SVS PB-13 Ultra Subwoofer

[danz1906]

Hey Guys there's a great Ultra -13 subwoofer for sale
check it out. Looks like a good deal:D(Im not selling this sub)

http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?homesubw&1246236117&/SVS-PB-13-Ultra-Woofer

[comfortablycurt]

If only I had 1300 dollars laying around. This is the sub I'm planning on getting when I upgrade my sub again. That won't be for quite a while though. Damn priorities...lol

[leroyjr1]

I'd rather buy a new one for $1599 with free shipping

[comfortablycurt]

I'd rather buy a new one for $1599 with free shipping

That's the route I'll probably go whenever I get one, like 3 years from now...lol By the time I'm actually ready to get one, they'll probably have released a new model and have the PB-13U's on closeout(I'm hoping), for a lot less money.

This used one would probably only really be a good deal if you can pick it up locally. Once you figure in the shipping costs of a 170 pound subwoofer, the price is going to get a bit higher.

[dpowell]

Why is it that the stuff I really want goes on sale on the East coast?

[cnh]

Why is it that the stuff I really want goes on sale on the East coast?

I'm with you on this...and I'm under Canada? I may have to become an honorary Canadian in order to get access to vintage gear. A lot of stuff seems to be had down South, especially Texas, out west in Colorado and California...and some occasional Midwest craigslist (I tend to prefer dealing with audiogon and Polkies rather than that and ebay?).

Having said that I think you could get that sub for a 'better' price than that!

cnh

[Ron Temple]

Since I own one, I'd like the value to stay up there, thank you ;). I have a friend that sold a pair for $1200ea a couple of months ago, but in this economy :confused:.

[danz1906]

Since I own one, I'd like the value to stay up there, thank you ;). I have a friend that sold a pair for $1200ea a couple of months ago, but in this economy :confused:.

New for $1599.00 is a great price,but $1200.00 wins the prize.

[danz1906]

I'd rather buy a new one for $1599 with free shipping

Whats the word on the new Subwoofer???

[danz1906]

I'd rather buy a new one for $1599 with free shipping

Agreed, the Ultra-13 is the Subwoofer to buy!

[danz1906]

I'd rather buy a new one for $1599 with free shipping

Lee, did you get this Subwoofer???

[danz1906]

The Ultra-13 is Awesome, but how is the smaller PB12-Plus subwoofer?

[Ron Temple]

The Ultra-13 is Awesome, but how is the smaller PB12-Plus subwoofer?About $400 less Awesome ;). Seriously, it's a great sub, they eeked another db or 2 of output out of the design and the sound quality, I'm told, is much closer to the Ultra13 than the previous Plus.

[danz1906]

About $400 less Awesome ;). Seriously, it's a great sub, they eeked another db or 2 of output out of the design and the sound quality, I'm told, is much closer to the Ultra13 than the previous Plus.

At $400.00 less, now that a good deal!

[danz1906]

New SVS sub............Sweet:D

http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-newpb12plus.cfm

[speakergeek]

I think of it as the mini Ultra.:)

[danz1906]

I think of it as the mini Ultra.:)

Thats a good-1!!!

[xcapri79]

If you like" mini", the more liftable Polk microPRO 4000 is available at JR's for about $1K.
http://www.jr.com/polk-audio/pe/POK_DSW4000/

[danz1906]

The SVS PB-12 is a much better subwoofer!

[danz1906]

Hey Ultra-13 owner,what the difference in sound between the 20hz and 15hz modes
on Movies??????

[megasat16]

15Hz mode means sealing one out of three ports with the included foam inserts. So, there are only two port firing instead of 3 (20Hz mode).

15Hz mode allows PB13 Ultra to dig lower and bass is noticeable tighter. But the down-side is a little less SPL than 20Hz mode.

[Ron Temple]

15Hz mode means sealing one out of three ports with the included foam inserts. So, there are only two port firing instead of 3 (20Hz mode).

15Hz mode allows PB13 Ultra to dig lower and bass is noticeable tighter. But the down-side is a little less SPL than 20Hz mode.In addition, it's a little easier for me to get a flatter response in the 15hz mode. 20hz in a smaller room like mine is very dynamic, but I get an even higher shelf below 35hz that's hard to tame with the PEQ. That tends to make things sound a bit bottom heavy. I prefer an even response where the bass above 50hz, the slam, as well as, where it's musical is just as prominent as the deep stuff.

[danz1906]

In addition, it's a little easier for me to get a flatter response in the 15hz mode. 20hz in a smaller room like mine is very dynamic, but I get an even higher shelf below 35hz that's hard to tame with the PEQ. That tends to make things sound a bit bottom heavy. I prefer an even response where the bass above 50hz, the slam, as well as, where it's musical is just as prominent as the deep stuff.

Very interesting, my buddy is letting me check out his Ultra-13
for a week. So far Im very impressed with the Slam and output
at the 20hz mode. I will try the the 15hz mode, my room is 16w x
24L with 8 ft ceilings...

[danz1906]

Who has two of these Monsters???
I would think you would need a large room(3750cubic ft or larger)

[landry_p2000]

That Ultra 13 has to be a Beast! I read a review on the Plus in Sound and Vision Magazine, and it got a great review. I own a pb10-isd right now and it rattles the house! I am most definetly getting a 12 Plus the first of the year, and I am very excited. I want that Ultra, but Geez that sub is huge! I think speaker geek owns a pair of Ultra 13s?

[thsmith]

Who has two of these Monsters???
I would think you would need a large room(3750cubic ft or larger)

My room is 3750cf with 1500cf opening and my PB13 has no problems preasurizing the room

[megasat16]

Who has two of these Monsters???
I would think you would need a large room(3750cubic ft or larger)

You thought wrong. I have 2700^ft room with two SVS-PB13 Ultra and two ED A7s-450s and 4 PSW1000s pressuring the room.

There is no such thing as too much bassssssssssssssssss....Only Earthquakes!

[megasat16]

In addition, it's a little easier for me to get a flatter response in the 15hz mode. 20hz in a smaller room like mine is very dynamic, but I get an even higher shelf below 35hz that's hard to tame with the PEQ. That tends to make things sound a bit bottom heavy. I prefer an even response where the bass above 50hz, the slam, as well as, where it's musical is just as prominent as the deep stuff.

Excellent Info, Ron! I thought 20Hz mode is a bit boomy too. But for movies, I found it may be OK. Later, I added SMS-1 to correct room acoustics responses and use multiple subs to reduce reflections in the room.

[Ron Temple]

Excellent Info, Ron! I thought 20Hz mode is a bit boomy too. But for movies, I found it may be OK. Later, I added SMS-1 to correct room acoustics responses and use multiple subs to reduce reflections in the room.I'm sure you can taste it. With all those subs and all your power, I'm sure your rig is quite a treat. My room is a couple of thousand with an opening into the rest of the house, but it doesn't create an output penalty the way it's situated. My SDAs running large contribute quite a bit. Running the sub hot is not an option without it getting too thick here. Actually, I prefer running it sealed...much better on my rig for both music and movies. It's just that the occasional movie stresses the sub in sealed mode. Duals would be better.

[megasat16]

Thanks Ron! It's nice to be sitting and watching movies with all subs firing. My HT room is for 50% movie and 50% music (DVD-A and SACD audio). Even though I don't own any SDA, I've heard SDAs have a great bass too.


I also preferred to run PB13 in sealed mode but I found SPL drops quite dramatically in sealed mode. Some crazy (in a good way) AVS members inspired me when I was looking for subs. You know the rest how it went. LOL

[danz1906]

You thought wrong. I have 2700^ft room with two SVS-PB13 Ultra and two ED A7s-450s and 4 PSW1000s pressuring the room.

