Some talk me out of getting an Emotiva

[JohnLocke88]

Hey guys; I've been talking about it for ages, but I think it's finally time to upgrade to an external amp just to see what all the rage is about.

Of course, I've seen the legions of people supporting Emotiva, but some of the bigger names here on the forums seem to not approve; this disapproval ranging from indifference to outright hostility.

I am asking for those that DO NOT LIKE EMOTIVA, to chime in as to the reasons they think other amps are better, and similarly, to suggest other amps. I am primarily looking for a five channel and possibly another two channel amplifier for 70% HT / 20% games (PSS3) and 10% music.

I have been looking at Adcom, been reading reviews and it seems that the GFA-5500 (2ch) and the GFA-7500 are something I might look into. (Possibly bi-amping the front channels with the 7500, if I only got that one.) These will in all likelihood be powering CSi5, RTi10s, and a pair of TC80i's.

As you might be able to tell, I've been contemplating getting an Emotiva for some time, but I'm not convinced dropping money on an external amplifier is a good idea, unless I'm sure the outcome is worth the money.

Finally, my intention with this thread is not to discredit or disparge Emotiva, or its fans, but instead to gain insight as to why those who DO dislike Emotiva to step forward.

I have seen this (Ricardo's Emotiva story)

http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78497&highlight=emotiva+sucks

but stopped reading after I saw that it had 1,200 replies.

[dkg999]

Just buy it and report back on how well you like it. Nobody else's opinion really matters except yours. If you don't like it, return it or move it along in our FM or audiogon.

Audio is a journey, not a destination, you have to walk the path yourself.

[ESavinon]

Get the EMOTIVA AMP. If you don't like it, you have 30 days to return it.

[Sherardp]

Try it out, if u decide against it, go for a Sunfire.

[F1nut]

70% HT / 20% games (PSS3) and 10% music.


It was made for you.

[BlueFox]

As you might be able to tell, I've been contemplating getting an Emotiva for some time, but I'm not convinced dropping money on an external amplifier is a good idea, unless I'm sure the outcome is worth the money.

I ordered speaker wire today to upgrade my HT that cost more than the Emotiva, so the few dollars an Emotiva costs is worth the money. Assuming the Emotiva works.

[george daniel]

It was made for you.

Ding,ding,ding
Jesse's right,, 70 % HT,, then it was made for consumers like yourself. Me,,I'm thinking about trying a Bryston,, one of these Big A$$ 4 B thingeys. Good luck in your journey.

[jinjuku]

Hey guys; I've been talking about it for ages, but I think it's finally time to upgrade to an external amp just to see what all the rage is about.

Of course, I've seen the legions of people supporting Emotiva, but some of the bigger names here on the forums seem to not approve; this disapproval ranging from indifference to outright hostility.

I am asking for those that DO NOT LIKE EMOTIVA, to chime in as to the reasons they think other amps are better, and similarly, to suggest other amps. I am primarily looking for a five channel and possibly another two channel amplifier for 70% HT / 20% games (PSS3) and 10% music.

I have been looking at Adcom, been reading reviews and it seems that the GFA-5500 (2ch) and the GFA-7500 are something I might look into. (Possibly bi-amping the front channels with the 7500, if I only got that one.) These will in all likelihood be powering CSi5, RTi10s, and a pair of TC80i's.

As you might be able to tell, I've been contemplating getting an Emotiva for some time, but I'm not convinced dropping money on an external amplifier is a good idea, unless I'm sure the outcome is worth the money.

Finally, my intention with this thread is not to discredit or disparge Emotiva, or its fans, but instead to gain insight as to why those who DO dislike Emotiva to step forward.

I have seen this (Ricardo's Emotiva story)

http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78497&highlight=emotiva+sucks

but stopped reading after I saw that it had 1,200 replies.

First suggestion is not to only look on the Polk Forums. Try AVSForum, Home Theater Shack, Audioholics, AVForums.

Second Emotiva does allow you to try their product for 30 days.

Third, do you have a budget that allows you to get a more expensive amp?

I had the chance at length to play around with one of the XPA series amps. Directly compared to my older Crown DC300A and a new NAD Amp. I was impressed with both the build quality and the SQ of this amp especially given it's price point.

[Dawgfish]

I agree with the others, try the Emotiva. I own amps from Adcom, Marsh, and Carver. The Emotiva compares favorably to all of them (in fact I prefer it to the others with my setup). I have had good luck with mine.

[engtaz]

Get Emotiva. Very nice amps and the people of the company are down to earth and easy to talk to. Call them and talk to Dann G. or Lonnie, if you have any worries or have some questions.

[xcapri79]

I couldn't be happier with my pair of XPA-5's on my main system driving my LSi's or my XPA-3 and LPA-1 combo in my master bedroom system driving another set of LSi's.

The Emotiva story thread proved that Emotiva rules for us mere mortals despite the efforts of some the elitists in here to put it down. I think even some of them may have turned the page and have softened their opinion on this success story.
Do I hear cumbaya?

http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78497&highlight=emotiva+story

Enough said!

[cfrizz]

Oh good grief. Get it or don't get it. There is no right or wrong answer here. Emo isn't the be all to end all, nor is it garbage. It's a decent amp at a decent price. Try & hear for yourself whether or not you like it.

If not, then check out Outlaw Audio. Or get something used from Audiogon.

[danz1906]

Go for it:D

[Toolfan66]

There will always be the HI/FI guys MID/FI guys, and well the guys that can get what ever they can piece together. More power to us all, in the end its all about enjoying what you got or can have. Do i want better? well hell yes i do. Wether it be a Yamaha,Emotiva,Krell, and of course Tubes. Get what you can do your homework and if you can Listen to all you can, Cause it's all about enjoying the Movies and Music with the best products you can afford. Me i am a very anal person, and i have to have things match up the best i can.

My biggest advice is to stray away from the cheap ass systems that come in one box put that money away and save a few more bennys and buy used.

Larry.

[iskandam]

If I hadn't joined the ICE Club I wouldn't even consider giving up my XPA-5. It plays very well with RTis and LSis

[wingnut4772]

Get a used Parasound instead.

[Keiko]

Do I hear cumbaya?

Oh Lord, Kumbaya. Yes! I hear it to. Wait a minute...Not! :rolleyes:

LQQk at this:

http://www.ayonaudiousa.com/english/triton/f-triton.htm

:)

[nooshinjohn]

Try it out, if u decide against it, go for a Sunfire.
I am all for the sunfire as well. I would get one of these for the center and surrounds...
http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampsmult&1246731630&/Sunfire-Cinema-Grand-200w-x-5-

...and one of these for the mains.

http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampstran&1246751911&/Sunfire-300-Sunfire-300-Stereo

This combination could be the last amps you ever need. My signature 7x400 is phenominal... this one is on ebay now.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300314690319&_trkparms=tab%3DWatching. If you could score this one for less than 1650.00 you will have quite the deal on your hands. You wont be disappointed! If you have any questions at all Bob Carver will even answer them personally

[cnh]

Oh Lord, Kumbaya. Yes! I hear it to. Wait a minute...Not! :rolleyes:

LQQk at this:

http://www.ayonaudiousa.com/english/triton/f-triton.htm

:)

Shiny! Can that thing also generate a force-field?

cnh

[F1nut]

The Emotiva story thread proved that Emotiva rules for us mere mortals despite the efforts of some the elitists in here to put it down. I think even some of them may have turned the page and have softened their opinion on this success story.

Success story??? LOL

It fits a niche in the entry level HT/audio world. Don't kid yourself.

Enough said!

[cfrizz]

Of course Emo & Outlaw are successes Jesse. They are filling a long over do niche in the audio market that has allowed a lot more people to fully realize & enjoy their gear without going bankrupt doing so.

That is probably what's got audio snobs noses out of joint. Separates are NO longer just the domain of those who have lots of money.

Oh well....TOO DAMN BAD!

[F1nut]

Filling a long over do niche??? The niche market for entry level gear has plenty of offerings already. Emo and Outlaw are but two more with Emo leading as the flavor of the month. However, that doesn't make them a success.

[Keiko]

Shiny! Can that thing also generate a force-field?

cnh

Doubtful, but if I had one and anybody touched it without my consent, I'd knock them on their ass. ;)

[praedet]

Emo and Outlaw are not even in the same league...

If you have heard both, you will know why there is a price difference...

[cfrizz]

Only in your opinion Jesse. If they go under, then they will not be successful. So long as they keep selling their gear and making enough profit to keep going, they ARE successful.

This is hardly rocket science. Tweeter was successful till they went under, but they had a good 30 year run before it happened.

[cfrizz]

No one said that they were in the same league as other companies, that wasn't the point.

There is ALWAYS something better out there to buy. All that is being said that it is a good starting point to get your feet wet in separates if you don't have a lot of money to do so.


Emo and Outlaw are not even in the same league...

If you have heard both, you will know why there is a price difference...

