Emotiva CD player a big hit so far

[Early B.]

The Emotiva ERC-1 was shipped out this week to the first few customers. They have been recording their initial impressions on the Emo forum. So far the reviews have been very favorable. If you're looking a for a "reference" CDP, $399 may be a steal of a deal.

http://emotiva.com/erc1.shtm

I wonder how it performs compared to a stock Jolida. Hmmm...

[Ricardo]

I don't believe in magic; you'd have to be very naive to think a $399 CDP can compete with any "reference" player.

Hopefully they won't have any QC issues with this one.

[Toolfan66]

It seems they have the amp issues they had under control, but i have read they still have issues with the PRE's and Processor's now and then not sure how true this is if so then my guess is this will be the same. But time will tell.

[heiney9]

There's that word "reference" again. :rolleyes:

[apphd]

It seems they have the amp issues they had under control, but i have read they still have issues with the PRE's and Processor's now and then not sure how true this is if so then my guess is this will be the same. But time will tell.

What amp issues? I wasn't aware of any common amp issues that were design related. Only quality issues like any other manufacture, as far as I know no more no less.

None of their PRE's and Processors are new releases yet. Again the only design issue I know of is the well documented LMC1 which I think even the Emo folks acknowledge was a problem laden product, which they vow to never repeat.
Yes time will tell on this and any of the new products.

Like you I think I would wait a while before jumping on a new release, just like 90% of the CE products these days. Although some manufactures do better than others.

[Toolfan66]

What amp issues? I wasn't aware of any common amp issues that were design related. Only quality issues like any other manufacture, as far as I know no more no less.

None of their PRE's and Processors are new releases yet. Again the only design issue I know of is the well documented LMC1 which I think even the Emo folks acknowledge was a problem laden product, which they vow to never repeat.
Yes time will tell on this and any of the new products.

Like you I think I would wait a while before jumping on a new release, just like 90% of the CE products these days. Although some manufactures do better than others.


Like i said not sure how true any of this is, it's just some reading i have read online. i for one have had no issues with my Emotiva XPA-3 i like it very much. and would have no problem in purchasing anything from Emotiva. it does the job quite well in my setup. as far as my HT rig i am done for awhile. sometime down the line i wouldnt mind getting another XPA-3 and try out by/amping my A9's just for experimenting and see for my self if it is worth it. not like i would be out much if i did'nt think so the XPA-3 holds its value right now.

[heiney9]

Well, from what I've read (and granted it is the internet) it seems they have more QC issue per units sold than many other manufacturer's. But low cost, assembled in China and that's par for the course for any of these types of manufacturer's. Certainly nothing to be alarmed about.......many times there is a trade-off for low prices.

[Keiko]

I don't believe in magic; you'd have to be very naive to think a $399 CDP can compete with any "reference" player.

Hopefully they won't have any QC issues with this one.

Hey now, this is "World Class" gear. That's good enough for me. :o

[Dawgfish]

Toolfanforlife,

I highly recommended biamping your A9s. I had great luck doing so with my RTi-12s. I am currently running as set of RTA-12Bs as my front mains, because I love their musicality and have moved the RTi12s to sorround duty, so I'm not currently biamping my RTi12s. When I get a dedicated two channel pre-amp, I'm going to move the RTA-12Bs to a dedicated two channel setup and move my RTi-12s back to my mains in my home theater set-up. I will biamp the RTi-12s agian when I do this. It really brought them to life. I'm just not sure wether the improvement was due to the biamping, or just an increase in wattage, or a combination of both, but I really liked what I heard.

Steve

[devani]

it will only cost around $20 to ship it back at 17.5 lbs unboxed....

[Face]

Emo is to good sound as Audiohaulics is to good information.

[F1nut]

Reference? Let's look at that.

Channel Separation:
Emo - 95dB @ 1kHz
Reference - 98dB @ 10Hz to 20kHz

Frequency Response:
Emo - 20Hz to 20kHz @ +0/-1dB
Reference - 10Hz to 20kHz @ +0/-0.05dB

S/N Ratio:
Emo - 100dB
Reference - 120dB

THD:
Emo - 0.01%
Reference - 0.002%

Linearity:
Emo - 0.2dB
Reference - 0dB

Jitter:
Emo - Unknown
Reference - < 150pS

Weight:
Emo - 17.5 lbs.
Reference - 43 lbs.



Well, by the specs it's clear that the Emo is not reference level. Of course, it doesn't cost anywhere near reference level and I'm sure for some that it'll be good enough, but they shouldn't kid themselves either.

[Toolfan66]

Agreed, but for someone that has to stay within a budget, i think Emo is just fine. I know they can get used gear as well that would smoke Emo, I my self am looking into that for my 2 channel rig that i am in the works of building i want to get the best i can with what money i have to spend to do these SDA SRS 1.2's justice,I can upgrade from there. at least i will be able to enjoy my SDA's till then, but for my HT setup i am just fine with Emo. I have the house thumping for an hour or two every day.

Hopefully within the next two years after i learn some more and save some more i can move up the ladder a little, but right now i just want to get my rig up and running so i can enjoy it for the time being. I could go out and rack up some credit card debt, but no thanks. i will just wait, and enjoy what i am doing for a little while, and save up for later upgrades.

One can sit and keep woundering how they can do this and do that. Hell i do it all the time, but i want to get everything going and enjoy it for awhile.

[Keiko]

Reference? Let's look at that.

Channel Separation:
Emo - 95dB @ 1kHz
Reference - 98dB @ 10Hz to 20kHz

Frequency Response:
Emo - 20Hz to 20kHz @ +0/-1dB
Reference - 10Hz to 20kHz @ +0/-0.05dB

S/N Ratio:
Emo - 100dB
Reference - 120dB

THD:
Emo - 0.01%
Reference - 0.002%

Linearity:
Emo - 0.2dB
Reference - 0dB

Jitter:
Emo - Unknown
Reference - < 150pS

Weight:
Emo - 17.5 lbs.
Reference - 43 lbs.



Well, by the specs it's clear that the Emo is not reference level. Of course, it doesn't cost anywhere near reference level and I'm sure for some that it'll be good enough, but they shouldn't kid themselves either.

I'm no Guru and just out of curiosity I looked up the specs on my Yamaha RX-797 to compare to the 'reference' figures Jesse. If I read it right, even on paper my Yammie is better than the Emotiva.

• Frequency Response
(20 Hz to 20 kHz) ........................................... 0 ± 0.5 dB
CD DIRECT AMP, etc. (10 Hz to 100 kHz) ................ 0 ± 1.0 dB

• Signal to Noise Ratio
PHONO (5 mV input shorted) ................................87 dB or more
CD DIRECT AMP (200 mV input shorted) ..........110 dB or more

• Channel Separation
CD, etc. (5.1 kΩ input shorted, 1/10 kHz) ........ 65/50 dB or more

0.019% THD, 20 Hz to 20 kHz

Linearity ???

Jitter ???

Weight 25Lbs.

[Toolfan66]

Those are the specs for the CD player Mike :)

We should pull the specs for their Pre and put them next to the Yamaha.

[Keiko]

Those are the specs for the CD player Mike :)

We should pull the specs for their Pre and put them next to the Yamaha.

Ah, OK...Told ya I wasn't a Guru. :p

[devani]

(i am going to get a chair and some food)
yay...round 2

[haimoc]

In addition, the VRMS is kind of low to me. I prefer one with a least 2 VRMS.
• Output voltage: 1V rms


Reference? Let's look at that.

Channel Separation:
Emo - 95dB @ 1kHz
Reference - 98dB @ 10Hz to 20kHz

Frequency Response:
Emo - 20Hz to 20kHz @ +0/-1dB
Reference - 10Hz to 20kHz @ +0/-0.05dB

S/N Ratio:
Emo - 100dB
Reference - 120dB

THD:
Emo - 0.01%
Reference - 0.002%

Linearity:
Emo - 0.2dB
Reference - 0dB

Jitter:
Emo - Unknown
Reference - < 150pS

Weight:
Emo - 17.5 lbs.
Reference - 43 lbs.



Well, by the specs it's clear that the Emo is not reference level. Of course, it doesn't cost anywhere near reference level and I'm sure for some that it'll be good enough, but they shouldn't kid themselves either.

[F1nut]

In addition, the VRMS is kind of low to me. I prefer one with a least 2 VRMS.
• Output voltage: 1V rms

Thanks, you are right. I forgot to point that out.

[Toolfan66]

Hey F1,

What does VRMS stand for? what is it?

Thanks,

Larry.

[Danny Tse]

Looks cool, but slot loading is a "no no" to me. Still leaning towards the Onkyo DX-7555 ($399 @ J&R). Or that vintage Technics portable CD player. :D

[haimoc]

Hey F1,

What does VRMS stand for? what is it?

Thanks,

Larry.

More info on RMS.
http://www.aqdi.com/rms.htm

[Toolfan66]

I think the BADA is the way to go. would love to have that as my new toy.

[Toolfan66]

More info on RMS.
http://www.aqdi.com/rms.htm


Thanks. :cool:

[F1nut]

VRMS = Volts Root Mean Square

In this case, it's basically the strength of the signal feed out of the CDP to the pre amp. 2 VRMS is pretty much the standard.

[Ricardo]

Here are my reference's specs. Poor in terms of content, but what's there is not bad:

SPECIFICATIONS

SACD
Format 1-Bit DSD
Sampling Frequency 2.8224MHz
Dynamic Range 114 dB
Frequency Response (-3 dB) 2Hz - 50kHz
THD 0.0009 %

CD Audio
Format 16-Bit Linear PCM
Sampling Frequency 44.1 kHz
Dynamic Range 100dB
Frequency Response 2Hz - 20kHz
THD 0.0020%

[cnh]

In this price range...which inevitably will draw the 'reference' are you kidding criticism. I like the Pioneer PD-D9J Elite SACD. Less than a 1000 new...but hey, some of us have mortgage payments! And it's nice...not reference, of course. Try it, you'll like it...or you can just wait and tank up to the multi-1000 dollar player class CDP.

I heard a pretty pricey McIntosh--that sounded didn't even sound as good as the Pioneer...so take the cable, and synergy thing into consideration.

cnh

[Keiko]

VRMS = Volts Root Mean Square

In this case, it's basically the strength of the signal feed out of the CDP to the pre amp. 2 VRMS is pretty much the standard.

That basically translates (for me anyway) as to how much vroom vroom (horsepower) it has. Am I learnin' yet? :o

[Ricardo]

Ha. The Denon 2910 that I recently got for $140:

Frequency Response:
SACD: 2Hz to 100kHz
CD: 2 Hz to 20 kHz
S/N Ratio: 118 dB
THD: 0.001%
Dynamic Range: 106 dB
Output Level: 2 Vrms

Of course specs don't mean anything.

[Keiko]

This is what it gives for my Yamaha S1800.

AUDIO PERFORMANCE
• DA Converter......................................... .............24 bit, 192 kHz
• Signal-Noise (1 kHz).............................................. .........115 dB
• Dynamic range (1 kHz).............................................. ......105 dB
• DVD............................................... .......fs 96 kHz, 2 Hz–44 kHz
fs 48 kHz, 2 Hz–22 kHz
• SVCD.............................................. ......fs 48 kHz, 2 Hz–22 kHz
fs 44.1 kHz, 2 Hz–20 kHz
• CD/VCD............................................fs 44.1 kHz, 2 Hz–20 kHz
• Distortion and Noise (1 kHz)..........................................0.00 2%

Someone throw me bone.

[apphd]

Well, from what I've read (and granted it is the internet) it seems they have more QC issue per units sold than many other manufacturer's. But low cost, assembled in China and that's par for the course for any of these types of manufacturer's. Certainly nothing to be alarmed about.......many times there is a trade-off for low prices.

Exactly. Not sure if their QC per units sold is much different than most others since so much is manufactured in China. I don't think many companies publish those numbers. But like you said there are trade offs for low prices. Could be in the CS dept., the sound quality, the build qual. or a combination of all. It's just personal decisions on what you are willing to risk for the cheaper prices. I think most Emo customers have been happy with their purchase. Is there better out there? Yes many and much better. For the price new? The list becomes much shorter.

As far as "reference", well most companies dump a good amount of coin into marketing, which for some reason is not very up front with info.

As with all marketing take it for what it is, not what it says. :D

[BlueFox]

If you're looking a for a "reference" CDP, $399 may be a steal of a deal.

I have left lower case equipment behind, and am now looking for "Reference" equipment. If I ever win the lotto I will skip "Reference", and go straight to "REFERENCE" equipment.

[Toolfan66]

I guess i just don't understand what you guys mean by REFERENCE.

[Face]

Channel Separation:
Emo - 95dB @ 1kHz
DacMagic - Crosstalk @ 1kHz: < -100dB, @ 20kHz: < -90dB
840C - Crosstalk @ 1kHz: > -130dB, @ 20kHz: > -114dB

Frequency Response:
Emo - 20Hz to 20kHz @ +0/-1dB
Dacmagic - 20Hz to 20kHz (±0.1dB) - steep filter disabled
840C - 20Hz - 20kHz +/- 0.1dB

S/N Ratio:
Emo - 100dB
DacMagic - -112dBr
840C - > 113dB

THD:
Emo - 0.01%
DacMagic - THD @ 1Khz 0dBFs: <0.001% 24bit
THD @ 1kHz -10dBFs: <0.001%
THD @ 20kHz 0dBFs: <0.002%
840C - THD @ 1Khz 0dBFs: <0.0008%
THD @ 1kHz -10dBFs: <0.0004%
THD @ 20kHz 0dBFs: <0.0007%
THD @ (19/20kHz) 0dBFs: <0.0002%

Linearity:
Emo - 0.2dB
DacMagic - Not Rated
840C - @ -90dBFs: +/-0.5dB

Jitter:
Emo - Unknown
DacMagic - 130pS
840C - 130pS


Hell, no! I'm sure the ERC-1 will be fantastic, but haven't you heard -- tubes rule!! I expect it to be as good or better than the Cambridge Audio 840C.
Sure... Plus with 1V RMS, good luck driving a passive or any low gain components.

