in the chain and it will act like a hub or switch. How cool is that?

Dan

[obieone]

Howdy y'all. I'm trying to load a bunch of music onto a 2G flash drive. I went to sync, and am telling it to write it in WAV(lossless?), but the synching is taking a LONG time?
Is this because it's convering from???? to WAV?
Here's my system:

XP w/ SP3, and latest version of wmp(I assume?)
AMD x2 6k
3 gigs of ram

Follow up question: Does the type/ brand of flash make a difference?

Thanks

[metal83]

So for you guys using the "ICE" amps in the Pio Elite instead of an external amp(s), how loud have you cranked it? I don't have an SPL meter "yet", but I got down to -10 on the receiver so far, and it sounded fantastic without any hints of clipping. Though to be honest I didn't leave at that volume for very long. I'll typically listen to music around -20 through -15 (-15 being loud!).

Listening to some Metallic "And Justice For All" as we speak, and it's sounding great.

[mantis]

So for you guys using the "ICE" amps in the Pio Elite instead of an external amp(s), how loud have you cranked it? I don't have an SPL meter "yet", but I got down to -10 on the receiver so far, and it sounded fantastic without any hints of clipping. Though to be honest I didn't leave at that volume for very long. I'll typically listen to music around -20 through -15 (-15 being loud!).

Listening to some Metallic "And Justice For All" as we speak, and it's sounding great.

-21 right now with Kip Winger Acoustic Down Incognito track "How far will we go", it's the 4th time in a row I listened to it. It's am amazing track and it sounds way better then I would ever have expected my system to sound. ICE amps rule man.
I have been to the dark side bro, I went BIG 0 on it. It took it and liked it. I didn't leave it there as it's pretty damn loud. But I'm just in awe with this receiver.

We should all take a moment out of our days to bow down to the glory of ICE.

GOT ICE?

Dan

[polkapolka]

Hello Matt, polkapolka
My advice is to go in before the end of MARCH, was informed this is a dealer sale only for this month and it'll gain back up. :cool:



BOTH of you are so FORTUNATE to have merchant local like the HIFI!!!! :cool:

Mantis, thanks for the tip. I still have to save my pennies for a few months, so hopefully they will have another sale down the line a little.

Yes, we are luck bastards, woohoo! :D

[mantis]

The end of March is the end of the sale from what I have heard, after that it's full wood.

Dan

[Retro152]

So for you guys using the "ICE" amps in the Pio Elite instead of an external amp(s), how loud have you cranked it? I don't have an SPL meter "yet", but I got down to -10 on the receiver so far, and it sounded fantastic without any hints of clipping. Though to be honest I didn't leave at that volume for very long. I'll typically listen to music around -20 through -15 (-15 being loud!).

Listening to some Metallic "And Justice For All" as we speak, and it's sounding great.

Yeah! been to -8 for a short time. (very short!) got nervous. No signs of a clip at all. But my comfortable reference is that -20, 15 range as you mentioned, favoring the upper teens more. It does' vary with certain tracks somewhat of course, but great FUN experimenting.:D

[comfortablycurt]

Curt, put that baby on "ICE" and your in. LOL :D

Alrighty...I had to get some really thin IC's and speaker cables so I could put the Onkyo in the freezer and still be able to shut the door. It's all done now though.

I've got the worlds first Onkyo ICE AVR. Am I in the ICE Club now?:p

[xcapri79]

So for you guys using the "ICE" amps in the Pio Elite instead of an external amp(s), how loud have you cranked it? I don't have an SPL meter "yet", but I got down to -10 on the receiver so far, and it sounded fantastic without any hints of clipping. Though to be honest I didn't leave at that volume for very long. I'll typically listen to music around -20 through -15 (-15 being loud!).

Listening to some Metallic "And Justice For All" as we speak, and it's sounding great.

I hate to say it but shouldn't owning a SPL meter be a prerequisite to being a member of the ICE club. I mean it is like playing serious football without a helmet. At least you're safe not going past -15.

In the small room (12' x 12') I set up the ICE machine connected to Polk Monitor 70 fronts, CS2 center, Monitor 60 surrounds. I have it set to tuner listening to a local classic rock station in Neural THX mode, at a seating position close to the center of the room at seated ear height 39", I measured the following with the RS SPL meter C weighted fast response:

Volume -25 (79-82dB)
Volume -20 (85-87dB)
Volume -15 (87-91dB)
Volume -10 (94-98dB)

What fun on a Saturday night!

[disneyjoe7]

Hell if I don't have it around 104+db I don't feel I have it ON.







And that's not having ICE amps. ;)

[xcapri79]

Hell if I don't have it around 104+db I don't feel I have it ON.