[sandworms]

No one said that they were in the same league as other companies, that wasn't the point.

There is ALWAYS something better out there to buy. All that is being said that it is a good starting point to get your feet wet in separates if you don't have a lot of money to do so.

you tell em frizz

[Matt34]

Success story??? LOL

It fits a niche in the entry level HT/audio world. Don't kid yourself.

Enough said!

Kinda like almost everything sold today under the Polk Audio name? I can't believe how many proclaimed "audiophlies" there are on a forum of a mass market entry level manufacture.

Then again, I'm reminded pretty regularly when I see folks with more money wrapped up in interconnects than what they have in their speakers.

[Monster Jam]

I sense anger....fear. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hatred. Hate leads to suffering. Suffering leads to Bose. ;)

[hearingimpared]

Kinda like almost everything sold today under the Polk Audio name? I can't believe how many proclaimed "audiophlies" there are on a forum of a mass market entry level manufacture.

Then again, I'm reminded pretty regularly when I see folks with more money wrapped up in interconnects than what they have in their speakers.

Huh :confused::confused::confused:

[F1nut]

Only in your opinion Jesse. If they go under, then they will not be successful. So long as they keep selling their gear and making enough profit to keep going, they ARE successful.

This is hardly rocket science. Tweeter was successful till they went under, but they had a good 30 year run before it happened.

Who's talking about staying in business? I'm talking about being successful in making a product that receives critical acclaim. Bose has been in business for a long time, I wouldn't call anything they've made successful.


Kinda like almost everything sold today under the Polk Audio name? I can't believe how many proclaimed "audiophlies" there are on a forum of a mass market entry level manufacture.

Then again, I'm reminded pretty regularly when I see folks with more money wrapped up in interconnects than what they have in their speakers.



You obviously don't get what this place is about.

[comfortablycurt]

Huh :confused::confused::confused:

x2

What?


I wasn't aware that Polk LSi's and the vintage SDA's were such entry level equipment. Sure, they don't cost 30,000 dollars a pair, but not everyone has that kind of scratch.

Is it possible that some people use Polk speakers because they...like how they sound?

[Toolfan66]

Kinda like almost everything sold today under the Polk Audio name? I can't believe how many proclaimed "audiophlies" there are on a forum of a mass market entry level manufacture.

Then again, I'm reminded pretty regularly when I see folks with more money wrapped up in interconnects than what they have in their speakers.


WTH!!! :confused:

[Hilbert]

"As you might be able to tell, I've been contemplating getting an Emotiva for some time, but I'm not convinced dropping money on an external amplifier is a good idea, unless I'm sure the outcome is worth the money."

XPA-5 is worth the money. This afternoon, with my LSi9s, Coltrane was in the room. Or so it seemed. (Must admit, it doesn't always seem that way, but it did today.)

Perhaps one day Emotiva will build an amp with a vacuum tube sticking out of the top, thereby disarming all criticism.

[apphd]

x2

What?


I wasn't aware that Polk LSi's and the vintage SDA's were such entry level equipment. Sure, they don't cost 30,000 dollars a pair, but not everyone has that kind of scratch.

Is it possible that some people use Polk speakers because they...like how they sound?

Sorry, not to pick on you Curt but this makes it easy for me to say what I want to. (at the end of post)

I wasn't aware that Emo's RPA1 and the RSP1 were such entry level equipment. Sure, they don't cost 30,000 dollars each, but not everyone has that kind of scratch.

Is it possible that some people use Emo elctronics because they...like how they sound?

Made the edits to show how silly some of these threads start sounding.

[renowilliams]

Ding,ding,ding
Jesse's right,, 70 % HT,, then it was made for consumers like yourself. Me,,I'm thinking about trying a Bryston,, one of these Big A$$ 4 B thingeys. Good luck in your journey.

I work right across the street where they make Bryston amps. I wish every day for one to fall off a truck....lol

[cfrizz]

Well now I'm sure Bose is laughing all the way to the bank with their LACK of "critical acclaim"

I doubt any Bose owner went looking to make sure that Bose had critical acclaim, but they are enjoying their systems all the same without it.

I know that I enjoy my system without worrying if any of the pieces in it got critical acclaim, and as far as I know ALL of the companies in it are/were successful.

It's snobs like you who give audiophiles a bad name, which is why I stay as far away from that title as possible!



Who's talking about staying in business? I'm talking about being successful in making a product that receives critical acclaim. Bose has been in business for a long time, I wouldn't call anything they've made successful.

[cfrizz]

DING, DING, DING! And we have the winning common sense statements right here folks!:D



x2

What?


I wasn't aware that Polk LSi's and the vintage SDA's were such entry level equipment. Sure, they don't cost 30,000 dollars a pair, but not everyone has that kind of scratch.

Is it possible that some people use Polk speakers because they...like how they sound?


"As you might be able to tell, I've been contemplating getting an Emotiva for some time, but I'm not convinced dropping money on an external amplifier is a good idea, unless I'm sure the outcome is worth the money."

XPA-5 is worth the money. This afternoon, with my LSi9s, Coltrane was in the room. Or so it seemed. (Must admit, it doesn't always seem that way, but it did today.)

Perhaps one day Emotiva will build an amp with a vacuum tube sticking out of the top, thereby disarming all criticism.


Sorry, not to pick on you Curt but this makes it easy for me to say what I want to. (at the end of post)

I wasn't aware that Emo's RPA1 and the RSP1 were such entry level equipment. Sure, they don't cost 30,000 dollars each, but not everyone has that kind of scratch.

Is it possible that some people use Emo elctronics because they...like how they sound?

Made the edits to show how silly some of these threads start sounding.

[hearingimpared]

Well now I'm sure Bose is laughing all the way to the bank with their LACK of "critical acclaim"

I doubt any Bose owner went looking to make sure that Bose had critical acclaim, but they are enjoying their systems all the same without it.

I know that I enjoy my system without worrying if any of the pieces in it got critical acclaim, and as far as I know ALL of the companies in it are/were successful.

It's snobs like you who give audiophiles a bad name, which is why I stay as far away from that title as possible!

Jesse you big meanie snob!:D

[Keiko]

Kinda like almost everything sold today under the Polk Audio name? I can't believe how many proclaimed "audiophlies" there are on a forum of a mass market entry level manufacture.

Then again, I'm reminded pretty regularly when I see folks with more money wrapped up in interconnects than what they have in their speakers.

I have more money tied up in IC's and speaker cables than I do my speakers, but then again I never proclaimed myself as an audiophile.
Care to try again? :rolleyes:

[Matt34]

x2

What?


I wasn't aware that Polk LSi's and the vintage SDA's were such entry level equipment. Sure, they don't cost 30,000 dollars a pair, but not everyone has that kind of scratch.

Is it possible that some people use Polk speakers because they...like how they sound?

If you read what I wrote I said "almost" everything made "today". I wasn't aware the SDA or LSI was still in production.

It's just comical that some here take every chance to bash Emotiva yet they do so from a website ran by a company that sells the majority of there equipment in the same price bracket. Saying it's "entry level" stuff and that you need $2000 amps to run your RTI series speakers.:rolleyes:

[F1nut]

It's snobs like you who give audiophiles a bad name, which is why I stay as far away from that title as possible!

Don't worry, you'd never get an audiophile card anyway.

[Keiko]

If you read what I wrote I said "almost" everything made "today". I wasn't aware the SDA or LSI was still in production.

It's just comical that some here take every chance to bash Emotiva yet they do so from a website ran by a company that sells the majority of there equipment in the same price bracket. Saying it's "entry level" stuff and that you need $2000 amps to run your RTI series speakers.:rolleyes:

My 500.00 receiver runs my RTi's just fine. :)

[F1nut]

If you read what I wrote I said "almost" everything made "today". I wasn't aware the SDA or LSI was still in production.


Ummmmmm........The LSi series is still in production.


It's just comical that some here take every chance to bash Emotiva yet they do so from a website ran by a company that sells the majority of there equipment in the same price bracket. Saying it's "entry level" stuff and that you need $2000 amps to run your RTI series speakers.:rolleyes:

What's comical is your lack of knowledge.

[Keiko]

Saying it's "entry level" stuff and that you need $2000 amps to run your RTI series speakers.

Who said this? :confused:

[comfortablycurt]

If you read what I wrote I said "almost" everything made "today". I wasn't aware the SDA or LSI was still in production.

It's just comical that some here take every chance to bash Emotiva yet they do so from a website ran by a company that sells the majority of there equipment in the same price bracket. Saying it's "entry level" stuff and that you need $2000 amps to run your RTI series speakers.:rolleyes:

Umm...I'm pretty sure the LSi series is still in production. In fact, I'm absolutely certain that they are.

I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that you need a 2000 dollar amp to run RTi's. Not to say that you can't, or shouldn't, but it's definitely not necessary.

My RTi's sound just fine running off of my 350 dollar Onkyo 606 AVR.


