Emotiva CD player a big hit so far

[bigred7078]

Look Slick, here's a clue! I have zero opinion about Emotiva but you and your friends are harshing my mellow and ruining what used to be a very cool audio forum by acting like a bunch of crybaby piss bags. I have been sitting back ignoring these types of threads for the most part until I have seen just way too much of this bullshit. If you and your cohorts can't bring meaningful discussion to the table without upsetting the apple cart, please do yourselves and everyone else here a favor and take a hike....WCW III

hmm funny, cause i previously was sitting back and watching people piss all over emotiva. Just shut up and exit this thread already

[comfortablycurt]

Sorry Curt. There is a better, more convenient way to play digital music from a CD, or downloaded from a lossless site, than with a CD player. While a CD player still works, it is headed for the audio junkheap. Technology marches on, even if some people do not realize it, or are just slow. :cool:

I can see the point here, it definitely does have a lot of convenience factor. I'd hardly go as far as saying that CDP's are obsolete though. They're very far from.

I'm sure there are still many many more people using CDP's than there are digital servers and DAC's.

I find it impossible to believe that CDP's are going to be headed for the junk heap anytime soon. I won't be setting up a digital server and DAC anytime soon myself. I am, however, going to be buying a new CDP in the near future.

As Keiko said...


Convenient? Yes. Better? Subjective.

I still, and always will, prefer having CD's to having all of my music on a file. I like to pick up my CD cases, and look at the artwork, look through the booklets, and actually have a collection.

When all of your music is on a server, it takes away from that. Sure, you can have all of the artwork and everything on file, but it's not quite the same. It isn't a collection in the same sense.

[bigred7078]

It's a little annoying to say the least that the Reference Player manual has simple Typography error in it. Could someone at EMOTIVA marketing pay attention to simple numbers other than where to put the word REFERENCE in their marketing strategy? :) It would save us a lot of hassles and all the banter it received........

From what I gather in other forums, I think EMOTIVA started out with words for their Reference player at around 30lbs weight initially. The final design reflects the weight is about half of that. I think it's probably said to be true for other aspects of the designs unfortunately.

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2112784&postcount=4

In the broad scheme of things does it really matter that they use the word "reference"? I don't see the point why some keep fixating on this word.

I definately agree though that the proof reading of manuals needs more care taking.

I was also a bit confused at the final weight of the product. Lonnie mentioned it would be around a hefty 30 lbs but it ended up at 17.5 lbs. Its still a hefty unit, but strange that it deviated some much from the original quote.

All in all, i think this will be an excellent unit. Is there better products out there? Of course, but i definately think for $399 its a great competitor within its price range.

[bigred7078]

I
When all of your music is on a server, it takes away from that. Sure, you can have all of the artwork and everything on file, but it's not quite the same. It isn't a collection in the same sense.

I agree with you on the collection part. I also like having a collection of music and movies to look at and sort through.

I did go mostly digital awhile back and love it. I still have my CD collection in its same place to look at, but i also have the convenience of having everything at the touch of a button.

I prefer to have intimate 2-channel listening with CD's and prefer to use digital music for parties and casual listening. Best of both worlds :D

[GV#27]

All in all, i think this will be an excellent unit. Is there better products out there? Of course, but i definately think for $399 its a great competitor within its price range.Certainly one can't judge SQ by the spec sheet/feature list( or a picture of the inards)but the ingredients are there for it to be a good CDP.The chosen DAC chip is top notch,the power supply seems to have been well thought out.Aswell the all important analog stage output op amps are a true discrete transistor design not IC's as found in the vast majority of CDP's at this and higher price levels.Just for curiosities sake,I would like to hear one for myself.

[Poee7R]

So Bigred, have you yourself, listened to this unit?


Dave

[Kex]

I'm still having some trouble understanding why these Emotiva threads seem destined to descend into hopeless chaos and anarchy, including senseless "attack tags".

It seems that Emotiva supporters think that those with more expensive gear inevitably want to bash Emotiva to justify their extravagant expenditures. It also seems to me that Emotiva supporters just cannot fathom the possibility that any criticism of Emotiva might be true. So, you end up with this:

- Emotiva supporters believe all those that buy more expensive gear are blind/lying and/or just stupid.
- Non-Emotiva supporters believe that Emotiva owners are blind/uneducated and/or just stupid.

A lot of topics get discussed here, and the discussion generally goes in all directions. There is usually a consensus of some description at some point, on almost every topic, with varying degrees of support, depending on priorities and personal preferences. Emotiva seems to totally escape this rule.

I have opinions on Emotiva, but I just give up on sharing them publicly any more. For this reason alone, I see no point in donating $25 to the Emotiva CDP experiment, since any negative results will be seized upon as biased, elitist and false, based on a preconceived negative opinion, or worse (intentional dishonesty). The funny thing is that my current receiver actually cost less than my Emotiva gear, so I am no elitist, even if I may have fairly demanding preferences in some areas.

Statements such as this are meaningless IMO:

So far it looks like it's beat out some Oppo's, a Revox, a 15 yr old Sony ES, an Onkyo carousel, and some other assorted Denon and Pioneer DVD players :D ...How did it "beat them out", exactly?

As for this "review":

Here is the user comment from the Emo Lounge regarding the Raysonic CDP:...
Take from that what you will...Although I am sure the reviewer believes that he has done his best to provide a useful opinion, it seems to be some sort of "right of passage" with Emotiva to find some piece of expensive gear that could not defeat the equivalent Emotiva unit, so why is it that some Emotiva owners expect new owners to find their Emotiva gear better than other equipment that cost four times as much, but that I am not entitled to find that my receivers have been able to equal, and even surpass the Emotiva gear I tried, that also cost more than what I currently use? Why is the comparison of more expensive and cheaper gear only valid when it favors Emotiva?

There are several CP members whose opinions I very much respect that own and like Emotiva gear. There are several others that have expressed an interest in owning this CDP, the upcoming pre/pro, or some of their amplifiers. There are even others that recommend Emotiva units without ever having heard one, so why is it that 90% of Emotiva supporters seem to:

(A) Want to brand Club Polk as a band of Emotiva haters and elitists;
(B) Keep coming back to attack any criticism of Emotiva, making valid, in depth discussion of pros and cons, likes and dislikes, an impossibility?