There is no such thing as too much bassssssssssssssssss....Only Earthquakes!

Wow, 8 subwoofers:D:D:D

[danz1906]

That Ultra 13 has to be a Beast! I read a review on the Plus in Sound and Vision Magazine, and it got a great review. I own a pb10-isd right now and it rattles the house! I am most definetly getting a 12 Plus the first of the year, and I am very excited. I want that Ultra, but Geez that sub is huge! I think speaker geek owns a pair of Ultra 13s?

Yep its a big-boy with tons of output in the 20hz mode.

[danz1906]

My room is 3750cf with 1500cf opening and my PB13 has no problems preasurizing the room

My room is 3072cf and a single Ultra-13 is more than enough.
But like Magasat16 says, you can never have too much GOOD bass!:D

[speakergeek]

Who has two of these Monsters???
I would think you would need a large room(3750cubic ft or larger)

I have a pair of the rosenut PB13s. I love them dearly...:D I actually prefer the 20 Hz tune for music. I'll occaisionally run the 15 Hz tune. My set up was calibrated in 15Hz tune and gave a veryflat response with useable bass down to about 12 Hz.

[speakergeek]

Yep its a big-boy with tons of output in the 20hz mode.

Yep, the duals are sick man!

[danz1906]

I have a pair of the rosenut PB13s. I love them dearly...:D I actually prefer the 20 Hz tune for music. I'll occaisionally run the 15 Hz tune. My set up was calibrated in 15Hz tune and gave a veryflat response with useable bass down to about 12 Hz.

Where do you have the Phase set 0, 90, 180?

[thsmith]

I have a pair of the rosenut PB13s. I love them dearly...:D I actually prefer the 20 Hz tune for music. I'll occaisionally run the 15 Hz tune. My set up was calibrated in 15Hz tune and gave a veryflat response with useable bass down to about 12 Hz.

Are they stacked or on opposite sides of the room?

[speakergeek]

Where do you have the Phase set 0, 90, 180?

Set at zero.

[speakergeek]

Are they stacked or on opposite sides of the room?

Stacked. It gives me a good FR actually. No major peaks or suck-outs. I may try opposite sides of the room though just to see how it sounds.

Here's my FR with the "stack" in 15 Hz tune:

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s44/croseiv/duals15Hz.jpg

[landry_p2000]

Yep its a big-boy with tons of output in the 20hz mode.

I am looking forward to that! :D

[danz1906]

I am looking forward to that! :D

The 15hz mode is very impressive, the Bass is a lil tighter and goes
a lil lower.

[danz1906]

Set at zero.

Yep, I prefer the 15hz mode with the 0 phase for now.

[speakergeek]

Yep, I prefer the 15hz mode with the 0 phase for now.

You should post some pics...:)

[thsmith]

Stacked. It gives me a good FR actually. No major peaks or suck-outs. I may try opposite sides of the room though just to see how it sounds.

Here's my FR with the "stack" in 15 Hz tune:

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s44/croseiv/duals15Hz.jpg

Nice ! You gotta love REW.

[speakergeek]

Nice ! You gotta love REW.

Yep. It is pretty good. That's about as flat as I think I'll get it.

[danz1906]

Yep, the duals are sick man!

It must be nice!

[thsmith]

Yep. It is pretty good. That's about as flat as I think I'll get it.

Yep, I don't think you graph is even smooth. Good job.

[JotGloky73]

Both the VTF-3HO and SVS PB12-Ultra are excellent. You cant go wrong with either.

You might want to direct your question to Craigsub, as I believe he has tested these subs in an A/B type comparison.

Keep in mind that even if the VTF-3HO edged out the PB12-Ultra, SVS plans to unveil its next-generation subwoofers PB13-Ultra, etc in less than two weeks. If you arent in a rush, and dont mind spending a few hundred more 1200-1400, you might want to consider those too.

[Ron Temple]

SVS plans to unveil its next-generation subwoofers PB13-Ultra, etc in less than two weeks. If you arent in a rush, and dont mind spending a few hundred more 1200-1400, you might want to consider those too.:confused: ... did you mistype or are you just a couple of years late? The new sealed box subs are rolling out next year, SB12NSD, SB13Plus and SB16Ultra.

[speakergeek]

:confused: ... did you mistype or are you just a couple of years late? .

Yeah, no kiddin'... (LOL!):)

[danz1906]

You should post some pics...:)

MY kid broke the dig camera at the Homecoming Dance, I will try to
pickup one this weekend. The Ultra-13 is in the Rosewood finish.

[danz1906]

The SVS PB-13 Ultra did a great job on the Max Payne Blu-Ray.
The Max Payne disc must have alot of low bass,because the SVS really
delivered:D:D:D

[speakergeek]

The SVS PB-13 Ultra did a great job on the Max Payne Blu-Ray.
The Max Payne disc must have alot of low bass,because the SVS really
delivered:D:D:D

So did you actually end up trading the Klipsch dual subs for the PB13-U? :)

[danz1906]

Not yet, but Im thinking about it-This PB-13 is a monster.
I would like to have two PB-13Ultras:D

[danz1906]

Not yet, but Im thinking about it-This PB-13 is a monster.
I would like to have two PB-13Ultras:D

The PB-13 Ultra Subwoofer is a Keeper:D
In the 15hz mode it is a MONSTER, it did an AWESOME job
on the new Transformers Blu-Ray. Maybe two???

[megasat16]

Dual Wins!

[danz1906]

Dual Wins!

I think your Correct:)

[thsmith]

Dual Wins!

If they are setup right but a single setup right will sound betterthan 2 that are not.

[danz1906]

If they are setup right but a single setup right will sound betterthan 2 that are not.

This is true!

[thsmith]

The better job you do positioning your sub and eqing it before running Audessy the better result you will get out of Audessy.

A lot of people miss this point and think Audessy will fix it, wrong.

[danz1906]

The better job you do positioning your sub and eqing it before running Audessy the better result you will get out of Audessy.

A lot of people miss this point and think Audessy will fix it, wrong.

What do you think about corner placement of the Sub?

[megasat16]

If they are setup right but a single setup right will sound betterthan 2 that are not.

I wonder what kind of correctly setup single sub will sound better than duals that are setup correctly.

[thsmith]

What do you think about corner placement of the Sub?

You typically will get more gain but depending on your room it may not have the best sound. Need REW or something like it to find best placement to remove as many dips as possible and then EQ to clip the peaks.

[thsmith]

I wonder what kind of correctly setup single sub will sound better than duals that are setup correctly.

IS that even possible ? duals setup correctly will have more output than a correctly setup single. I guess it depends on what you are trying to do.

[bassaholic]

I ended up picking one the these up tonight. They're better looking in person than in pics. I am so curious to see how it will compare to the PB12+2 I just recently sold. Gonna have to wait until I have the house to myself though. Mama-bear (GF) doesn't appreciate fine subwoofers.

[danz1906]

I ended up picking one the these up tonight. They're better looking in person than in pics. I am so curious to see how it will compare to the PB12+2 I just recently sold. Gonna have to wait until I have the house to myself though. Mama-bear (GF) doesn't appreciate fine subwoofers.

Congrats.........Its a awesome sub:D

[Sherardp]

Congrats and let me know your thoughts compared to the plus 2.

[thsmith]

Nice ! A couple of acoustic panals and bass traps would be a nice addition.