What you've got to bear in mind, is that not everyone here even runs Polk speakers anymore. Polk isn't the epitome of hi-fi sound, and they don't claim to be. They've always considered themselves to be something of a gateway to hi-fi. Many many people here started out with Polk speakers, and have since moved up the ladder to much more expensive speakers. They still stick around here though, because there is a huge base of knowledge here, and there's a very family like atmosphere.

[Matt34]

My 500.00 receiver runs my RTi's just fine. :)

That's great, I'm sure it does.

[Matt34]

Umm...I'm pretty sure the LSi series is still in production. In fact, I'm absolutely certain that they are.

I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that you need a 2000 dollar amp to run RTi's. Not to say that you can't, or shouldn't, but it's definitely not necessary.

My RTi's sound just fine running off of my 350 dollar Onkyo 606 AVR.

Yep, my mistake. I thought the LSI were retired.

[cfrizz]

I would't want one. It's just a name people give themselves to make themselves sound important and different, when the truth is they are just as dumb & unimportant as everyone else.

Nothing like being a legend in your own mind. Too bad the delusional poor souls don't know that no one else gives a crap.


Don't worry, you'd never get an audiophile card anyway.

[F1nut]

I would't want one. It's just a name people give themselves to make themselves sound important and different, when the truth is they are just as dumb & unimportant as everyone else.

Nothing like being a legend in your own mind. Too bad the delusional poor souls don't know that no one else gives a crap.

Some of us aspire to greater heights. Obviously, you're not one of them and that's fine, but how dare you pass judgement on those that do and/or have. As such, your comments in this thread make you seem rather foolish. I would suggest you not comment any further and remove all doubt.

[xcapri79]

I have more money tied up in IC's and speaker cables than I do my speakers, but then again I never proclaimed myself as an audiophile.
:rolleyes:

To borrow a line from Seth and Amy of SNL, "Really!?!"


Some of us aspire to greater heights. Obviously, you're not one of them and that's fine, but how dare you pass judgement on those that do and/or have. As such, your comments in this thread make you seem rather foolish. I would suggest you not comment any further and remove all doubt.

That's not being a gentleman. I suggest you make an apology to Cfrizz.

[cfrizz]

You have it backwards. I have come a long way since my first system Jesse.

The difference between you & I is that I always try to remember where I started & not let my ego make me arrogant, condescending & generally unhelpful when it comes to helping out others.

You are the one who is ALWAYS classifiying gear as entry, mid, hi-fi. If going up the audio chain makes me as obnoxious as you, then yeah, I'll skip it.

I don't care where a person is on the audio chain, I simply try to help them get the best gear they can within their budget & urge them to spend a little more to really bring out the best in their gear.

I can't remember when the last time was that you did that on this forum.

You have a lot of knowledge & could be so helpful on this board, but all you do is snipe at newbies & act like internet bully. You've changed 180 degrees since I first met you on this board Jesse and not for the better I'm sorry to say.


Some of us aspire to greater heights. Obviously, you're not one of them and that's fine, but how dare you pass judgement on those that do and/or have. As such, your comments in this thread make you seem rather foolish. I would suggest you not comment any further and remove all doubt.

[Keiko]

To borrow a line from Seth and Amy of SNL, "Really!?!"

No, not really. I just made it all up, 79Pinto. :rolleyes:

[xcapri79]

No, not really. I just made it all up. :rolleyes:
Really, like most everything else you have posted? Thanks for setting it straight my friend. :)

[Keiko]

You're welcome....Really! :)

[F1nut]

You have it backwards. I have come a long way since my first system Jesse.

No, I got it right.


The difference between you & I is that I always try to remember where I started & not let my ego make me arrogant, condescending & generally unhelpful when it comes to helping out others.

That's a laugh.


You are the one who is ALWAYS classifiying gear as entry, mid, hi-fi. If going up the audio chain makes me as obnoxious as you, then yeah, I'll skip it.

Gee, could that be because there is a difference and unlike you, I know what they are.



I don't care where a person is on the audio chain, I simply try to help them get the best gear they can within their budget & urge them to spend a little more to really bring out the best in their gear.

Really? When's the last time you recommended something other than 200wpc, Rotel, Emo, Parasound, NAD, etc.?



I can't remember when the last time was that you did that on this forum.

You haven't been paying attention.



You have a lot of knowledge & could be so helpful on this board, but all you do is snipe at newbies & act like internet bully. You've changed 180 degrees since I first met you on this board Jesse and not for the better I'm sorry to say.

Feel free to put me on your ignore list, you just joined mine.

[Keiko]

Cathy and Jesse, as CP veterans and as people you're both better than this. I, as well as many other members respect you both. Just agree to disagree, please.

[F1nut]

Cathy and Jesse, as CP veterans and as people you're both better than this. I, as well as many other members respect you both. Just agree to disagree, please.

Well let's see Mike, so far I've been called the following; snob, arrogant, condescending & generally unhelpful, obnoxious, dumb & unimportant, bully and delusional.

On the other hand, I've kept things pretty clean only suggesting that her comments in this thread are making her seem foolish, not that she is a fool.

I don't see anything that I need to apologize for, nor do I see a reason to agree to disagree with someone who has repeatedly attacked me.

[Keiko]

Well, I've never viewed you as any of the above Jesse. Matter of fact, I find many of your posts helpful. You contribute a great deal here. Same goes for you Cathy. Hopefully any differences you both have can be worked out.

Aloha, malama pono. :)

[cnh]

Really...all this over a friendly give and take for a guy who just wants to hear what the senior members feel about his buying an Emotiva. Is it really worth this fallout for that?

We've got to learn to relax a little. I'm with Keiko here. Both of you are, from what I've seen in my short time here; Valued members of this community who contribute greatly to its knowledge base. And give those of us who are in the middle or at the beginning of this journey excellent counsel.

cnh

[F1nut]

Tags
f1nut=pompous ass


xcapri is responsible for this tag. He's what's known as a coward.

[F1nut]

Really...all this over a friendly give and take for a guy who just wants to hear what the senior members feel about his buying an Emotiva. Is it really worth this fallout for that?



It would seem that Ms. Frizz has been harboring some pent up emotions. :rolleyes:

[Keiko]

xcapri is responsible for this tag. He's what's known as a coward.

And a troublemaker. Must be due to low self esteem.

[Hawkeye]

JL88, I'm going to go out on limb here. First, disregard the petty arguing amongst members.

You would not have much to loose by trying an amp. Are there better amps out there? Of course there are. But if you are interested in this hobby, you have to take that second step. You may find that it was a waste of money and send it back. On the other hand, you may find the end of the rainbow with it!

In time, you my find you want something else. Either an amp with different "house" sound or a feature that appeals to you. Personally, I dislike the "Low-Mid-Hi-Fi" label applied to pieces of gear. Different sounds and features end up costing more and more money.

I listened to a 1.2 MILLION dollar system this weekend. I'll never be able to afford a system like that and it does not concern me in the least.

Don't be afraid to at least try. The Emo may be a lot of money for you or it may not. But don't waver. Try it and see for yourself.

Gordon

[Toolfan66]

Really...all this over a friendly give and take for a guy who just wants to hear what the senior members feel about his buying an Emotiva. Is it really worth this fallout for that?

We've got to learn to relax a little. I'm with Keiko here. Both of you are, from what I've seen in my short time here; Valued members of this community who contribute greatly to its knowledge base. And give those of us who are in the middle or at the beginning of this journey excellent counsel.

cnh


+1 on this, Well said cnh, this also goes to you and mike as well, both of you are very helpful as well, as quite a few other guys here. I would not be where i am at if not for this place period. Learning what i have, and being able to enjoy my music and movies at this stage is unreal.my family and friends freak out when they come over. it is amazing how many people have no idea that you can have such great sound. and i am not sure if what i have would be considered lo/fi or mid/fi, not that i care. I know it's not hi/fi but it kicks ass none the less.

Larry.

[Keiko]

It's not about what ya have. It's about enjoying what you have. Whether it's Emotiva, Polk, Bose, Audiovox, JC Penny, whatever. If you enjoy it and it brings you joy in listening, then that's all that matters.

[nooshinjohn]

It's not about what ya have. It's about enjoying what you have. Whether it's Emotiva, Polk, Bose, Audiovox, JC Penny, whatever. If you enjoy it and it brings you joy in listening, then that's all that matters.

so long as its not Radio Shack... we will let you live:D

[BlueFox]

I listened to a 1.2 MILLION dollar system this weekend.

Just out of curiosity, what do you get for 1.2 million dollars these days? I hope it was more than a CDP, pre/power amp, 2 speakers, along with wire and ICs.

My 1.2 million system would be a $700K house with a $500K HT and stereo.

[Keiko]

so long as its not Radio Shack... we will let you live:D
I'm using some dual nanners I bought from Radio Shack that have served me well. :)

[Hilbert]

I listened to a 1.2 MILLION dollar system this weekend. I'll never be able to afford a system like that and it does not concern me in the least.