All this does is make a majority of Emotiva owners seem like a band of Honda Accord V6 drivers arguing that their car is a better performance vehicle, in almost every way, than an equivalent BMW or Mercedes ... with just about as much credibility.

This does nothing to further the goals of Emotiva or Club Polk IMO ... nor any of us enthusiasts of the audio hobby.

[Kex]

... I still, and always will, prefer having CD's to having all of my music on a file. I like to pick up my CD cases, and look at the artwork, look through the booklets, and actually have a collection. ...Aren't you getting confused with your collection of "artifacts" from Victoria's Secrets?!

[nikolas812]

NICE!



Best post I've seen in a long time..





Nick








I'm still having some trouble understanding why these Emotiva threads seem destined to descend into hopeless chaos and anarchy, including senseless "attack tags".

It seems that Emotiva supporters think that those with more expensive gear inevitably want to bash Emotiva to justify their extravagant expenditures. It also seems to me that Emotiva supporters just cannot fathom the possibility that any criticism of Emotiva might be true. So, you end up with this:

- Emotiva supporters believe all those that buy more expensive gear are blind/lying and/or just stupid.
- Non-Emotiva supporters believe that Emotiva owners are blind/uneducated and/or just stupid.

A lot of topics get discussed here, and the discussion generally goes in all directions. There is usually a consensus of some description at some point, on almost every topic, with varying degrees of support, depending on priorities and personal preferences. Emotiva seems to totally escape this rule.

I have opinions on Emotiva, but I just give up on sharing them publicly any more. For this reason alone, I see no point in donating $25 to the Emotiva CDP experiment, since any negative results will be seized upon as biased, elitist and false, based on a preconceived negative opinion, or worse (intentional dishonesty). The funny thing is that my current receiver actually cost less than my Emotiva gear, so I am no elitist, even if I may have fairly demanding preferences in some areas.

Statements such as this are meaningless IMO:
How did it "beat them out", exactly?

As for this "review":
Although I am sure the reviewer believes that he has done his best to provide a useful opinion, it seems to be some sort of "right of passage" with Emotiva to find some piece of expensive gear that could not defeat the equivalent Emotiva unit, so why is it that some Emotiva owners expect new owners to find their Emotiva gear better than other equipment that cost four times as much, but that I am not entitled to find that my receivers have been able to equal, and even surpass the Emotiva gear I tried, that also cost more than what I currently use? Why is the comparison of more expensive and cheaper gear only valid when it favors Emotiva?

There are several CP members whose opinions I very much respect that own and like Emotiva gear. There are several others that have expressed an interest in owning this CDP, the upcoming pre/pro, or some of their amplifiers. There are even others that recommend Emotiva units without ever having heard one, so why is it that 90% of Emotiva supporters seem to:

(A) Want to brand Club Polk as a band of Emotiva haters and elitists;
(B) Keep coming back to attack any criticism of Emotiva, making valid, in depth discussion of pros and cons, likes and dislikes, an impossibility?

All this does is make a majority of Emotiva owners seem like a band of Honda Accord V6 drivers arguing that their car is a better performance vehicle, in almost every way, than an equivalent BMW or Mercedes ... with just about as much credibility.

This does nothing to further the goals of Emotiva or Club Polk IMO ... nor any of us enthusiasts of the audio hobby.

[bigred7078]

I'm still having some trouble understanding why these Emotiva threads seem destined to descend into hopeless chaos and anarchy, including senseless "attack tags".

It seems that Emotiva supporters think that those with more expensive gear inevitably want to bash Emotiva to justify their extravagant expenditures. It also seems to me that Emotiva supporters just cannot fathom the possibility that any criticism of Emotiva might be true. So, you end up with this:

- Emotiva supporters believe all those that buy more expensive gear are blind/lying and/or just stupid.
- Non-Emotiva supporters believe that Emotiva owners are blind/uneducated and/or just stupid.

A lot of topics get discussed here, and the discussion generally goes in all directions. There is usually a consensus of some description at some point, on almost every topic, with varying degrees of support, depending on priorities and personal preferences. Emotiva seems to totally escape this rule.

I have opinions on Emotiva, but I just give up on sharing them publicly any more. For this reason alone, I see no point in donating $25 to the Emotiva CDP experiment, since any negative results will be seized upon as biased, elitist and false, based on a preconceived negative opinion, or worse (intentional dishonesty). The funny thing is that my current receiver actually cost less than my Emotiva gear, so I am no elitist, even if I may have fairly demanding preferences in some areas.

Statements such as this are meaningless IMO:
How did it "beat them out", exactly?

As for this "review":
Although I am sure the reviewer believes that he has done his best to provide a useful opinion, it seems to be some sort of "right of passage" with Emotiva to find some piece of expensive gear that could not defeat the equivalent Emotiva unit, so why is it that some Emotiva owners expect new owners to find their Emotiva gear better than other equipment that cost four times as much, but that I am not entitled to find that my receivers have been able to equal, and even surpass the Emotiva gear I tried, that also cost more than what I currently use? Why is the comparison of more expensive and cheaper gear only valid when it favors Emotiva?

There are several CP members whose opinions I very much respect that own and like Emotiva gear. There are several others that have expressed an interest in owning this CDP, the upcoming pre/pro, or some of their amplifiers. There are even others that recommend Emotiva units without ever having heard one, so why is it that 90% of Emotiva supporters seem to:

(A) Want to brand Club Polk as a band of Emotiva haters and elitists;
(B) Keep coming back to attack any criticism of Emotiva, making valid, in depth discussion of pros and cons, likes and dislikes, an impossibility?

All this does is make a majority of Emotiva owners seem like a band of Honda Accord V6 drivers arguing that their car is a better performance vehicle, in almost every way, than an equivalent BMW or Mercedes ... with just about as much credibility.

This does nothing to further the goals of Emotiva or Club Polk IMO ... nor any of us enthusiasts of the audio hobby.