[acsubie]

Here we go again!....i dont even have to be a psychic to already know one of these threads will pop up every time a new Emo product is released

[BlueFox]

The Emotiva ERC-1 was shipped out this week to the first few customers.
http://emotiva.com/erc1.shtm


That is kind of neat it uses the same method as a car CD player for getting a disk in or out. Maybe that is common in home equipment, but that is the first I have noticed it. I have wondered if that method is better/worse than a tray. I do know in my car I am always getting the CD crooked or whatever trying to insert it. On the other hand, there have been times I have accidentally run the CD or DVD along the front edge of the tray drawer while inserting or removing. Fortunately, I haven't yet damaged a CD/DVD.

One point though. The web-page says it uses a "Analog Devices 1955 DAC".

A 1955 DAC!!! This is 2009. At the least, they should be using a Analog Devices 2008 DAC. :rolleyes:

[Toolfan66]

I find this thread to be educational right now IMHO. For me anyways.

[megasat16]

Sorry for the word "Reference" for it's existence!

[Face]

If people didn't act like every new Emo product was the second coming of Christ(or first :D), then things wouldn't be blown out of proportion.

It's a $400 CDP, hopefully it performs at or above it's price point. But to call it a reference player... :rolleyes:

[Retro152]

If people didn't act like every new Emo product was the second coming of Christ(or first :D), then things wouldn't be blown out of proportion.

It's a $400 CDP, hopefully it performs at or above it's price point. But to call it a reference player... :rolleyes:

Face, how do you define a "reference" piece of gear? Receiver,Amp,Cd player, Speakers, etc. Not a challenge, just curious, as myself and other newb's may be.:confused:

[BlueFox]

Face, how do you define a "reference" piece of gear? Receiver,Amp,Cd player, Speakers, etc. Not a challenge, just curious, as myself and other newb's may be.:confused:

Not to be presumptuous, and speak for Mr. Face, but to me “Reference” is a synonym for “Best”. That is, a piece of gear by which others are judged. Think of it as something that is in the National Bureau of Standards. It is the official measuring standard, and others try to measure up, or pretend they do.

Of course, unlike a meter or the speed of light, reference audio gear changes every generation.

[Retro152]

Not to be presumptuous, and speak for Mr. Face, but to me “Reference” is a synonym for “Best”. That is, a piece of gear by which others are judged. Think of it as something that is in the National Bureau of Standards. It is the official measuring standard, and others try to measure up, or pretend they do.

Of course, unlike a meter or the speed of light, reference audio gear changes every generation.

Got ya, "Tried and true" Adcom, Rotel, Sunfire, etc. Made their names years ago. Emotiva trying to join the club. I have had the Xpa-3 for about 3 months now, and no problem's whatsoever. It is my first amp, so i dont have anything to compare it to, but for the price a terrific buy! Solid build, Dynamic sound. Only time will tell how Emotiva and the ERC-1 stack up as "reference" quality. Seem's like their on there way though.:D

[apphd]

Face, how do you define a "reference" piece of gear? Receiver,Amp,Cd player, Speakers, etc. Not a challenge, just curious, as myself and other newb's may be.:confused:

I think that is the biggest problem. There is "Reference" and "reference quality". Both terms I think are different and used very loosely by many. There are numerous businesses that do custom installs that have the word "Reference" somewhere in their business name. It is used often in product names such as Monster Reference Power Center and Monster Interlink Reference - Reference Quality Audio Interconnect. I have no idea if these are truly "Reference" or if there is even a standard (esp. for the power center) that would quantify what "reference" is for these.

AES (Audio Engineering Society) I believe sets the standard for what meets the Professional sound recording and associated equipment.
What I am not sure of is if the word "reference" and specs./standards of AES are licensed like THX for example. I'm also not sure if these standards apply or were intended to apply to the commercial home market.

The only place I have found these on line is here:
http://www.aes.org/publications/standards/ which has them to purchase. Complete set of all standards = $500 for non AES members, or a document that only contains the recommended practice for describing and specifying loudspeaker components used in professional audio and sound-reinforcement systems. = $30.

I'm not that interested as to what actually defines "reference", as my budget will never allow "reference" rated gear to buy any of these documents.

When it comes to Emo I think they offer good product at a reasonable price and that's it. But have found themselves (maybe engineered by them or not) in a love em or hate em status on the internet which I think is over rated on both sides. (my $.02)

Since I am still on the up hill side of the learning curve I would appreciate corrections to my assumptions are on "reference"
Thanks

[dpowell]

Denon 3910:

24-bit, 192kHz DAC's
Output level: 2 VMRS
Frequency Responsd (CD's): 2Hz to 20kHz
S/N Ratio: 120db
Dynamic Range: 110db
total harmonic distortion: 0.0008%

Didn't even know to look for these specs until this thread came along. glad I bought it when it came up for sale on the forum.

[dpowell]

Marketing people have ruined so many of the words that used to be reseved only for products that stood head and shoulder above the rest. Words like deluxe, premier, ultimate, reference, 'high quality', etc. I'm sure there are may others. They just don't mean anything any more.

[cnh]

That is kind of neat it uses the same method as a car CD player for getting a disk in or out. Maybe that is common in home equipment, but that is the first I have noticed it. I have wondered if that method is better/worse than a tray. I do know in my car I am always getting the CD crooked or whatever trying to insert it. On the other hand, there have been times I have accidentally run the CD or DVD along the front edge of the tray drawer while inserting or removing. Fortunately, I haven't yet damaged a CD/DVD.

One point though. The web-page says it uses a "Analog Devices 1955 DAC".

A 1955 DAC!!! This is 2009. At the least, they should be using a Analog Devices 2008 DAC. :rolleyes:

Blue..

I doubt DACs are numbered according to the year they're produced. At least not Burr Brown, Wolfson, Cirrus Logic, etc.? Check the numbers.

cnh

[GV#27]

Blue..

I doubt DACs are numbered according to the year they're produced. At least not Burr Brown, Wolfson, Cirrus Logic, etc.? Check the numbers.

cnhNor are the Analog Devices chips.

[BlueFox]

Blue..

I doubt DACs are numbered according to the year they're produced. At least not Burr Brown, Wolfson, Cirrus Logic, etc.? Check the numbers.

It was a joke. I doubt vacuum tube DACs existed in 1955. :eek:

[cnh]

You're right...I should've picked up on that, bluefox.

cnh

[BlueFox]

No problem. My attempts at humor fall flat most of the time. :)

[apphd]

Marketing people have ruined so many of the words that used to be reseved only for products that stood head and shoulder above the rest. Words like deluxe, premier, ultimate, reference, 'high quality', etc. I'm sure there are may others. They just don't mean anything any more.

I think that is the problem. Sometimes words take on new meanings or accepted meanings from what would be found in a dictionary. It seems as though if something is not trade marked, licensed and protected (maybe too much by Monster) it will be obscured by the marketing pro's that want to capitalize on the perceived meaning. Which is why I was hoping to hear more on this, so I could separate my perception from fact.

[dpowell]

This forum is great because there are a lot of members who know what is good and can help those of us on smaller budgets cut through the marketing gobbledegook sp? and get good stuff the first time out.

[apphd]

This forum is great because there are a lot of members who know what is good and can help those of us on smaller budgets cut through the marketing gobbledegook sp? and get good stuff the first time out.

How true, just sometimes we need to cut through some of the gobbledegoop in here as well:D

[dragon1952]

There are quite a few CD players in that price range, and up to $100 less even, on the used market that could be considered awesome. Music Hall CD25.2, Rotel RCD-1072, Arcam CD73, Cambridge Audio 640C, Rega Planet, to name a few. Even the NAD's. I've even seen a couple Jolida JD-100's go for $450 decently. That Emotiva is kind of cool looking, but there are an awful lot of options for the same price that would be likely to absolutely kill it.

[WilliamM2]

Sometimes a manufacturer tries too hard to differentiate their product. The goofy slot load mechanism for instance. That alone will keep me away.

[comfortablycurt]

Sometimes a manufacturer tries too hard to differentiate their product. The goofy slot load mechanism for instance. That alone will keep me away.

x2

I'd MUCH prefer having a traditional disc tray. Those slot loaders are great for car stereos, but that's about it IMO. I can imagine those slot loaders scratching discs up over time. I'm sure there's a very good reason that you almost never see those on home CDP's.

[VR3]

I am not a big fan of disc tray CD players either...

I love my top loading CD player.

Something to note about Emotiva's slot load is they designed it, it is not some off the shelf transport... just a FWIW

[Early B.]

You guys have gotten way off track on this thread.

I've been skimming the initial reviews on the Emo forum and so far, everyone who has received their ERC-1 has been raving about it. This CDP hasn't been compared to a "reference" player yet, but I expect it to perform well against them (whatever you perceive reference to be). Those reviews should be forthcoming in the next few days.

[dragon1952]

So far it looks like it's beat out some Oppo's, a Revox, a 15 yr old Sony ES, an Onkyo carousel, and some other assorted Denon and Pioneer DVD players :D
I think it looks cool though, but not sure I like the 'CD sucker' either. I am a sucker for blue lights though.

[genjivn]

So far it looks like it's beat out some Oppo's, a Revox, a 15 yr old Sony ES, an Onkyo carousel, and some other assorted Denon and Pioneer DVD players :D

And a Magnavox:D

[cnh]

I don't understand the slot load criticism, a PS3 is slot loaded and aren't some McIntosh CDPs also slot loaded??

cnh

[reeltrouble1]

QC issues with this one.


Did you have to send yours back, did they pay???

RT1

[apphd]

How did this:

I don't believe in magic; you'd have to be very naive to think a $399 CDP can compete with any "reference" player.

Hopefully they won't have any QC issues with this one.

Turn into your quote above?

Did you have to send yours back, did they pay???

RT1

[reeltrouble1]

you missed that thousands of posts emo thread where Ricardo had to send his amp back three times......

well not really but you get the joke........god your slow, you drive a Yugo????

RT1

[apphd]

Do they still make Yugo?:D I didn't see any reference to Ricardo's thread so I missed the joke. Now I get it:o Sorry, kind of kills a joke when you have to explain it.
But what about those that didn't see the thread, they could be misled, kind of like false advertizing, which seems to be many folks complaint with Emo.;)

[reeltrouble1]

well i kinda figured with something like 10,000 hits on that post...........but I suppose someone could miss it, anyway, if emo calls the thing reference that would be in my opinion false advertising.....but I would venture that like most audio gear these days its sounds pretty good but not outstanding.

RT1

[bigred7078]

x2

I'd MUCH prefer having a traditional disc tray. Those slot loaders are great for car stereos, but that's about it IMO. I can imagine those slot loaders scratching discs up over time. I'm sure there's a very good reason that you almost never see those on home CDP's.

hmmmm.... i guess those idiots over at Classe have no idea what they are doing either then....:rolleyes:

[bigred7078]

lol my goodness....some of you REALLY need to chill out with the word reference...It is a reference unit within their line-up, that is it, that is all... give it up already

[reeltrouble1]

chilled, eggs cooling, jello jiggling and the butters getting hard...

ode to Chick Hearn.

does the ad say its Emo's reference player??? I can't keep my snob card and go look at the sight myself.

RT1

[WilliamM2]

I don't understand the slot load criticism, a PS3 is slot loaded and aren't some McIntosh CDPs also slot loaded??

cnh

It's not a normal slot load mechanism, it uses some type of loading arm. You have to wait until the unit displays "ready" before inserting the disc. Users on the forum over there have claimed it's clumsy, a couple even reported scratching discs because they didn't wait until it was "ready".

That's why I called it a goofy slot load.

[comfortablycurt]

hmmmm.... i guess those idiots over at Classe have no idea what they are doing either then....:rolleyes:


Sorry dude.:rolleyes: I have a different opinion. I personally wouldn't want a slot loaded CDP. If you want one, go right ahead.

The new Rotel also used a slot-load, and I wouldn't buy one because of that fact.

Opinions have been known to vary from person to person ya know?:rolleyes:

[cnh]

hmmmm.... i guess those idiots over at Classe have no idea what they are doing either then....:rolleyes:

That Classe CDP 202 looks like one hexx of a Cd player. I'm pretty sure we could call that 'reference'. Incredible specs and processing. I'd definitely like to hear that in action. But will never be able to afford the 6500 price tag!

cnh

[Face]

I was far from impressed the last time I heard a Classe and B&W rig.

[F1nut]

I was far from impressed the last time I heard a Classe and B&W rig.

Kinda like having ice picks shoved in your ears, eh!?!

[reeltrouble1]

so what's up with Denon building Mc's transport for SACD?? Anyway that is the rumour as Mc won't say who built it.

Denon, Marantz and McIntosh all under one roof, who would of ever thunk it.

RT1

[bigred7078]

Sorry dude.:rolleyes: I have a different opinion. I personally wouldn't want a slot loaded CDP. If you want one, go right ahead.