Gordon

It wasn't the cd player in a Bugatti Veyron was it?

You ought perhaps to start a new thread: "What a million bucks buys."

In particular, how does it compare with a comparable system from Em---oh, wait, never mind.

[F1nut]

Tags
so true

Bluefox is responsible for this one. Another coward.

[joeparaski]

I was just wondering if I needed to get another bag of popcorn for tomorrow?

What was the original post about anyway?....oh yeah, Emotiva. Well all I gotta say it that it's all IN THE EARS man. At a recent audio show I listened to the same piece of music on systems ranging from a 10 thousand to over 100 thousand. The difference was not "night and day" to MY ears. Therefore, in MY case, it is irrelevant whether I use a $1,000 amplifier or a $10,000 amplifier....I most likely won't hear the difference even if there is one.

Sooooo.....how sensitive are YOUR ears? If your wallet allows you, go for the big expensive amplifier and the bragging rights that go with it. If not, Emotiva gives a pretty good bang for the buck and they look pretty good too.

Joe

[Hawkeye]

Just out of curiosity, what do you get for 1.2 million dollars these days? I hope it was more than a CDP, pre/power amp, 2 speakers, along with wire and ICs.

My 1.2 million system would be a $700K house with a $500K HT and stereo.

This man is a friend of mine and his house alone is 1.2 M. I've never in my life heard anything quite like this. This is what 1.2 M in audio/video will get you:

http://www.hometheaterdesignmag.com/traditional/207mc/

Absolutely breathtaking!

Gordon

[Hawkeye]

Bluefox is responsible for this one. Another coward.

Is this really necessary?

Gordon

[BlueFox]

Bluefox is responsible for this one. Another coward.

Wow!! You are in a fantasy world. I have never added a tag to any post. I still do not really understand their purpose.

In so far as being a coward, I have no problem telling you to your face you are a fool if you deserve it. I have done it in the past, and I will do it again here.

[hearingimpared]

This man is a friend of mine and his house alone is 1.2 M. I've never in my life heard anything quite like this. This is what 1.2 M in audio/video will get you:

http://www.hometheaterdesignmag.com/traditional/207mc/

Absolutely breathtaking!

Gordon

Wow that looks like Joeparaski's house!:D

[comfortablycurt]

This man is a friend of mine and his house alone is 1.2 M. I've never in my life heard anything quite like this. This is what 1.2 M in audio/video will get you:

http://www.hometheaterdesignmag.com/traditional/207mc/

Absolutely breathtaking!

Gordon

That is insanity...pure insanity.:eek:

I want one.

[pearsall001]

This man is a friend of mine and his house alone is 1.2 M. I've never in my life heard anything quite like this. This is what 1.2 M in audio/video will get you:

http://www.hometheaterdesignmag.com/traditional/207mc/

Absolutely breathtaking!

Gordon

Ah, Master Lu, what a set up!!!! He's my idle when it comes to Mac gear. If I want to catch up to him, I'd better get on the ball & get that MC402 for starters.

Man, I'd love to get my ears on that system for sure! When you talk to him again Gordon, tell him to watch out for the competition. :eek:

[xcapri79]

xcapri is responsible for this tag. He's what's known as a coward.

Not true and not true. You seem to be on a roll. Another apology is owed.

[xcapri79]

Wow!! You are in a fantasy world. I have never added a tag to any post. I still do not really understand their purpose.

In so far as being a coward, I have no problem telling you to your face you are a fool if you deserve it. I have done it in the past, and I will do it again here.

F1 needs to chill out and put his shotgun away. There is likely something else bothering him in his life for him to react in such a manner.

[Knucklehead]

This man is a friend of mine and his house alone is 1.2 M. I've never in my life heard anything quite like this. This is what 1.2 M in audio/video will get you:

http://www.hometheaterdesignmag.com/traditional/207mc/

Absolutely breathtaking!

Gordon

Where is the "on" button?:eek:

[F1nut]

Spin it anyway you want, I know better. You're both F-tards of the highest order.

[hearingimpared]

F1 needs to chill out and put his shotgun away. There is likely something else bothering him in his life for him to react in such a manner.

You're nothing but a trouble-making troll. You swoop in where you don't belong and take cheap shots like calling people elitests. What's bothering you in your life that you need to troll? What's wrong with your life that when you are proven wrong you can't man up and admit it? See the various threads where you were proven wrong by several people and just flipped it off. You are a coward.

[Knucklehead]

Spin it anyway you want, I know better. You're both F-tards of the highest order.

Dude, please dont use that word, my nephew is impaired....not cool.

[Matt34]

xcapri is responsible for this tag. He's what's known as a coward.


It would seem that Ms. Frizz has been harboring some pent up emotions. :rolleyes:


Bluefox is responsible for this one. Another coward.


Spin it anyway you want, I know better. You're both F-tards of the highest order.

Unless I missed it there isn't anyway to track who posts the tags so you are just going to start laying blame to anyone instead of taking the high ground and just ignoring it?

[F1nut]

This message is hidden because Matt34 is on your ignore list.


....

[Poee7R]

Some talk me out of getting an Emotiva

They're ugly, they run like a girl and sit down to pee, and not to mention they smell quite awful.


Dave

PS, F1 wins.
Game Over

[Keiko]

This man is a friend of mine and his house alone is 1.2 M. I've never in my life heard anything quite like this. This is what 1.2 M in audio/video will get you:

http://www.hometheaterdesignmag.com/traditional/207mc/

Absolutely breathtaking!

Gordon

Beautiful! If I had that kind of dough. Why not. :cool:

[xcapri79]

You're nothing but a trouble-making troll. You swoop in where you don't belong and take cheap shots like calling people elitests. What's bothering you in your life that you need to troll? What's wrong with your life that when you are proven wrong you can't man up and admit it? See the various threads where you were proven wrong by several people and just flipped it off. You are a coward.

You make my point so well. Over 10,000 posts. Enough said. Thank you.

[NJPOLKER]

Unless I missed it there isn't anyway to track who posts the tags so you are just going to start laying blame to anyone instead of taking the high ground and just ignoring it?

Matt, unless you are ignorant, and I don't think you are, who else wrote those tags? It's too bad we have cowards around who do stuff like that because the tags are meant to be a useful tool not for tools to write dumb things.

[Keiko]

Obvious to me also who tagged at least one of them. Lying coward.

[xcapri79]

Matt, unless you are ignorant, and I don't think you are, who else wrote those tags? It's too bad we have cowards around who do stuff like that because the tags are meant to be a useful tool not for tools to write dumb things.

Agreed, but it is also wrong to falsely accuse someone of creating a tag when it is untrue. There are hundreds of lurkers who might have done it. The person responsible certainly got his or hers jolies out of the further dissention it has caused.

Now. Brothers and sisters let's all take a deep breath and hum cumbaya.
Let's turn our focus back to the subject of this thread!

[superjunior]

This is all very entertaining from a noobe's point of view, but not very helpful to us new folks trying to learn something. What ever happened to op? Love my emo btw :) ..couldn't be happier with it!

[lightman1]

Spin it anyway you want, I know better. You're both F-tards of the highest order.
I have the copyright on F-tard, Jesse.;)

[Keiko]

Agreed, but it is also wrong to falsely accuse someone of creating a tag when it is untrue. There are hundreds of lurkers who might have done it. The person responsible certainly got his or hers jolies out of the further dissention it has caused.

Now. Brothers and sisters let's all take a deep breath and hum cumbaya.
You have a knack to pontificate redundancy. It's a dead giveaway.

[hearingimpared]

You make my point so well. Over 10,000 posts. Enough said. Thank you.

How many people in this club have you helpED? ZERO . . . TROLLLLLL! How many gatherings have you hosted for club members? ZERO. . . . TROLLLL!!!! How many karmas have you sponsored? ZERO . . . TROLLLLL! . . . shall I continue or are you going to keep shoving your foot in your big mouth? You are the pompous ass!

[Keiko]

I have the copyright on F-tard, Jesse.;)
Russ! You F-tard. STFU :p

[Knucklehead]

I have the copyright on F-tard, Jesse.;)

You really shouldnt use a form of that particular word, Some people find it offensive.

[xcapri79]

You have a knack to pontificate redundancy. It's a dead giveaway.

Well my friend, I support Emotiva amplifiers and if owning two Emotiva XPA-5's is redundancy, I plead guilty. I'm just a happy customer of Emotiva, Polk Audio and Pioneer Electronics and would recommend them all.

[Keiko]

You really shouldnt use a form of that particular word, Some people find it offensive.

Lighten up.

[hearingimpared]

You really shouldnt use a form of that particular word, Some people find it offensive.

In your short time here you seem to have found a lot of things offensive. Thick skin is in order.

[comfortablycurt]

Xcapri- Quit being so redundant, you Emo loving F-tard.