[bassaholic]

A word to describe this sub. WOW. I have been without my PB12+2 for a little over a month. After playing songs ( I haven't played any movies yet) from various artists from (Toto- Bone Thugs&Harmony) using the factory settings this sub is right on. Not that the PB+2 was sloppy but IMO the Ultra is much more tight, accurate and in your face when you want it to be. The bass is unbelievable and I had the gain set a little past 12 o-clock. I can't imagine running two of these. I was a little reserved about getting this due to the single as opposed to 2 woofers and smaller amp. Ron at SVS emailed me and basically said...no worries I won't be disappointed. That was an understatement. I couldn't be happier. This sub comes highly recommended and to be honest... again IMO. This sub runs circles around my old PB12+2.

[thsmith]

If you have REW or something like it to find best placement and use the PEQ filter assuming one is all you need. It will sound even better. If you need more than one filter then use a BFD 1124

[Ron Temple]

Mine is one of the first off the line 2 years ago. It's a wonderful sub and a joy everyday. Yours has been improved, both the driver and the amp. Enjoy. While the output of the Ultra is similar to the /2+, there's no comparison with it's impactful midbass, deep bass and minimal ringing. Get it dialed and calibrated, it will (probably) never disappoint.

[danz1906]

:)
Mine is one of the first off the line 2 years ago. It's a wonderful sub and a joy everyday. Yours has been improved, both the driver and the amp. Enjoy. While the output of the Ultra is similar to the /2+, there's no comparison with it's impactful midbass, deep bass and minimal ringing. Get it dialed and calibrated, it will (probably) never disappoint.

Agreed, the Ultra-13 is a great subwoofer:)

[beardog03]

you guys are makin me want to sell my PC-Ultra and get the new 13 !!!

[danz1906]

you guys are makin me want to sell my PC-Ultra and get the new 13 !!!

Go for it!:D

[beardog03]

$$$
I`m on a quest for tubes right now !!

[landry_p2000]

I ended up picking one the these up tonight. They're better looking in person than in pics. I am so curious to see how it will compare to the PB12+2 I just recently sold. Gonna have to wait until I have the house to myself though. Mama-bear (GF) doesn't appreciate fine subwoofers.

Man that is a thing of beauty! Nice!

[danz1906]

$$$
I`m on a quest for tubes right now !!

Tubes Rule! Good luck with your search.

[speakergeek]

Nice sub there!

[danz1906]

I ended up picking one the these up tonight. They're better looking in person than in pics. I am so curious to see how it will compare to the PB12+2 I just recently sold. Gonna have to wait until I have the house to myself though. Mama-bear (GF) doesn't appreciate fine subwoofers.

Mannnn, that Gloss black looks Awesome!
Now I want a Gloss black Ultra-13:p

[danz1906]

I ended up picking one the these up tonight. They're better looking in person than in pics. I am so curious to see how it will compare to the PB12+2 I just recently sold. Gonna have to wait until I have the house to myself though. Mama-bear (GF) doesn't appreciate fine subwoofers.

Did you get a chance to make it RUMBLE?:)

[bassaholic]

Did you get a chance to make it RUMBLE?:)
See post 69.

[danz1906]

A word to describe this sub. WOW. I have been without my PB12+2 for a little over a month. After playing songs ( I haven't played any movies yet) from various artists from (Toto- Bone Thugs&Harmony) using the factory settings this sub is right on. Not that the PB+2 was sloppy but IMO the Ultra is much more tight, accurate and in your face when you want it to be. The bass is unbelievable and I had the gain set a little past 12 o-clock. I can't imagine running two of these. I was a little reserved about getting this due to the single as opposed to 2 woofers and smaller amp. Ron at SVS emailed me and basically said...no worries I won't be disappointed. That was an understatement. I couldn't be happier. This sub comes highly recommended and to be honest... again IMO. This sub runs circles around my old PB12+2.

Sweet, SVS has a Winner with the Ultra-13-Enjoy!

[gelinas]

A word to describe this sub. WOW. I have been without my PB12+2 for a little over a month. After playing songs ( I haven't played any movies yet) from various artists from (Toto- Bone Thugs&Harmony) using the factory settings this sub is right on. Not that the PB+2 was sloppy but IMO the Ultra is much more tight, accurate and in your face when you want it to be. The bass is unbelievable and I had the gain set a little past 12 o-clock. I can't imagine running two of these. I was a little reserved about getting this due to the single as opposed to 2 woofers and smaller amp. Ron at SVS emailed me and basically said...no worries I won't be disappointed. That was an understatement. I couldn't be happier. This sub comes highly recommended and to be honest... again IMO. This sub runs circles around my old PB12+2.

I've wondered this same thing myself. It is amazing that a single 13.5" ultra can outperform dual 12's.

Kudos to SVS.

[danz1906]

I've wondered this same thing myself. It is amazing that a single 13.5" ultra can outperform dual 12's.

Kudos to SVS.

WElcome to the Club!

The SVS PB-13Ultra is very impressive:D

[gelinas]

thanks for the welcome. We've had our ultra for almost a year now and I have loved every moment. My wife is learning to like it.

Our neighbors......thats a different story.

[Sherardp]

I really want to sell both my +2s and go for dual Ultras. I know the impact would be sick. Shipping kills the deal but I will check with SVS again and see what they can work out. I have been wanting these for awhile. How is the Ultra relative to size compared to the +2? Roughly same size or smaller footprint?

[danz1906]

thanks for the welcome. We've had our ultra for almost a year now and I have loved every moment. My wife is learning to like it.

Our neighbors......thats a different story.

I have a Rosenut finish Ultra-13,which do you have?
I really like the look of that Gloss Black:cool:

[danz1906]

I really want to sell both my +2s and go for dual Ultras. I know the impact would be sick. Shipping kills the deal but I will check with SVS again and see what they can work out. I have been wanting these for awhile. How is the Ultra relative to size compared to the +2? Roughly same size or smaller footprint?

Two Ultra-13s would be CraZY Awesome. The 13 is pretty big!
Size: 27” D x 20.5 " W x 22" H (w/o grill)
Santa may bring me another Ultra-13 for X-mas if lm good:p

[Sherardp]

Two Ultra-13s would be CraZY Awesome. The 13 is pretty big!
Size: 27” D x 20.5 " W x 22" H (w/o grill)
Santa may bring me another Ultra-13 for X-mas if lm good:p

Your one lucky guy. I want to hear them so bad.

[bassaholic]

How is the Ultra relative to size compared to the +2? Roughly same size or smaller footprint?

The ultra is 1" wider and about 4" shorter than a +2. I highly recommend the new 13 not only for the sound but because it looks so much better than a +2.

[danz1906]

The ultra is 1" wider and about 4" shorter than a +2. I highly recommend the new 13 not only for the sound but because it looks so much better than a +2.

Agreed, on the Looks:)

[gelinas]

I have a Rosenut finish Ultra-13,which do you have?
I really like the look of that Gloss Black:cool:

Ours is rosenut as well. It's the best color in my opinion. While it doesn't completely match our cherry Polks it blends in just fine. I also much prefer it's looks to the Plus 2, I love looking at the driver when it's really moving, or even when its sitting still. Here's a couple pictures of our minature schnauzer snuggling up to it (he doesn't go near it when there is a lot of air flowing out of the ports...)

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e251/mg14136/boots002.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e251/mg14136/boots003.jpg

[leroyjr1]

Nice pics!!! Can't wait to try one of these subs out in my ht setup.

[gelinas]

Thanks, it truly is an awesome mix of good looks, performance, and value.
I acknowledge that it is not the end-all be-all sub and there are others that dig deeper, go louder, and some even look prettier. But for me it is a perfect fit (until I have room/permission for a second....)

[Sherardp]

Very nice pics bro. Like Leroy, wanting to try out duals in my own HT. I'm going to list my Plus 2s for sale and see what I come up with.

[danz1906]

Thanks, it truly is an awesome mix of good looks, performance, and value.
I acknowledge that it is not the end-all be-all sub and there are others that dig deeper, go louder, and some even look prettier. But for me it is a perfect fit (until I have room/permission for a second....)

Yep, its pretty Sweet:D
Looks like your running it in the 15hz mode-my favorite:cool:

[gelinas]

Very nice pics bro. Like Leroy, wanting to try out duals in my own HT. I'm going to list my Plus 2s for sale and see what I come up with.

Thanks, I had a look at your HT pics, if you got ultras would you go for the box or cylinder? I'm thinking with your current sub locations, cylinders may work quite well (and they are a little cheaper)


Yep, its pretty Sweet:D
Looks like your running it in the 15hz mode-my favorite:cool:

You got that right (I'm surprised you noticed the port plug behind Sam). I've experimented with 20hz, 15hz, and sealed. In my room my ears like 15hz the best. Personally I found sealed to be have a noticable decrease in impact.

[danz1906]

Thanks, I had a look at your HT pics, if you got ultras would you go for the box or cylinder? I'm thinking with your current sub locations, cylinders may work quite well (and they are a little cheaper)



You got that right (I'm surprised you noticed the port plug behind Sam). I've experimented with 20hz, 15hz, and sealed. In my room my ears like 15hz the best. Personally I found sealed to be have a noticable decrease in impact.

I noticed because I run my Ultra-13 in the 15hz mode:)
I find that in my room the 15hz goes lower with lots of impact.

[danz1906]

STAR TREK Blu-Ray + SVS PB-13Ultra = :D:D:D

[bevo]

STAR TREK Blu-Ray + SVS PB-13Ultra = :D:D:D

It was really good, but the best I have heard yet is the incredible hulk.
The new call of duty video game is also bass crazy. It really shakes the room during explosions. It's right up there with the hulk movie for showing off the ultra.

[gelinas]

It was really good, but the best I have heard yet is the incredible hulk.
The new call of duty video game is also bass crazy. It really shakes the room during explosions. It's right up there with the hulk movie for showing off the ultra.

Yeah Hulk is a great BASS movie. Have you seen Colverfield. Of the blu-rays I've seen, I think it is the current King of Bass movies.

[bevo]

Yeah Hulk is a great BASS movie. Have you seen Colverfield. Of the blu-rays I've seen, I think it is the current King of Bass movies.

I haven't seen cloverfield, I think I'll go rent it right now.

[danz1906]

Yeah Hulk is a great BASS movie. Have you seen Colverfield. Of the blu-rays I've seen, I think it is the current King of Bass movies.

Argeed, silly movie-great sound:)

[danz1906]

I haven't seen cloverfield, I think I'll go rent it right now.

You will love the bass!

[danz1906]

Who else likes the Ultra-13 on Music???

[leroyjr1]

Who else likes the Ultra-13 on Music???


The Ultra sucks..........












Only because I can't afford one.

[danz1906]

The Ultra sucks..........












Only because I can't afford one.

Happy Thanksgiving Lee!;):p

[danz1906]

You should post some pics...:)

Not a good pic:

[thsmith]

I have never tried my Ultra with Music as the 1Cs don't need it but I imagine it would take some work to blend well which probably would not be right for HT then.

[danz1906]

I have never tried my Ultra with Music as the 1Cs don't need it but I imagine it would take some work to blend well which probably would not be right for HT then.

Not on 2ch, but Music DVD-Blu-Ray-DTS concerts, it seems to blend
very well on 5.1 music:)

[danz1906]

You should post some pics...:)

A lil better pics:

[megasat16]

I also have never tried PB13U in stereo rigs since I have no need for an external sub in my two channels rigs.

But in the HT room where the PB13Us are, the DVD-A music it sounds excellent and chest pounding! Try Eagles' Hotel California in 5.1 with PB13U.

[danz1906]

I also have never tried PB13U in stereo rigs since I have no need for an external sub in my two channels rigs.

But in the HT room where the PB13Us are, the DVD-A music it sounds excellent and chest pounding! Try Eagles' Hotel California in 5.1 with PB13U.

I will give the Eagles' Hotel California a try-Thanks!

[speakergeek]

A lil better pics:

Lookin' good there danz1906!

[thsmith]

SACD sounds good too. I like Queen ANATO DVD-A.

HBO had a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame last night and since I typically do mot listen to multi-channel music I was surprised how well behave the PB13 was.

[gelinas]

A lil better pics:

Both grills, huh?
That's cool. So honestly, do you ever use either one?
I have the metal grill which I thought I would use all the time, but after day two of my ownership I took it off and never looked back.

[danz1906]

Both grills, huh?
That's cool. So honestly, do you ever use either one?
I have the metal grill which I thought I would use all the time, but after day two of my ownership I took it off and never looked back.

You are correct, I like to see that Woofer do its thing:p

[danz1906]

SACD sounds good too. I like Queen ANATO DVD-A.

HBO had a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame last night and since I typically do mot listen to multi-channel music I was surprised how well behave the PB13 was.

It does have good music quality for a big subwoofer on 5.1 playback.

[danz1906]

Lookin' good there danz1906!

Thanks Buddy!

[Serendipity]

What a nice sub.

Looks great!

[speakergeek]

Thanks Buddy!

You are very welcome.

[bdaley6509]

I ordered 2 of these. Got one last week, and another is on the truck for delivery today. I will post pics soon. I am planning on stacking them. They are an amazing value, and I think they look and sound awesome, not to mention their customer service is the best around.

[thsmith]

You are my hero with 2 stacked, You must have one hell of a room.

[danz1906]

I ordered 2 of these. Got one last week, and another is on the truck for delivery today. I will post pics soon. I am planning on stacking them. They are an amazing value, and I think they look and sound awesome, not to mention their customer service is the best around.

Congrats!

[bdaley6509]

Bedroom setup...forgive the piss poor cable management. Mains are Paradigm Signature S8 v.3 in piano black, and the subs speak for themselves.

45026

45027

[leroyjr1]

Bedroom setup...forgive the piss poor cable management. Mains are Paradigm Signature S8 v.3 in piano black, and the subs speak for themselves.

45026

45027



Nice setup!!!

[thsmith]

Agree but that room ios screaming for treatments.

Have you calibrated those subs yet ?

You won't know how good they can sound until you do.

[bdaley6509]

I've only used Audyssey. Room treatments would be nice...but my wife is already on edge. Better hold off a bit.

[thsmith]

Room EQ Wizard is your friend (REW(free) hometheatershack.com). Once you have it set up and use the filters in the sub, then run Audessy. You will be pleased.

[gelinas]

I've only used Audyssey. Room treatments would be nice...but my wife is already on edge. Better hold off a bit.

yeah allowing you to spend the cash on 2 ultra's may take the wife a little time to recover from.

[bdaley6509]

yeah allowing you to spend the cash on 2 ultra's may take the wife a little time to recover from.

Not to mention the $6K+ on the mains. :eek:

[sandworms]

this recession is killer!

[speakergeek]

Bedroom setup...forgive the piss poor cable management. Mains are Paradigm Signature S8 v.3 in piano black, and the subs speak for themselves.

45026

45027

LOL!! That's your BEDROOM set up???:eek: We need a shot of the entire front stage there.

[speakergeek]

I've only used Audyssey. Room treatments would be nice...but my wife is already on edge. Better hold off a bit.

Yes, it's been over a year that I've had my stack, but my wife is just getting over it. You'd have thought I had brought home another woman...:p

[bevo]

I've only used Audyssey. Room treatments would be nice...but my wife is already on edge. Better hold off a bit.

Audyssey screws up my ultra everytime. It wants to set my sub at +12db.
it sets it high enough to make it pop in several scenes of the hulk and other movies. The ideal setting for mine is -5db. It drives e crazy because every time I turn on my denon I have to go in and manually adjust my sub level because audyssey wants it so high.
Audyssey also sets most of my speakers 2-4 levels to high or low. I like how audyssey set up my EQ for movies or I wouldn't even use it, but it always screws up my levels.

[danz1906]

Bedroom setup...forgive the piss poor cable management. Mains are Paradigm Signature S8 v.3 in piano black, and the subs speak for themselves.

45026

45027

Very nice system!

[danz1906]

Bedroom setup...forgive the piss poor cable management. Mains are Paradigm Signature S8 v.3 in piano black, and the subs speak for themselves.

45026

45027

How do you like those Awesome S8 speakers???

[thsmith]

Audyssey screws up my ultra everytime. It wants to set my sub at +12db.
it sets it high enough to make it pop in several scenes of the hulk and other movies. The ideal setting for mine is -5db. It drives e crazy because every time I turn on my denon I have to go in and manually adjust my sub level because audyssey wants it so high.
Audyssey also sets most of my speakers 2-4 levels to high or low. I like how audyssey set up my EQ for movies or I wouldn't even use it, but it always screws up my levels.

You need to calibrate your sub to be flat as possible before running Audessy.

After a little work finding the best location where I minimize the dips as much as possible and use the 1 filter in the PB13 to remove the biggest peak, running Audessy sets my sub at the same level as my mains.

Most people think Audessy in their AVR can fix all this but it cant, you could also use the sub EQ SVS/AUdessy sell but I find using REW and some time can almost achieve the same results but depending on how much your time is worth the SVS/Aud sub EQ may be your best choice.

[danz1906]

You need to calibrate your sub to be flat as possible before running Audessy.

After a little work finding the best location where I minimize the dips as much as possible and use the 1 filter in the PB13 to remove the biggest peak, running Audessy sets my sub at the same level as my mains.

Most people think Audessy in their AVR can fix all this but it cant, you could also use the sub EQ SVS/AUdessy sell but I find using REW and some time can almost achieve the same results but depending on how much your time is worth the SVS/Aud sub EQ may be your best choice.

I thinking about getting the SVS/AUD AS EQ-1.

http://www.svsound.com/products-parts-subeq.cfm

[danz1906]

I wil be working on getting a 2nd Ultra-13:D

[madnod]

You thought wrong. I have 2700^ft room with two SVS-PB13 Ultra and two ED A7s-450s and 4 PSW1000s pressuring the room.

There is no such thing as too much bassssssssssssssssss....Only Earthquakes!

u are my friend crazy :)

u have more subs than speakers !

[madnod]

Bedroom setup...forgive the piss poor cable management. Mains are Paradigm Signature S8 v.3 in piano black, and the subs speak for themselves.

45026

45027


man u need to put some foam between the subs (a riser will be great), ur 2 subs enclosures will interfer with each other in the current scenario.

[Lowell_M]

Bedroom setup...forgive the piss poor cable management. Mains are Paradigm Signature S8 v.3 in piano black, and the subs speak for themselves.

45026

45027

Holy Chit! How often do you need to repair drywall in that room from the massive fluctuation in air pressure in the room? It's a BEDROOM!?!?:eek:

[gelinas]

I wil be working on getting a 2nd Ultra-13:D

I am working on getting a single family home (my ultra currently lives in a townhouse). Then more woofage...

[danz1906]

I am working on getting a single family home (my ultra currently lives in a townhouse). Then more woofage...

I know your ROCKING that townhouse;)

[bdaley6509]

I know your ROCKING that townhouse;)

...and the music's loud, too!

[danz1906]

...and the music's loud, too!

Thats a good-1;)

[danz1906]

I wil be working on getting a 2nd Ultra-13:D

Looking for a Gloss black PB-13 Ultra sub:D
I have a Rosenut PB-13 Ultra that I would like to trade for Gloss Black.
Trying to end-up with two Gloss Black Ultra 13s:D:D:D

[bevo]

You need to calibrate your sub to be flat as possible before running Audessy.

After a little work finding the best location where I minimize the dips as much as possible and use the 1 filter in the PB13 to remove the biggest peak, running Audessy sets my sub at the same level as my mains.

Most people think Audessy in their AVR can fix all this but it cant, you could also use the sub EQ SVS/AUdessy sell but I find using REW and some time can almost achieve the same results but depending on how much your time is worth the SVS/Aud sub EQ may be your best choice.

I have moved my sub, fixed the huge peak at 50hz with the peq, and changed my room settings from large to small to tame everything under 50hz. It's like I went and bought an entirely different sub. I never thought that the room size setting would be so important, but it made a huge difference. It boosted where I needed it and tamed all the peakes I had. the only one it didn't do that much to was the huge peak at 50, and the PEQ at the maq strength hit it perfect.

It's sounds fantanstic!! I always thought my ultra wasn't that musical, but now I can't believe how musical it is. When I was young i had 2 of the top of the line JL audio twelves in my car, and this ultra destroys those.

My amjor problem before was I had a null at my listening position, but after using the putting the sub at your LP trick and messing with the phase I completley eliminated it. It's still 2 feet in front of me but where im setting it is completely gone.

I get my SMS-1 on wednesday, and with the one 5db dip at 70hz I have I should be able to have an almost perfect frequency sweep. Would a 4 or 5db boost at 70hz be too much of a boost. I've read to be careful when increasing db.

How strong of a curve do most people use with the ultra's?

Now all I need to do is start messing with a little room treatment that the wife OK'd, and it will be like I have a whole new system.

I'm glad I had so many troubles with this sub since I've had it, because I have learned the most valuable lesson that speaker owners can. Placement, placement, placement. I never really thought about room acoustics or speaker placement before, but it can totally riun the experience if you don't take it into serious consideration.

Thanks everyone for all the help.

[leroyjr1]

Looking for a Gloss black PB-13 Ultra sub:D
I have a Rosenut PB-13 Ultra that I would like to trade for Gloss Black.
Trying to end-up with two Gloss Black Ultra 13s:D:D:D



How much for the rosewood?

[danz1906]

How much for the rosewood?

Lee,

Send me a pm.

[Ron Temple]

I have moved my sub, fixed the huge peak at 50hz with the peq, and changed my room settings from large to small to tame everything under 50hz. It's like I went and bought an entirely different sub. I never thought that the room size setting would be so important, but it made a huge difference. It boosted where I needed it and tamed all the peakes I had. the only one it didn't do that much to was the huge peak at 50, and the PEQ at the maq strength hit it perfect.

It's sounds fantanstic!! I always thought my ultra wasn't that musical, but now I can't believe how musical it is. When I was young i had 2 of the top of the line JL audio twelves in my car, and this ultra destroys those.

My amjor problem before was I had a null at my listening position, but after using the putting the sub at your LP trick and messing with the phase I completley eliminated it. It's still 2 feet in front of me but where im setting it is completely gone.

I get my SMS-1 on wednesday, and with the one 5db dip at 70hz I have I should be able to have an almost perfect frequency sweep. Would a 4 or 5db boost at 70hz be too much of a boost. I've read to be careful when increasing db.

How strong of a curve do most people use with the ultra's?

Now all I need to do is start messing with a little room treatment that the wife OK'd, and it will be like I have a whole new system.

I'm glad I had so many troubles with this sub since I've had it, because I have learned the most valuable lesson that speaker owners can. Placement, placement, placement. I never really thought about room acoustics or speaker placement before, but it can totally riun the experience if you don't take it into serious consideration.

Thanks everyone for all the help.Congrats bevo, I knew you were having room issues from your previous comments. Very capable subs can sound like crap if you're overloaded below 40hz masking the midbass. Sounds like you've got it licked. I don't use a room curve. I try to stay flat and run mine cold to keep the blend between my SDAs and the sub seamless. The 1Cs add alot of bass.

[bevo]

Congrats bevo, I knew you were having room issues from your previous comments. Very capable subs can sound like crap if you're overloaded below 40hz masking the midbass. Sounds like you've got it licked. I don't use a room curve. I try to stay flat and run mine cold to keep the blend between my SDAs and the sub seamless. The 1Cs add alot of bass.

I'm sure my your SDAs have just a tad more bass then my A5's :). I imagine I'm gonna have to run some sort of curve to make up for it. right now I think I have about a 8 or 9db curve depending on how accurate my RS spl is. It's about where I want it, but it's hard to tell not having an eq to experiment with.

I should have the SMS-1 wednesday, but after getting my sub how it is now, I think I might have jumped the gun on the SMS. I'm not really sure if I'll need it now, at least though once it comes I should be able to get everything exactly how I want it, and get the most out of the ultra. If nothing else, it will give me something to play with.

For movies the ultra was always impressive, but I can't believe how much better it sounds now with music. If anyone still thinks you can just plop your sub in a corner and forget it. Do yourself a favor and experiment, the results could amaze you, just like they did me.

[mikedup2003]

can't freaking wait for my ultra...:D

[danz1906]

can't freaking wait for my ultra...:D

Welcome to the Club!

Congrats on the Ultra-13

[kolbtod]

How does that sub compare to Polks DSW Micro-Pro and Pro line?

(Just curious on your comparison thoughts)

[Ron Temple]

Much bigger, more powerful, plays much deeper and has various tuning options that allow for more extention. You can even seal it. It's recognized as one of the best commercial subs available at any price due to it's looks, features, output and sound quality. I'm sure the MicroPro 4000 is a nice sub and comes closest.

[jimsage85]

Ultra..now thats sweet

[mikedup2003]

Hey guys just wanted to give my first impressions of my new PB Ultra. All i can say is :eek: this thing is a beast. I played the tank tapping scene from finding nemo (with gain at 11 o'clock on svs and pioneer avr subwoofer gain at -6.0) I could feel the bass in my chest! I'm sort of afraid to raise the levels anymore but I can't resist.

I still need to tweak around with it though because when i playback music im not getting that same bass. Anyone with a similar experience? advice?

[rubin]

Hey guys just wanted to give my first impressions of my new PB Ultra. All i can say is :eek: this thing is a beast. I played the tank tapping scene from finding nemo (with gain at 11 o'clock on svs and pioneer avr subwoofer gain at -6.0) I could feel the bass in my chest! I'm sort of afraid to raise the levels anymore but I can't resist.

I still need to tweak around with it though because when i playback music im not getting that same bass. Anyone with a similar experience? advice?

I have the pc ultra ,you won't get that "same" bass because MOST music doesn't have content that low ,like in movies. Pretty well all subwoofers sound more impressive/powerful with sound effects from movies.

[mikedup2003]

I have the pc ultra ,you won't get that "same" bass because MOST music doesn't have content that low ,like in movies. Pretty well all subwoofers sound more impressive/powerful with sound effects from movies.

good to know. im new to this home audio thing, i come from the world of car audio. Just got to get use to it. Thanks for the info:)

[Ron Temple]

Movies allow for 30db peaks in the LFE channel and they can be quite astounding. Music, as mentioned, normally doesn't go as low and are recorded much more linearly throughout the range. Also, you'll never be able to pressurize a living room like a car...should sound more balanced and cleaner though (in the house, not the car).

[mikedup2003]

Movies allow for 30db peaks in the LFE channel and they can be quite astounding. Music, as mentioned, normally doesn't go as low and are recorded much more linearly throughout the range. Also, you'll never be able to pressurize a living room like a car...should sound more balanced and cleaner though (in the house, not the car).

very true. I didn't think of it that way. However the PB13 bass is so crisp/clean as you can imagine:D

[rubin]

Movies allow for 30db peaks in the LFE channel and they can be quite astounding. Music, as mentioned, normally doesn't go as low and are recorded much more linearly throughout the range. Also, you'll never be able to pressurize a living room like a car...should sound more balanced and cleaner though (in the house, not the car).

Agreed

[mikedup2003]

I recently read that using the ultra in sealed mode creates a better musical subwoofer. Any thoughts on sealing it?

[Ron Temple]

I recently read that using the ultra in sealed mode creates a better musical subwoofer. Any thoughts on sealing it?I ran mine sealed for awhile. It tightens up a bit and the attack is sharper, midbass more pronounced. You lose some efficiency and the visceral low end, but it's still extremely powerful. I put it back in 15hz tune due to a couple of BDs that seemed to stress it at high output. Sealed works better in a small room. Mine's medium small, but with a large opening into the rest of the house.

[gelinas]

I ran mine sealed for awhile. It tightens up a bit and the attack is sharper, midbass more pronounced. You lose some efficiency and the visceral low end, but it's still extremely powerful. I put it back in 15hz tune due to a couple of BDs that seemed to stress it at high output. Sealed works better in a small room. Mine's medium small, but with a large opening into the rest of the house.

+1

I noticed the very same things as Ron.
For me 15hz tune is best. Sealed seemed to loose impact and I rarely listen to just music. Plos I also have medium-small room that opens to the rest of the house.

[danz1906]

I recently read that using the ultra in sealed mode creates a better musical subwoofer. Any thoughts on sealing it?

Agreed,Sealed mode does make it more Musical. The bass seem to be Quicker.

[danz1906]

Hello,

How good is this Sub?
How does it compare to the Ultra-13??

Thanks

http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-ultra2.cfm

[danz1906]

Say What? :D:D:D

[bdaley6509]

Say What? :D:D:D

Nice Sub!! Also, a pleasure to meet you Dan. Have fun with that thing :)

[danz1906]

Nice Sub!! Also, a pleasure to meet you Dan. Have fun with that thing :)

Thanks Bronson, the Sub looks new!!!!!!!!!
Two would look even better;)

[edoggrc51]

I apologize if this against forum rules, but here's a link to one im selling.

http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?homesubw&1285775645&/SVS-PB13-Ultra-In-Beautiful-Ro

Feel free to PM me if there's any interest. I have plenty of positive feedback in other forums (emotiva, av123, ebay). Thanks! :)

[danz1906]

I apologize if this against forum rules, but here's a link to one im selling.

http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?homesubw&1285775645&/SVS-PB13-Ultra-In-Beautiful-Ro

Feel free to PM me if there's any interest. I have plenty of positive feedback in other forums (emotiva, av123, ebay). Thanks! :)

I use to own a Rosenut Ultra-13, that I sold. Good luck with your sale.

[edoggrc51]

Thanks! :)

[danz1906]

Thanks! :)

Did you sell it????

[edoggrc51]

Yes sir! :) Should have my DIY project completed this week. :)

[danz1906]

Yes sir! :) Should have my DIY project completed this week. :)

Sweet,,,,,,,Let me know how it comes out!

[edoggrc51]

For sheazy! :)

[danz1906]

For sheazy! :)

Nice Subwoofer-Congrats!

[edoggrc51]

Thanks bro! :)

[danz1906]

Thanks bro! :)

You should start a thread with your new DIY subwoofer:cool:

[edoggrc51]

http://emotivalounge.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=diy&action=display&thread=13065

Here ya go! :)

[danz1906]

http://emotivalounge.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=diy&action=display&thread=13065

Here ya go! :)

Thanks..........Great looking Sub!!!

[edoggrc51]

Thanks man. :) The driver sure is a thing of beauty. My cabinet on the other hand, could use some work. LOL! I do have plans on having one built professionally though. Probably in a rosewood veneer to match my speakers, A/V stand, & rack. :)

[ecod123]

Hey E,
Congrats! Took a peek over at the emotiva thread. Your DIY sub is taking shape and looking great.

[edoggrc51]

Thanks bro!

You playing with tubes yet? :)

[ecod123]

BTW E,
8 power tubes arrived but the amp is on the slow boat arriving probably late next week. :( Yep, it's quite the torture to stare at tubes but no amp to use them in! Curse the shipper!:D

[ecod123]

Edogg,
Seems like a prominent piece of tube equipment is missing from your equipment list.:D



UMC-1
UPA-1 (x2)
XPA-3
LS6's
Mirage OMD-5
18" LMS Ultra DIY Sub
Panny AE-4000u
Panny BD60
Onix XCD-99
Belkin PF60
Harmony 890

[edoggrc51]

BTW E,
8 power tubes arrived but the amp is on the slow boat arriving probably late next week. :( Yep, it's quite the torture to stare at tubes but no amp to use them in! Curse the shipper!:D


Lol! Thats sucks!

All in due time my friend. :)

[edoggrc51]

edogg,
seems like a prominent piece of tube equipment is missing from your equipment list.:d

fixed!! :D

[danz1906]

Who's using their Ultra-13 in the Seal mode???

[danz1906]

Who's using their Ultra-13 in the Seal mode???

Anyone?

[Ron Temple]

I did for awhile and preferred it for many applications. I changed back after a few months due to a couple of wicked hot BDs that distressed the sub at high volume. You lose about 5dbs down low in sealed mode, but for music it's better. For movies, sharper attack, but you lose some of the visceral subsonic signature. I think it was The Hulk and Valkyrie that prompted me to change back.

[rubin]

I did for awhile and preferred it for many applications. I changed back after a few months due to a couple of wicked hot BDs that distressed the sub at high volume. You lose about 5dbs down low in sealed mode, but for music it's better. For movies, sharper attack, but you lose some of the visceral subsonic signature. I think it was The Hulk and Valkyrie that prompted me to change back.

What did you notice that made you believe the sub was stressed, Bottoming/popping?

[edoggrc51]

Who's using their Ultra-13 in the Seal mode???

I ran my Ultra-13 sealed when i had it. It was great!! I did lose output but i had a second sub to help make up for that. ;)

[Ron Temple]

What did you notice that made you believe the sub was stressed, Bottoming/popping?No, nothing like that, the driver just didn't sound happy, right at it's limits. I'm probably going to go with the new Sledge amp when it's available for a swapout. It will allow you to run at limit without distress, as well as, a db or 3 more output. After, I will probably keep it in sealed mode.

[danz1906]

No, nothing like that, the driver just didn't sound happy, right at it's limits. I'm probably going to go with the new Sledge amp when it's available for a swapout. It will allow you to run at limit without distress, as well as, a db or 3 more output. After, I will probably keep it in sealed mode.

The New Amp looks impressive, any word when it will be available???

[thsmith]

The New Amp looks impressive, any word when it will be available???

And cost ?

[Ron Temple]

I was told 6-9 weeks about a month ago, but I think it's slipped. Cost...no idea.

[danz1906]

I was told 6-9 weeks about a month ago, but I think it's slipped. Cost...no idea.

Thanks

[Ericw2431]

as for the new sub i think there will be no ultra look at the specs of the plus!!!! =O

[colossus]

I am in the process of buying two subs for my cinema room. I am mixed up between these two:

a) Dual Klipsch KW-120 THX + Emotiva XPA-2 amp OR
b) Dual SVS PB-13 Ultra

I have a Klipsch THX Ultra2 9 Channel Speaker Step up in the cinema room. Of course my heart beats for the Klipsch subs but after reading through the forums, they say that the PB-13s are mightier in both HT and music.

I only managed to find the Freq vs SPL chart of the DUAL KW-120s and SINGLE PB-13. What about DUAL PB-13s ? Is there a chart ?

Money wise, they will cost me the same brand new ........ so my door is open for both !!

Thanks for your opinion guys !!

[EndersShadow]

I am in the process of buying two subs for my cinema room. I am mixed up between these two:

a) Dual Klipsch KW-120 THX + Emotiva XPA-2 amp OR
b) Dual SVS PB-13 Ultra

I have a Klipsch THX Ultra2 9 Channel Speaker Step up in the cinema room. Of course my heart beats for the Klipsch subs but after reading through the forums, they say that the PB-13s are mightier in both HT and music.

I only managed to find the Freq vs SPL chart of the DUAL KW-120s and SINGLE PB-13. What about DUAL PB-13s ? Is there a chart ?

Money wise, they will cost me the same brand new ........ so my door is open for both !!

Thanks for your opinion guys !!

would suggest emailing SVS. I have emailed them with my questions and got responses quite quickly and with more than enough info.

[danz1906]

I am in the process of buying two subs for my cinema room. I am mixed up between these two:

a) Dual Klipsch KW-120 THX + Emotiva XPA-2 amp OR
b) Dual SVS PB-13 Ultra

I have a Klipsch THX Ultra2 9 Channel Speaker Step up in the cinema room. Of course my heart beats for the Klipsch subs but after reading through the forums, they say that the PB-13s are mightier in both HT and music.

I only managed to find the Freq vs SPL chart of the DUAL KW-120s and SINGLE PB-13. What about DUAL PB-13s ? Is there a chart ?

Money wise, they will cost me the same brand new ........ so my door is open for both !!

Thanks for your opinion guys !!

Since you have the Thx Ultra2 speaker setup, I would say go for the KW-120
subwoofers and the KA-1000 THx amp.

[colossus]

Personally I don't mind buying the dual PB-13s even though I have a Klipsch THX Ultra2 setup. Just want to know which is the best.

Dual Klipsch KW-120 specs:
130dB @ 30Hz, 122dB @ 20Hz, 112dB @ 15Hz 1/8 space, 1m (2 enclosures side-by-side per THX Ultra2)

Dual PB-13s ???

[colossus]

would suggest emailing SVS. I have emailed them with my questions and got responses quite quickly and with more than enough info.
Yes I will email SVS and hopefully get an answer from them.

[danz1906]

Yes I will email SVS and hopefully get an answer from them.

Both are great sub-woofers, I think you would be very happy with
either one. The Thx Ultra2 KW-120 may be a better match for your
Thx speakers.

[colossus]

would suggest emailing SVS. I have emailed them with my questions and got responses quite quickly and with more than enough info.
SVS reply:
For dual, co-located subs you can add simply add 6dB onto the single measurements.

By the facts displayed in the Freq vs SPL charts, it seems that the Klipsch subs are more dynamic and powerful.

But that does not convince me. I want to know the opinion of someone who experienced both !!

Anyone ???

[colossus]

Both are great sub-woofers, I think you would be very happy with
either one. The Thx Ultra2 KW-120 may be a better match for your
Thx speakers.
Check the SVS PB-13 Ultra FREQ vs SPL Chart from 1 foot away:
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_14_3/svs-pb13-ultra-subwoofer-9-2007-part-3.html

This sub can go maximum to 100dBs (1 foot away). Adding another sub, will go to 106dBs. What do you conclude guys ? Need your help.