The new Rotel also used a slot-load, and I wouldn't buy one because of that fact.

Opinions have been known to vary from person to person ya know?:rolleyes:

I dont really care man. Its very very very different than a car decks slot loading mechanism. It will not scratch your disks.

Me, i don't care for stand alone CDP's. I went all digital lossless awhile back and love it.

[bigred7078]

That Classe CDP 202 looks like one hexx of a Cd player. I'm pretty sure we could call that 'reference'. Incredible specs and processing. I'd definitely like to hear that in action. But will never be able to afford the 6500 price tag!

cnh

haha it is pretty hefty in the price tag, but that Classe is an incredible unit.

[bigred7078]

I was far from impressed the last time I heard a Classe and B&W rig.

I kind of know what you mean. I really like both products, but together....they just never wow me.

[comfortablycurt]

I dont really care man. Its very very very different than a car decks slot loading mechanism. It will not scratch your disks.



That's not even really the point I was trying to make.

The point is, that I would prefer a tray loader to a slot loader. So, I'm not buying a slot loader.;)

[moe]

So...specs = sound? weight = quality? I don't think so.I know I've had a few pcs of crap with great specs and very heavy.Listen then decide whatever you judge,otherwise speculation is useless.

[nooshinjohn]

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[devani]

So...specs = sound? weight = quality? I don't think so.I know I've had a few pcs of crap with great specs and very heavy.Listen then decide whatever you judge,otherwise speculation is useless.

also add price = quality....that's the universal measurement in culb polk

[tonyb]

also add price = quality....that's the universal measurement in culb polk

Kinda....more so price to sound quality ratio,after all,isn't it SQ that we all lust after? Emo and a ton of other companies have budget minded products that all seem to hit that same middle of the road sound quality.Just enough to please the average consumer.If thats all you want,then your good to go.Some of us prefer the ongoing journey for better SQ untill our ears are pleased with the end result.

[bigred7078]

Kinda....more so price to sound quality ratio,after all,isn't it SQ that we all lust after? Emo and a ton of other companies have budget minded products that all seem to hit that same middle of the road sound quality.Just enough to please the average consumer.If thats all you want,then your good to go.Some of us prefer the ongoing journey for better SQ untill our ears are pleased with the end result.

Good point. But can i ask if you have demoed any Emotiva product? The problem is most of the club polk members who claim emotiva sucks or is just cheap gear have never even tried it. Then they become all elitist and claim they don't have to try it...

[apphd]

Kinda....more so price to sound quality ratio,after all,isn't it SQ that we all lust after? Emo and a ton of other companies have budget minded products that all seem to hit that same middle of the road sound quality.Just enough to please the average consumer.If thats all you want,then your good to go.Some of us prefer the ongoing journey for better SQ untill our ears are pleased with the end result.

True, but for some, for various reasons the "middle of the road" is the limit of what budget is available. Better SQ is known to exist, but is out of reach. Is the point your ears are pleased with SQ the end of the journey, or is it when you have the best SQ you can afford?

[Face]

Good point. But can i ask if you have demoed any Emotiva product? The problem is most of the club polk members who claim emotiva sucks or is just cheap gear have never even tried it. Then they become all elitist and claim they don't have to try it...
Some of elitists here have tried their gear and have returned it. :rolleyes:

So because I haven't owned a Kia, does that make me a snob or elitist if I said they suck?

Btw, nobody in this thread has said Emo sucks, yet.

[treitz3]

also add price = quality....that's the universal measurement in culb polkI disagree and I don't know where you base your claim on this one. There have been plenty of references of quality over price.....take for instance the Polk LSi9 -vs- the Polk LSi25. The LSi25 is the expensive one, yet I see that the LSi9 is the most commonly recommended speaker out of the LSi lineup.

After being a member of this forum [getting to know member's preferences] and meeting a lot of the members, I can say that usually price doesn't mean a damn thing unless it's beyond one's budget. Sound and the end result as to what hits your ears would be more accurate of a measurement. That said, there is definitely nothing universal about it.

[shack]

Then they become all elitist and claim they don't have to try it...


I don't own one, I haven't demoed one, I don't want to demo one, I don't want to own one. BFD

"Elitist" shack

[bigred7078]

Some of elitists here have tried their gear and have returned it. :rolleyes:

So because I haven't owned a Kia, does that make me a snob or elitist if I said they suck?

Btw, nobody in this thread has said Emo sucks, yet.

riiight so because one guy tried it and thinks its not good means that viewpoint is set in stone... :rolleyes:

no one in this thread said it sucks, but its been stated before by people who have commented in this threa and are only here to bash it.

[cnh]

I haven't auditioned an Emotiva either. There are a few things you might be able to discern from its construction, though. For example, a 200-250 watt/channel amp does not have to weigh a ton. And a lot of people don't like Darlington circuitry and other design features in the Emotiva which make it more 'complex' inside than a simpler, more elegant, and lighter design would warrant. Remember, one important factor is not to have too many pathways between your source and the power that can influence, color, the sound and so forth.

I am by no means an expert in this field. But it would seem to me that it might be more profitable to talk about some of these features of amps people 'do' like in greater detail...so as to illustrate some support by those who just don't think much of Emos!

I found the note that heiney9 posted from Nelson Pass on the original design of the Adcom 555 quite revealing in that sense. And I am not a designer of amps...but it made 'sense'.

More of this as well as the subjective dimension of what one hears as good are warranted here.

cnh

[bigred7078]

I don't own one, I haven't demoed one, I don't want to demo one, I don't want to own one. BFD

"Elitist" shack

Ok well thanks for contributing to my point.

I really really don't care if you don't like Emotiva. But to make statements like that is just ignorance. The only people that continually argree with you on this matter is the same group of goons that always back each other up. Do you not realize this? You can go ahead and throw some witty remarks my way, im sure you or someone else will, but that does not take away from the fact that some of you guys are blinded with stubborn ignorance. You think your being wise and all knowning...call it what you want but many people, NOT just me see it as elitist ignorance.

And why does this same group of people who think Emotiva is so far below them continually try to trash Emotiva threads on here? It is really childish and just makes you seem like an asshole, whether you see it or not. If you don't like the freaking company, IGNORE IT... It's simple. Or if you really have something to contribute then do it, but don't make it into some snide comment like most have who "think" they are helping.

Point is, If you don't like Emotiva, great...move along then and stop wasting everyones time in these threads where people actually want to learn about the "said" product. If you cannot do this then you are simply a troll who needs to grow up.

[shack]

I really don't care if you don't care...so what?

Go whine about something else.

[megasat16]

Well, I don't give a Darn Thing About What Emotiva or anyone Called Reference so I don't want to discuss about it. There is too much abuse to the term Reference for marketing sake.

But I would like to address a few things other members here have discussed.



So...specs = sound? weight = quality? I don't think so.I know I've had a few pcs of crap with great specs and very heavy.Listen then decide whatever you judge,otherwise speculation is useless.

Well, in simple math, the difference in number (and numbering system) has some meaning. So is the SPEC.

The better SPEC does not = better SOUND! It's even better! The better SPEC means better ENGINEERING!

WEIGHT DOES NOT = QUALITY! Once Again, there is even better Equation!

WEIGHT Means Better STABILITY (Due to Greater GRAVITATIONAL FORCE). When the CD spins, the stable platter with more weight has better G and then the flimsy plastics platter with less weight. Thus providing better Laser Tracking and less error in the reading and correcting process.

It's OK you do not Care but most Audiophiles and (Audio) Engineers Do.

But I am not going speculate anything I haven't heard but calling EMOTIVA REFERENCE for their CD Player is only TRUE For EMOTIVA. I won't go any further to interpret what the real meaning of Reference.


also add price = quality....that's the universal measurement in culb polk

If you pay attention, Most Folks here believes Price Doesn't Mean A Darn Thing In Audio. I think a lot of folks here loves good quality product at a great price and I think I can safely say a lot of Polkies would not hesitate to buy Good Condition Used Gears for a lot less to enjoy a good sounding system.

[reeltrouble1]

In addition, the VRMS is kind of low to me. I prefer one with a least 2 VRMS.
• Output voltage: 1V rms


Yikes...this spec is a problem, wonder why they kept it so far beneath the standard, well actually, its a retorical question.

RT1

[heiney9]

Good point. But can i ask if you have demoed any Emotiva product? The problem is most of the club polk members who claim emotiva sucks or is just cheap gear have never even tried it. Then they become all elitist and claim they don't have to try it...

I have demoed & owned enough middle of the road gear to know a product for the "masses" and I don;t need to try every single product to know it's probably not going to float my boat. Sure some middle of the road gear is a little better than other middle of the road gear......but in the end it's still more oriented to be middle of the road budget style equipment.

I did listen to an Emo amp and for all the praise and fan boi'ism that goes on I was completely underwhelmed. I'd like to have another go round to to confirm or deny my initial impressions. I walked away wondering to myself what the hell all the Emo enthusiasts were hearing.

H9

P.s. If you feel my statement is elitist................well that's not my problem.

[Toolfan66]

I don't think i have seen anybody make a post about Emotiva sucking, if not for this place i would not even own one. it was recomended to me here because it was in my budget at the time. Do i like it YES, but this is the first and only amp i have ever had any experiance with. It did bring my A9's to life, I still belive it's better then not having an amp at all. I have a Adcom 585 coming real soon should be here sometime next week, I am looking forward to putting these side by side, and seeing how they compare to each other. I am not doing this to see if emotiva sucks but to see and hear what could be in the future of sound quality for me. for the price of emotiva and someone looking to better their sound stage and on a budget, and not caring about going a step further because eather the wife won't let them or their budget won't allow it, and maybe worried about buying used and having no warranty to back up their investment then i personally think emotiva has it's place. I can see why some of the seinor members here say what they say sometimes about emotiva there are a few people here that put emotiva as that it's the best money can buy, and when somebody here says anything about buying used as you can get a better product in the used market they get shot down as an emo lover here jumps in to prove there point like they have stock in the company or something. I really enjoy my XPA-3 for now but i have come to hate the emotiva name because of all the BS that sourrounds it. for the few people here that support emotiva do you hear anybody here that has moved up the chain shoving the products they have come to love down your throats. "NO you don't" as a matter of fact if i have any question about anything who do you think chimes in to help they do, and i also like to learn about what they have, and reserch it. even though i may never be able to reach their journey or even be able to afford it. the differance between me owning a emo and most of you that do ( notice i said most not all ) is i give them respect as they do me. if I had the funds to do other things I would be moving forward to see what else is out there as well, and try all sorts of things would that make me a "SNOB" as well if i could? I say more power to the guys that can, and more power to you if you like your emotiva. I like mine, but i do want to try new things, its fun. but as far as i am concerned those of you that keep pushing emotiva is that your helping make it look ugly and unapealing.

Sorry if i pissed anybody off with my rant here just had to vent.

Larry.

[Keiko]

Hey guys, how bout some PIE!?!?

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[Toolfan66]

hey guys, how bout some pie!?!?

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i love pie!! ;)

And the PIE you post is always hot and cream filled

[Matt34]

I don't think i have seen anybody make a post about Emotiva sucking, if not for this place i would not even own one. it was recomended to me here because it was in my budget at the time. Do i like it YES, but this is the first and only amp i have ever had any experiance with. It did bring my A9's to life, I still belive it's better then not having an amp at all. I have a Adcom 585 coming real soon should be here sometime next week, I am looking forward to putting these side by side, and seeing how they compare to each other. I am not doing this to see if emotiva sucks but to see and hear what could be in the future of sound quality for me. for the price of emotiva and someone looking to better their sound stage and on a budget, and not caring about going a step further because eather the wife won't let them or their budget won't allow it, and maybe worried about buying used and having no warranty to back up their investment then i personally think emotiva has it's place. I can see why some of the seinor members here say what they say sometimes about emotiva there are a few people here that put emotiva as that it's the best money can buy, and when somebody here says anything about buying used as you can get a better product in the used market they get shot down as an emo lover here jumps in to prove there point like they have stock in the company or something. I really enjoy my XPA-3 for now but i have come to hate the emotiva name because of all the BS that sourrounds it. for the few people here that support emotiva do you hear anybody here that has moved up the chain shoving the products they have come to love down your throats. "NO you don't" as a matter of fact if i have any question about anything who do you think chimes in to help they do, and i also like to learn about what they have, and reserch it. even though i may never be able to reach their journey or even be able to afford it. the differance between me owning a emo and most of you that do ( notice i said most not all ) is i give them respect as they do me. if I had the funds to do other things I would be moving forward to see what else is out there as well, and try all sorts of things would that make me a "SNOB" as well if i could? I say more power to the guys that can, and more power to you if you like your emotiva. I like mine, but i do want to try new things, its fun. but as far as i am concerned those of you that keep pushing emotiva is that your helping make it look ugly and unapealing.

Sorry if i pissed anybody off with my rant here just had to vent.

Larry.

It seems every thread here that has Emotiva in the title gets barraged by the same group of people and ends up being 25 pages long with the same old shit.

It's just like what's his name that got banned from here because every post of his was negative towards the newer Polk products because "they were Chinese POS".

I'm not saying everyone has to agree or like the product, but taking every chance to disparage the company is unproductive.

[Toolfan66]

It seems every thread here that has Emotiva in the title gets barraged by the same group of people and ends up being 25 pages long with the same old shit.

It's just like what's his name that got banned from here because every post of his was negative towards the newer Polk products because "they were Chinese POS".

I'm not saying everyone has to agree or like the product, but taking every chance to disparage the company is unproductive.

I have been here long enough, and before all this came to be, is the guys here have tried to get people to look around and see what your money can buy in the used market as you may find something better for your buck, and look outside the box. but them came a select few (some still here some not) acted like emotiva is the end all be all. so when people come on here and ranting about how emotiva is the shit and above anything else you can buy attitude. well you see what happens, the guys here are very helpful if you allow them to. do you see them shoving tubes down everybodys throats? you see them joking about it that is all. so if you want to stick around and learn something then do so. there is more to audio then emotiva.

I think they have come to hate the name more then anything as well as the people that come here with the emo attitude. emo trolls if you will.

Peace,

Larry.

[Face]

Ok well thanks for contributing to my point.

I really really don't care if you don't like Emotiva. But to make statements like that is just ignorance. The only people that continually argree with you on this matter is the same group of goons that always back each other up. Do you not realize this? You can go ahead and throw some witty remarks my way, im sure you or someone else will, but that does not take away from the fact that some of you guys are blinded with stubborn ignorance. You think your being wise and all knowning...call it what you want but many people, NOT just me see it as elitist ignorance.

And why does this same group of people who think Emotiva is so far below them continually try to trash Emotiva threads on here? It is really childish and just makes you seem like an asshole, whether you see it or not. If you don't like the freaking company, IGNORE IT... It's simple. Or if you really have something to contribute then do it, but don't make it into some snide comment like most have who "think" they are helping.

Point is, If you don't like Emotiva, great...move along then and stop wasting everyones time in these threads where people actually want to learn about the "said" product. If you cannot do this then you are simply a troll who needs to grow up.
If you haven't noticed, your drawn out, whiny posts aren't helping things either.

[WilliamM2]

i love pie!! ;)

And the PIE you post is always hot and cream filled

Already cream filled? No thanks.

[Toolfan66]

Already cream filled? No thanks.

HA HA:D That does sound bad... You have the visual in my head now, and it is not good.

[Keiko]

Already cream filled? No thanks.
Willy doesn't like pie. Cool! More for me. :rolleyes:

[bigred7078]

P.s. If you feel my statement is elitist................well that's not my problem.


The statements you just made are not. Many other statements you have made are however ;)

[bigred7078]

.....

[bigred7078]

If you haven't noticed, your drawn out, whiny posts aren't helping things either.

And if you haven't noticed its you and the same idiots "group hugging" with your same close minded thoughts.

[Keiko]

again its the same assholes who post and post and post in the threads of product they don't like...
You know what...You like your Emo then gfy. You're the one that's going on and on here. STFU already. Get over yourself. Geez!

[bigred7078]

You know what...You like your Emo then gfy. You're the one that's going on and on here. STFU already. Get over yourself. Geez!

like i said same assholes trolling in the emo threads like always..yamn


get over myself in what way? Because i think its uncalled for that the same people to go on and on? pleeeeeease. You're just angry because im calling you out unlike those afraid to. I call it like it is.

[Keiko]

like i said same assholes trolling in the emo threads like always..yamn
I agree. A bigred asshole troll. I'm putting it on ignore now.

Aloha

[bigred7078]

I agree. A bigred asshole troll. I'm putting it on ignore now.

Aloha

riiiight. You're a smart one aren't you.

Please put me on ignore, why would i care????seriously lol.

[Early B.]

This thread reads like something you'd find on the AVS Forum. That's why I don't go there.

[cnh]

This thread reads like something you'd find on the AVS Forum. That's why I don't go there.

Amen to that!

cnh

[tonyb]

Closed minded??? Man,just look at the gear list for most members here.Hardly a consortium of middle of the road,closed minded gear.Hell,alot of us don't even have polk speakers in the main rig.

[broncsrule21@]

This thread reads like something you'd find on the AVS Forum. That's why I don't go there.

Anytime anyone mentions Emotiva, the bashers come out and send these threads down the toilet. Sad....

[bigred7078]

Anytime anyone mentions Emotiva, the bashers come out and send these threads down the toilet. Sad....

Exactly. I keep telling them to just ignore the threads but they can't seem to do that.

[Face]

Exactly. I keep telling them to just ignore the threads but they can't seem to do that.
You really should take your own advice.

[bigred7078]

You really should take your own advice.

Yeah except i like to talk friendly about Emotiva product and not bash it ;)


now off with you ::boot to the ass::

[Poee7R]

Yeah except i like to talk friendly about Emotiva product and not bash it ;)


now off with you ::boot to the ass::

So your opinion is the only one that counts?

Gotcha


Dave

[Toolfan66]

Yeah except i like to talk friendly about Emotiva product and not bash it ;)


now off with you ::boot to the ass::

Dude since 11:04 am all you have done is to keep the fire going, don't you have better things to do? I mean "really" enough all ready. where is it in your 9 or so post's that you have talked frendly about emotiva? or better yet anything "friendly" at all.

Let it go. If you can't, move over to the emotiva lounge.

It's as if you keep coming on here just to see if Face has had something else to say so you can have the last word in.

Take a chill pill, I prefer Vicodin my self.

Larry.

[Keiko]

Dude since 11:04 am all you have done is to keep the fire going, don't you have better things to do? I mean "really" enough all ready. where is it in your 9 or so post's that you have talked frendly about emotiva? or better yet anything "friendly" at all.

Let it go. If you can't, move over to the emotiva lounge.

It's as if you keep coming on here just to see if Face has had something else to say so you can have the last word in.

Take a chill pill, I prefer Vicodin my self.

Larry.

I say shave his bigred hairy ass, give him an enema and a plastic diaper. Then send him off for a frontal lobotomy.

Just put the toad on ignore.

[bigred7078]

So your opinion is the only one that counts?

Gotcha


Dave

no not at all. I just simply asked the "usuals" to stop.

[bigred7078]

Dude since 11:04 am all you have done is to keep the fire going, don't you have better things to do? I mean "really" enough all ready. where is it in your 9 or so post's that you have talked frendly about emotiva? or better yet anything "friendly" at all.

Let it go. If you can't, move over to the emotiva lounge.

It's as if you keep coming on here just to see if Face has had something else to say so you can have the last word in.

Take a chill pill, I prefer Vicodin my self.

Larry.



When have you ever seen a reasonable coversation about Emotiva on this forum? Seriously? No you don't see it anymore because the "usuals" like to get in on the action. I'm a pretty friendly guy, check all the other forums. I like this forum alot, but the continuous Emotiva lynchings is getting old.

[Matt34]

This thread reads like something you'd find on the AVS Forum. That's why I don't go there.

I've seen it's become quite the norm here as well. There is a certain group of people that can't let a Emotiva thread be and yet want to blame the downward spiral on the "fanboys". There is equal blame to go around to both sides as far as I see it.

[heiney9]

no not at all. I just simply asked the "usuals" to stop.

Stop what? Please stop asking people to stop. See how ridiculous that sounds

[Early B.]

There's a guy on the Emo Forum who compared a Raysonic CD-128 that he previously owned to the Emotiva ERC-1. It was a fairly lengthy review, but here's the bottom line:

"To wrap up, the Emotiva at less than 1/4 the price of the Raysonic CD-128 outperforms, out handles, and simply outshines the tube player. No contest, the ERC-1 is the one I would choose."

[Hilbert]

Thread below has some nice pics --- inside and out. If anyone's interested.

http://emotivalounge.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=mediareviews&action=display&thread=5235

[jinjuku]

It seems every thread here that has Emotiva in the title gets barraged by the same group of people and ends up being 25 pages long with the same old shit.

It's just like what's his name that got banned from here because every post of his was negative towards the newer Polk products because "they were Chinese POS".

I'm not saying everyone has to agree or like the product, but taking every chance to disparage the company is unproductive.

LOL, so true. What I am really perplexed by, out of all the forums I participate in, is that this sort of Emo thread crapping only goes on here.

Now I don't hit all the possible forums so there could be another audio forum with just as much thread crapping going on when Emo gets mentioned. I am not sure what the allure of a high end CDP is. I rip all my stuff loss less and leave it at that. The information on a CD is 1' and 0's. As long as it is read correctly I really don't care.

I do have another question: Why aren't there $6500 reference blu-ray players? When I get FIOS to the house, will I need a reference level router/firewall?:D

[jinjuku]

riiiight. You're a smart one aren't you.

Please put me on ignore, why would i care????seriously lol.

Dude, your lucky. I don't think I am on his ignore list yet:)

[GV#27]

Thread below has some nice pics --- inside and out. If anyone's interested.

http://emotivalounge.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=mediareviews&action=display&thread=5235
Thanks for posting the pics.Parts quality looks to be reasonably good and it appears the analog output is via a discrete op amp not the typical IC.It looks to be preceeded by a BurrBrown IC opamp, it's probable function being that of the I/V converter.Aswell they did a nice clean job of the layout on the analog stages PC board.Another nice touch the analog board is placed on the opposite side of the chassis from the transformer which should help the signal to noise performance.



btw.Im not a fanboy just commenting on what I see.

[dane_peterson]

Just read the first page... I liked the comparison to "reference" specs. Here's my $.02...

What other players measure up to this one from a "specs" standpoint in the <$500 pricerange (New)? My guess would be very few. Sure, it's not a reference Redbook player, but it does the job rather well, and as GV pointed out, is equipped nicely.

I owned an Emotiva theater amp a couple years ago and was pleased. Didn't perform like my Sunfire did, but it still did a heckuva lot better than my AVR at the time (Denon 2807)

In the end, Emotiva has clinched a key market. A market that no other manufacturers are going after. Though their terminology may be a bit exaggerated, they still have a great dollar/performance ratio.

If nothing else, their modern looks and reasonable pricepoints may bring more young and coming audio fans aboard. It's sure better than purchasing a HTIB!

[cnh]

I don't know about Emotivas but I own a Denon AVR 2807 and well, that's not a fair comparison. The Denon is 110/channel....but in the surround mode probably a lot 'less'. Any reasonable power amp will sound a bit better even with the Denon as the pre-amp?

Few AVRs can compete with separates. Sunfire....well, you have your Carver fans and detractors, your Pass fans detractors, your Levenson fans and....perhaps one of Emos problems is that there is NO big NAME designer engineer!

I'm not inferring anything here but just suggesting....a factor...that might be involved--that we haven't yet discussed here!

cnh

[dane_peterson]

Well that's my point, really. In it's day the 2807 was what... $1100? Perhaps more? You can assemble an Emotiva pre and amp for that much, and (I hope we agree that) you'd have much better results than an AVR on its own.

So, like I said, great dollar/performance ratio. But back to the CD player... :)

[apphd]

Since this thread will not die I guess I'll ask this again, as I'm really trying to get my arms around this and understand/educate myself a little more. I asked this on page 2 here we are on page 5 and except for some posts by megga, heiney and a few others I have learned very little. I did find these:
http://www.axiomaudio.com/reference.html

http://www.build-a-recording-studio.com/studio-monitors.html

I am still trying to determine what "reference" specs are, and who enforces them.
Also without starting more *&it would like to ask this:
I doubt you would find anyone that would not say the Polk SDS SRS are GREAT speakers. Maybe some that they are not their cup of tea, but they could not say anything bad about them. But so far my understanding of "reference" indicates it was designed for pro studio mixing use. That being said, what makes them Signature Reference Series?
I'm trying to get my learn on here, so maybe this should be in its own thread to be taken seriously, I don't know, if this is wrong to piggyback it on to this let me know.


I think that is the biggest problem. There is "Reference" and "reference quality". Both terms I think are different and used very loosely by many. There are numerous businesses that do custom installs that have the word "Reference" somewhere in their business name. It is used often in product names such as Monster Reference Power Center and Monster Interlink Reference - Reference Quality Audio Interconnect. I have no idea if these are truly "Reference" or if there is even a standard (esp. for the power center) that would quantify what "reference" is for these.

AES (Audio Engineering Society) I believe sets the standard for what meets the Professional sound recording and associated equipment.
What I am not sure of is if the word "reference" and specs./standards of AES are licensed like THX for example. I'm also not sure if these standards apply or were intended to apply to the commercial home market.

The only place I have found these on line is here:
http://www.aes.org/publications/standards/ which has them to purchase. Complete set of all standards = $500 for non AES members, or a document that only contains the recommended practice for describing and specifying loudspeaker components used in professional audio and sound-reinforcement systems. = $30.

I'm not that interested as to what actually defines "reference", as my budget will never allow "reference" rated gear to buy any of these documents.

When it comes to Emo I think they offer good product at a reasonable price and that's it. But have found themselves (maybe engineered by them or not) in a love em or hate em status on the internet which I think is over rated on both sides. (my $.02)

Since I am still on the up hill side of the learning curve I would appreciate corrections to my assumptions are on "reference"
Thanks

[heiney9]

Don't get yourself all messed up with specs or adjectives. They are a good guide, but in the end will not always tell you how something sounds. As far as the "adjectives" used to describe products...............always take those with a gain of salt. I rarely believe in marketing hype and it seems the gear I like most is the gear that doesn;t need flashing neon signs with big adjectives. The gears performance speaks for itself.

I'm sure at Emo's price point there are better sounding players and worse sounding players. The most annoying thing to me with Emo is all the self generated hype.......it gets old and it's very suspect. They are trying WAAAAYYYYYYY too hard. It's probably good middle road gear where there are hundreds of other choices and I'm sure they are better than some and others are better than Emo within the same arena of like priced and specific built gear.

If Emo floats your boat both in looks and performance.............go for it. I get tired of many people saying, hinting, alluding to the fact that's it's the 2nd coming of audio or that it can compete with much better gear.............it can't, it shouldn't and it certainly has it's place amongst the hundred or so lower/middle line gear. This type of gear is nothing new or out of the ordinary.....add it to a long list of choices. Get your ears on as much different gear as possible, occasionally glance at a spec sheet and pick the one that sounds good to YOU, in YOUR rig, in YOUR room, with YOUR music.

H9

[bigred7078]

Don't get yourself all messed up with specs or adjectives. They are a good guide, but in the end will not always tell you how something sounds. As far as the "adjectives" used to describe products...............always take those with a gain of salt. I rarely believe in marketing hype and it seems the gear I like most is the gear that doesn;t need flashing neon signs with big adjectives. The gears performance speaks for itself.

I'm sure at Emo's price point there are better sounding players and worse sounding players. The most annoying thing to me with Emo is all the self generated hype.......it gets old and it's very suspect. They are trying WAAAAYYYYYYY too hard. It's probably good middle road gear where there are hundreds of other choices and I'm sure they are better than some and others are better than Emo within the same arena of like priced and specific built gear.

If Emo floats your boat both in looks and performance.............go for it. I get tired of many people saying, hinting, alluding to the fact that's it's the 2nd coming of audio or that it can compete with much better gear.............it can't, it shouldn't and it certainly has it's place amongst the hundred or so lower/middle line gear. This type of gear is nothing new or out of the ordinary.....add it to a long list of choices. Get your ears on as much different gear as possible, occasionally glance at a spec sheet and pick the one that sounds good to YOU, in YOUR rig, in YOUR room, with YOUR music.

H9


bow down to the wise audio god everyone

[heiney9]

A little off subject. There is a local Polkie that really likes his Emo gear and I respect that. He found what floats his boat and I'm happy he enjoys his system. That's what this hobby is all about. The other thing I respect about him vs. some of the others in the Emo camp is he isn't constantly trying to prove or convince that it's more than what it is. We've discussed Emo before........I've listened to his amp........we discussed more and in the end he likes what he likes and I like what I like.

H9

[heiney9]

bow down to the wise audio god everyone

You can curtsey instead of bowing BigRed ;)

[heiney9]

bow down to the wise audio god everyone

This is EXACTLY the kind of comment I was eluding to in post #137 and why BigRed will never get any respect.

[Bass_Pedal]

There's a guy on the Emo Forum who compared a Raysonic CD-128 that he previously owned to the Emotiva ERC-1. It was a fairly lengthy review, but here's the bottom line:

"To wrap up, the Emotiva at less than 1/4 the price of the Raysonic CD-128 outperforms, out handles, and simply outshines the tube player. No contest, the ERC-1 is the one I would choose."

That's very high praise indeed! As an owner of the CD128, I can say if the player is as good as is reported, it's got to be one hell of a CDP. I don't want to say that it isn't as I have no experience with it. By way of personal comparison, the Raysonic outclassed my old Cambridge 640cv2 in every possible category, not a fair comparison IMO. I really can't fathom how they can pull off developing a player that could perform that well for so little. More investigation is required...

[jinjuku]

If Emo floats your boat both in looks and performance.............go for it. I get tired of many people saying, hinting, alluding to the fact that's it's the 2nd coming of audio or that it can compete with much better gear.............it can't, it shouldn't and it certainly has it's place amongst the hundred or so lower/middle line gear. This type of gear is nothing new or out of the ordinary.....add it to a long list of choices. Get your ears on as much different gear as possible, occasionally glance at a spec sheet and pick the one that sounds good to YOU, in YOUR rig, in YOUR room, with YOUR music.

H9

That is where people become wary of you and the other 'regulars'. I had a chance to listen to the XPA3 compared to a more expensive NAD 272 (based on a per watt/per channel basis) and came away impressed. Now I just sit back and wait for the regulars to disparage NAD:rolleyes:

BTW I personally think NAD doesn't play 2nd fiddle to ROTEL/ATI/Adcom/B&K...

[cnh]

Personally I don't think NAD is what it used to be. But as I've said above I haven't heard an Emo so I can't make a comment on this.

cnh

[heiney9]

That is where people become wary of you and the other 'regulars'. I had a chance to listen to the XPA3 compared to a more expensive NAD 272 (based on a per watt/per channel basis) and came away impressed. Now I just sit back and wait for the regulars to disparage NAD:rolleyes:

BTW I personally think NAD doesn't play 2nd fiddle to ROTEL/ATI/Adcom/B&K...

Well, IMO I like NAD but it's not what I consider "much better gear" when I made my statement. So it comes down to reading into what everyone writes and then applying what they say to your opinions and ideas of what they actually mean.

I don't think NAD plays 2nd fiddle to any of the like priced gear you mention either, but it is better than some similar priced gear and in some cases higher priced gear. Not sure I could say the same for Emo.............but again as I've always stated audio is a journey and we are all in different places. I have no use for Emo gear as I've been there done that and I've moved on.

As far as the guy with the Raysonic. I'd like to read a very detailed review from him because his general statements mean nothing. I also take those kinds of reviews with a grain of salt. If someone has a link to the review and it actually has some substance and he actually has a lot of experience with a lot of different higher end gear he'd certainly gain some credibility.

H9

[heiney9]

The fact is there are a plethora of cdp's priced at the $400 mark so there is stiff competition and I'm sure you can find better and worse for your money. Personally I'd spend a little more and get a Bada.

Many people here rave about the Cambridge units...........they never did much for me. Sort of sterile, analytical and a little to dry for my tastes.

[heiney9]

That is where people become wary of you and the other 'regulars'. I had a chance to listen to the XPA3 compared to a more expensive NAD 272 (based on a per watt/per channel basis) and came away impressed. Now I just sit back and wait for the regulars to disparage NAD:rolleyes:

BTW I personally think NAD doesn't play 2nd fiddle to ROTEL/ATI/Adcom/B&K...

So I'm curious why is your opinion considered any more valuable than my opinion or anyone elses for that matter. Why shouldn't be people be wary of you? So you came away impressed......I didn;t when I heard Emo so agree to disagree.

[Bass_Pedal]

Here is the user comment from the Emo Lounge regarding the Raysonic CDP:

I'll give it a shot.

First, I guess the rest of the system should be described for the baseline. The ERC-1 is connected to a Consonance Cyber222 tube pre-amp with Zu Gede ICs. The amplification is done by my Denon avr3806 and the sound emenates from Zu Druids, 101db high efficiency widebanders with supertweeters above 12khz.

A major difference is when the Raysonic was in the system the amps were a pair of Consonance Cyber845 SET tube monoblocks. Totally different, so that has to accounted for. In time, when funds permit, the ERC-1 will also have 845s downstream.

So, the Raysonic hummed. Not much, but audible to me, and annoying. The ERC-1 is silent. Good deal.

The Raysonic was '' softer '', by which I mean not as detailed. It rolled off the extreme highs and to a lesser extent, the lows. This isn't really an undesirable effect, it's just different, still enjoyable. As many others have described, the ERC-1 extracts much more information from the cd and it's played through the speakers. Some say all, but I'm not sure that's true, so I say more. Much more. This makes the tunes more detailed, you can hear MORE of everything. Especially notable is the crash or shhhsing of cymbals, much more in your face in a good way.

I'd say both players are superb in the midrange, it's both of their strengths, moreso with the Raysonic, because the ERC-1 is also strong in the upper and lower octaves, by a fair margin. If that makes sense.

Looks are subjective, but the Raysonic looks very high tech with it's rounded corners and round top loader mechanism with the tube mounts and blue lit controls on top. It's a pretty piece. The ERC-1 also has a nice blue light show and the Emo look with the silver-ish side pieces. Nice.

Ergonomically, the ERC-1 wins hands down. A top loader is limited as to placement, it has to go on top of the rack. It drove me crazy when one of the dingbats would be changing a cd and I'd hear a bang from the top or disk holder. Tough on the nerves. The ERC-1 can be placed anywhere and the silky smoove loading mechanism is perfect. I'd take it anyday over any top loader!

To wrap up, the Emotiva at less than 1/4 the price of the Raysonic CD-128 outperforms, out handles, and simply outshines the tube player. No contest, the ERC-1 is the one I would choose.

Hope that's satisfactory, first time trying this.
« Last Edit: May 30, 2009, 4:48pm by artiek »

Take from that what you will...

[heiney9]

Thanks BP....that certainly gives a much better overview than the general statements originally posted. I'm happy for the original poster he found something he prefers.

One huge gripe is he didn't even use the same gear for both comparison's. Highly flawed IMO.

[cnh]

The fact is there are a plethora of cdp's priced at the $400 mark so there is stiff competition and I'm sure you can find better and worse for your money. Personally I'd spend a little more and get a Bada.

Many people here rave about the Cambridge units...........they never did much for me. Sort of sterile, analytical and a little to dry for my tastes.

This is off the Emo topic. But I have to agree about Cambridge units. I have had the exact experience you describe with their sound...it just doesn't do it for me. Not much better than my much cheaper Yamaha Universal player..which certainly can sound quite harsh on some material....but I live with it until I can upgrade...use the Burr Brown DACs in my receiver...which help a little...with that...

cnh

[F1nut]

A major difference is when the Raysonic was in the system the amps were a pair of Consonance Cyber845 SET tube monoblocks. Totally different, so that has to accounted for. In time, when funds permit, the ERC-1 will also have 845s downstream.


Apples and oranges making the results basically worthless.

[Bass_Pedal]

That was my observation as well...

[apphd]

heiney, thanks for your input.


bow down to the wise audio god everyone

bigred, most times I feel your comments try to contribute and stay on topic, and I even agree with some, but this one I think just wasn't called for.

Yes marketing is, well just that. But is "reference" a worthless term now or is there a true spec that should be met, even if it is not enforced?

[sucks2beme]

After a couple of years over at head fi, one thing I have found out is
often a new product is called "giant killer" and heaped with praise.
A couple of months later, it fades. Why? The term they use over there
is FOTM(flavor of the month). There's a ton of audio virgins out there
that here a decent piece of gear and go gaga over it. It might be
a pretty good bang for the buck buy, but until someone more experienced
gets one, It's all a jab in the dark. IT took a while for me to figure out
who knew what they were doing over there. 80% of the place is
unreliable at best. I would trust a CP review long before a lot of other
boards. Jinjuku, we are wary of many new products. Both for sound
and product dependability. If that makes us bad people, so be it.
But most of the old timers here have led me to a much better system
than if I went it alone. That's good enough for me.

[F1nut]

often a new product is called "giant killer" and heaped with praise.
A couple of months later, it fades. Why? The term they use over there
is FOTM(flavor of the month). There's a ton of audio virgins out there
that here a decent piece of gear and go gaga over it.

Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner.

Do you like cookies or pie?

[heiney9]

Nice post sucks2beme.............anyone remember the Toshiba 5960's and the very first Oppo that came out. Hifi virgins were giddy with glee......all way over hyped and simply mediocre in the end.

H9

P.s. there's nothing wrong with being middle of the road. But, in the end it is what it is.

[F1nut]

Another over hyped product was the DK integrated amp. You can't give them away now.

[Ricardo]

Apples and oranges making the results basically worthless.


True. The funny thing is that now I am sure the members of the EMU forum are saying "I told you so" based on that review. How naive can they be?

[jinjuku]

So I'm curious why is your opinion considered any more valuable than my opinion or anyone elses for that matter. Why shouldn't be people be wary of you? So you came away impressed......I didn;t when I heard Emo so agree to disagree.

You would have to ask people that value my opinion, same as they would need to ask people who value yours.

Difference here is I am not the one that made blanket statement about a manufacturer of gear:"tired of many people saying, hinting, alluding to the fact that it's the 2nd coming of audio or that it can compete with much better gear.............it can't"

But if I were to answer the question you posed however, I would say that since I don't make overly broad negative characterizations about a manufacturer vs an individual product. That it lends some form of credence to what I have to say.

One thing I think is safe to say in this particular segment is that most manufacturers (Rotel/ATI/Adcom/Emo/B&K/NAD/ etc...) make good product. That being said every manufacturer will have it's problem child. Use your ears.

[jinjuku]

Here is the user comment from the Emo Lounge regarding the Raysonic CDP:

[COLOR="Blue"][I]I'll give it a shot.

First, I guess the rest of the system should be described for the baseline. The ERC-1 is connected to a Consonance Cyber222 tube pre-amp with Zu Gede ICs. The amplification is done by my Denon avr3806 and the sound emenates from Zu Druids, 101db high efficiency widebanders with supertweeters above 12khz.

A major difference is when the Raysonic was in the system the amps were a pair of Consonance Cyber845 SET tube monoblocks. Totally different, so that has to accounted for. In time, when funds permit, the ERC-1 will also have 845s downstream.


If I am reading that right, totally different setups. Then the 'comparison' is worthless.

[LessisNevermore]

A little off subject. There is a local Polkie that really likes his Emo gear and I respect that. He found what floats his boat and I'm happy he enjoys his system. That's what this hobby is all about. The other thing I respect about him vs. some of the others in the Emo camp is he isn't constantly trying to prove or convince that it's more than what it is. We've discussed Emo before........I've listened to his amp........we discussed more and in the end he likes what he likes and I like what I like.

H9

When you hear it paired with a pre that plays well with the amp, your opinion of it will improve.(though I doubt it will completely change, because NP had nothing to do with it:p:D) To my ears, the phase was clearly being inverted, so of course it sounded less than impressive.

I'll bring it to the next gathering, along with a pre that plays well with it. Synergy and all that, right?:cool:

[jinjuku]

Jinjuku, we are wary of many new products. Both for sound and product dependability. If that makes us bad people, so be it.
But most of the old timers here have led me to a much better system
than if I went it alone. That's good enough for me.

My first setup was a Crown DC300A/DC150/IC150 and a pair of really great sounding AR's. That was in 87 (still in HS).

I found my system through a buddy that owned an electronics repair shop (no he wasn't selling the Crown, just his recommendation). I would bug the piss out Denny:) (Sorry dude). Emo has been around long enough (in my mind) to establish a good reputation and already starting on another generation of product. There are simply too many message boards with too many overly positive owners of Emo gear. I can't discount Emotiva especially in light of that and having had the chance to play with what many would consider a mainstay/representative offering of their lineup.

Why threads like this only seems to go on at Polk Forums, who can say. I don't think you guys are any smarter or dumber than the guys on any of the other boards.

[megasat16]

A little off subject. There is a local Polkie that really likes his Emo gear and I respect that. He found what floats his boat and I'm happy he enjoys his system. That's what this hobby is all about. The other thing I respect about him vs. some of the others in the Emo camp is he isn't constantly trying to prove or convince that it's more than what it is. We've discussed Emo before........I've listened to his amp........we discussed more and in the end he likes what he likes and I like what I like.

H9

Great Post H9! You hit the nail on the head and it's all that's really matter but some EMO fan boys seem to take a bit too serious about EMO reference quality. Since I've read a whole bunch of the term Reference on all XPA series amps on EMO website long ago, I no longer pay attention to what EMO called their products Reference but some EMO lovers can't let it go.

EMO offers reasonable quality product at Bang for the Buck and take it as it is.

To die hard EMO lovers, there is a whole different world out there which is above and beyond what EMO can offer so indulge yourself in different gears.....:) Listen to others' stuff, compare to your EMO stuff, and then decide what's best for you. If you like EMO, it's awesome. But just give other products a chance (by listening and comparing) just as much as you want EMO to be given a chance....:)

[jinjuku]

Nice post sucks2beme.............anyone remember the Toshiba 5960's and the very first Oppo that came out. Hifi virgins were giddy with glee......all way over hyped and simply mediocre in the end.

H9

P.s. there's nothing wrong with being middle of the road. But, in the end it is what it is.

Any manufacturer can have a bad/problematic product. Look at the 5 channel Monster amps. I have heard some stories about channels crapping out on them. When people get the replacement the put it up on eBay and sell it as NIB just to get away from it.

Oppo has a great reputation now... :confused::rolleyes:

[megasat16]

Oppo has a great reputation now... :confused::rolleyes:

The problem lies with the people who thinks highly of the products these companies offer and consider them in the same league as other better Engineered (and more expensive) products.

Oppo, EMO, or any Interent Direct companies have both sides of the good and the bad.

[heiney9]

Any manufacturer can have a bad/problematic product. Look at the 5 channel Monster amps. I have heard some stories about channels crapping out on them. When people get the replacement the put it up on eBay and sell it as NIB just to get away from it.

Oppo has a great reputation now... :confused::rolleyes:

I wasn't talking about these products reliability; I was talking about how they were supposed to giant killers in the sound department. They all came with the exact type/style of hype from the same types of people as Emo is now. They weren't and aren't giant killers even for a deaf person. I even recently revisited a "modded" Tosh 5960 and it still sounded like an $80 dvd player. Yet a few years ago these were going to put an end to hi end cd player sales................becuase they were that good sounding :rolleyes:


Duell, I look forward to another Emo listening session. If the next RAS is at my brothers we'll have plenty of room and gear to mess with. He's having issues with one of the BAT amps after an output tube blew, so I'm not sure when/if it will be at his new house or not. Still doesn't have his newly aquired main rig dialed in yet.

H9

[NJPOLKER]

Are Emotiva products like no-frills beer? Yeah I am old enough to remember that beer.
I prefer pie of course.

[jinjuku]

I wasn't talking about these products reliability; I was talking about how they were supposed to giant killers in the sound department.

This is the first that I heard that people were calling Emo and Oppo equipment giant killers.

[jinjuku]

The problem lies with the people who thinks highly of the products these companies offer and consider them in the same league as other better Engineered (and more expensive) products.

Oppo, EMO, or any Interent Direct companies have both sides of the good and the bad.

Your assuming that those products can not compete... Others would assume differently. To each their own.

The Oppo BDP-83 thread (http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80248&page=6) here seems to have some positives to it...

[heiney9]

This is the first that I heard that people were calling Emo and Oppo equipment giant killers.

Since your reading comprehension lacks a little bit the "They" I was speaking of was Oppo and the Toshiba 5960.

No one has come right out and stated Emo gear is a giant killer, but they way people vigorously defend it's existence and constanly try to compare it to higher end gear leads a reasonable person to deduce that's what being said.

Perhaps not you specifically, but certainly some others here and on the Emo boards.

My stance has always been that there is a lot better out there and while Emo fits the bill for some; some of us have moved on in our journey and we all want different things out of our rig.

H9

[heiney9]

I'm outta this one...........I agree to disagree.

[jinjuku]

Since your reading comprehension lacks a little bit the "They" I was speaking of was Oppo and the Toshiba 5960.

No one has come right out and stated Emo gear is a giant killer, but they way people vigorously defend it's existence and constanly try to compare it to higher end gear leads a reasonable person to deduce that's what being said.

Perhaps not you specifically, but certainly some others here and on the Emo boards.

My stance has always been that there is a lot better out there and while Emo fits the bill for some; some of us have moved on in our journey and we all want different things out of our rig.

H9

Jeez how could I have ever come to that conclusion based on your statement of:rolleyes::

"I wasn't talking about these products reliability; I was talking about how they were supposed to giant killers in the sound department. They all came with the exact type/style of hype from the same types of people as Emo is now.

Are you always this arrogant? (rhetorical question).

[megasat16]

Your assuming that those products can not compete... Others would assume differently. To each their own.

The Oppo BDP-83 thread (http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80248&page=6) here seems to have some positives to it...

I am not assuming anything! I meant what I meant. You steer it to what you wanted to say. So, I'll say it again.

The problem lies with the people who thinks very highly of the EMO or OPPO gears and considered them the same league as other better Engineered Products.

That's why some other folks will never agree.

Regardless, most people who think outside the box will understand. I would not put Oppo in the same league with EMO since their marketing strategy is very different and I have not heard Oppo claims they make Reference BluRay or DVD players.

I don't own EMO or OPPO products but for the reason that Oppo didn't say they don't make Reference Players, for only that reason I have more respect for Oppo than EMO.

Any Internet Direct or B&M companies will have the good and the bad from both sides of the story. Take it with a grain of salt if there is something you don't like what others said about your highly praised products.

[olilugo]

I would say this, and I don't really care what brand is in front of the box.

I am NOT looking for the best $400.00 CD player ever built.

I am looking for a CD player that cost $400.00 that performs like a $1500-$2000 CD player.
If I can find it then I have a winner in my hands.

Many would say apples and oranges, but I disagree, the opportunity to find a new brand component that can perform at the same level of a high-end brand component is very possible especially in the electronic market.

[heiney9]

Nice tag JuJu grow the f*ck up!!! That's one of the many many reason you'll never have any credibility here.

You all it arrogance......I call it experience.

[jinjuku]

Nice tag JuJu grow the f*ck up!!! That's one of the many many reason you'll never have any credibility here.

You all it arrogance......I call it experience.

Trust me heiney9, from what I have seen here I really am not worried about any credibility issues among your 'gang'.

So you still think that if you need an EQ you really just need better gear instead? And you have the gall want to talk about 'credibility'. The hypocrisy of it all.

I am simply here to protect the audio virgins from the likes of you.

[jinjuku]

I am not assuming anything! I meant what I meant. You steer it to what you wanted to say. So, I'll say it again.

The problem lies with the people who thinks very highly of the EMO or OPPO gears and considered them the same league as other better Engineered Products.

That's why some other folks will never agree.

Take it with a grain of salt if there is something you don't like what others said about your highly praised products.

Lets invert your statement to this: The problem lies with owners of highly expensive gear thinking that nothing lower in cost segment could ever operate in the same sphere of performance.

Saying it one way paints a group of people as 'idiots', the other way paints a group of people as 'snobs'.

BTW, I haven't praised anything (Emo or otherwise).

[jinjuku]

I would say this, and I don't really care what brand is in front of the box.

I am NOT looking for the best $400.00 CD player ever built.

I am looking for a CD player that cost $400.00 that performs like a $1500-$2000 CD player.
If I can find it then I have a winner in my hands.

Many would say apples and oranges, but I disagree, the opportunity to find a new brand component that can perform at the same level of a high-end brand component is very possible especially in the electronic market.

But according (http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1082984&postcount=171) to megasat16 it's impossible to do what you wish for.

[treitz3]

So you still think that if you need an EQ you really just need better gear instead?I don't know about him but I can damn well agree to that.


I am simply here to protect the audio virgins from the likes of you.Spare us, please.

[jinjuku]

I don't know about him but I can damn well agree to that.

Spare us, please.

Your are a straight up idiot if you think you simply need to buy better equipment rather than a band or two of EQ for room conditions. This is why certain polksters are universally reviled by every other audio community.

[shack]

The IL just gets longer and longer....

[treitz3]

Your are a straight up idiot if you think you simply need to buy better equipment rather than a band or two of EQ for room conditions. This is why certain polksters are universally reviled by every other audio community.BLo'Me. I think we are even now. You can also take your attitude and shove it where the sun don't shine Scooter.

Look, I offered my opinion based upon decades of experience. I used to have EQ's, sometimes 2 in the same system. They screw up the sound stage and imaging, add noise and change the phasing. Why would I want to add this when I can just go out and purchase a better product that will get the job done correctly?

EQ's are a damn crutch.

[Face]

Your are a straight up idiot if you think you simply need to buy better equipment rather than a band or two of EQ for room conditions. This is why certain polksters are universally reviled by every other audio community.
That's right, we're the only online community who says such things. :rolleyes:

Go over to Audiogon's message board and ask about EQ's, I'm sure they'll be much more accommodating.


If you need to correct room deficiencies, why not do it the right way: http://www.gikacoustics.com/

[jinjuku]

BLo'Me. I think we are even now. You can also take your attitude and shove it where the sun don't shine Scooter.

Look, I offered my opinion based upon decades of experience. I used to have EQ's, sometimes 2 in the same system. They screw up the sound stage and imaging, add noise and change the phasing. Why would I want to add this when I can just go out and purchase a better product that will get the job done correctly?

EQ's are a damn crutch.

Because I have never seen a speaker or an amp that magically fixes ROOM RESPONSE you moron.

[megasat16]

Lets invert your statement to this: The problem lies with owners of highly expensive gear thinking that nothing lower in cost segment could ever operate in the same sphere of performance.

Saying it one way paints a group of people as 'idiots', the other way paints a group of people as 'snobs'.

BTW, I haven't praised anything (Emo or otherwise).

You can reverse my statement and I agree that some of the higher end audio brand names have products (mostly in the budget range) that are not a lot better than some $100 CD player or DVD player. I guess it's no contest if I say most people here knew about it and I've even seen some products from the Big Name makers are shot down here in CP.

The difference is that there is no lover boy or Fan Boy of such products are persistence as EMO lovers or Fan Boys to defend the products they own. Most of them will simply accepts the Fact and Move on to the higher end or the lower end which is cheaper and servers the purpose for them.


I would say this, and I don't really care what brand is in front of the box.

I am NOT looking for the best $400.00 CD player ever built.

I am looking for a CD player that cost $400.00 that performs like a $1500-$2000 CD player.
If I can find it then I have a winner in my hands.

Many would say apples and oranges, but I disagree, the opportunity to find a new brand component that can perform at the same level of a high-end brand component is very possible especially in the electronic market.

I am sure you'll find a lot of $400 player and some multi-player does excellent job as $1500-$2000 players. It's exactly what people wanted. Better Bangs for the Bucks and no Hypes!

In reality, I found there are 1500-2000 range products that is very well Engineered and sounds excellent and compete with $10K products. So is the $400-$500 products which can compete $1500-$2000 range products.


But according (http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1082984&postcount=171) to megasat16 it's impossible to do what you wish for.

Thanks but no Thanks Jinjuku! I am sure he has seen and read my post since mine is #171 and his post is next (#172).

[jinjuku]

That's right, we're the only online community who says such things. :rolleyes:

Go over to Audiogon's message board and ask about EQ's, I'm sure they'll be much more accommodating.


If you need to correct room deficiencies, why not do it the right way: http://www.gikacoustics.com/

Always maintained the EQ is the LAST thing you do. Room treatments are way ahead of EQ, so is proper speaker positioning. EQ is a last and often time necessary resort (especially in 5.1/7.1 HT environments)

Telling people to simply buy a better amp or speakers to correct room error is shear, number one, a-class, idiocy.

[cnh]

Your are a straight up idiot if you think you simply need to buy better equipment rather than a band or two of EQ for room conditions. This is why certain polksters are universally reviled by every other audio community.

So we're 'reviled'? Does that mean we're Idiots?

Are you meaning to say that a cheap Equalizer is all you need to make any amp/AVR sound like a champ. If so, there are a lot of audio engineers and manufacturers wasting their time out there!

cnh

[jinjuku]

So we're 'reviled'? Does that mean we're Idiots?

Are you meaning to say that a cheap Equalizer is all you need to make any amp/AVR sound like a champ. If so, there are a lot of audio engineers and manufacturers wasting their time out there!

cnh

If you can find where I said such a thing, knock your self out...

[W WALDECKER]

I seem to have noticed a trend here.Is it just my imagination or do these types of threads attract alot of dickbags ?

[treitz3]

It's not your imagination. It's reality.

[jinjuku]

It's not your imagination. It's reality.

Ya, I have no idea where they all come from. They seem to keep together though.

Come on over to AVSForum/Audioholics/Hometheatershack sometime to see what non-douchery is like.

[sucks2beme]

Your are a straight up idiot if you think you simply need to buy better equipment rather than a band or two of EQ for room conditions. This is why certain polksters are universally reviled by every other audio community.

Oh really? So why are you here? Just because you like the abuse?
I've been on those other boards.
You know, the "only good amps were made from 1974-1984" bunch.
Or "cables are all in your head" site?
You like the stuff? Fine. I think the point here is we don't dislike it,
but we aren't frothing about it. It fits in a price point. IF it works good
at that price point, then it serves the purpose intended. DONE.
Leave those listening with higher end gear out of it.
The real fix for the room is treatments, not EQ. There, I said it.
And better gear is about a lot more than EQ. Why must everyone come
here to save us from ourselves?

[jinjuku]

I seem to have noticed a trend here.Is it just my imagination or do these types of threads attract alot of dickbags ?

They only come out if Emotiva is mentioned. Don't let it bother you;)

[heiney9]

They only come out if Emotiva is mentioned. Don't let it bother you;)

He's talking about you and others like you. I find it hysterical you don't realize that.

H9

[jinjuku]

He's talking about you and others like you. I find it hysterical you don't realize that.

H9

I was talking about you and others like you. I find it hysterical you don't realize that;)

Be serious heiney9, I am not as dumb as you:rolleyes:

It's called tongue in cheek, dry humor, what ever...

[jinjuku]

Oh, god damn. So many morons, so little time...lol, still laughing at you H9.

I almost feel guilty. Like shooting fish in the barrel. Hardly sporting of me at all.

[W WALDECKER]

He's talking about you and others like you. I find it hysterical you don't realize that.

H9 H9,I dont think its funny.Its really just kind of sad and disturbing at the same time ;)

[heiney9]

H9,I dont think its funny.Its really just kind of sad and disturbing at the same time ;)

I agree it is sad......I am also sorry I get mixed up with these d*ckbags which only encourages their trolling. They are worthless and should be treated that way.

H9

[Ricardo]

Come on over to AVSForum/Audioholics/Hometheatershack sometime to see what non-douchery is like.

So that's where you come from. Got it now. Why don't you just go back and tell all your friends how bad you were treated over here? Poor little baby.

[jinjuku]

I agree it is sad......I am also sorry I get mixed up with these d*ckbags which only encourages their trolling. They are worthless and should be treated that way.

H9

At least I am not trying to correct in-room response issues (assuming treatments) by buying a $3K amp...

LOL, whew, still laughing at the collective here.

[jinjuku]

So that's where you come from. Got it now. Why don't you just go back and tell all your friends how bad you were treated over here? Poor little baby.

Nah, I have a better idea. Why don't you franchise the sticking of your foot in mouth and try posting on some other boards. If you ran out of feet to stick in orifices I am sure others at said boards will lend you theirs.

Lets face it you aren't on other boards because you can't hang with the big dogs. You have to hang on a manufacturer centric sight.

[agfrost]

Oh, god damn. So many morons, so little time...lol, still laughing at you H9.

I almost feel guilty. Like shooting fish in the barrel. Hardly sporting of me at all.

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj155/agfrost/DamnStraight.png

[jinjuku]

So that's where you come from. Got it now. Why don't you just go back and tell all your friends how bad you were treated over here? Poor little baby.


Trust me, they all ready feel sorry enough for me when I mentioned the Polk Forums...:rolleyes:

They even had a chuckle at my expense. I consider interacting with you guys like visiting the zoo. You tend to all stay in your cages.

[jinjuku]

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj155/agfrost/DamnStraight.png

We have one here with creative bone in their body...

[cnh]

Trust me, they all ready feel sorry enough for me when I mentioned the Polk Forums...:rolleyes:

They even had a chuckle at my expense. I consider interacting with you guys like visiting the zoo. You tend to all stay in your cages.

We're all cowering at that of course! oooooooooohhhhhhhhh! I'm trembling!

Why don't you take off, if it's so BAD here....or do you like visiting the ZOO--you know it's free?

You can get a life-long pass....and laugh like a monkey 24/7.

cnh

[comfortablycurt]

I really don't get it. All of these trolls are always whining about how terrible the Polk forums are, how arrogant and close minded the members are, and how much these forums suck in general.

Why are you here?

If these forums are so bad...what keeps bringing you back? Your presence will not be missed juju.

That's the beautiful thing about the internet...you can go to any website you want. Why come to one where everyone disagrees with you on so many countless points? Just to stir the pot and start shit? Seems like a waste of time on your part...your life must be pretty dull.

[jinjuku]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2451/3587172544_5c732a57c8_o.jpg

[megasat16]

Trust me, they all ready feel sorry enough for me when I mentioned the Polk Forums...:rolleyes:

They even had a chuckle at my expense. I consider interacting with you guys like visiting the zoo. You tend to all stay in your cages.

I think you went a bit too far with the fun when you refer others and myself as Zoo Animals. For that reason, I suggest you take a sip from what you piss.

Whatever board you are referring to (AVS, HTS, DIY Audio, AudioKarma), you can find me with the same handle. Unlike you, many people here are not trouble makers so they don't go to every board to participate in pissing contest. I guess you didn't win there so you come here to give a shot.

Of coz, you won't find me in the EMOTIVA forums. It's not like I don't dare saying EMOTIVA is of NO REFERENCE Product but I guess some people there already knew about it too.

[slowpolky]

i bet this emo aint better than my 50 dollar marantz 4001 dvd player, rassperys to you all

[jinjuku]

I really don't get it. All of these trolls are always whining about how terrible the Polk forums are, how arrogant and close minded the members are, and how much these forums suck in general.

Why are you here?

If these forums are so bad...what keeps bringing you back? Your presence will not be missed juju.

That's the beautiful thing about the internet...you can go to any website you want. Why come to one where everyone disagrees with you on so many countless points? Just to stir the pot and start shit? Seems like a waste of time on your part...your life must be pretty dull.

Because believe it or not, there are a few people that are able to interact in a non a-hole manner.

You, H9, Kieko, treitz3, F1Nut, reeltrouble (or some combination of) hop into any thread that happens to mention Emotiva and high-jack it away from the OP.

Sorry if I missed any of the other d-bags. I can't wait for someone to post about the Emotiva UMC-1. You guys will have that thread f'd about the 2nd page. You guys aren't all that arrogant and closed minded. Just all sorts of dumb.

[jinjuku]

I think you went a bit too far with the fun when you refer others and myself as Zoo Animals. For that reason, I suggest you take a sip from what you piss.

Whatever board you are referring to (AVS, HTS, DIY Audio, AudioKarma), you can find me with the same handle. Unlike you, many people here are not trouble makers so they don't go to every board to participate in pissing contest. I guess you didn't win there so you come here to give a shot.

Of coz, you won't find me in the EMOTIVA forums. It's not like I don't dare saying EMOTIVA is of NO REFERENCE Product but I guess some people there already knew about it too.

Funny, I participate in those other forums too. No where do I see going on the other boards that goes on here. Hell, I didn't even hit this thread till I believe page 5. The collective managed what they always managed with out any input from me.

[W WALDECKER]

Because believe it or not, there are a few people that are able to interact in a non a-hole manner.

You, H9, Kieko, treitz3, F1Nut, reeltrouble (or some combination of) hop into any thread that happens to mention Emotiva and high-jack it away from the OP.

Sorry if I missed any of the other d-bags. I can't wait for someone to post about the Emotiva UMC-1. You guys will have that thread f'd about the 2nd page. You guys aren't all that arrogant and closed minded. Just all sorts of dumb.
Why do you give a rats ass about peoples negative opinions regarding Emotiva ? are you a Shill ? Whats in it for you ? you just happened to be in the neighborhood ?

[sucks2beme]

Because believe it or not, there are a few people that are able to interact in a non a-hole manner.

You, H9, Kieko, treitz3, F1Nut, reeltrouble (or some combination of) hop into any thread that happens to mention Emotiva and high-jack it away from the OP.

Sorry if I missed any of the other d-bags. I can't wait for someone to post about the Emotiva UMC-1. You guys will have that thread f'd about the 2nd page. You guys aren't all that arrogant and closed minded. Just all sorts of dumb.

Sorry. I must be high or something. I believe Heiney9 WAS THE OP.
You're one of the two people who hijacked the thread. It started out
as a neutral thread. The only real slam was the "reference" marketing
in the ad. And, of course, the specs. At 1v RMS out, some are going to
have problems getting enough volume, especially with a passive preamp.
We are quite capable of having a pretty good thread on the + and -
of most gear. But of late, we seem to get a few fanboys in the mix.
I don't really find any gear the holy grail. I'm more than happy to hear the
good and the bad, as long as it's an intelligent thread. Believe me, I've run
into some overpriced gear. And a lot of overhyped gear. I'm all about a good
bargain, but I find myself over the last year re-thinking what's good. I'd
rather buy a used higher end piece that has a history of being dependable
and good sounding, rather than a new piece with little track record, and
a lot of talk from people I don't trust. An afternoon at a fellow Polkie's
house is worth more than a lot of online research most of the time.

[comfortablycurt]

Because believe it or not, there are a few people that are able to interact in a non a-hole manner.

You, H9, Kieko, treitz3, F1Nut, reeltrouble (or some combination of) hop into any thread that happens to mention Emotiva and high-jack it away from the OP.

Sorry if I missed any of the other d-bags. I can't wait for someone to post about the Emotiva UMC-1. You guys will have that thread f'd about the 2nd page. You guys aren't all that arrogant and closed minded. Just all sorts of dumb.

You know whats funny? The only threads that everyone freaks out on are the threads where the trolls go off on a mission to save everyone from spending their own money. Whether the topics be cables, Emotiva, EQ or a number of other things, the topics are going along fine. Everyone comes in...states their opinion.

Then the trolls come in with their "everyone is wrong except for me" attitude, and won't give up on their mission to save us all, until the thread is 40 pages long and completely meaningless.

All of the people you mentioned in that post are some of the people that make this Club what it is. They've all helped many people out, myself included, in one way or another. It's the trolls like you, and the numerous other trolls that are wrecking this forum.

If you hate this message board so much, then leave. I can assure you that nobody is going to miss you, aside from the other trolls. Feel free to take them with you. All of us a-holes will get along just fine without you.

[dane_peterson]

I've got an idea...
POLKFEST!

Let's have a nationwide gathering of trolls, elitests, haters, and naysayers... put them in a room together with Emo equipment as well as numerous other options... and let their EARS speak for themselves.

Only problem... no one will change their mind. This is all completely useless banter. The horse has been beaten. I unsubscribe.

[Face]

I'm almost tempted to order one to compare it to my Cambridge 840C with some friends. The only problem is that it would be a big inconvenience to have a player without digital inputs. Plus all those lights would be annoying for late night listening.

[cnh]

Or we could all chip in buy one collectively and just ship it to everyone who's been defamed above in order of 1st slur to last. Then have a Karma lottery to give it to someone when everyone is done. If anyone is 'interested'?

What could be more fair!

cnh

[Face]

Or demos for all like this one: http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67455

Step up to the plate Emo.

[megasat16]

I'll chip in $25 bucks or more to give EMO REFERENCE player a try. I am sure we could have 40-50 guys to come up to try...

[BlueFox]

Sorry. I must be high or something. I believe Heiney9 WAS THE OP.


I have to add something to this thread since I have invested a lot of time reading it over the last few weeks. I looked at page 1, post 1, and the post is by "Early B".

[dane_peterson]

I'm making a thread for this to check interest... time to be proactive and positive. Yay!

Edit: Please chime in here!
http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83895

[cnh]

Sounds good Dane.

cnh

[sucks2beme]

I have to add something to this thread since I have invested a lot of time reading it over the last few weeks. I looked at page 1, post 1, and the post is by "Early B".

oh, crap. You caught me smoking!:eek:
I must be crossed up with another thread. But he was an early poster in
the thread. That will teach me lightly follow a thread while listening to
conference calls. But I still don't get the whole point. Why come over here
and slam all of club Polk because some of us don't share their views.
Lots of forums have heated debates. Cables ALWAYS bring out the worst
in people. And gear always has fanboys and non-fanboys. Emotiva is a
cost effective way to good sound. Great sound? I doubt it. Not at that
price point. It's like SVS. It's a very good sub at the price point.
But Don't mistake that for being something it's not. There seems to be no
shortage of these guys that show up to piss on the carpet and tell us it's raining.

[bigred7078]

Great Post H9! You hit the nail on the head and it's all that's really matter but some EMO fan boys seem to take a bit too serious about EMO reference quality. Since I've read a whole bunch of the term Reference on all XPA series amps on EMO website long ago, I no longer pay attention to what EMO called their products Reference but some EMO lovers can't let it go.

EMO offers reasonable quality product at Bang for the Buck and take it as it is.

To die hard EMO lovers, there is a whole different world out there which is above and beyond what EMO can offer so indulge yourself in different gears.....:) Listen to others' stuff, compare to your EMO stuff, and then decide what's best for you. If you like EMO, it's awesome. But just give other products a chance (by listening and comparing) just as much as you want EMO to be given a chance....:)

what some of you fail to realize is that no one is this thread has said Emotiva is the end all. Not once in fact. In fact i often recommend other products. Its just tiring to see the same people on here go out of their way to make snide comments and bash on emotiva.

In fact in the past several threads about Emotiva on this forum, no one has even said Emotiva is way better than anythign else. Many of you have just become conditioned to believe that is what people will say/ or think. People have just said it has compared to some more expensive gear. Then the usuals get all bent out of shape and act like they said nothing else could be better.

[bigred7078]

No one has come right out and stated Emo gear is a giant killer, but they way people vigorously defend it's existence and constanly try to compare it to higher end gear leads a reasonable person to deduce that's what being said.

H9

People vigorously defend it here because some of you go out of your way to smear emotivas name.

[bigred7078]

Why do you give a rats ass about peoples negative opinions regarding Emotiva ? are you a Shill ? Whats in it for you ? you just happened to be in the neighborhood ?

at least i own the product...


Why do some of you who claim to care less about emotiva feel the need to spend so much of your time fighting and posting about it???? If it was no big deal you would think you would just leave it alone.

[SCompRacer]

Come on over to AVSForum/..........sometime to see what non-douchery is like.

OK, I did. Went to the Two Channel forum. Spotted this thread.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1149039

Basic content. Not all responses shown. (There were some fair remarks).


Dennis Murphy and Danny Richie
________________________________________
Are these guys both excellent crossover designers?


By reputation yes, but if you have read some of Danny’s posting on various Forums, you will find that he strongly believes in speaker break in and (I’m guessing here) the Loch Ness Monster.:)


Technically, from what I've read, I'd give the nod to Murphy. He is less likely to deal with minutae and trivialities while taking a less flamboyant, self-promoting approach.


Seconded. Bad enough that he touts speaker break in, Ritchie lost whatever of my respect remained for him when he dismissed Dick Pierce as incompetent on the Audioholics forum about the topic.

Of course I won't judge the entire forum or all the members there by this one thread, but I do see some douchery.;)


I'm pretty sure that both gentleman are a sight better than all of the chest-puffing experts around here. Beyond that, any one might prefer Danny over Dennis or vice versa, but they would have to listen to some speakers first.

A good response, I think. I am responsible for the bold highlight.

[F1nut]

Let's look at that 1V rms output voltage again. There are two possible reasons for this. One would be that it has a weak power supply, but the more likely reason is because it's a noisy player and by limiting the output voltage to such a low amount it would help it sound better by not passing on so much of the noise. The downside of such a low output voltage is that it can't really be used with a passive pre amp or a low gain pre amp, so matching would be much more critical than normal. Therefore, this would greatly limit one's choices and in turn, the chances of finding that all important synergy.

[Keiko]

Let's look at that 1V rms output voltage again. There are two possible reasons for this. One would be that it has a weak power supply, but the more likely reason is because it's a noisy player and by limiting the output voltage to such a low amount it would help it sound better by not passing on so much of the noise. The downside of such a low output voltage is that it can't really be used with a passive pre amp or a low gain pre amp, so matching would be much more critical than normal. Therefore, this would greatly limit one's choices and in turn, the chances of finding that all important synergy.

This player sounds like some bad juju to me Jesse. ;)

[megasat16]

what some of you fail to realize is that no one is this thread has said Emotiva is the end all. Not once in fact. In fact i often recommend other products. Its just tiring to see the same people on here go out of their way to make snide comments and bash on emotiva.

In fact in the past several threads about Emotiva on this forum, no one has even said Emotiva is way better than anythign else. Many of you have just become conditioned to believe that is what people will say/ or think. People have just said it has compared to some more expensive gear. Then the usuals get all bent out of shape and act like they said nothing else could be better.

I also didn't say anyone in this thread has said EMOTIVA is the end all. I implore others to venture into different brand and different products and compare. There is a whole world full of Audio gears and manufacturers to enjoy and to experiment. I implore EMOTIVA owners to listen to others' stuff and compare. If they like EMOTIVA, it's AWESOME and I am happy for them. It's like YMMV. Not everyone likes oranges and not everyone likes Apples. :)

That's why I liked H9 post. His friend and he compared and his friend likes the EMO. I also think H9 is happy about it. It's all that really matters...

For $450 EMOTIVA reference player to compete with others, we need to give a listen to it. Also, EMOTIVA reference player owners have to listen to other brands and make a fair comparison. There are tens of $400 range players out there which does what EMO does....If EMOTIVA is truly superior, I will hail for EMOTIVA. How's that sound for you?

I am not sure you aware of another thread to purchase EMOTIVA Reference Player with the community efforts. Some of us agrees to chip in a few bucks to buy the EMOTIVA player. I don't know it's going to happen for real or not but I am hoping it would. So, we all know what's left when the fog is lifted.

[Keiko]

H9,I dont think its funny.Its really just kind of sad and disturbing at the same time ;)

C'mon now. What could possibly be sad or disturbing about Troll Camp? I"m sure it's a fun and magical place for them.
I bet they get all the big red juju beans they can eat to. ;)

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/75012df631.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)

[W WALDECKER]

at least i own the product...


Why do some of you who claim to care less about emotiva feel the need to spend so much of your time fighting and posting about it???? If it was no big deal you would think you would just leave it alone.I have zero opinion about Emotiva positive or negative.However i do have a very negative opinion about A-holes who come here just to start shit and use Club Polk to conduct pissing matches. I disagree with many people here on numerous subjects but we still manage to remain friends and just agree to disagree. You people who come from God knows where keep F#cking up Club Polk and somthing needs to change :mad:

[haimoc]

Let's look at that 1V rms output voltage again. There are two possible reasons for this. One would be that it has a weak power supply, but the more likely reason is because it's a noisy player and by limiting the output voltage to such a low amount it would help it sound better by not passing on so much of the noise. The downside of such a low output voltage is that it can't really be used with a passive pre amp or a low gain pre amp, so matching would be much more critical than normal. Therefore, this would greatly limit one's choices and in turn, the chances of finding that all important synergy.

Well said.. Thanks, Jesse. I am out of this thread.

[Toolfan66]

Deleated!!

[GV#27]

Let's look at that 1V rms output voltage again. There are two possible reasons for this. Or a misprint.The manual claims a standard 2 VRMS output.

[jinjuku]

Or a misprint.The manual claims a standard 2 VRMS output.

The manual is a misprint. The output is 1 volt nominal and 7 volts peak.

[bigred7078]

I also didn't say anyone in this thread has said EMOTIVA is the end all. I implore others to venture into different brand and different products and compare. There is a whole world full of Audio gears and manufacturers to enjoy and to experiment. I implore EMOTIVA owners to listen to others' stuff and compare. If they like EMOTIVA, it's AWESOME and I am happy for them. It's like YMMV. Not everyone likes oranges and not everyone likes Apples. :)

That's why I liked H9 post. His friend and he compared and his friend likes the EMO. I also think H9 is happy about it. It's all that really matters...

For $450 EMOTIVA reference player to compete with others, we need to give a listen to it. Also, EMOTIVA reference player owners have to listen to other brands and make a fair comparison. There are tens of $400 range players out there which does what EMO does....If EMOTIVA is truly superior, I will hail for EMOTIVA. How's that sound for you?

I am not sure you aware of another thread to purchase EMOTIVA Reference Player with the community efforts. Some of us agrees to chip in a few bucks to buy the EMOTIVA player. I don't know it's going to happen for real or not but I am hoping it would. So, we all know what's left when the fog is lifted.

Thanks for the nice post:)

[bigred7078]

I have zero opinion about Emotiva positive or negative.However i do have a very negative opinion about A-holes who come here just to start shit and use Club Polk to conduct pissing matches. I disagree with many people here on numerous subjects but we still manage to remain friends and just agree to disagree. You people who come from God knows where keep F#cking up Club Polk and somthing needs to change :mad:

Again since you have zero opinion why are you spending so much time in this thread? I don't come here to start shit. I did though in this thread because im tired of the reckless assault on emotiva here. If you want to have a decent conversation about it, by all means go for it. Some of the senior memebers are having good conversation about it now, but this is usually not the case.

[apphd]

The manual is a misprint. The output is 1 volt nominal and 7 volts peak.

I see other discrepancies between the specs on the product page, and what is in the manual. How do you know which is correct and which is wrong? Are the other variances also wrong in the manual, and right on the product page?

i.e. Freq. Resp product page 20Hz~20kHz (+0/-1dB)
manual 20Hz~20kHz (+/-0.1dB)
Thanks

[Toolfan66]

spending so much time in this thread? I don't I did though in this thread because im tired of the reckless assault on emotiva here. .


"Tired of the reckless assault on emotiva?" Do you see how stupid this sounds? Dude there is more to life then to get all pissed about what somebody says about Emotiva. If your not the owner of the company then let it go. Really grow up man it's just gear, and just a CDP.

I am shocked that somebody would even put this much energy into something so petty.

A real opinion would have some foundation. I don't see any foundation in what you have to say here. Nor is your pissing and whinning wanting me to buy a CDP from Emotiva.

If you want to do the company justice then conduct your self as a grown adult, and have some "Foundation" in why we should even look at their CDP.

Nuff said.

Larry.

[Keiko]

Interesting tags. Some of you boys are harboring some really strange tendencies. :D

[BlueFox]

The funny part about all this rhetoric is a Redbook CD player is obsolete. A music server along with a DAC is a much better way to play CDs. This is like arguing over which buggy whip works best for your car.

[megasat16]

The manual is a misprint. The output is 1 volt nominal and 7 volts peak.

It's a little annoying to say the least that the Reference Player manual has simple Typography error in it. Could someone at EMOTIVA marketing pay attention to simple numbers other than where to put the word REFERENCE in their marketing strategy? :) It would save us a lot of hassles and all the banter it received........

From what I gather in other forums, I think EMOTIVA started out with words for their Reference player at around 30lbs weight initially. The final design reflects the weight is about half of that. I think it's probably said to be true for other aspects of the designs unfortunately.

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2112784&postcount=4

[shack]

The funny part about all this rhetoric is a Redbook CD player is obsolete. A music server along with a DAC is a much better way to play CDs. This is like arguing over which buggy whip works best for your car.


Gee. The same thing was said about vinyl. :rolleyes:

[comfortablycurt]

The funny part about all this rhetoric is a Redbook CD player is obsolete. A music server along with a DAC is a much better way to play CDs. This is like arguing over which buggy whip works best for your car.

I'd hardly call a redbook CDP "obsolete".

The last I checked, it was actually the modern standard for audio playback.

[Keiko]

Gee. The same thing was said about vinyl. :rolleyes:

Mmmm, vinyl! :cool: Now you're talking shack. :)

[W WALDECKER]

Again since you have zero opinion why are you spending so much time in this thread? I don't come here to start shit. I did though in this thread because im tired of the reckless assault on emotiva here. If you want to have a decent conversation about it, by all means go for it. Some of the senior memebers are having good conversation about it now, but this is usually not the case.Look Slick, here's a clue! I have zero opinion about Emotiva but you and your friends are harshing my mellow and ruining what used to be a very cool audio forum by acting like a bunch of crybaby piss bags. I have been sitting back ignoring these types of threads for the most part until I have seen just way too much of this bullshit. If you and your cohorts can't bring meaningful discussion to the table without upsetting the apple cart, please do yourselves and everyone else here a favor and take a hike....WCW III

[BlueFox]

I'd hardly call a redbook CDP "obsolete".

The last I checked, it was actually the modern standard for audio playback.

Sorry Curt. There is a better, more convenient way to play digital music from a CD, or downloaded from a lossless site, than with a CD player. While a CD player still works, it is headed for the audio junkheap. Technology marches on, even if some people do not realize it, or are just slow. :cool:

[Keiko]

Sorry Curt. There is a better, more convenient way to play digital music from a CD, or downloaded from a lossless site, than with a CD player. While a CD player still works, it is headed for the audio junkheap. Technology marches on, even if some people do not realize it, or are just slow. :cool:

Convenient? Yes. Better? Subjective.

[Ricardo]

There is a better, more convenient way to play digital music from a CD, or downloaded from a lossless site, than with a CD player.

Ok. I give you that. It's your opinion and I respect it. Not my cup of tea, but then I don't expect everyone to like the same things I like.



While a CD player still works, it is headed for the audio junkheap. Technology marches on, even if some people do not realize it, or are just slow. :cool:

But you had to add this comment, just to piss off people that like using obsolete things :rolleyes: such as a CD player or turntable.

See my point? You are just trying to stirr the pot. Am I wrong?

[BlueFox]

Ok. I give you that. It's your opinion and I respect it. Not my cup of tea, but then I don't expect everyone to like the same things I like.




But you had to add this comment, just to piss off people that like using obsolete things :rolleyes: such as a CD player or turntable.

See my point? You are just trying to stirr the pot. Am I wrong?

Hey. I still use a rotary phone, a CD player, and I am one of the few people in the country who has not yet got a cell phone. But I can tell which way the wind is blowing. If somebody likes using something then great, but that doesn't change technology's never ending march.

Glad to see we got off Emotiva.

[bigred7078]

Gee. The same thing was said about vinyl. :rolleyes:

haha good point