Knucklehead-Lighten up man...it's only a word, and it's only offensive if you take it as such. It's not as if it really means anything. I call my friend f*#ktards all the time...it doesn't really mean anything though. It's just kind of something that you say.

Words have too many stigmas.

Such as...it's ok for me to say...fricken, when everybody in the world knows what "fricken" is supposed to represent, but god forbid I drop an F-bomb.

[Knucklehead]

Lighten up.

I dont like it, and someone close to me is impaired. Pisses me off to hear someone throw that around.:mad:

[xcapri79]

How many people in this club have you helpED? ZERO . . . TROLLLLLL! How many gatherings have you hosted for club members? ZERO. . . . TROLLLL!!!! How many karmas have you sponsored? ZERO . . . TROLLLLL! . . . shall I continue or are you going to keep shoving your foot in your big mouth? You are the pompous ass!

You are doing a fine job of exposing who you are.
The evidence is for all to see, sir.
The subject is Emotiva, let's stick to that.

[Knucklehead]

In your short time here you seem to have found a lot of things offensive. Thick skin is in order.

getting thicker everyday....sorry we cant all be alike

[Knucklehead]

Quit being so redundant, you Emo loving F-tard.


Knucklehead-Lighten up man...it's only a word, and it's only offensive if you take it as such. It's not as if it really means anything. I call my friend f*#ktards all the time...it doesn't really mean anything though. It's just kind of something that you say.

Words have too many stigmas.

Such as...it's ok for me to say...fricken, when everybody in the world knows what "fricken" is supposed to represent, but god forbid I drop an F-bomb.

And I take it as such...thanks

[Keiko]

In your short time here you seem to have found a lot of things offensive. Thick skin is in order.
He uses the moniker of "Knucklehead" yet finds the term "F-tard" offensive. :confused:

I'm not your friend, Pinto.

[comfortablycurt]

I dont like it, and someone close to me is impaired. Pisses me off to hear someone throw that around.:mad:

Someone close to me is mentally impaired...my nephew too actually, but that doesn't mean that I have a big stigma around the word retard, or in this case, F-tard.

Words only mean what you take from them. It's not as if anyone is making fun of mentally challenged people here. It's good natured ribbing.

Welcome to the internet. Not everything is going to be to your liking here. It's not centered around you, and what you want it to be like. Sorry.

[hearingimpared]

You are doing a fine job of exposing who you are.
The evidence is for all to see, sir.
The subject is Emotiva, let's stick to that.

You are the one who once again has been exposed and now all of a sudden you want to return to the topic at hand. Be off troll.

[Knucklehead]

He uses the moniker of "Knucklehead" yet finds the term "F-tard" offensive. :confused:

I'm not your friend, Pinto.

Knucklehead phrase was from the three stooges which I enjoyed very much. Someone close to me is impaired and I dont like the word, whats the big deal?

[hearingimpared]

Someone close to me is impaired and I dont like the word, whats the big deal?

You're the one making a big deal of it.

[Knucklehead]

You're the one making a big deal of it.

The word "Tard".....yes I was, stop using it.

[Keiko]

Knucklehead phrase was from the three stooges which I enjoyed very much. Someone close to me is impaired and I dont like the word, whats the big deal?

Beats the sh*t outa me. :confused: Maybe you're just taking it personally.

[Knucklehead]

Beats the sh*t outa me. :confused: Maybe you're just taking it personally.

Ok...now the lightbulb comes on.......I do take it personally because my Nephew is impaired.

[lightman1]

Russ! You F-tard. STFU :p
Mike has store-bought boobs.

[hearingimpared]

The word "Tard".....yes I was, stop using it.

Anything else your magesty?

[comfortablycurt]

Is anyone here talking about your nephew? I think we were talking Xcapri and a few other people.

Mainly XCapri of course(who has earned every bit of the title "F-tard").

Grow some skin man. The internet doesn't revolve around you, and your definition of etiquette.

Keiko is a cousin loving F-tard.

See how I just said something offensive to Mike? It doesn't mean anything though, because I was joking. I don't really think he's a cousin loving F-tard.(or is he?)

Take that as an example that words don't necessarily mean anything at all.

We're going to have to get Knucklehead to write up a whole new set of rules and guidelines for Club Polk. Get ready for big changes everyone. Knucklehead is taking control.

[lightman1]

Tagged:D

[xcapri79]

The word "Tard".....yes I was, stop using it.

Our friend is not only hearingimpared [sic] but also appears to be reading impaired too. It must be the 10,000 Club Polk posts that have gone to his head, poor fellow.

Emotiva makes good quality, economical, high performing amps and I would personally recommend them. Their amps make my Polk Audio LSi's sound great.

[Keiko]

Mike has store-bought boobs.
And I wear hot pink leoTARDS. ;)

[Knucklehead]

Is anyone here talking about your nephew? I think we were talking about Mike, and Russ...Even Joe possibly.

As well as XCapri of course(who has earned every bit of the title "F-tard").

Grow some skin man. The internet doesn't revolve around you, and your definition of etiquette.

Keiko is a cousin loving F-tard.

See how I just said something offensive to Mike? It doesn't mean anything though, because I was joking. I don't really think he's a cousin loving F-tard.

All I did was ask to stop using that word...thats all. As a courtesy to another human being that is impaired. some of you are trying drag me into a name calling sideshow here, i'm not doing it. you would feel differently if you knew where I was coming from. Keep saying it....whatever...let your true colors shine through. Where's the mod's when you need em?

[Keiko]

Keiko is a cousin loving F-tard.


Yeah, and she's a hot Asian bimbo. Just like me. You'd want her to. She'd F-tard you silly.

[Knucklehead]

Yeah, and she's a hot Asian bimbo. Just like me. You'd want her to. She'd F-tard you silly.

reported

[comfortablycurt]

Yeah, and she's a hot Asian bimbo. Just like me. You'd want her to. She'd F-tard you silly.

Does she live with you in Hawaii? I might have to take a trip down there if that's the case.:p


reported

Reported what? I've never seen anything in the rules about not being able to use censored curse words.

Chill out man. Don't take everything so personally.

Is it against the rules for me to call myself an F-tard? Because I really am an F-tard sometimes.

[hearingimpared]

reported

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[NJPOLKER]

Hey guys; I've been talking about it for ages, but I think it's finally time to upgrade to an external amp just to see what all the rage is about.

Of course, I've seen the legions of people supporting Emotiva, but some of the bigger names here on the forums seem to not approve; this disapproval ranging from indifference to outright hostility.

I am asking for those that DO NOT LIKE EMOTIVA, to chime in as to the reasons they think other amps are better, and similarly, to suggest other amps. I am primarily looking for a five channel and possibly another two channel amplifier for 70% HT / 20% games (PSS3) and 10% music.

I have been looking at Adcom, been reading reviews and it seems that the GFA-5500 (2ch) and the GFA-7500 are something I might look into. (Possibly bi-amping the front channels with the 7500, if I only got that one.) These will in all likelihood be powering CSi5, RTi10s, and a pair of TC80i's.

As you might be able to tell, I've been contemplating getting an Emotiva for some time, but I'm not convinced dropping money on an external amplifier is a good idea, unless I'm sure the outcome is worth the money.

Finally, my intention with this thread is not to discredit or disparge Emotiva, or its fans, but instead to gain insight as to why those who DO dislike Emotiva to step forward.

I have seen this (Ricardo's Emotiva story)

http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78497&highlight=emotiva+sucks

but stopped reading after I saw that it had 1,200 replies.


John,
You said you want to upgrade to an external amp. So upgrade and buy yourself a good amp not a Emotiva. They may not be bad but they are not really what you want and you probably know that. You want a high current amp like a Rotel or Adcom and you won't be disappointed. With the Emotiva you will always wonder if you should have gone for a higher quality amp for higher performance, we all do. Just do it right the first time and you won't regret it. And if you have the money to spend there are plenty of excellent options to choose from.

[lightman1]

Reported what? I've never seen anything in the rules about not being able to use censored curse words.
'cept the F-bomb:o

[Keiko]

reported

Oh Boo Hoo! Seems I recall you using some interesting metaphors on F1nut awhile back Knucklehead. Self righteous hypocrite. Grow some skin, moron.

[cnh]

NJ,

Nice tacking! Are we back on course now? Or have we all had one too many brewskies today.....it is Memorial Day after all!

cnh

[NJPOLKER]

I'm challenged :confused: and impaired thanks to many Budweisers.
We have a lot of peckerheads around here thats for sure.

Cowards too

[lightman1]

Oh Boo Hoo! Seems I recall you using some interesting metaphors on F1nut awhile back Knucklehead. Self righteous hypocrite. Grow some skin, moron.
Step back and take a breath, Mike. :cool:

[lightman1]

I'm challenged :confused: and impaired thanks to many Budweisers.
We have a lot of peckerheads around here thats for sure.
I'm the head pecker. Dig it?