Great post Kex,

As an owner of many emotiva products presently and in the past, i do not find it impossible for someone to not like emotiva. One of my good friends had emotiva equipment and he moved to some parasound gear, and i said good for him. It has nothing to do with people finding emotiva good or bad for their setup. It has to do with the usual people that seem to go out of their way to stick it to emotiva for no reason other than they could not stand the fact that there used to be so many threads about them. For me personally i find that just incredibly stupid and i WILL argue against that. I do that for any piece of gear that that people seem to senselessly bash. Yes senselessly bash, meaning they appear to have no REAL reason to rag on the product other than they personally don't like it. I recently argued in favor of JL audio sub that people were because they feel that any DIY subwoofer would destroy it... Its not my personal goal to make people feel emotiva is the best around. I don't even think that. I just find senseless jabs to be well...senseless. As long as good conversation continues about the products whether they be praise or criticism i do not care, as long as its fair.

[Kex]

... Best post I've seen in a long time. ...

Great post Kex, ...Thank you, and thank you!

Now, I know that many of those "waging war" in this thread don't give a deep fried cocktail turd what I think, but it would be an appropriate gesture IMO if some of you would be mature enough to remove some of those useless "attack tags" you may have previously added (especially those making a specific reference to a contributor, even if you are convinced he's a troll).

[devani]

now, that's asking for too much if you ask me....

honestly read the tags and think how old they are....my son is 2 months old and I think my son is more mature than them....

[Toolfan66]

Great post Kex,

As an owner of many emotiva products presently and in the past, i do not find it impossible for someone to not like emotiva. One of my good friends had emotiva equipment and he moved to some parasound gear, and i said good for him. It has nothing to do with people finding emotiva good or bad for their setup. It has to do with the usual people that seem to go out of their way to stick it to emotiva for no reason other than they could not stand the fact that there used to be so many threads about them. For me personally i find that just incredibly stupid and i WILL argue against that. I do that for any piece of gear that that people seem to senselessly bash. Yes senselessly bash, meaning they appear to have no REAL reason to rag on the product other than they personally don't like it. I recently argued in favor of JL audio sub that people were because they feel that any DIY subwoofer would destroy it... Its not my personal goal to make people feel emotiva is the best around. I don't even think that. I just find senseless jabs to be well...senseless. As long as good conversation continues about the products whether they be praise or criticism i do not care, as long as its fair.


What ohter gear have you stood up for that someone has bashed?

Just Curious,

[comfortablycurt]

Aren't you getting confused with your collection of "artifacts" from Victoria's Secrets?!

Damn...you got me. I've got pics. PM me if you're interested.;):p


It has nothing to do with people finding emotiva good or bad for their setup. It has to do with the usual people that seem to go out of their way to stick it to emotiva for no reason other than they could not stand the fact that there used to be so many threads about them. For me personally i find that just incredibly stupid and i WILL argue against that. I do that for any piece of gear that that people seem to senselessly bash.

What you've got to bear in mind, is that all of these people that are "senselessly bashing", started by simply stating their opinion of the product.

It wasn't until the trolls started stepping in and calling everybody arrogant elitist morons that they started defending themselves.

When some of the people come in with the "I'm absolutely right no matter what" attitude...yeah, people are going to get sick of it.

For the people that have such a problem with these Emotiva arguments, then quit participating in them. Arguments are two sided, ya know? They wouldn't turn into arguments if all of the Emo fanboys didn't have to jump in and make it sound like Emotiva is the second coming of Christ. Just state that you respectfully disagree with the opinions of the "arrogant eltist snobs:rolleyes:", state your own opinion of the product or topic at hand, and move along. It's pretty simple. When you have to turn it into an argument, and start posting tags about respected forum members(senseless bashing?:confused:) being trolls, you're not helping to stop the argument. You're actually encouraging it and making it grow.

People have different opinions of different gear. If you like a particular piece, great, suggest it to people and tell them of your experience with it. If someone else happens to disagree, let them disagree, and hear their reasons why.

[hearingimpared]

As long as good conversation continues about the products whether they be praise or criticism i do not care, as long as its fair.

Who's to say what is fair. It seems like you want to be judge and jury over what someone's opinions are whether they have experience with a piece of gear or not.

I think Adcom equipment is a great bang for buck item. But I also think there is much better out there and I've found it to be true. That is my opinion.

I don't have any experience with Emo but if I say it is not reference or as good as another piece of gear that I feel would smoke it, it seems you would take offence to that opinion and call me a basher and elitest. This is what I've observed so far in your posts.

[Keiko]

Thank you, and thank you!

Now, I know that many of those "waging war" in this thread don't give a deep fried cocktail turd what I think, but it would be an appropriate gesture IMO if some of you would be mature enough to remove some of those useless "attack tags" you may have previously added (especially those making a specific reference to a contributor, even if you are convinced he's a troll).

If your referring to those about me Kex, They don't phase me one bit. In fact, I find them humorous. They reflect a less than a high school mentality. Let the real trolls have their fun. ;)

I'm out. :)

[bigred7078]

What ohter gear have you stood up for that someone has bashed?

Just Curious,

well if you read the post i gave a specific example of the most recent one;)

Lets see: AV123, Odyssey, Adcom, Anthem, REL, Polk, Paradigm, and blah blah blah

[megasat16]

In the broad scheme of things does it really matter that they use the word "reference"? I don't see the point why some keep fixating on this word.

I definately agree though that the proof reading of manuals needs more care taking.

I was also a bit confused at the final weight of the product. Lonnie mentioned it would be around a hefty 30 lbs but it ended up at 17.5 lbs. Its still a hefty unit, but strange that it deviated some much from the original quote.

All in all, i think this will be an excellent unit. Is there better products out there? Of course, but i definately think for $399 its a great competitor within its price range.

Perhaps, you should ask the same question to EMOTIVA why they are so fond of using that word. I guess it's more appropriate since they use it in most of their products.

Yep! A few people needs to proof read the manual before printing.



I'm still having some trouble understanding why these Emotiva threads seem destined to descend into hopeless chaos and anarchy, including senseless "attack tags".

It seems that Emotiva supporters think that those with more expensive gear inevitably want to bash Emotiva to justify their extravagant expenditures. It also seems to me that Emotiva supporters just cannot fathom the possibility that any criticism of Emotiva might be true. So, you end up with this:

- Emotiva supporters believe all those that buy more expensive gear are blind/lying and/or just stupid.
- Non-Emotiva supporters believe that Emotiva owners are blind/uneducated and/or just stupid.

A lot of topics get discussed here, and the discussion generally goes in all directions. There is usually a consensus of some description at some point, on almost every topic, with varying degrees of support, depending on priorities and personal preferences. Emotiva seems to totally escape this rule.

I have opinions on Emotiva, but I just give up on sharing them publicly any more. For this reason alone, I see no point in donating $25 to the Emotiva CDP experiment, since any negative results will be seized upon as biased, elitist and false, based on a preconceived negative opinion, or worse (intentional dishonesty). The funny thing is that my current receiver actually cost less than my Emotiva gear, so I am no elitist, even if I may have fairly demanding preferences in some areas.

Statements such as this are meaningless IMO:
How did it "beat them out", exactly?

As for this "review":
Although I am sure the reviewer believes that he has done his best to provide a useful opinion, it seems to be some sort of "right of passage" with Emotiva to find some piece of expensive gear that could not defeat the equivalent Emotiva unit, so why is it that some Emotiva owners expect new owners to find their Emotiva gear better than other equipment that cost four times as much, but that I am not entitled to find that my receivers have been able to equal, and even surpass the Emotiva gear I tried, that also cost more than what I currently use? Why is the comparison of more expensive and cheaper gear only valid when it favors Emotiva?

There are several CP members whose opinions I very much respect that own and like Emotiva gear. There are several others that have expressed an interest in owning this CDP, the upcoming pre/pro, or some of their amplifiers. There are even others that recommend Emotiva units without ever having heard one, so why is it that 90% of Emotiva supporters seem to:

(A) Want to brand Club Polk as a band of Emotiva haters and elitists;
(B) Keep coming back to attack any criticism of Emotiva, making valid, in depth discussion of pros and cons, likes and dislikes, an impossibility?

All this does is make a majority of Emotiva owners seem like a band of Honda Accord V6 drivers arguing that their car is a better performance vehicle, in almost every way, than an equivalent BMW or Mercedes ... with just about as much credibility.

This does nothing to further the goals of Emotiva or Club Polk IMO ... nor any of us enthusiasts of the audio hobby.

Nice Post, Kex! I hope the EMOTIVA owner and Fan Boys realize that we are not attacking their love for EMOTIVA. Therefore, they don't need to go out on full assault mode either.


Thank you, and thank you!

Now, I know that many of those "waging war" in this thread don't give a deep fried cocktail turd what I think, but it would be an appropriate gesture IMO if some of you would be mature enough to remove some of those useless "attack tags" you may have previously added (especially those making a specific reference to a contributor, even if you are convinced he's a troll).

Some tags really bugs me. I hope the childish tag are never allowed to use in the CP and I hope some kind of screening mechanism can use for bad tag words.

[bigred7078]

Damn...you got me. I've got pics. PM me if you're interested.;):p



What you've got to bear in mind, is that all of these people that are "senselessly bashing", started by simply stating their opinion of the product.

It wasn't until the trolls started stepping in and calling everybody arrogant elitist morons that they started defending themselves.

When some of the people come in with the "I'm absolutely right no matter what" attitude...yeah, people are going to get sick of it.

For the people that have such a problem with these Emotiva arguments, then quit participating in them. Arguments are two sided, ya know? They wouldn't turn into arguments if all of the Emo fanboys didn't have to jump in and make it sound like Emotiva is the second coming of Christ. Just state that you respectfully disagree with the opinions of the "arrogant eltist snobs:rolleyes:", state your own opinion of the product or topic at hand, and move along. It's pretty simple. When you have to turn it into an argument, and start posting tags about respected forum members(senseless bashing?:confused:) being trolls, you're not helping to stop the argument. You're actually encouraging it and making it grow.

People have different opinions of different gear. If you like a particular piece, great, suggest it to people and tell them of your experience with it. If someone else happens to disagree, let them disagree, and hear their reasons why.



I have respectfully disagreed and was called a fanboy for it.

And NO people such as my self have not just come charging in guns blazing for no reason into some threads, i would not do it if it was not warranted. And dont you think there is a reason behind why people say elitist? Its not just a random term thrown out there...

BUT HERE YA GO.... i disagree.

[bigred7078]

Who's to say what is fair. It seems like you want to be judge and jury over what someone's opinions are whether they have experience with a piece of gear or not.

I think Adcom equipment is a great bang for buck item. But I also think there is much better out there and I've found it to be true. That is my opinion.

I don't have any experience with Emo but if I say it is not reference or as good as another piece of gear that I feel would smoke it, it seems you would take offence to that opinion and call me a basher and elitest. This is what I've observed so far in your posts.

well im sorry you have not been attentive to my posts. Your looking beyond what i have said and creating what you want of it

[Conradicles]

While a CD player still works, it is headed for the audio junkheap. Technology marches on, even if some people do not realize it, or are just slow. :cool:

That was a dumb post.

[Ethancf]

The word Emotiva makes the hair on my neck stand up now.

[heiney9]

Your looking beyond what i have said and creating what you want of it

You're doing the EXACT same thing....................such are situations where all you read are words on a screen. It happens in e-mail, written reports, etc. It's all open to interpretation. You're interpretation of what's written in this thread is no more correct/incorrect than the next person's.

Except you seem to think your view and explanation and stance on whatever issue you perceive is the only correct one.

H9

[bigred7078]

You're doing the EXACT same thing....................such are situations where all you read are words on a screen. It happens in e-mail, written reports, etc. It's all open to interpretation. You're interpretation of what's written in this thread is no more correct/incorrect than the next person's.

Except you seem to think your view and explanation and stance on whatever issue you perceive is the only correct one.

H9

actually im not since even you have confessed to bashing on emotiva before. And again i dont care about peoples opinions, im talking about the stupid senseless posts like Ethancf above you posted. You and others do that same stuff to a much greater extent all the time.

But really this is all a moot point now, we obviously all agree to disagree lol. I'll tell ya what, i'll be respectful to you guys now, if everyone else stays respectful? Sound like a plan?

[treitz3]

You and others do that same stuff to a much greater extent all the time.This wouldn't happen if statements like this do not exist. Food for thought........Do not lump. This is where things occur and end up in a 54 page useless thread.

[Keiko]

Forget these fanboys guys. Leave em' to their Emo's and juju beans.

It's time for somehttp://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/ccf8f1dc67.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)PIE!



Bon appetit! ;)

[bigred7078]

This wouldn't happen if statements like this do not exist. Food for thought........Do not lump. This is where things occur and end up in a 54 page useless thread.

so i call a truce and you want to continue to point the finger?

[treitz3]

You missed the point.

[Keiko]

You missed the point.

He does that a lot.

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/177b03dfcd.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)

More pie? :rolleyes:

[Sherardp]

Keiko, you need to come visit me in Japan, I see this on a daily bro. Been out to Hawaii many times, so I know what you working with over there too.

[Keiko]

Keiko, you need to come visit me in Japan, I see this on a daily bro. Been out to Hawaii many times, so I know what you working with over there too.

I think all the sunshine and good food here makes em' more potent bro. :D
I believe all women are creatures of beauty. I've always been attracted to Asian gals though. Probably why I married a nice Japanese girl. ;)

[jinjuku]

Convenient? Yes. Better? Subjective.

A CD's encoding is digital. What is the difference between a CD player with clean power supply and nice DAC vs a computer outputting its stream to an external DAC?

Just wondering what is better about a stand alone CDP vs a computerized juke outputting via a digital (all 1's and 0's) to an external DAC?

[F1nut]

Less connections for one thing and don't think for one second that all digital cables are the same.

[jinjuku]

Less connections for one thing and don't think for one second that all digital cables are the same.

I would like to see some measurements to back that up... Other than the fact that you should at least use a decent (not bottom barrel) cable.

Any digital formats (audio/ethernet/video) all have correction routines built in. That I understand.

But all things being the same when encoding, if you end up with a checksum that equals what is the checksum on the source material you have a bit perfect copy. I would be very interested to put my soon to arrive XONAR HDAV 1.3 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829132008&Tpk=xonar%20hdav1.3)with my cd juke up against an nice CDP. You can even swap out the DAC's on the XONAR.

But here is some food for thought: ATI and nVdia both have cards that blow $2000 DVD and Blu-ray players out of the water. As a matter of fact I haven't yet seen a stand alone DVD up scaler that can best a modern ATI (3000/4000) series using AVIVO.

Not trying to start another pissing match. But I I think you can make an HTPC a very competent and high end A/V solution.

[GV#27]

What is the difference between a CD player with clean power supply and nice DAC vs a computer outputting its stream to an external DAC?

The relative quality of the analog output stages of both the CDP and external DAC would be very important factors in this comparison.

[dragon1952]

How could anything be more convenient than walking over to a CDP, slapping a disc in and pressing 'Play'. :confused:

[SCompRacer]

How could anything be more convenient than walking over to a CDP, slapping a disc in and pressing 'Play'. :confused:

Remain seated, open eyes, toggle through your entire music library via remote, press play and close eyes.;)

[bigred7078]

Remain seated, open eyes, toggle through your entire music library via remote, press play and close eyes.;)

haha nice

[Keiko]

Remain seated, open eyes, toggle through your entire music library via remote, press play and close eyes.;)
Phooey! :p Takes all the fun and enjoyment away from spinning vinyl bro. :)

[jinjuku]

The relative quality of the analog output stages of both the CDP and external DAC would be very important factors in this comparison.

Probably the most important. There are some really nice external USB DAC's.

[dragon1952]

Remain seated, open eyes, toggle through your entire music library via remote, press play and close eyes.;)
Well, ya gotta get up when the CD's over and get another beer anyway (and take a wizz), so you might as well just slap another CD in there while you're at it. :D I guess I don't understand exactly how it works. What are you looking at while you're working the remote?

[GV#27]

Probably the most important.IMO it would be, assuming ofcourse an error free low jitter data transfer to the external DAC.A good CDP will have low inherent jitter.
There are some really nice external USB DAC's.Keep in mind that the USB interface is inferior to the SPDIF in the areas of jitter and resolution.Using a standard coaxial digital output from the soundcard would be the best option.

[Keiko]

What are you looking at while you're working the remote?
Playlists

[BlueFox]

Remain seated, open eyes, toggle through your entire music library via remote, press play and close eyes.;)

Sit down with glass of wine or beer. Put music server on random shuffle, press play, close eyes, listen to 1000s of songs. Open eyes, get more wine. Repeat.

[jinjuku]

Well, ya gotta get up when the CD's over and get another beer anyway (and take a wizz), so you might as well just slap another CD in there while you're at it. :D I guess I don't understand exactly how it works. What are you looking at while you're working the remote?

With me it's my flat panel on the wall that my HTPC is hooked up to:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3316/3593434437_a5396099d1_o.jpg

Play lists are awesome and so is the ability to sort by artists, genres, etc...

[dragon1952]

I guess I'm just too old for that stuff.

[jinjuku]

IMO it would be, assuming ofcourse an error free low jitter data transfer to the external DAC.A good CDP will have low inherent jitter.Keep in mind that the USB interface is inferior to the SPDIF in the areas of jitter and resolution.Using a standard coaxial digital output from the soundcard would be the best option.

I thought jitter was the timing differences of clocking between the CD transport and the DAC? That it is primarily a sync issue due to the mechanical nature of the CD transport and the DAC.

Some of those problems go away. I would think that the USB DAC would clock to the computer bus that it is residing on. The same as everything else.

I am upgrading to the Xonar anyways so I am not messing around with an USB DAC any how.

[SCompRacer]

Well, ya gotta get up when the CD's over and get another beer anyway (and take a wizz), so you might as well just slap another CD in there while you're at it. :D I guess I don't understand exactly how it works. What are you looking at while you're working the remote?


LOL I hear you!

What I described was a Bolder Statement modded Squeezbox with CI Audio power supply I inherited. Of course I am old and need glasses so it can’t be too far away to read the display. As you see by the other posts, there are lots nicer ways to view your library.

While the Statement mod sounded good, I gave it to a friend in need and stayed with my most amusing ModWright 9100ES tube output digital source as it plays SACD's, and sounds much, much better. If I went computer based, I'd get a ModWright tube output Transporter. And I still like my vinyl too Mike!:cool:

[F1nut]

It's no wonder we have an obesity problem in this country.

[jinjuku]

I guess I'm just too old for that stuff.

You can get a nice HTPC for ~$500-600 with a 1TB drive... Let us know I'm sure we can source the parts for you. Just need someone to build it.

[Keiko]

It's no wonder we have an obesity problem in this country.
Precisely Jesse. Vinyl provides me with a great workout. I don't mind getting up to change my SACD's either. Listen well, stay fit. That's my motto. :D

[bigred7078]

With me it's my flat panel on the wall that my HTPC is hooked up to:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3316/3593434437_a5396099d1_o.jpg

Play lists are awesome and so is the ability to sort by artists, genres, etc...
.
hahahah its hilarious to see Rob Zombie and Mozart on the same screen :p


I really like using my AppleTV to scroll through all my music and movies.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg73/bigred7078/016-3.jpg

and its pretty nice because it takes up pretty much zero space unlike HTPC's. But i must admit i like my buddies HTPC running foobar
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg73/bigred7078/009-1.jpg

[dragon1952]

I've drooled over stereo components my whole life. The Audio/Video store overseas was like going to Disneyland for 3 yrs. I spent half my time in there. I want good, old fashioned stereo components with cool lights and dials ;)

[Keiko]

I've drooled over stereo components my whole life. The Audio/Video store overseas was like going to Disneyland for 3 yrs. I spent half my time in there. I want good, old fashioned stereo components with cool lights and dials ;)

Sansui! :cool:

[dragon1952]

Sansui! :cool:

Yep....mostly Japanese stuff. This was '76-'79. Everyone made turntables back then too. No CD players yet :D

[shack]

I guess I'm just too old for that stuff.

Plus its just damn boring.

[tonyb]

It's no wonder we have an obesity problem in this country.

Yeah...can't wait for the remote toilet to wipe your arse for you too.

Sex will be replaced by a walk in machine with virtual choices.

[reeltrouble1]

plus all this crap has no tubes so you know right their it sucks, keep blowin an I'll keep humming.

RT1--Tubes Rule.

[BlueFox]

plus all this crap has no tubes so you know right their it sucks, keep blowin an I'll keep humming.

That's right. No 19th century technology. Oh, the horrors!!! :eek:

[cnh]

Apples products are sleek but the audio they put out is, how can we say this delicately, less than adequate!

cnh

[Keiko]

Apples products are sleek but the audio they put out is, how can we say this delicately, less than adequate!

cnh

I like my iPod. Granted, it's not exactly a high end piece of equipment. It is what it is and does what it's supposed to. Like an Emo, I quess.


That's right. No 19th century technology. Oh, the horrors!!! :eek:

I'd take that old technology any day compared to some of the mass produced sh*t of today.

[BlueFox]

Apples products are sleek but the audio they put out is, how can we say this delicately, less than adequate!

Actually, this is only correct if you store lossy files on the iPod and play those files through the internal iPod DAC.

On the other hand, if you use lossless files, along with the Wadia iTransport dock which uses the digital output of the iPod, and an external DAC, the audio quality is directly proportional to the qualty of the external DAC.

[jinjuku]

Actually, this is only correct if you store lossy files on the iPod and play those files through the internal iPod DAC.

On the other hand, if you use lossless files, along with the Wadia iTransport dock which uses the digital output of the iPod, and an external DAC, the audio quality is directly proportional to the qualty of the external DAC.

Thanks for stating what should be obvious. As long as your digital stream is bit perfect, it's bit perfect. The DAC would be the single biggest barometer of SQ.

[BlueFox]

Thanks for stating what should be obvious. As long as your digital stream is bit perfect, it's bit perfect. The DAC would be the single biggest barometer of SQ.


I agree it should be obvious, but so many people equate iPod with MP3 that, apparently, it is not obvious to some people.

[Keiko]

I agree it should be obvious, but so many people equate iPod with MP3 that, apparently, it is not obvious to some people.

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/94b2195463.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)

[cnh]

I agree it should be obvious, but so many people equate iPod with MP3 that, apparently, it is not obvious to some people.

I don't disagree. But let's be realistic. The average, no MOST ipod users and APPLE as well encourage MP3 as their STANDARD. And you'd need a hell of an ipod to store a lot of lossless CDs on that. And the ipod can't play those formats, can it? It can output a bitstream to a DAC but that's NOT what it was DESIGNED to do. So essentially we're taking a low end audio device and applying a kind of duct tape solution which, certainly improves the sound enormously. But why bother! Just use a computer since you can't play that on the portable as a portable unless you have the ipod in one hand and the DACs in another?

cnh

[shack]

But why bother! Just use a computer since you can't play that on the portable as a portable unless you have the ipod in one hand and the DACs in another?cnh

Because you can take a $300 iPod attached to a $400 dock through a $500 free standing DAC and you get something that sounds very much like a $400 CDP. (or not nearly as good if that $400 CDP happens to be a world class "reference" emo CDP :rolleyes: )

[reeltrouble1]

Plus its just damn boring.

so true, but then it likely matches the system.

besides messing up a fine 2-channel rig with some ugly black box you focus on seems like a terrible thing to do, about as unmusical a thing as scraping your nails on the chalkboard.

now gazing into the soft warm glow of a fine set of power tubes in a dark cool room while wearing your finest smoking jacket with pipe in hand, that is where its at. not to mention how an album of songs is layed out based upon the artists conception of mood, language, musical key and scale mode, well, ok, actually I do mention it.

RT1

[Keiko]

Because you can take a $300 iPod attached to a $400 dock through a $500 free standing DAC and you get something that sounds very much like a $400 CDP. (or not nearly as good if that $400 CDP happens to be a world class "reference" emo CDP :rolleyes: )

How can you argue with that? :D :cool:

[heiney9]

How can you argue with that? :D :cool:

Believe me the "troll campers" will find a way to twist it, mold it, shape it, to fit their anti-hifi agenda's or for the mere idea of being contraversial. It's what they are taught in troll camp.

I have a tube amp hybrid specifically designed to be used with an iPod it has a nifty, sharp looking dock with a full function remote control. I don't own and iPod or similar and this amp is so much better off as a "stand alone" audio piece. Roll some 70's German Siemens tubes into her and let her glow and sing.

H9

[BlueFox]

How can you argue with that? :D :cool:

You are so correct. Stupidity is not worth correcting. ;)

[heiney9]

You are so correct. Stupidity is not worth correcting. ;)

I see you've been attending troll camp this summer. Hope you brought lots of shaving cream.

[BlueFox]

I don't disagree. But let's be realistic. The average, no MOST ipod users and APPLE as well encourage MP3 as their STANDARD. And you'd need a hell of an ipod to store a lot of lossless CDs on that. And the ipod can't play those formats, can it? It can output a bitstream to a DAC but that's NOT what it was DESIGNED to do. So essentially we're taking a low end audio device and applying a kind of duct tape solution which, certainly improves the sound enormously. But why bother! Just use a computer since you can't play that on the portable as a portable unless you have the ipod in one hand and the DACs in another?

To correct two points.


you'd need a hell of an ipod to store a lot of lossless CDs on that. And the ipod can't play those formats, can it

I have two 120GB iPods. I'm listening to one right now at work, using the Wadia dock, Benchmark DAC1, and Sennheiser Hd-650 headphones. The iPod currently has 1580 classical songs, ranging from a 2-3 minutes to 30 minutes in length, and there still is 70GB of free space. This is around a couple hundred albums. The songs are in lossless format, so obviously the iPod can play them. I bought a Polk iSonic to play the iPod outside on a warm night while drinking beer, and it works there also, but doesn't sound as good as through the 2 channel and external DAC.



It can output a bitstream to a DAC but that's NOT what it was DESIGNED to do.

If it was not designed to do that then it would not be able to do it.

[Keiko]

"troll campers" It's what they are taught in troll camp.

I love it heiney. That term just cracks me up for some reason. :D :D :D


You are so correct. Stupidity is not worth correcting. ;)

And I think we got a winner. :rolleyes:

[BlueFox]

I see you've been attending troll camp this summer. Hope you brought lots of shaving cream.

So, now the Polk Forum prolific posters, after tiring of Emotiva bashing and calling Emotiva supporters trolls, are now going to start bashing iPod music server users. Funny how these threads always deteriorate by the same Polk Forum prolific posters. :rolleyes:

[heiney9]

Guys, knock yourselves out with your iPods.........you're entitled to your opinion. Many on here don't feel the same way. Let it go.....enjoy the music the way you want to listen to it.

[heiney9]

So, now the Polk Forum prolific posters, after tiring of Emotiva bashing and calling Emotiva supporters trolls, are now going to start bashing iPod music server users. Funny how these threads always deteriorate by the same Polk Forum prolific posters. :rolleyes:

Always have had the same stance about iPods. You and I have had "bashing" (your poor choice of words) sessions before. My mind remains unchanged. Please see post #326 and let it go............

[Keiko]

So, now the Polk Forum prolific posters, after tiring of Emotiva bashing and calling Emotiva supporters trolls, are now going to start bashing iPod music server users. Funny how these threads always deteriorate by the same Polk Forum prolific posters. :rolleyes:

What you call bashing, I just simply call being realistic.

[dragon1952]

And just when it looked like we were all getting along,too.

[bigred7078]

I don't disagree. But let's be realistic. The average, no MOST ipod users and APPLE as well encourage MP3 as their STANDARD. And you'd need a hell of an ipod to store a lot of lossless CDs on that. And the ipod can't play those formats, can it? It can output a bitstream to a DAC but that's NOT what it was DESIGNED to do. So essentially we're taking a low end audio device and applying a kind of duct tape solution which, certainly improves the sound enormously. But why bother! Just use a computer since you can't play that on the portable as a portable unless you have the ipod in one hand and the DACs in another?

cnh


Actually Apple is trying not to encourage low bitrate music these days. They recently went with a standard of 256kbps instead of 128kbps. Still not CD quality but its getting better. And ipods CAN play lossless audio format, not .FLAC, but they can play .ALAC which is still lossless. But i dont use my ipod to play digital music, i use an AppleTV as my media device.

[bigred7078]

And just when it looked like we were all getting along,too.

...thats what i was thinking

[Ricardo]

What's an ipod?

[heiney9]

Actually Apple is trying not to encourage low bitrate music these days. They recently went with a standard of 256kbps instead of 128kbps. Still not CD quality but its getting better. And ipods CAN play lossless audio format, not .FLAC, but they can play .ALAC which is still lossless. But i dont use my ipod to play digital music, i use an AppleTV as my media device.

Well a std. cda file is 1411kbps (as is a FLAC file) so 256kbps is horrid!!! All lossy is actually horrid for hi-fi use. iPods have their uses.......IMO, as a source in a high end system it leaves a lot to be desired.

H9

[BlueFox]

Well a std. cda file 1411kbps (as is a FLAC file) so 256kbps is horrid!!! All lossy is actually horrid for hi-fi use. iPods have their uses.......IMO, as a source in a high end system it leaves a lot to be desired.

I agree if someone has lossy files on their iPod then it isn't a good source for a hi-fi, but if the files are lossless, and the files are digitally extracted bypassing the interal DAC, then an iPod is no differant than any other storage device used for retrieving digital music. And that includes CDs which are just another storage device for lossless files.

This is the part I do not understand in your dislike for iPods. An iPod is just a digital storage device with an LCD screen, and an OS for accessing and managing the files on it. If you said the iPod storage was to small, or it is the wrong color, then that is fine, but you continually imply that lossless files on an iPod are somehow differant than lossless files on some other digital storage device. That logic does not compute.

[Kex]

Does any of this have anything whatsoever to do with Emotiva's new ERC-1, or have we strayed completely off topic?! Perhaps it is now so controversial to discuss anything Emotiva that nobody is even bothering to try any more and iPods have become the new topic of the thread!

[Keiko]

What's an ipod?
You know, it's a thingamajiggit.

[Keiko]

Does any of this have anything whatsoever to do with Emotiva's new ERC-1, or have we strayed completely off topic?! Perhaps it is now so controversial to discuss anything Emotiva that nobody is even bothering to try any more and iPods have become the new topic of the thread!

OK...I'll try to steer us back on course with this thought. Emotiva ePods. Reference, World Class mp3 players. Think about it. :rolleyes: ;)

[heiney9]

OK...I'll try to steer us back on course with this thought. Emotiva ePods. Reference, World Class mp3 players. Think about it. :rolleyes: ;)

Actually I'm really surprised they don;t have an ePod. It really fits their customer demographic. I suppose just because your an audio company doesn't mean they have to offer something like that..............3-4 years ago I would have never thought a perceived higher end company like Wadia would offer an iPod dock. It's the trend right now and companies who need to make money need to make that compromise and pander to the iPod crowd.

As soon as Pass Labs offers one.............I'm packing it in and getting a transistor AM radio. I would be done :p;)

[Keiko]

Actually I'm really surprised they don;t have an ePod. It really fits their customer demographic. I suppose just because your an audio company doesn't mean they have to offer something like that..............3-4 years ago I would have never thought a perceived higher end company like Wadia would offer an iPod dock. It's the trend right now and companies who need to make money need to make that compromise and pander to the iPod crowd.

As soon as Pass Labs offers one.............I'm packing it in and getting a transistor AM radio. I would be done :p;)
Russman posted this awhile back....When this bad boy hits the mass market I'll be done. This is the Holy Grail to be all, end all. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n33ACfZ45ys

[SCompRacer]

What's an ipod?
You know, it's a thingamajiggit.

Didn't you guys see Invasion of the Body Snatchers ?

[bigred7078]

Well a std. cda file is 1411kbps (as is a FLAC file) so 256kbps is horrid!!! All lossy is actually horrid for hi-fi use. iPods have their uses.......IMO, as a source in a high end system it leaves a lot to be desired.

H9

well thats not my point. I'm just saying their trying to slowly get into better SQ. Peoples harddrive space is not quite there at the moment to allow for such big files.

I personally don't use itunes files for playing music. My digital music is all .ALAC and .FLAC

[GV#27]

...When this bad boy hits the mass market I'll be done. This is the Holy Grail to be all, end all. :D

Believe it or not It's been done already.Audio Technica marketed a portable TT called the Sound Burger back in the early 80's.Those reading the audio rags back then will likely remember it.For some odd reason it was'nt a big sales sucess.:confused: http://www.coolest-gadgets.com/20070925/audio-technica-at-727-sound-burger/

[heiney9]

well thats not my point. I'm just saying their trying to slowly get into better SQ. Peoples harddrive space is not quite there at the moment to allow for such big files.

Hate to break it to you but even if the space was unlimited most people don;t give a crap about sound quality. Sure there will always be a small contingent like yourself that would prefer lossless, but most don't care. Download times are double or tripled for lossless files many won;t stand for that.

Anyways there are hundreds of threads about iPods.............back to Emu

[bigred7078]

Hate to break it to you but even if the space was unlimited most people don;t give a crap about sound quality. Sure there will always be a small contingent like yourself that would prefer lossless, but most don't care. Download times are double or tripled for lossless files many won;t stand for that.

Anyways there are hundreds of threads about iPods.............back to Emu

yeeeeah i realize that. Whats your point???? I was referring to the .FLAC bitrate you pointed out. I wasn't saying it would ever be like that, but there is a reason why Apple decided to standardize to 256kbps for the moment.

[Keiko]

Believe it or not It's been done already.Audio Technica marketed a portable TT called the Sound Burger back in the early 80's.Those reading the audio rags back then will likely remember it.For some odd reason it was'nt a big sales sucess.:confused: http://www.coolest-gadgets.com/20070925/audio-technica-at-727-sound-burger/

Ha! That's cool GV. :cool: Thanks for the link. This may be something Emo could resurrect. eVinyl. :p

[comfortablycurt]

Believe it or not It's been done already.Audio Technica marketed a portable TT called the Sound Burger back in the early 80's.Those reading the audio rags back then will likely remember it.For some odd reason it was'nt a big sales sucess.:confused: http://www.coolest-gadgets.com/20070925/audio-technica-at-727-sound-burger/

Woah...That's awesome!! Incredibly impractical, but awesome none the less.

I need to pick one of those up sometime, just for the novelty of having a portable turntable...lol

I wonder how much those fetch on the used market.:confused:


Russman posted this awhile back....When this bad boy hits the mass market I'll be done. This is the Holy Grail to be all, end all. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n33ACfZ45ys

That's hilarious! I want an iVinyl.

[F1nut]

I spit on iPod's.

[W WALDECKER]

I spit on iPod's.Me too :D

[keithpgdrb]

Yes, I know this is an older thread. but wow, I came here to find a little info on the Emotiva cd player, and I just waded through about 2 pages of useful content, and 10 pages of bs. The biggest lesson I've learned is that there must not be any moderators on the polk forums. :(

[Polkitup2]

Many don't like whiners or Emotiva here.

[hearingimpared]

Yes, I know this is an older thread. but wow, I came here to find a little info on the Emotiva cd player, and I just waded through about 2 pages of useful content, and 10 pages of bs. The biggest lesson I've learned is that there must not be any moderators on the polk forums. :(

Welcome to Club Polk Keith.

I have to ask you one question though, why come to the Polk Audio forum, a speaker forum, for Emotiva information. Why not go to Emotiva's forum? The moderators there don't allow anti-Emotiva opinions.

[organ]

Forget these fanboys guys. Leave em' to their Emo's and juju beans.

It's time for somehttp://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/ccf8f1dc67.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)PIE!



Bon appetit! ;)


:eek::eek::eek:DAMN!!!!! I'VE GOT TO GET ME ONE OF THOSE!!!!:eek::eek::eek:Damn!!!

More pie please:)

[shack]

I have to ask you one question though, why come to the Polk Audio forum, a speaker forum, for Emotiva information. Why not go to Emotiva's forum? The moderators there don't allow anti-Emotiva opinions.

What a concept...got to the EMU site to get your possitive EMU reviews. :rolleyes:

[F1nut]

Yes, I know this is an older thread. but wow, I came here to find a little info on the Emotiva cd player, and I just waded through about 2 pages of useful content, and 10 pages of bs. The biggest lesson I've learned is that there must not be any moderators on the polk forums. :(

Why so EMOtional?

[hearingimpared]

Lol!!!