And that's not having ICE amps. ;)

I hear you. In FM Tuner mode, I don't run it too high because of the obnoxious DJ, advertising and other distortion. My one criticism of the SC-07 is that it didn't come with a HD radio tuner. Heck Sony makes a good one at less than a $100 retail. My old Akai DVD/CD player is close to death so I don't want to run it and I haven't received my new Pio. DV-49AV player yet to send cleaner sound to it. The ICE machine is in my testing room (aka dining room) where I can test (aka play around with) it.
It will eventually move to the livingroom to replace the venerable VSX-1014TX.

[metal83]

I hate to say it but shouldn't owning a SPL meter be a prerequisite to being a member of the ICE club.


Nope...:rolleyes:

[vijayl]

Alright.. Sorry if this is a bad news for folks here.
I was shopping around in San Jose, CA area and a Authorized seller told me that Pioneer Elite series is going out of business from next year and this is the last year that u get the Elite series - Not sure if this is both Audio and Video.

[xcapri79]

Alright.. Sorry if this is a bad news for folks here.
I was shopping around in San Jose, CA area and a Authorized seller told me that Pioneer Elite series is going out of business from next year and this is the last year that u get the Elite series - Not sure if this is both Audio and Video.

I thought it was just video. Perhaps the term "Elite" just isn't "PC" anymore.
By the way, I just received my "Elite" DV-49AV to perform on the "Elite" SC-07 ICE machine. Zeppelin is playing right now. They make beautifully clear sound on my Polks. Hope this doesn't sound "Elitist", but isn't it a deserving way to listen to British rock royalty?

[vijayl]

You are correct (just the video) and I confirmed w/ other dealers as well..

[kevhed72]

Mantis,
I just hooked up my sc-05 last night, and hooked up the BD player via HDMI.
When I played the disc, the display showed PCM (instead of HDMI (?))
(I am running a 5.1 speaker setup w/ no sub yet).
What does PCM mean...I am assuming something to do w/ the fact I do not have a full 7.1 speaker setup.

Also, it is amazing how far receivers have come in 10 years...the 2 channel audio on this thing is unbelievable....

[zx_toth]

Mantis,
I just hooked up my sc-05 last night, and hooked up the BD player via HDMI.
When I played the disc, the display showed PCM (instead of HDMI (?))
(I am running a 5.1 speaker setup w/ no sub yet).
What does PCM mean...I am assuming something to do w/ the fact I do not have a full 7.1 speaker setup.

Also, it is amazing how far receivers have come in 10 years...the 2 channel audio on this thing is unbelievable....

PCM is the acronym for Pulse Code Modulation. An uncompressed (lossless) digital audio format. It is indicating the digital audio format going through your HDMI connection not stating which connection you are using. PCM is a good thing :) Other current formats include the DTS HD MA and Dolby Digitial HD or some derivative of that name. These formats are WHY you have Bluray and a new reciever :D enjoy!!

Zsolt

[kevhed72]

Thanks Zsolt for the info. I probably should have opened the owners manual, but needed that instant gratification when it arrivied yesterday.

[Sherardp]

PCM is the acronym for Pulse Code Modulation. An uncompressed (lossless) digital audio format. It is indicating the digital audio format going through your HDMI connection not stating which connection you are using. PCM is a good thing :) Other current formats include the DTS HD MA and Dolby Digitial HD or some derivative of that name. These formats are WHY you have Bluray and a new reciever :D enjoy!!

Zsolt

This is somewhat correct. Set the BDP to Bitstream and let the SC-05 do the decoding and you may notice better SQ. If you have PS3 then you're limited to PCM over HDMI.

[mantis]

Mantis,
I just hooked up my sc-05 last night, and hooked up the BD player via HDMI.
When I played the disc, the display showed PCM (instead of HDMI (?))
(I am running a 5.1 speaker setup w/ no sub yet).
What does PCM mean...I am assuming something to do w/ the fact I do not have a full 7.1 speaker setup.

Also, it is amazing how far receivers have come in 10 years...the 2 channel audio on this thing is unbelievable....

What Bu ray player do you have? If you can set it to auto out over HDMI, it will stream it unless the player has to decode the signal first. According to Dolby, there is no difference in sound quality where it is decoded. I have not proved this to myself but it's what I was told by Dolby Labs. The signals can be decoded correctly or not there is no room for error. Ok I will believe that when I have done it myself and listened.

So lets hear about your Blu Ray player. We can find out if it can stream or not.

Dan

[doggie750]

Quote:
Originally Posted by doggie750 View Post
Hello Matt, polkapolka
My advice is to go in before the end of MARCH, was informed this is a dealer sale only for this month and it'll gain back up.



BOTH of you are so FORTUNATE to have merchant local like the HIFI!!!!
Mantis, thanks for the tip. I still have to save my pennies for a few months, so hopefully they will have another sale down the line a little.

Yes, we are luck bastards, woohoo!

Mantis, thanks for the tip. I still have to save my pennies for a few months, so hopefully they will have another sale down the line a little.

Yes, we are luck bastards, woohoo! :D

I am not mantis....:mad:....HE HE HE:):):)

[kevhed72]

What Bu ray player do you have? If you can set it to auto out over HDMI, it will stream it unless the player has to decode the signal first. According to Dolby, there is no difference in sound quality where it is decoded. I have not proved this to myself but it's what I was told by Dolby Labs. The signals can be decoded correctly or not there is no room for error. Ok I will believe that when I have done it myself and listened.

So lets hear about your Blu Ray player. We can find out if it can stream or not.

Dan

The BD player is a Sony BD-S350, which if I rememeber correctly, I bought instead of the 550 because I was planning on a new receiver (at the time) that could do the decoding. Does this sound correct?

[kevhed72]

There is a setting "Audio (HDMI)" that can be set as AUTO or 2ch PCM and states to select 2ch PCM when using a receiver that does NOT support Dolby Digital or DTS. Then there are other settings for this if your using optical out vs. HMDI. (Again, it does pay to read the manual;).
I re-ran the MOCC again last night and started experimenting with the manual settings. The instructions and steps for setting up your speakers are very straightforward and easy to understand. The MOCC set my fronts (RTIa9), center (CSia6), and rears (FXia6) all to large, and the distances were right on. Due to the room configuration, the rears are pretty close to the seating position on the back wall, but the MOCC was able to detect this and the rear surround effects seem right on the mark.
The fronts did a very good job reproducing bass, since I have no sub yet. Last night I watched the T2 Blue Ray and was able to discern all kinds of detail in the sound track that was missing with the old Yamaha RX-V595 receiver.
So far, the unit is all I expected +. I spent almost a year researching receivers since I was out of the hobby for awhile, but the homework definitely payed off.
Next step is purchasing a new needle / cartridge for the phono, since I am a bit hesitant to use the 15yr. old + needle on my albums.

[doggie750]

Just dont like the fact that my PS3 needs to go to SC07 then to my TV. For DTSHD formats, HDMI cable must be applied right?:confused:

[mantis]

Just dont like the fact that my PS3 needs to go to SC07 then to my TV. For DTSHD formats, HDMI cable must be applied right?:confused:

WHy don't you like this?

[mantis]

The BD player is a Sony BD-S350, which if I rememeber correctly, I bought instead of the 550 because I was planning on a new receiver (at the time) that could do the decoding. Does this sound correct?

Sounds good to me. Auto HDMI and you should bit stream. It really doesn't matter where the processing happens. Not until I test it for myself. I have to stand by the good words of Dolby labs.

Dan

[sir_lagzalot]

Does its on screen display, display over hdmi or only over component or lower like my Onkyo 805.

[cnh]

If you guys keep lauding the new Elites, I think Pioneer will owe you a percentage of their profits! I suspect CP, itself, is single-handedly boosting their sales? Not a bad thing.

cnh

[Disc Jockey]

Setup menus display over hdmi. Volume and other settings only display over hdmi if you have a compatible tv, which are mostly only later model Pioneers.

[sir_lagzalot]

I would say the fact that only setup menus display over hdmi and the lack of network ability is the only reason I'm thinking of upgrading, otherwise the 805 is a solid performer. :)

[Sherardp]

Sounds good to me. Auto HDMI and you should bit stream. It really doesn't matter where the processing happens. Not until I test it for myself. I have to stand by the good words of Dolby labs.

Dan

When allowing my XA2 to decode and send PCM to my SC-07 there is a huge difference. The soundtrack sounds muffled and low in volume for some reason. But when switched to auto the SC-07 puts the soundtrack dead in your face. I'm not sure why this is happening though. I tested this with Phantom of the Opera on HD DVD. So if you have a BD player that can bitstream audio over HDMI I suggest you allow the AVR to handle decoding.

[leroyjr1]

When allowing my XA2 to decode and send PCM to my SC-07 there is a huge difference. The soundtrack sounds muffled and low in volume for some reason. But when switched to auto the SC-07 puts the soundtrack dead in your face. I'm not sure why this is happening though. I tested this with Phantom of the Opera on HD DVD. So if you have a BD player that can bitstream audio over HDMI I suggest you allow the AVR to handle decoding.

I've noticed the same thing. Having the sc-07 do the decoding is your best bet. I don't even use my PS3 for Blu rays anymore. Waiting for the new Blu ray player line up to hit the stores.

[cnh]

Is this some peculiarity of the new Elites because I've never noticed that problem from a PS3 on Denons or Onkyos I've used! I can't tell any difference between PCM and Bitstream decoding when I've used others BDPs on those same receivers.

cnh

[leroyjr1]

Is this some peculiarity of the new Elites because I've never noticed that problem from a PS3 on Denons or Onkyos I've used! I can't tell any difference between PCM and Bitstream decoding when I've used others BDPs on those same receivers.

cnh


I was too scared to try to Bitstream anything with my Onkyo 805 because of the problem they had with speakers making a loud pop and ruining speakers, but the new firmware update took care of that problem.

I tried it with my sc-07 and it makes a noticable difference. Im running two blu ray players in my rig . The PS3 has a great picture but doesn't bitstream and my BDP-350's picture is not as good as the ps3's but the SQ is better. I find myself using the BDP-350 more often because of the SQ difference.

[mantis]

When allowing my XA2 to decode and send PCM to my SC-07 there is a huge difference. The soundtrack sounds muffled and low in volume for some reason. But when switched to auto the SC-07 puts the soundtrack dead in your face. I'm not sure why this is happening though. I tested this with Phantom of the Opera on HD DVD. So if you have a BD player that can bitstream audio over HDMI I suggest you allow the AVR to handle decoding.

Cool, I want to try this myself. I plan on conducting this test when I get a new Bu ray player. I'm hoping the new Pioneer Elite will be the one or the new oppo. Then I will use the Ps3 as a vs Bitstream. In my theory, i would imagine it would sound better in the receiver/preamp.

Dan

[Sherardp]

Cool, I want to try this myself. I plan on conducting this test when I get a new Bu ray player. I'm hoping the new Pioneer Elite will be the one or the new oppo. Then I will use the Ps3 as a vs Bitstream. In my theory, i would imagine it would sound better in the receiver/preamp.

Dan

I agree and think the AVR does a better job. I'm waiting for the Pio Elite 23FD. Saving my pennies as it will not surface this month. More like mid-May according to Rob @ VE. According to Amazon 320 has been pushed back as well. The oppo seems promising, but I'm curious about trying PQLS features with 23FD/SC07 combo, should be pretty awesome, especially with the RS10 projector.

[jmos]

Gday All, this is the only thread on this forum I had found mentioning the Rotel RB-1572.
I was wandering if anyone is using this amp to run Lsi15's ? I have a Nad t973 running my lsi15's, Lsic and four Lsifx's 7x140watts@8ohms.
What do think about getting the RB-1572 to run the Lsi15's and let the Nad do the rest.
Not sure if the Nad is quite doing it for the Lsi15's. Using an Onkyo 875 as a pre
Thanks and sorry if this is the wrong place for this query

[mantis]

Gday All, this is the only thread on this forum I had found mentioning the Rotel RB-1572.
I was wandering if anyone is using this amp to run Lsi15's ? I have a Nad t973 running my lsi15's, Lsic and four Lsifx's 7x140watts@8ohms.
What do think about getting the RB-1572 to run the Lsi15's and let the Nad do the rest.
Not sure if the Nad is quite doing it for the Lsi15's. Using an Onkyo 875 as a pre
Thanks and sorry if this is the wrong place for this query

Your amp is fine, it has plenty of power to drive your entire speaker package.
I would change out the Onkyo 875 if your not liking the sound quality. But if you want to add Ice amps, Rotel is the way to go. I would get the RMB1575 and the RB1572 for all 7 channels.That should be a pretty mean amp setup.

Dan

[jmos]

Your amp is fine, it has plenty of power to drive your entire speaker package.
I would change out the Onkyo 875 if your not liking the sound quality. But if you want to add Ice amps, Rotel is the way to go. I would get the RMB1575 and the RB1572 for all 7 channels.That should be a pretty mean amp setup.

Dan
Thanks Dan, appreciate it. I may look into integrating a 2 channel stereo amp within my ht system.

[GV#27]

For those interested there is a full reveiw of the 07 in the May issue of Home Theater magazine.

[iskandam]

My 05 finally arrived today! I ran the initial MCACC sweep then the Automatic MCACC set to ALL. However I wasn't able to get it to calibrate for 3 listening positions. Is there a setting that would allow me to do that?

I was a bit worried at first because the sound was bright but after a couple of hours it did mellow out. I only had a chance to test a couple of CDs, brief clips of DVDs and the full episode of FRINGE tonight. I also played the bike chase scene from AKIRA Bluray to see how the 05 handles 24bit/192khz Dolby TrueHD soundtrack. I am sending it via LPCM from the PS3. To my surprise the screen reads PCM 96Khz. It said the same thing on my previous receiver (HK AVR 247) which led me to suspect that there might be a limit on the playback sampling rate if you send the signal via PCM.

I will try more movies and music tomorrow, but count me in as another happy ICE Club member :D

[vijayl]

After a week of wait, I received my SC-07 this afternoon. hooked it up and haven't run the MCAAC, but still the clean sound is so obvious. My wife said this is a clean sound!! I still miss my 805, but ICE is awesome. I can understand why all the pros are vouching on this.
For those who are in the borderline, I would say just go for it. All I can say is it is an experience and I can't explain and it is not coming out of instant gratification..
I'll try following this and will give an update:
o HDMI Connect feature w/ my Samsung LCD and not sure if PS3 has the capability
o Run MCAAC
o test drive Media direct

Now, Mr President, Would the Club accept me as an official member? :)

[mantis]

After a week of wait, I received my SC-07 this afternoon. hooked it up and haven't run the MCAAC, but still the clean sound is so obvious. My wife said this is a clean sound!! I still miss my 805, but ICE is awesome. I can understand why all the pros are vouching on this.
For those who are in the borderline, I would say just go for it. All I can say is it is an experience and I can't explain and it is not coming out of instant gratification..
I'll try following this and will give an update:
o HDMI Connect feature w/ my Samsung LCD and not sure if PS3 has the capability
o Run MCAAC
o test drive Media direct

Now, Mr President, Would the Club accept me as an official member? :)

yes,
you are now a member of the Official ICE club. Welcome aboard. I do require a review of your system and thougths.

Dan

[olilugo]

Hey Dan,

what do you consider lower end separates?

And were do you think the SC-07 could compete? specially if the separets are able to fix some of their bugs...

Rotel,
Marantz
NAD
B&K
Sunfire
Parasound
Arcam

On the fence:
Emotiva
Outlaw
Sherwood Newcastle

Hi-end:
Cary cinema
Anthem
Classe
Mcintosh
LINN
Jeff Rowland
Krell
Bel canto
Musical Fidelity

[mantis]

Hey Dan,

what do you consider lower end separates?

And were do you think the SC-07 could compete? specially if the separets are able to fix some of their bugs...

Rotel,
Marantz
NAD
B&K
Sunfire
Parasound
Arcam

On the fence:
Emotiva
Outlaw
Sherwood Newcastle

Hi-end:
Cary cinema
Anthem
Classe
Mcintosh
LINN
Jeff Rowland
Krell
Bel canto
Musical Fidelity
Well there are a lot of things to consider when comparing a receiver to low end seperates. First off the Sc-07 is not rated to handle 4 ohm loads. It can but it's not rated to do so. So there is a huge negitive for me to compare lets say the new 15 series Rotels. These receiver are rated to handle 4 ohm loads and double there power. This indicated better amp builds and stronger power supplies. This is the very basis of a good high end product like Rotel.
Sound quality wise if 6 to 8 ohm load speakers are used, I think the Sc-07 can compete with NAD , ROTEL , Marantz , Adcom, Denon , Integra , Yamaha ,etc. I think Pioneer for what they cost retail at 2200.00 for this receiver( I base everything off retail not deals). I think it's a winner.

Now what really to for me sets the SC-07 apart from Rotel is they work. Rotel has been slipping as of late in my opinion and has let me personally down. I would not own the Pioneer if Rotel got the rap1069 right. The 1570 looks a lot better and has internal processing but is still very flawed and has had firmware upgrades to fix what should have worked out of the gate.

Today I feel a lot different about high end products. Money had a lot to do with it. When your working with less , it's hard to build a high quality system unless you know synergy. I have learned over the years. Today I would not own Krell or anything of that price class. I feel I can achieve my level of sonic heaven without breaking the bank. I even decided to step off my Dynaudio path and go another route. Dyanudio make killer speakers but I simply can't afford to case that dream anymore. So I decided to find a new route and find speakers more suited for me. I found that in Definitive Technology Mythos. The bang for the buck is straight threw the roof.

Now back to the SC-07. Even at full price, this receiver packs a killer punch. I feel it sound remarkable. When you have a speaker package that matches it like DEf tech , Polk , Paradigm etc it makes magic. I have been fully blown away by a SC-05 and a full Mythos sts speaker package. I found my slice of home theate and music heaven.

Now also having a full HDMI digtal streaming system with high end DAC's in the Wolfson and the ability to listen to a Ipod lossless Apple and it sound as good a cd player is remarkable. I hope others are trying this out as it's amazing. You look at a nice cd player and then look at a little Ipod it does against every single Audiophile bone in my body and maybe a few in others but it performs and performs with added features a cd player simply can not give you. Digital music is the way to go and this connection digital USB just tips the scale in the SC-07 favor against a product like the Rotel 15 series. It has MCACC which Rotel has nothing. It is THX certified which to alot of you mean nothing but means a lot to me. As a professional, I will take any tools that can aid me in make myself or my customers experience better. I'd rather have it and not need it.

The SC-07 will and does have trouble for 2 channel listening against products like NAD , ROTEL and B&K a they are a slight step up the chain. If Pioneer made a tad bit better amp like the ones in the Rotel, then they would not have any leg to stand on. NONE. But even with the given facts, the SC-07 is a true winner to me. I love the thing and would not take any the other products out there. I do however really like the Anthem but it costs so much more .And with the speaker package I want to run, I need no more power then the SC-07 can give. And if I decide I do need more, I will buy a Rotel ICE amp. Allday everyday. I will not go back to the older style amps. ICE amps proved to me that sonic ability can be achieved and in there still be green if that applies to todays terms.

Dan

[Pedler]

After a week of wait, I received my SC-07 this afternoon. hooked it up and haven't run the MCAAC, but still the clean sound is so obvious. My wife said this is a clean sound!! I still miss my 805, but ICE is awesome. I can understand why all the pros are vouching on this.
For those who are in the borderline, I would say just go for it. All I can say is it is an experience and I can't explain and it is not coming out of instant gratification..
I'll try following this and will give an update:
o HDMI Connect feature w/ my Samsung LCD and not sure if PS3 has the capability
o Run MCAAC
o test drive Media direct

Now, Mr President, Would the Club accept me as an official member? :)

What? I had to do the Secret hand shake and pick up coffee... and he gets in with an ok????
:eek:

vijayl, con-Grats on the Ice Club membership!!! Welcome aboard!

[Pedler]

Mantis,
Have you had a chance to install Tannoy's and the SC-07/05 together?

Just curious as WhatHIFI calls it a good match... and if you have what did you think compared to the Definitive Technology Mythos?

[vijayl]

What? I had to do the Secret hand shake and pick up coffee...
Thanks Pedler, u got a good deal, for me it cost some Mojitos ;)

yes,
you are now a member of the Official ICE club. Welcome aboard. I do require a review of your system and thougths.

Dan
Will def post my review after I take care of uncle Sam...:eek:

[mantis]

Mantis,
Have you had a chance to install Tannoy's and the SC-07/05 together?

Just curious as WhatHIFI calls it a good match... and if you have what did you think compared to the Definitive Technology Mythos?

No, I have not installed a Tannoy product in years. Everywhere I have worked for did not carry Tannoy products. I have had the pleasure of Installing customers exsisting Tannoy speakers and I remember liking them a lot. We used a b&K avr307 back then on that system with a Mitsubishi 73 Diamond RP TV.

As far as the Definitive Technology Mythos speakers, they are probably not for everyone. I personally like them for many reasons as I find them to play double duty better then most others. Some speakers to me sound fantastic with music but suck when it comes to movies. Then there are speakers that do movies very well and suck at music.
All speakers can do both but how well is the question. Mythos speakers can do both very well. I could build a 2 channel Mythos rig only and be very happy. I also could do the same for a theater setup. But having the ability to do both with one system is very desirable to many people. Some of us don't have the money or space to build 2 systems. So Mythos fits my needs perfectly.

Dan

[leroyjr1]

Mantis

Do you like the new RTI series speakers?

[mantis]

Mantis

Do you like the new RTI series speakers?

Yes I do . I think they are the very best polk has offered in that line. Great double duty speakers that can be driven off a receiver. Pioneer Elite and rt go together extremely well. Very nice. Not to mention price to performance is excellent. I'd rather have them then most other speakers in that price class.

Dan

[Pedler]

No, I have not installed a Tannoy product in years. Everywhere I have worked for did not carry Tannoy products. I have had the pleasure of Installing customers exsisting Tannoy speakers and I remember liking them a lot. We used a b&K avr307 back then on that system with a Mitsubishi 73 Diamond RP TV.

As far as the Definitive Technology Mythos speakers, they are probably not for everyone. I personally like them for many reasons as I find them to play double duty better then most others. Some speakers to me sound fantastic with music but suck when it comes to movies. Then there are speakers that do movies very well and suck at music.
All speakers can do both but how well is the question. Mythos speakers can do both very well. I could build a 2 channel Mythos rig only and be very happy. I also could do the same for a theater setup. But having the ability to do both with one system is very desirable to many people. Some of us don't have the money or space to build 2 systems. So Mythos fits my needs perfectly.

Dan


Thanks Mantis,

I will add myself as one of those that want to do double duty. I guess I never thought of the Definitive Technology Mythos speakers before.
I will try to have a listen to them. Right now I am happy but... you know you always wonder... what is out there that is better.

WhatHIFI puts the Tannoy Revolution with the SC-07 but they have a totally different system for 2 channel which like you said shows that they are not as concerned in doing double duty. Then again I wondered if it would be capable.

Thanks
Pedler

[olilugo]

Well there are a lot of things to consider when comparing a receiver to low end seperates. First off the Sc-07 is not rated to handle 4 ohm loads. It can but it's not rated to do so. So there is a huge negitive for me to compare lets say the new 15 series Rotels. These receiver are rated to handle 4 ohm loads and double there power. This indicated better amp builds and stronger power supplies. This is the very basis of a good high end product like Rotel.
Sound quality wise if 6 to 8 ohm load speakers are used, I think the Sc-07 can compete with NAD , ROTEL , Marantz , Adcom, Denon , Integra , Yamaha ,etc. I think Pioneer for what they cost retail at 2200.00 for this receiver( I base everything off retail not deals). I think it's a winner.

Now what really to for me sets the SC-07 apart from Rotel is they work. Rotel has been slipping as of late in my opinion and has let me personally down. I would not own the Pioneer if Rotel got the rap1069 right. The 1570 looks a lot better and has internal processing but is still very flawed and has had firmware upgrades to fix what should have worked out of the gate.

Today I feel a lot different about high end products. Money had a lot to do with it. When your working with less , it's hard to build a high quality system unless you know synergy. I have learned over the years. Today I would not own Krell or anything of that price class. I feel I can achieve my level of sonic heaven without breaking the bank. I even decided to step off my Dynaudio path and go another route. Dyanudio make killer speakers but I simply can't afford to case that dream anymore. So I decided to find a new route and find speakers more suited for me. I found that in Definitive Technology Mythos. The bang for the buck is straight threw the roof.

Now back to the SC-07. Even at full price, this receiver packs a killer punch. I feel it sound remarkable. When you have a speaker package that matches it like DEf tech , Polk , Paradigm etc it makes magic. I have been fully blown away by a SC-05 and a full Mythos sts speaker package. I found my slice of home theate and music heaven.

Now also having a full HDMI digtal streaming system with high end DAC's in the Wolfson and the ability to listen to a Ipod lossless Apple and it sound as good a cd player is remarkable. I hope others are trying this out as it's amazing. You look at a nice cd player and then look at a little Ipod it does against every single Audiophile bone in my body and maybe a few in others but it performs and performs with added features a cd player simply can not give you. Digital music is the way to go and this connection digital USB just tips the scale in the SC-07 favor against a product like the Rotel 15 series. It has MCACC which Rotel has nothing. It is THX certified which to alot of you mean nothing but means a lot to me. As a professional, I will take any tools that can aid me in make myself or my customers experience better. I'd rather have it and not need it.

The SC-07 will and does have trouble for 2 channel listening against products like NAD , ROTEL and B&K a they are a slight step up the chain. If Pioneer made a tad bit better amp like the ones in the Rotel, then they would not have any leg to stand on. NONE. But even with the given facts, the SC-07 is a true winner to me. I love the thing and would not take any the other products out there. I do however really like the Anthem but it costs so much more .And with the speaker package I want to run, I need no more power then the SC-07 can give. And if I decide I do need more, I will buy a Rotel ICE amp. Allday everyday. I will not go back to the older style amps. ICE amps proved to me that sonic ability can be achieved and in there still be green if that applies to todays terms.

Dan

As always Thanks Dan!

[ckphoto]

I just got my SC-05 Friday :D I have a quick question for the SC-07 owners do you have a phono input? When I was comparing the SC-05 and SC-07 specs online it does not but if you look at the rear photo it shows it there. If it does not have it why would they have removed it from the higher model.

[TOOLFORLIFEFAN]

My SC 07 has the phono input, and i use it.

[ckphoto]

My SC 07 has the phono input, and i use it.

I thought it might be a mistake on there site

[Sherardp]

Have it on my SC-07 and dont use it. Sadly I only use 1 HDMI out --> to projector, and 3 HDMI inputs( BD, HD DVD, XBox 360), CD input over analog, and IC cables to the external amps. Clean as a whistle back there.

[cnh]

Ok guys,

I don't own a Pioneer Ice-amp (I do have, among a lot of other equipment) a second generation panny class D receiver that got some pretty good reviews back in the day).

But that's not the point. I just picked up the May copy of Home Theater Mag. and they have a review of the Pioneer Elite SC-07 in there. I haven't read it yet...but I skimmed through and it looks good....also some bench tests for power. I'll get back with a brief summary of all this once I get to the article later today.

In the meantime...enjoy the ICE!

cnh

[Sherardp]

Ok guys,


But that's not the point. I just picked up the May copy of Home Theater Mag. and they have a review of the Pioneer Elite SC-07 in there. I haven't read it yet...but I skimmed through and it looks good....also some bench tests for power. I'll get back with a brief summary of all this once I get to the article later today.

In the meantime...enjoy the ICE!

cnh

Also found here

http://hometheatermag.com/receivers/pioneer_elite_sc-07_av_receiver/

[cnh]

I should've known you ICE-guys were one 'cube' ahead of me!

Well I'm off to my hard copy.

cnh

[iskandam]

I have this TV stand and the only space the SC-05 would fit is the bottom rack

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41%2B6gao7pwL._SS500_.jpg

That would leave me all of 2 mm of space between the top of the -05 and the mid-shelf. As you can see the front, back, and sides are completely open. Is this going to provide enough ventilation?

[vijayl]

It shud be ok in my opinion. Try it out and if u find it over-heating, u can install one of these behind the AVR (near the top of the AVR)
If ur AVR doesn't have a power out - http://www.activethermal.com/System_3.htm
If ur AVR does have a power out - http://www.coolerguys.com/ac120vfans.html

[Rocco1]

I dont own any ICE amps, but i was wondering is the new 9.2 system the way to go?

Is this where the future of surround sound is going?

[Sherardp]

I dont own any ICE amps, but i was wondering is the new 9.2 system the way to go?

Is this where the future of surround sound is going?

I would'nt get to worried over it yet Rocco. There's not much 7.1 media out yet, yet alone 9.2 so I think you're good there.

[mantis]

I had 7.1 when it came out. I went back to 5.1 and don't miss anything. Right now only games are using the technology and there isn't anything out I know of yet. It's another pair of speakers in your room. Yamaha has done front effects for years and hardly no one used it including myself.

Even 7.1 there is not many titles recorded in this format.

Dan

[ckphoto]

Is there a initial volume setting on the 05/07 to set the volume level when powered on?

[kevhed72]

Has ANYONE had the HDMI switching go to the blank black screen on its own?
My SC-05 will nromally take a second or 2 to switch from one source or another (which I am assuming is normal). When the switching takes place, I get a black screen with a green vertical line on the very far left end of the screen - I have always assumed this green line is just a function of the actual HDMI cable and it just takes a sec. to switch sources.

My concern lately is occassionally the receiver will switch to this screen in the middle of a DVR - fed TV broadcast on its own. I have never seen this happen with the other inputs...ie Wii or BD player. (On a side note, my DVR is a basic RCA TIVO that is 5 + years old and connected via a s-video cable to the sc-05). Anyone else see this on their sc-05 / sc-07?

[renowilliams]

Has ANYONE had the HDMI switching go to the blank black screen on its own?
My SC-05 will nromally take a second or 2 to switch from one source or another (which I am assuming is normal). When the switching takes place, I get a black screen with a green vertical line on the very far left end of the screen - I have always assumed this green line is just a function of the actual HDMI cable and it just takes a sec. to switch sources.

My concern lately is occassionally the receiver will switch to this screen in the middle of a DVR - fed TV broadcast on its own. I have never seen this happen with the other inputs...ie Wii or BD player. (On a side note, my DVR is a basic RCA TIVO that is 5 + years old and connected via a s-video cable to the sc-05). Anyone else see this on their sc-05 / sc-07?


It sounds like the DVR is on the way out. You might try replacing the s-video cable to see if it fixes the issue.

[kevhed72]

I have tried several different s-video cables and same thing happens.
Has ANYONE else seen this...I know with some other Mfgr's (Onkyo), heat has been the issue. At times the top of the sc-05 does get "warm" (subjective) to the touch, but by no means "hot"...

[obieone]

Have you tried just a RCA video cable? I was thinking this might indicate just the S-video connection at the DVR?
According to the SC-05 manual, it will upconvert from RCA composite to hdmi.

[kevhed72]

Good idea...I'll give it a whirl this weekend, as well as watch a bunch of Blue Rays to see if it happens again.

[obieone]

DOH! I discovered 'Full Band Phase Control' yesterday. Only 6 months after I bought the thing:o
Definitely helps make redbook cd's sound better. My Rush cd's were sounding anemic!