[Knucklehead]

Oh Boo Hoo! Seems I recall you using some interesting metaphors on F1nut awhile back Knucklehead. Self righteous hypocrite. Grow some skin, moron.

And I apologized to him...i did not call him a "tard"....Besides it had nothing to do with you. Keep calling me names...whatever makes you feel good.....

[Keiko]

'cept the F-bomb:o
I think someone dropped an F-tard bomb on CP recently. There's just so many around lately. It's not that I dislike F-tards really. I just seem to feel better when they're not around. :rolleyes:

[NJPOLKER]

You know who's not a coward?

lightman1 he seems to call them as he see's them. He would never write a cowardly tag!

[NJPOLKER]

I wonder what ever happened to JohnLocke88

[xcapri79]

Step back and take a breath, Mike. :cool:

I recommended that in #92.

[Knucklehead]

I think someone dropped an F-tard bomb on CP recently. There's just so many around lately. It's not that I dislike F-tards really. I just seem to feel better when they're not around. :rolleyes:

you can do better than that

[NJPOLKER]

you can do better than that

Sad thing is he's right.

[lightman1]

You know who's not a coward?

lightman1 he seems to call them as he see's them. He would never write a cowardly tag!
...;)

Thanks:o

[Knucklehead]

Sad thing is he's right.

No really, the sad thing is his posts.

[NJPOLKER]

...;)

Thanks:o

Your more than welcome but that does not mean you can hump my leg :eek:

[Keiko]

Step back and take a breath, Mike. :cool:
I'm cool bro. A spade's a spade after all. Just call it the way I see's it. ;)

[NJPOLKER]

No really, the sad thing is his posts.

He's a real good guy. I'm not say your not but you are a little out of line.

[xcapri79]

You know who's not a coward?

lightman1 he seems to call them as he see's them. He would never write a cowardly tag!

Just have a Club Polk Moderator check who set the tags and it would be easy. When that is determined, I expect to see some apologies from the self-righteous "Sherlock Holmes" of this thread.

Now I set one tag namely "emotiva". I hope that isn't wrong.

[Knucklehead]

Self righteous hypocrite. Grow some skin, moron.

Not sure how that applies here when Im clearly taking up for a 9 year old little boy.:rolleyes:

[comfortablycurt]

Your more than welcome but that does not mean you can hump my leg :eek:

You've got a point. Being NJPOLKER's leg humper is a very prestigious position. One that I hope to attain one day myself.;):p

[Keiko]

No really, the sad thing is his posts.
No, the sad thing is you're a thin skinned hypocrite.

[lightman1]

I recommended that in #92.

Mike has a heart condition.
I don't care what everyone else does.

[Knucklehead]

He's a real good guy. I'm not say your not but you are a little out of line.

Im sure he is....and if I was out of line then i apologize. It was all about 1 word.

[Knucklehead]

No, the sad thing is you're a thin skinned hypocrite.

forgive me for being a thinned skinned hypocrite for talking up for a kid

[Keiko]

Not sure how that applies here when Im clearly taking up for a 9 year old little boy.:rolleyes:
Not sure how this 9yo little boy equates here, but it's obviously your problem.

[lightman1]

Your more than welcome but that does not mean you can hump my leg :eek:
Damn....I was almost there...

[Knucklehead]

Not sure how this 9yo little boy equates here, but it's obviously your problem.

It applies because he is impaired and that word equates to being impared. yes it is my problem. Didnt expect this from you guys.

[NJPOLKER]

Just have a Club Polk Moderator check who set the tags and it would be easy. When that is determined, I expect to see some apologies from the self-righteous "Sherlock Holmes" of this thread.

Now I set one tag namely "emotiva". I hope that isn't wrong.

Did I say you were the coward who added a stupid tag? Nope but now you got me thinking maybe you did and you know it can't be traced.

[Keiko]

It applies because he is impaired and that word equates to being impared. yes it is my problem. Didnt expect this from you guys.

Feel free to use the ignore feature anytime then. ;)

[Knucklehead]

Feel free to use the ignore feature anytime then. ;)

so i guess its just too much to ask......

[NJPOLKER]

Damn....I was almost there...

When I was a kid my dog used to hump all the neighbors legs, never mine. Maybe I'll have to take you up on it sometime. Will you wear a wig?

[lightman1]

Not sure how that applies here when Im clearly taking up for a 9 year old little boy.:rolleyes:
You only know me from my pointless posts here. When I'm not "making the lights come on" or helping others behind the scenes here. I help take care of my X-wifes children in her classroom. Every student from severe-profound up to mild Autism, CP and learning disabilty. I got my thick skin by being with these children. They have, on occasion, told me some of the funniest challenged jokes ever.
Don't try to be a shield from the world to your nephew. Just see what he can bring to your life. He's a person, just like you and me.
Russ

[lightman1]

When I was a kid my dog used to hump all the neighbors legs, never mine. Maybe I'll have to take you up on it sometime. Will you wear a wig?

What color, Sugarpants?

[Knucklehead]

You only know me from my pointless posts here. When I'm not "making the lights come on" or helping others behind the scenes here. I help take care of my X-wifes children in her classroom. Every student from severe-profound up to mild Autism, CP and learning disabilty. I got my thick skin by being with these children. They have, on occasion, told me some of the funniest challenged jokes ever.
Don't try to be a shield from the world to your nephew. Just see what he can bring to your life. He's a person, just like you and me.
Russ

Im Sorry to everyone involved...just got a little emotional there. he is a big part of my life. no hard feelings Keiko.

[NJPOLKER]

You only know me from my pointless posts here. When I'm not "making the lights come on" or helping others behind the scenes here. I help take care of my X-wifes children in her classroom. Every student from severe-profound up to mild Autism, CP and learning disabilty. I got my thick skin by being with these children. They have, on occasion, told me some of the funniest challenged jokes ever.
Don't try to be a shield from the world to your nephew. Just see what he can bring to your life. He's a person, just like you and me.
Russ

Russ,
Thanks for helping everyone alike, even me, and you have to have a sense of humor or you'll go nuts. I know, I lived with a mentally challenged person for a few years. He was one of the funniest guys I've ever met. He has more smarts than some of the new guys around here.

[NJPOLKER]

What color, Sugarpants?

Since my dog was a yellow lab you gotta wear a blonde one, honey bun.

[Keiko]

so i guess its just too much to ask......



The internet doesn't revolve around you, and your definition of etiquette.
....

[NJPOLKER]

Im Sorry to everyone involved...just got a little emotional there. he is a big part of my life. no hard feelings Keiko.

I'll speak for everyone, don't worry about it knucklehead

[lightman1]

Im Sorry to everyone involved...just got a little emotional there. he is a big part of my life. no hard feelings Keiko.

It's cool, Buddy. Look at your world from his point of view. He might be tying to just fit in.My "kids" are a big part of mine and I hope I'm a part of theirs.
Funny how the the name Emotiva relates to this thread.
Keiko is a dick, by the way.
F-tard Russ;)

[Knucklehead]

....

not necessary...im a grown man.

[lightman1]

Is anyone here talking about your nephew? I think we were talking Xcapri and a few other people.

Mainly XCapri of course(who has earned every bit of the title "F-tard").

Grow some skin man. The internet doesn't revolve around you, and your definition of etiquette.

Keiko is a cousin loving F-tard.

See how I just said something offensive to Mike? It doesn't mean anything though, because I was joking. I don't really think he's a cousin loving F-tard.(or is he?)

Take that as an example that words don't necessarily mean anything at all.

We're going to have to get Knucklehead to write up a whole new set of rules and guidelines for Club Polk. Get ready for big changes everyone. Knucklehead is taking control.
Cool it, Curt. Old posting, I know. Dig it?

[NJPOLKER]

lightman
I'm waiting............... maybe we should take this private.
Now that knucklehead is back on track who needs to straightened out next?

[NJPOLKER]

Oh well I am going to bed, good night Russ, I'll probably have a nightmare or two.

[lightman1]

lightman
I'm waiting............... maybe we should take this private.
Now that knucklehead is back on track who needs to straightened out next? All of you here.

[lightman1]

Since my dog was a yellow lab you gotta wear a blonde one, honey bun.

Whoz yer Daddy?

[hearingimpared]

Go drink some coffee Russ!:D

[xcapri79]

Did I say you were the coward who added a stupid tag? Nope but now you got me thinking maybe you did and you know it can't be traced.

I didn't say you, I thought you read the previous posts.
I picked up on your quote. I would guess that whatever is entered on here can be traced.

Please don't be yet another "Sherlock Holmes" on here applying further illogic. It isn't a full moon out there is it?

[lightman1]

I didn't say you, I thought you read the previous posts.
I picked up on your quote. I would guess that whatever is entered on here can be traced.

Please don't be yet another "Sherlock Holmes" on here applying further illogic. It isn't a full moon out there is it?
Capri, back off for a while.