KW-120s are THX certified therefore the results are 100% true.

Danz you heard both ! Need your honest opinion PLEASE :smile: :smile: :smile:

You seem to like the PB-13 Ultra more ...... hehehe

[EndersShadow]

Check the SVS PB-13 Ultra FREQ vs SPL Chart from 1 foot away:
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_14_3/svs-pb13-ultra-subwoofer-9-2007-part-3.html

This sub can go maximum to 100dBs (1 foot away). Adding another sub, will go to 106dBs. What do you conclude guys ? Need your help.

KW-120s are THX certified therefore the results are 100% true.

Danz you heard both ! Need your honest opinion PLEASE :smile: :smile: :smile:

You seem to like the PB-13 Ultra more ...... hehehe

My vote goes to SVS because its got the amps built in for you so it saves you some rack/entrainment center room...that and I really really like SVS..

Or get both and return the one you dont like (SVS has 30 day return, so does Emotiva, not sure about Klipsh)

[colossus]

Hello again guys.

After extensive research about the Dual KW-120 THX and Dual PB-13 Ultra I came to a conclusion (after seeing numerous charts and reviews) that the PB-13 Ultra is better than the KW-120.

If you compare the subs from frequency 20Hz+, they are practically the same. But if you compare them from 20Hz down, then you see the magic in the PB-13 Ultra.

Therefore if you are looking for the dynamic punchy bass of the KW-120s but you want also the extra deep deep bass of 10-20Hz, then go for the Dual PB-13 Ultras.

This is of course my personal opinion based on the research I have done.

[danz1906]

[QUOTE=colossus;1448629]Hello again guys.

After extensive research about the Dual KW-120 THX and Dual PB-13 Ultra I came to a conclusion (after seeing numerous charts and reviews) that the PB-13 Ultra is better than the KW-120.

If you compare the subs from frequency 20Hz+, they are practically the same. But if you compare them from 20Hz down, then you see the magic in the PB-13 Ultra.

Therefore if you are looking for the dynamic punchy bass of the KW-120s but you want also the extra deep deep bass of 10-20Hz, then go for the Dual PB-13 Ultras.

This is of course my personal opinion based on the research I have done.[/QUOTE

The Dual PB-13 Ultra will be Awesome, theirs a couple of guys here with
Dual Pb-13s. Although I liked both subs the PB-13 Ultra was my Favorite.
I have Full-Range speakers(Linn AV5140s) front and rear.

[colossus]

Ordered the DUAL PB-13 Ultras today. Hopefully they will arrive in a week's time. Will let you know my feedback after installation.

What calibration methods did you use for the Ultras ? Spl meter ?

Cheers guys ! and thanks for the input !

[danz1906]

Ordered the DUAL PB-13 Ultras today. Hopefully they will arrive in a week's time. Will let you know my feedback after installation.

What calibration methods did you use for the Ultras ? Spl meter ?

Cheers guys ! and thanks for the input !

Congrats!!!!!!!

[megasat16]

[QUOTE=colossus;1448629]Hello again guys.

After extensive research about the Dual KW-120 THX and Dual PB-13 Ultra I came to a conclusion (after seeing numerous charts and reviews) that the PB-13 Ultra is better than the KW-120.

If you compare the subs from frequency 20Hz+, they are practically the same. But if you compare them from 20Hz down, then you see the magic in the PB-13 Ultra.

Therefore if you are looking for the dynamic punchy bass of the KW-120s but you want also the extra deep deep bass of 10-20Hz, then go for the Dual PB-13 Ultras.

This is of course my personal opinion based on the research I have done.[/QUOTE

The Dual PB-13 Ultra will be Awesome, theirs a couple of guys here with
Dual Pb-13s. Although I liked both subs the PB-13 Ultra was my Favorite.
I have Full-Range speakers(Linn AV5140s) front and rear.

I love my Dual Ultras in the 15Hz model. Sealed mode is a little much to ask even from dual Ultras. Too noticeable drop out on the output and a lot more concerns on the amps reliability.

[danz1906]

[QUOTE=danz1906;1448821]

I love my Dual Ultras in the 15Hz model. Sealed mode is a little much to ask even from dual Ultras. Too noticeable drop out on the output and a lot more concerns on the amps reliability.

If I play my Cards right, I should have Dual Gloss Black Ultra-13s for
Christmas:biggrin:

[daviidwilson]

15Hz mode means sealing one out of three ports with the included foam inserts. So, there are only two port firing instead of 3 (20Hz mode).

15Hz mode allows PB13 Ultra to dig lower and bass is noticeable tighter. But the down-side is a little less SPL than 20Hz mode.

In addition, it's a little easier for me to get a flatter response in the 15hz mode. 20hz in a smaller room like mine is very dynamic, but I get an even higher shelf below 35hz that's hard to tame with the PEQ. That tends to make things sound a bit bottom heavy. I prefer an even response where the bass above 50hz, the slam, as well as, where it's musical is just as prominent as the deep stuff.
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[colossus]

Hello guys !!! I got the Dual PB13 ULTRAS finally !! Awesome hehehe :-)

After 2 whole days playing around positioning the subs (extremely heavy), finally got a nearly even response from 20HZ to 80HZ by placing them in the middle of the side walls. I preferred the 20Hz mode cause few movies go below 20Hz.

I suggest to all owners of Dual PB13s to do the same if you want the low and mid bass on the same level - you can enjoy both music & movies fully !! Infact if you see the article on audioholics, they say the same thing:

http://www.audioholics.com/tweaks/get-good-bass/multiple-subwoofer-setup-calibration-1

For a single PB13 Ultra, it is ideally placed in the front corner, maybe 30-40 cms away from the wall. Corner placed subs peak mostly in 30-35Hz which you can tame by PEQ or Audyssey Multi EQ.

[danz1906]

Hello guys !!! I got the Dual PB13 ULTRAS finally !! Awesome hehehe :-)

After 2 whole days playing around positioning the subs (extremely heavy), finally got a nearly even response from 20HZ to 80HZ by placing them in the middle of the side walls. I preferred the 20Hz mode cause few movies go below 20Hz.

I suggest to all owners of Dual PB13s to do the same if you want the low and mid bass on the same level - you can enjoy both music & movies fully !! Infact if you see the article on audioholics, they say the same thing:

http://www.audioholics.com/tweaks/get-good-bass/multiple-subwoofer-setup-calibration-1

For a single PB13 Ultra, it is ideally placed in the front corner, maybe 30-40 cms away from the wall. Corner placed subs peak mostly in 30-35Hz which you can tame by PEQ or Audyssey Multi EQ.

Congrats!!!

[danz1906]

With all the new subs coming out and new seal design, the Ultra-13 still
remains one of the best for it's size and price!

[VR3]

This thread has been inactively active for a year and a half...

Insane

[thsmith]

Yep, mine is doing just fine where it is and still impresses me.

[danz1906]

Yep, mine is doing just fine where it is and still impresses me.

SVS hit a Home-run with the Ultra-13, its just a Monster on HT:biggrin:

[leroyjr1]

SVS hit a Home-run with the Ultra-13, its just a Monster on HT:biggrin:

It's decent.:smile:

[danz1906]

It's decent.:smile:

How about Duals:wink:

[leroyjr1]

How about Duals:wink:

It's a ittle better but it doesn't compare to my .....



Bose Acoustimass module.

[danz1906]

It's a ittle better but it doesn't compare to my .....



Bose Acoustimass module.

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