[lightman1]

Go drink some coffee Russ!:D
Love you too, Joe.
I'll be in the PA, NY, NJ ...somewhere up there in a couple of weeks.;)

[Keiko]

Capri, back off for a while.
Sounds reasonable. Like, go drive your Pinto off a cliff.

[lightman1]

Sounds reasonable. Like, go drive your Pinto off a cliff.
Mike. I'll drive to the end of I-40. Swim a bit south-east arrive on the big island and do a Dog the Bounty Hunter on yer ass. The only two Trolls around here that need to be fed are you and I.
Slack-assed Howlie(?)

[Keiko]

Mike. I'll drive to the end of I-40. Swim a bit south-east arrive on the big island and do a Dog the Bounty Hunter on yer ass. The only two Trolls around here that need to be fed are you and I.
Slack-assed Howlie(?)
It's "haoli" ya F-tard.

[superjunior]

I love my emo..:) salute to those who have made today a holiday...
jr

[lightman1]

I love my emo..:) salute to those who have made today a holiday...
jr
Roger that, Jr. Salute! to those past, present and future.

[nooshinjohn]

forgive me for being a thinned skinned hypocrite for talking up for a kid


... No problem there RainMan...

[Knucklehead]

... No problem there RainMan...

very funny

[lightman1]

... No problem there RainMan...
John..My Foot......

[nooshinjohn]

John..My Foot......


I know that already... BTW, I thought fuc*tard was a special kind of yellow mustard:o... I guess I was wrong

[Knucklehead]

I know that already... BTW, I thought fuc*tard was a special kind of yellow mustard:o... I guess I was wrong

now thats funny:D

[superjunior]

going to bed, just got an infraction notice from cp- apparently I offended someone. On the 2 posts I put here, first- watching senior members fighting here is unhelpful to newbies, second- salute to our troops who made this a holiday. Now can someone tell me who I offended and why I'm being infracted on :(

[lightman1]

Seems a lot of infractions were handed out on this one......
It's Keikos fault.....I know it to be true.

[comfortablycurt]

Yep...I got an infraction too.

[lightman1]

Shut Down?

[nooshinjohn]

I guess I will need to try harder to get one. I am feeling left out here.:rolleyes:

[lightman1]

Nighty-night!! Keep ya Polk-holes tight!!!
Fu*kers!!!

[nooshinjohn]

going to bed, just got an infraction notice from cp- apparently I offended someone. On the 2 posts I put here, first- watching senior members fighting here is unhelpful to newbies, second- salute to our troops who made this a holiday. Now can someone tell me who I offended and why I'm being infracted on :(


You must have farted or something Super... I smell it all the way here in Indiana.:p

[superjunior]

I'm pissed, I make 2 VERY freindly and uncondiscating posts, and I'm red flagged. Gonna stick to my guns though, GOD bless all who have made this a holiday. Whoever reported me, for whatever reason, you know who you are, are you that bitter?

[superjunior]

You must have farted or something Super... I smell it all the way here in Indiana.:p

yeah, my farts are pretty bad, ask my wife, she's moving to Ind. as we speek :D kidding

[lightman1]

I'm pissed, I make 2 VERY freindly and uncondiscating posts, and I'm red flagged. Gonna stick to my guns though, GOD bless all who have made this a holiday. Whoever reported me, for whatever reason, you know who you are, are you that bitter?
No need to get pissed Jr. I get flagged quite often. This may be only a slight glitch in the mod messaging set up. Easy there, Bwaana...

[lightman1]

Did Cathy and Jesse ever kiss and make up??

[superjunior]

[QUOTE=lightman1;1078653]No need to get pissed Jr. I get flagged quite often. This may be only a slight glitch in the mod messaging set up. Easy there, Bwaana...Thanks, liight

[lightman1]

[QUOTE=lightman1;1078653]No need to get pissed Jr. I get flagged quite often. This may be only a slight glitch in the mod messaging set up. Easy there, Bwaana...Thanks, liight
You're welcome. It's Russ from here on out.
turds..

[nooshinjohn]

[QUOTE=superjunior;1078655]
You're welcome. It's Russ from here on out.
turds..
can I call you Russ too?....

[Keiko]

Seems a lot of infractions were handed out on this one......


Yep...I got an infraction too.

I'll take the heat on this if necessary. And I stand by my posts with conviction. It's BS though when you consider some of the crap these trolls have left floating around here lately. :mad: Have infractions been handed out to them also?


going to bed, just got an infraction notice from cp- apparently I offended someone. On the 2 posts I put here, first- watching senior members fighting here is unhelpful to newbies, second- salute to our troops who made this a holiday. Now can someone tell me who I offended and why I'm being infracted on :(

U.S. Army veteran here. I salute my Brothers in Arms on this holiday, and everyday for that matter whom have defended our freedom. Land of the free. Home of the brave. God Bless America. Hooyah!

Any you chickensh*ts want to report that, by all means, feel free to do so.

[F1nut]

And I stand by my posts with conviction. It's BS though when you consider some of the crap these trolls have left floating around here lately. Have infractions been handed out to them also?


As I do and no, they have not.

[Keiko]

As I do and no, they have not.
Never a question about your integrity Jesse. ;)

[jinjuku]

WTH!!! :confused:

I think he is using the same context for polk speakers (even though nice and a good value) that is used for Emotiva. That is simply using price basis for discrediting said product.

Hense Emo isn't this or that because Emo's 3 channel amp is $599 when a Rotel/ATI/B&K would be $1500 or $3000.

Like saying a LSi9 isn't a serious speaker because we all know that serious speakers cost $7500-$10,000.

Why you couldn't see the point being made says a lot.

[Keiko]

Why you couldn't see the point being made says a lot.
And your point is?

[jinjuku]

Well let's see Mike, so far I've been called the following; snob, arrogant, condescending & generally unhelpful, obnoxious, dumb & unimportant, bully and delusional.


There are a few apt descriptions that you missed. One need look no farther than your post #20 to see the derailing of this thread.

[jinjuku]

And your point is?

You make my point and I rest my case. Some of you don't 'get it'.

[Keiko]

Point is you're just another troll. Got that?

[jinjuku]

Point is you're just another troll. Got that?

Takes one to know one. I won't ask if you got that because I know you don't get much.

[comfortablycurt]

Interesting...

I don't think Keiko is exactly what most people here would consider a troll.

He's actually a valued forum member. He's given people lots of valuable advice, myself included. I've also seen him put up numerous Karma's since I've been here. I fail to see how Keiko is a troll.

[Keiko]

Takes one to know one. I won't ask if you got that because I know you don't get much.
~yawn~

[Matt34]

I fail to see how Keiko is a troll.

I can point out a few posts in this thread alone.

[Keiko]

I can point out a few posts in this thread alone.
You've already made it a point that you're ignorant. But do what ya gotta do.

[speakergeek]

Boy, hopefully this thread will be shut down REAL soon...:rolleyes: Totally useless.

[jinjuku]

You've already made it a point that you're ignorant. But do what ya gotta do.

From what I have seen your one of the more abusive people on this board. The fact is that one of the usual suspects started the derailment of this thread on page one. How have you contributed materially to the original topic in this thread?

I find it funny that Matt makes a perfectly salient point and that the some of the seasoned veterans didn't get it. It's sad that the seasoned veterans here decided to take another OP about an Emotiva product and derail it. It's a recurring theme around here with certain Polksters and Emotiva. They have an axe to grind but no actual honest to god proof that they can grind it with.

[Keiko]

How have you contributed materially to the original topic in this thread?

Well let see, I did suggest to the OP to have a look at this as an option.

http://www.ayonaudiousa.com/english/triton/f-triton.htm

I would contribute more by correcting your vocabulary, but that would be useless. :rolleyes:

I've never seen nothing from you anywhere that contributed anything to this forum. So, are you finished trolling now?

[Toolfan66]

I think he is using the same context for polk speakers (even though nice and a good value) that is used for Emotiva. That is simply using price basis for discrediting said product.

Hense Emo isn't this or that because Emo's 3 channel amp is $599 when a Rotel/ATI/B&K would be $1500 or $3000.

Like saying a LSi9 isn't a serious speaker because we all know that serious speakers cost $7500-$10,000.

Why you couldn't see the point being made says a lot.


And it says a lot about what?? I own 18 polk audio speakers and a emotiva XPA-3. and your post says what? NOTHING AT ALL.

MOVE ON

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x226/dreadhed420/dumbass70sShow.jpg

[jinjuku]

Well let see, I did suggest to the OP to have a look at this as an option.

http://www.ayonaudiousa.com/english/triton/f-triton.htm

I would contribute more by correcting your vocabulary, but that would be useless. :rolleyes:

I've never seen nothing from you anywhere that contributed anything to this forum. So, are you finished trolling now?

LOL, I believe you truly have no bounds. The post/link that you are referring to is exactly your trolling I am talking about.

You have a participant looking at a sub $800 amp. You post a link to an amp that is probably north of $10K as your contribution to the thread?

Before you attempt to work on any one's vocabulary you might want to get your foot out of your mouth.

[jinjuku]

And it says a lot about what?? I own 18 polk audio speakers and a emotiva XPA-3. and your post says what? NOTHING AT ALL.

MOVE ON



Check out the posts #20 (http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1077403&postcount=20) and #28 (http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1077825&postcount=28) that my comment was based on.

Again certain people decided to derail a thread.

[comfortablycurt]

How about you get it back on topic then jinjuku?

By complaining about it, all you're doing is continuing the derailment of the thread.

[apphd]

.................
I have seen this (Ricardo's Emotiva story)

http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78497&highlight=emotiva+sucks

but stopped reading after I saw that it had 1,200 replies.

and now you know what 1,995 of those replies were like so you didn't miss much. Unfortunately probably only learned very little as well. Such a shame for a good forum like this.:confused:

[cnh]

Curt's right. Cool it BOYS!

And as an addition here. Why is it that everything Emotiva makes is powered by a toroid of some kind? I've heard that it's DAMN hard to wind a good toroid...and therefore NOT ALL toroids are 'alike'; simply having a toroid doesn't necessarily mean anything. It's the quality of the unit that's important. But toroids denote power and better gear symbolically. So their use is strategic by some manufacturers.

Now the question for the experts here, is what's an Emo toroid worth? And why?
Ok, take it guys?

cnh

[Toolfan66]

Check out the posts #20 (http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1077403&postcount=20) and #28 (http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1077825&postcount=28) that my comment was based on.

Again certain people decided to derail a thread.

And those two post's have to do with me how??:rolleyes:

[jinjuku]

How about you get it back on topic then jinjuku?

By complaining about it, all you're doing is continuing the derailment of the thread.

This thread went off the rails at the end of page one. What is there to put back on?

Doing a quick thread search has you with 11 posts starting at post 32. None of them here helping the OP or keeping the thread on topic.

Pot meet kettle.

[jinjuku]

And those two post's have to do with me how??:rolleyes:

I don't know that they would have anything to do with you. You didn't seem to understand the clear point that Matt34 was making. It seems you still don't get it. At least I tried:rolleyes:

[comfortablycurt]

I don't know that they would have anything to do with you. You didn't seem to understand the clear point that Matt34 was making. It seems you still don't get it. A least I tried:rolleyes:

I think everyone gets it. The problem is that no one cares. Deal with it.

[VR3]

The difference between Polk and Emotiva is simple.

Polk does not describe their product for being more than what it really is.

I will never buy Emotiva simply on this fact. Outlaw is a far better representation of how a company in their market segment should carry theirself.

They are great products at great prices. But hardly "reference gear"

No snob here, I just like good gear - and none of my gear is considered reference...

[hearingimpared]

Check out the posts #20 (http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1077403&postcount=20) and #28 (http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1077825&postcount=28) that my comment was based on.

Again certain people decided to derail a thread.

Your existance on page 7 & 8 has been nothing but a huge derail and as usual an exercise in trolling as well as putting down stand up members. This thread had basically started to die until you resurrected it to cause trouble again.

[nooshinjohn]

This thread went off the rails at the end of page one. What is there to put back on?

Doing a quick thread search has you with 11 posts starting at post 32. None of them here helping the OP or keeping the thread on topic.

Pot meet kettle.

.... from where I sit, Keiko has done more to assist the OP in this thread than you have done to help ANYONE ever on the entire forum! Keiko is a stand-up guy and has my respect and that of nearly the entire Polk community. What do you have? And trust me when I say whatever you thought you had before has faded to nothing. Go play with that imagination of yours somewhere else as it won't work here.

[Monster Jam]

Hey guys; I've been talking about it for ages, but I think it's finally time to upgrade to an external amp just to see what all the rage is about.

As you might be able to tell, I've been contemplating getting an Emotiva for some time, but I'm not convinced dropping money on an external amplifier is a good idea, unless I'm sure the outcome is worth the money.



For what its worth, I am in a similar situation, JL88. I currently run 4 LSi15s and an LSiC off of a H/K AVR 525. Never clipped - sounds good. Some contributors on these message boards will swear to high heaven that the LSi speakers open up with (bell please) a mimimum of 200 wpc. Others on these boards might say "If it sounds good, then why add the additional amplification?"

Well, you don't know till you try. And thats where the Emotiva comes in. It supplies the power, even if it isn't as "refined" as a mainstream name-brand. And with a low price point, the risk is minimized in the event that you haven't gained any improvement (even less if you consider that you can return it - as much of a hassle that is).

Is an amp snake oil?
Is an amp a marginal improvement over existing amplification?
Is an amp significant improvement over existing amplification?
Or is an amp audio bliss?

In short, I don't think there is a reason to talk you out of an Emotive. In fact, I'd like you to take the plunge then report back how it faired. Your report would definately go a long way to my decision making.

[speakergeek]

The XPA-5 is one heck of an amp. Outlaw and other companies should be scared. Very scared...:D It doesn't weigh 75 lbs for nothing. You'll probably never see it reviewed in stereosnob, because it's below 3 grand....But it can compete with those. I think that's why people talk bad about Emotiva, because they can compete for such a low price.

[dpowell]

Wow! Can't believe this thread is still going.

[Keiko]

You can stop trolling and remove yourhttp://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/4a2b33b6ae.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)anytime now juju. :rolleyes:

[jinjuku]

Just a little more...
http://theblacksentinel.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/foot-in-mouth-1199.jpeg

Keep pushing keihoe, you'll get the foot out eventually.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3387/3568106319_10bdd0a883_o.png

[bigred7078]

Some of us aspire to greater heights. Obviously, you're not one of them and that's fine, but how dare you pass judgement on those that do and/or have. As such, your comments in this thread make you seem rather foolish. I would suggest you not comment any further and remove all doubt.

haha you're seriously one of the biggest pricks i have ever seen on a forum. You try and make everyone else sound stupid, but you just make an ass out of yourself.

Go ahead make snide comment, i'll be waiting ;)

[GV#27]

I've heard that it's DAMN hard to wind a good toroid...and therefore NOT ALL toroids are 'alike'; simply having a toroid doesn't necessarily mean anything.

cnhCorrect not all toroids are created equal but they do have some common traits that make them the preffered choice over standard EI core types.In general they are smaller for the same VA rating,have higher efficiency and have lower mechanical hum and stray magnetic fields.Transformer design can be quite an art, and companies like Plitron (a supplier to many a Hi end audio company) put a lot of research and development into designing their leading edge hi tech toroids.

[bigred7078]

Bluefox is responsible for this one. Another coward.

i'm not ;)

i speak my mind without fear of being talked down to by you and your groupies.

[Keiko]

Just a little more...
http://theblacksentinel.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/foot-in-mouth-1199.jpeg

Keep pushing keihoe, you'll get the foot out eventually.
Now we can all see why you have issues with your vocabulary juju. :D

Who dropped this F-tard bomb, really? :confused:

[Keiko]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3387/3568106319_10bdd0a883_o.png

Impressive! You can edit. And I'll take this as a compliment. Thanks juju. :)

[hearingimpared]

Mike stop arguing with trolls it doesn't work and brings you down to their level. I've been reporting these two new ones so hopefully this nonsense will stop.

[bigred7078]

Mike stop arguing with trolls it doesn't work and brings you down to their level. I've been reporting these two new ones so hopefully this nonsense will stop.

look in the mirror ;)

[Knucklehead]

Mike stop arguing with trolls it doesn't work and brings you down to their level.

WOW, your smarter than I thought!

[lightman1]

WOW, your smarter than I thought!
Easy, Knuckles...He's one of the good ones.

[Knucklehead]

Easy, Knuckles...He's one of the good ones.

Im just playin around. He got a jab in at me last night, Ive never so much as said hi to the guy.:)

dont take it the wrong way my friend im just being a knucklehead!

[Keiko]

Mike stop arguing with trolls it doesn't work and brings you down to their level. I've been reporting these two new ones so hopefully this nonsense will stop.
Roger that bro. It was put on ignore after that last futile attempt at levity anyway.

[lightman1]

Im just playin around. He got a jab in at me last night, Ive never so much as said hi to the guy.:)

dont take it the wrong way my friend im just being a knucklehead!

....:cool:

[lightman1]

Roger that bro. It was put on ignore after that last futile attempt at levity anyway.
Howza bout some more of those photos of yourself to close out the evening, Mike??? What say you?

[Keiko]

Howza bout some more of those photos of yourself to close out the evening, Mike??? What say you?
Anything for you bud. ;)

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/9481a6dfea.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)

[lightman1]

Where the hell did find that pic of me??!!!

[nooshinjohn]

Anything for you bud. ;)

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/9481a6dfea.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)


so thats you without makeup and your beauty sleep... that's ok I still think you are hot when you do the splits:eek: