My SDA SRS 1.2 tl upgrade thread.

[Toolfan66]

Figured i would start a thread as i start putting these together in the next few weeks. I will keep this updated as i go along. Ben is doing my x-over upgrade for me, as i will be doing everthing else. Really looking forward to hearing these 180lb beast's. I will be putting in the RDO 198's as well. I was also advised to use JB WELD on the drivers. I will be replacing the grill cloth.

As i posted in another thread i am remaking the x-over plates, "I think they look FANTASTIC with the red ink", and handles.The handles will be made out of 1/2 x 1/2 brass square bar, and i am also making the spikes out of 1" brass round bar.

Just thought i would share my excitment.:cool:

Thanks,

Larry.

[zarrdoss]

Looks F***ing fantastic! Jo Ann's has the grill cloth.

[lightman1]

Very Nice, Larry!



BTW...don't use the diamond plate....that's just wrong on so many levels.

[nooshinjohn]

agreed on the diamond plate, unless they are going in a pickup truck or the sleeper on a big rig... can I get a set of those plates as well? I don't have the biguns yet but when I get them I will want a set...

[Toolfan66]

Very Nice, Larry!



BTW...don't use the diamond plate....that's just wrong on so many levels.

Thanks,
I'm not going to use the diamond plate, I just cut them for fun since I had the laser up and running. I thought Image Tec did a great job with the silk screening.

[xj4094dg]

Big-time speaker envy....

I want.

[VR3]

Thats hot.

[Pauly]

Sweet!


Pauly

[hearingimpared]

Lookin' gooooood!

[leroyjr1]

Very Nice!! When does production start?:)

[nspindel]

Oh man, I am going to enjoy this thread. SUBSCRIBED!!!

You're my hero...

You should produce several extra sets of those plates, I suspect you could make a lot of people happy with those.

[Toolfan66]

You should produce several extra sets of those plates, I suspect you could make a lot of people happy with those.

I could make them and sell them but The last thing i want is a law suit from Polk Audio for selling their name. If they gave me the OK to make them for Polk Club members, Then i might do that.

[Face]

Very nice Larry.

[Toolfan66]

The Brass bar i ordered came in today for my spikes, and i went right work.:p

[Lasareath]

I could make them and sell them but The last thing i want is a law suit from Polk Audio for selling their name. If they gave me the OK to make them for Polk Club members, Then i might do that.


Looks Great!!!

I don't think you'd have anything to worry about, It's not like your making t-shirts. How many would you really sell, 2 dozen pairs, they'd all go to people on this forum anywayz

[Toolfan66]

Looks Great!!!

I don't think you'd have anything to worry about, It's not like your making t-shirts. How many would you really sell, 2 dozen pairs, they'd all go to people on this forum anywayz

Thanks,

"True" 2 people already hit me up for them, and i would be ok with it ,then the thought of selling the name of Polk Audio hit me and i wondered if i would get in trouble for it.

[Retro152]

Nice Larry, beautiful job on the spike's. Cant tell if you threaded them or not, or are they a pressure fit? not familiar with the SDA's.

[Toolfan66]

Nice Larry, beautiful job on the spike's. Cant tell if you threaded them or not, or are they a pressure fit? not familiar with the SDA's.

Thanks,
They are threaded.

[Lasareath]

It'll be cool to take Crossover plates like yours with Red letters to Polkfest 2011 and have Matt Polk Sign them!

[Toolfan66]

It'll be cool to take Crossover plates like yours with Red letters to Polkfest 2011 and have Matt Polk Sign them!


That would be awesome;)

[Toolfan66]

Ok i pulled the drivers out, and was looking at the stuffing, has the stuffing settled? should it not be behind all the drivers? it sure seemed there was more stuffing in my SDA2's as well.

[nspindel]

Drooling....

[leroyjr1]

Ok i pulled the drivers out, and was looking at the stuffing, has the stuffing settled? should it not be behind all the drivers? it sure seemed there was more stuffing in my SDA2's as well.


I've got some left over stuffing in the freeze. Your more than welcome to it.:)

[dane_peterson]

+1 Subscription. Looks like a fun project.

[Face]

should it not be behind all the drivers?
Usually, yes.

[michaeljhsda2]

While the drivers are out double check the hot glue integrity on the cross members. A few months ago I noticed rattling in the cabinet of the right channel in mine and when I checked inside one was loose so I had to hot glue it back in place.

[Face]

I would have used wood glue instead.

[Retro152]

Usually, yes.


I would have used wood glue instead.

.....Knowledge aside, that's all you idiot's are gonna get outta me!:rolleyes:

[Toolfan66]

I checked everything, everything looked good, I only got to the right channel today, the only thing i did find was one of the gaskets on one tweeter was folded over. it was not sealed 100%. I terminated the wires i needed too to accomidate the RDO 198's, and used mortite to seal the drivers, and the tweeters. I also cleaned the drivers, it is amazing the dirt / smoke that comes off of them. I really like the look of the RDO's over the SL's.

[zarrdoss]

I really like the look of the RDO's over the SL's.

+1 to that

[Deadof_knight]

I like the sound of a mixed set of sls and rdos.....

[Toolfan66]

I like the sound of a mixed set of sls and rdos.....


Have you really tried that?

[Lasareath]

Ok i pulled the drivers out, and was looking at the stuffing, has the stuffing settled? should it not be behind all the drivers? it sure seemed there was more stuffing in my SDA2's as well.


My stuffing is exactly the same as yours. I don't think you need to add more.

[nspindel]

I also cleaned the drivers, it is amazing the dirt / smoke that comes off of them.

How'd you do that? Is there a recommended procedure for doing this?

[Toolfan66]

My stuffing is exactly the same as yours. I don't think you need to add more.


Thanks Sal,

I went with my gut feeling and left it as was.

Larry.

[Toolfan66]

How'd you do that? Is there a recommended procedure for doing this?

I used windex. "DO NOT USE IT ON YOUR TWEETERS" I do not remember why, but i think it was either Face or F1nut that said not to. I am sure it has to do with the material of the dome.

Larry.

[fbm211]

What size f/disconnects are needed for the 198s...Id like to get some when I order the 198s for my 2Bs..

[Toolfan66]

what size f/disconnects are needed for the 198s...id like to get some when i order the 198s for my 2bs..

1/4" Why are you going with the 198's? I have heard of people doing this but i always wondered if its good with the crossovers. I just put in 194's in my 2B's.

[Face]

FBM is going with the TL upgrade on his 2B's. It consists of adding a 5.8uf cap in parallel with the 2.7ohm(?) resistor in the HF circuit.

[fbm211]

I have the 5.8 sonicaps already to mod the xovers.Ive been told all I have to do is bypass the the resistors with them and I can use the 198s which will make my SDA2Bs SDA2BTL...The 198s are supposed to be an upgrade over the 194s.
I also had ben rebuild my xovers a few weeks ago.He did a great job.I am a little concerned about having a sonicap and a dayton in the high pass but maybe it will sound OK.If not I can always replace the 12uf daytons with sonicaps.
Edit---Face said it better

[nspindel]

What size f/disconnects are needed for the 198s...Id like to get some when I order the 198s for my 2Bs..

Don't bother. PM me your address, I just got a bag of 50 so I could use two of them, I'll send you a few. I did the same project as you are doing...

[Toolfan66]

FBM is going with the TL upgrade on his 2B's. It consists of adding a 5.8uf cap in parallel with the 2.7ohm(?) resistor in the HF circuit.


Nice!! I did not know you could do a tl upgrade on the 2B's. I may have to do that in the future with mine. But this time i want to do the crossovers myself, there is only one way to get your feet wet and thats to get in there and try it.

When i talked to polk about using the 198's in my 2B's for a tl upgrade i was told there is no tl upgrade for the 2B's. I should have just came back here before getting the 194's.

[nspindel]

I have the 5.8 sonicaps already to mod the xovers.Ive been told all I have to do is bypass the the resistors with them and I can use the 198s which will make my SDA2Bs SDA2BTL...The 198s are supposed to be an upgrade over the 194s.
I also had ben rebuild my xovers a few weeks ago.He did a great job.I am a little concerned about having a sonicap and a dayton in the high pass but maybe it will sound OK.If not I can always replace the 12uf daytons with sonicaps.
Edit---Face said it better

See post #8:

http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62106

[fbm211]

I have gone over that thread a few times.Very nice work.Remember me quoting you quoting F1:D

[fbm211]

Here are the pics T.Sorry for the bad quality.I couldnt get the mid drivers molex plug off:eek:.

[hearingimpared]

Don't forget to allow some time for those RD0s to break-in.

[Ricardo]

Looking great Larry. Nice job.

[Toolfan66]

Looking great Larry. Nice job.

Thanks!!:cool:

[Toolfan66]

Finished the left side today, all i have left is the grill cloth, the brass handles ( I will have done this week ) and my crossovers from Ben.;)

[Toolfan66]

Here are the pics T.Sorry for the bad quality.I couldnt get the mid drivers molex plug off:eek:.


Thank You!!!:cool:

[Shocked One]

Awesome job Larry! Keep up the pics and give me a call when they're done so I can go give 'em a listen!

[BIZILL]

i never saw this thread. should have put it in the vintage forum. anyway, what kind of laser you have, i'm assuming at your work, if you're cutting diamondplate and all...

hell of a job you're doing to these!

[Toolfan66]

Awesome job Larry! Keep up the pics and give me a call when they're done so I can go give 'em a listen!

Where do you live? and do i know you by chance?

[Toolfan66]

i never saw this thread. should have put it in the vintage forum. anyway, what kind of laser you have, i'm assuming at your work, if you're cutting diamondplate and all...

hell of a job you're doing to these!


Thanks!

Maybe the mods can move it to the vintage speaker section.

[Shocked One]

Where do you live? and do i know you by chance?

Yeah, you definitely know exactly where I live and who I am... I'm the guy who helped you load them the day you bought them... How are those ASC sound panels doing?

LOL...

:)

[nspindel]

Doh!

[Toolfan66]

Yeah, you definitely know exactly where I live and who I am... I'm the guy who helped you load them the day you bought them... How are those ASC sound panels doing?

LOL...

:)

HA HA whats up Benny.;) you are no longer the "Shocked one" i am. So what do you think of your old speakers now?

[Shocked One]

HA HA whats up Benny.;)

Just hanging out watching the rain, and the awesome lightning show outside my window...

:D

[Shocked One]

So what do you think of your old speakers now?

Man, you've totally blown me away with your awesome work! I am so excited to see the wonders you've done with them over the past month or two since you bought them!

I can hardly wait to see, and hear them again!!!

[Toolfan66]

Just hanging out watching the rain, and the awesome lightning show outside my window...

:D

The lightning is awesome, i thought it would rain harder and longer.

[Toolfan66]

Man, you've totally blown me away with your awesome work! I am so excited to see the wonders you've done with them over the past month or two since you bought them!

I can hardly wait to see, and hear them again!!!

As close as you live, you will be the first person to hear them.:cool:

[BIZILL]

so awesome the original seller has found his way back to these polks.

[leroyjr1]

Man, you've totally blown me away with your awesome work! I am so excited to see the wonders you've done with them over the past month or two since you bought them!

I can hardly wait to see, and hear them again!!!

What's up Benny? Do you know who I am?

[Shocked One]

What's up Benny? Do you know who I am?

Oh my goodness! I didn't know it before, but NOW I definitely know who you are, Lee!!!

How the heck are ya? Man, what a small world this is! Even though I'm new to actually posting on this website, pretty soon I'm going to be known as the guy who sold two different pairs of SDA-SRS speakers to two different members on this website!

That's so funny!

:D

[leroyjr1]

Larry

You should also Dynamat your baskets. Ordered me some Friday.

[Toolfan66]

Larry

You should also Dynamat your baskets. Ordered me some Friday.

Thats one tweek i will do later, I will Dynamat the back of the crossover plates as well. I figured the Dynamat will give me an excuse to lay these ladies back down and get a stink finger. ;)

[Bigbang]

Nice!!!!

[nspindel]

Jeez, this thread is like a high school reunion!

[rubin]

Thanks,
I'm not going to use the diamond plate, I just cut them for fun since I had the laser up and running. I thought Image Tec did a great job with the silk screening.

Hey Tool, ru into cnc machining?

[Toolfan66]

Hey Tool, ru into cnc machining?

This is the shop i work at, Production Manager.

http://www.dynamicmetalfab.com/

Been doing this for 20 years. We have 5 Fadal's in the machine shop area, a Lathe, 2 Lasers ( 1 Bystonics 4400 watts, 1 Amada 4000 watts.), 3 Press Breaks all Amada, 2 Punch's both are Amada's as well, and 7 Welding stations. we also run 2 shifts.

[rubin]

This is the shop i work at, Production Manager.

http://www.dynamicmetalfab.com/

Been doing this for 20 years. We have 5 Fadal's in the machine shop area, a Lathe, 2 Lasers ( 1 Bystonics 4400 watts, 1 Amada 4000 watts.), 3 Press Breaks all Amada, 2 Punch's both are Amada's as well, and 7 Welding stations. we also run 2 shifts.

I started in 1985, did work for the aircraft & marine industry.

[Toolfan66]

I started in 1985, did work for the aircraft & marine industry.

Nice!! are you still in this field of work?

I love the custom side of my job more then the production side, But it is work so no complants here.

[rubin]

Nice!! are you still in this field of work?

Part /time Call in when they need me as I'm the only guy who can prgm./set up their machines.I ran the CNC dept.Single handed,but now China got in the game (cheap prices) so my time is limited to emergency situations.

[Toolfan66]

Part /time Call in when they need me as I'm the only guy who can prgm./set up their machines

People like you are becoming harder & harder to find. it seems as if more and more people just want to be paid and not work for it.

[leroyjr1]

People like you are becoming harder & harder to find. it seems as if more and more people just want to be paid and not work for it.

I was told the less you work the more you make. So I do as little as possible!!!!!!!!!!!:D

[rubin]

i was told the less you work the more you make. So i do as little as possible!!!!!!!!!!!:d

he>>>>he

[rubin]

People like you are becoming harder & harder to find. it seems as if more and more people just want to be paid and not work for it.

Thanks...No complaints though,the kids are gone,both are doing well,the WIFE!!! still works F/T ..RN so life is good.Mostly working around the house and ENJOYING MY 2CH high fi.BTW NICE JOB ON THE BRASS FEET.

[rubin]

"My shop" consisted of 2 cnc lathes( 2 axis) 1 five axis HAAS lathe,1 six axis VMC.It's a real joke that the macnines are idol . Your the P/M ? very good!!!

[F1nut]

Ok i pulled the drivers out, and was looking at the stuffing, has the stuffing settled? should it not be behind all the drivers?

Yes, the stuffing in your speakers has slipped down. Push it back up so that it is behind all of the mid-drivers.

[rubin]

People like you are becoming harder & harder to find. it seems as if more and more people just want to be paid and not work for it.

Sign of the times,they (china) has damaged my livelyhood.

[Toolfan66]

The pictures do these no justice.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g82/KIDROCK66/SDAcovers003.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g82/KIDROCK66/SDAcovers004.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g82/KIDROCK66/SDAcovers001.jpg

[hearingimpared]

WOW they look awesome!

[Toolfan66]

WOW they look awesome!


Thanks!! I was just bummed the pics don't really show the grain in the brass.

[Shocked One]

Thanks!! I was just bummed the pics don't really show the grain in the brass.

They kind of do... if you squint a little...

[hearingimpared]

I want a pair.

[nspindel]

Wow...

[Toolfan66]

I want a pair.

Do you have the SRS's?

[Toolfan66]

they kind of do... If you squint a little...


haha:d

[rubin]

Pro. Job!!!

[zarrdoss]

OK Larry you win! lol, whats next black laser-cut Italian marble tops and bottoms? HA!

[messiah]

Bad ass Toolfan!!

[hearingimpared]

Do you have the SRS's?

I have 1.2TLs.

[nooshinjohn]

I seriously don't think Mr. Polk would be anything but honored to have you make a few pairs of these covers for fellow Polkies. I am in for a set for my future 1.2tl's...

[Toolfan66]

I have 1.2TLs.

I saw it in your sig' but to late to edit my post, we will talk about the crossover plates.

[Toolfan66]

OK Larry you win! lol, whats next black laser-cut Italian marble tops and bottoms? HA!


One may never know...;) J/K the last thing i would want is to add more weight to them.

[nspindel]

Sign me up too! I'm on my third pair of SDA's. Next up, a 1.2TL restoration project, when I find a pair I can afford :D

[hearingimpared]

I saw it in your sig' but to late to edit my post, we will talk about the crossover plates.

Sound good! Thanks Bro.

[Lasareath]

Any pictures yet with the crossover plates mounted?

[Toolfan66]

Any pictures yet with the crossover plates mounted?


As soon as i get my crossovers back from Ben I will post some pics. I think they will be here sometime next week.

[ben62670]

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh83/ben62670/DSCN1547.jpg?t=1245550013

[Ender]

Damn... how do you know where to put what or what to attach where?

[Lasareath]

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh83/ben62670/DSCN1547.jpg?t=1245550013


That crossover looks Great Ben!!!

[Lasareath]

Larry,

It looks like you are missing the counter weights from your Passive Raditors.

See below at my original ones, I replaced my original ones with a never used pair that I bought from another polkie after one of my cat's tore a hole in the butyl rubber surround.

But the original ones and the new ones all had this metal counter weight on them.

Sal

[zarrdoss]

yep all mine had counter weights, and I believer they're different weights for the 2.3's and 1.2's

[ben62670]

Damn... how do you know where to put what or what to attach where?

There were some mods that needed to be made to convert the 1.2's to 1.2TL's. Polk engineering helped a bit, and the 1.2's, and 1.2TL's use the same board. I will post the mods necessary later. When all is said and done It is cheaper to convert to the 1.2TL's. I will post a thread later on the mod process. I was hoping that a measured amount of wire could be removed to decrease the inductance on the low pass arrays, but after doing two 1.2 to 1.2TL conversions an inductance meter should really be used. Please hold mod question till I write up the mod thread. I don't want to muck up TFL thread, and it would be helpful if any questions were in the mod thread.
Thanks
Ben

[Toolfan66]

I just creamed my jeans!! WOW!!

Ben you are the man.... Looks Great, I can't wait to put these bad boys in.

Looking forward to the write up.

I will call you tomorrow.

Thanks a million,

Larry.

[ben62670]

You didn't happen to take a pic of the XO before did you? I took a couple, but I can't find them:o
You can call now if you like.

[Toolfan66]

I did, i will try to find them.

[Toolfan66]

Larry,

It looks like you are missing the counter weights from your Passive Raditors.

See below at my original ones, I replaced my original ones with a never used pair that I bought from another polkie after one of my cat's tore a hole in the butyl rubber surround.

But the original ones and the new ones all had this metal counter weight on them.

Sal

These had no counter weights. :confused:

[ben62670]

They certainly look nothing like the stock 1.2's. They do however look just like modded 1.2TL's;)


These had no counter weights. :confused:

Don't worry. If you don't have an SPL meter get one. I will walk you through room tunning passive woofers.

[Face]

Looks good!

[Toolfan66]

My Crossovers came in the mail today from Ben. I am a happy MOFO:cool:

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g82/KIDROCK66/crossovers011.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g82/KIDROCK66/crossovers014.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g82/KIDROCK66/crossovers024.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g82/KIDROCK66/crossovers021.jpg

[nooshinjohn]

awesome man! Now get them installed and fire them BAD BOYS UP!!! I want to hear them all the way to Indiana.

[Toolfan66]

They are installed I am going to do some ohm readings first.

Ben did a fantastic job. Thanks a million Ben!!!!!:cool:

These are officially no longer 1.2's

[zarrdoss]

Well they certainly look like a million bucks, you went all out Larry

[Toolfan66]

Considering i was not even looking for them, They were not even posted for sale.
They found me, I did'nt find them. I guess they Knew i would take care of them, LOL

[zarrdoss]

If speakers could talk yours would be moaning in ecstasy! lol

[Face]

Not feeling the brass, but everything else looks great. Enjoy!

[hearingimpared]

I love the look of the brass Mike. The whole kit and kabuddle looks fantastic Larry. Don't forget to give those crossovers about 300 to 350 hours to burnin. It took over 350 for mine.

[nooshinjohn]

get some Duraglit brass polish on those handles. They will shine like gold!

[ben62670]

Not feeling the brass, but everything else looks great. Enjoy!

I like the brass, but the silk screening? I thought it would have been better in a fuchsia, or lavender. Something that states I'm pretty, but doesn't shout "I'm hot"

[leroyjr1]

Larry

I call first dibs when you sell them next month.:D

[Toolfan66]

I like the brass, but the silk screening? I thought it would have been better in a fuchsia, or lavender. Something that states I'm pretty, but doesn't shout "I'm hot"

HA HA. I will do John's and Joe's set in those colors..:D

[Toolfan66]

Larry

I call first dibs when you sell them next month.:D


You will be the first person my wife calls after im dead. LOL:D

[nooshinjohn]

HA HA. I will do John's and Joe's set in those colors..:D

ummm no... I will stick with Rosso Corso;)


that's Ferrari Red for those that didn't know.

[Toolfan66]

Well i have them up and running, and they sound great. but i know how my SDA2's sounded with time, they get better and better with time.

Listened to RUSH 2112, Now i am listening to White Zombie Astrocreep 2000.

I will say they sound better then they did before the upgrade without the burn in time.

[nooshinjohn]

congrats man! Rush was first up on mine as well.

[Toolfan66]

congrats man! Rush was first up on mine as well.



Thanks John, was well worth the wait and work. I will redo the wood in the near future.

[Toolfan66]

Not feeling the brass, but everything else looks great. Enjoy!

The pictures do the brass no justice, I think if you could see them with your own eyes it might change your mind. I hate the pics of them cause i know what they really look like.

Thanks by the way, I am looking forward to them getting some hours now.

[Shocked One]

The pictures do the brass no justice, I think if you could see them with your own eyes it might change your mind. I hate the pics of them cause i know what they really look like.


Having seen the brass (and the silk screening) with my own eyes, I can confirm that they look stunningly badass!!

So when's a good day and time to go hear them?

[Toolfan66]

Having seen the brass (and the silk screening) with my own eyes, I can confirm that they look stunningly badass!!

So when's a good day and time to go hear them?


Let them burn in for a few Benny, and i will have you over.:cool:

[kingtut]

Toolforlifefan, I can't tell from the pix. Is the original cabinet braced?

[kingtut]

Please ignore the question above, just saw the bracings on page 2

[Toolfan66]

These speakers KICK F%@KING ASS.

Thats all.

Larry.

[ben62670]

I am glad you are happy. How is the punch from the GFA-585 doing? Ever felt hits/pounding like that before?

[Toolfan66]

I am glad you are happy. How is the punch from the GFA-585 doing? Ever felt hits/pounding like that before?

It is fantastic, after enjoying the SDA2's the past few weeks i really did'nt know what to expect, I had an idea but man these are with out a doubt better then i could have dream of.

[hearingimpared]

These speakers KICK F%@KING ASS.

Thats all.

Larry.

Right on Brother!

[Toolfan66]

OK i got my 1.2's upstairs a few days ago, and i was disappointed on the sound i was getting. I was not sure why but it was much better in the basement.

Well my son is here from NY, and i had him help me put the spikes on them.

Guess what? They sound F@$KING AWESOME!!!!

For you guys out there that are not sure about putting spikes on them, DO IT!!!!

My guess is the concrete in the basement gave me the sound i had, but with the spikes?

BOY "O" BOY was i in for a shock.

SPIKE THEM!!!
SPIKE THEM!!!
SPIKE THEM!!!

OK i am done, you can move on now.

Larry.

[hearingimpared]

Soooo you like the spikes!!!

[Toolfan66]

Soooo you like the spikes!!!

It was night and day on how they sound, The spikes helped bring everything out in a big way. Not only are the lows more detailed but the highs as well.

I am still blown away on what they did.

We had just listened to NIN closer, Then we put the spikes on and replayed the song.

It was absolutely incredible.

[zarrdoss]

I have the same problem with mine, the basement sounds F**king awesome but bass in the living room is near impossible and I have some homemade spikes I tried too with no noticeable improvement. my living room acoustics just plain suck!

[Retro152]

Damn! beautiful job Larry. Enjoy!:D:D:D



Pat.

[nooshinjohn]

OK i got my 1.2's upstairs a few days ago, and i was disappointed on the sound i was getting. I was not sure why but it was much better in the basement.

Well my son is here from NY, and i had him help me put the spikes on them.

Guess what? They sound F@$KING AWESOME!!!!

For you guys out there that are not sure about putting spikes on them, DO IT!!!!

My guess is the concrete in the basement gave me the sound i had, but with the spikes?

BOY "O" BOY was i in for a shock.

SPIKE THEM!!!
SPIKE THEM!!!
SPIKE THEM!!!

OK i am done, you can move on now.

Larry.

I just spiked mine thanks to you... I had been meaning to do it since I brought them home but had been to lazy. All I can say is I am glad I read the thread... WHAT A DIFFERENCE! I thought of spikes as just a placebo kind of thing, until now.

Thanks for the update Larry!;)


John

[Toolfan66]

Your welcome John.:cool:

[Toolfan66]

Damn! beautiful job Larry. Enjoy!:D:D:D



Pat.


Thanks Pat!!!

[vmaxer]

OK i got my 1.2's upstairs a few days ago, and i was disappointed on the sound i was getting. I was not sure why but it was much better in the basement.

Well my son is here from NY, and i had him help me put the spikes on them.

Guess what? They sound F@$KING AWESOME!!!!

For you guys out there that are not sure about putting spikes on them, DO IT!!!!

My guess is the concrete in the basement gave me the sound i had, but with the spikes?

BOY "O" BOY was i in for a shock.

SPIKE THEM!!!
SPIKE THEM!!!
SPIKE THEM!!!

OK i am done, you can move on now.

Larry.

This is good to know! When I ordered my RDO 198's I also ordered a set of spikes from Polk for these...Sounds like they help! The shipping from Polk is a bit delayed at the moment due to them moving....

[Toolfan66]

Here is my system so far, Looking forward to my pre getting here.




http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g82/KIDROCK66/SDASRS12TLPICS027.jpg

[lightman1]

Larry, I want to give birth to your future children.

[dane_peterson]

Pure SEX! So jealous.

[cnh]

Looks great Larry!

So what is it that the spikes do to improve the sound? Decouple the box from the floor so as to eliminate internal reverberations? I can't think of anything else, myself. Especially since it looks like that series was designed to sit on the floor.

It also makes sense that basement concrete would deaden, absorb any internal SWs. I'm going to be setting mine up in a basement so I'm assuming I'm OK?

cnh

[Toolfan66]

Looks great Larry!

So what is it that the spikes do to improve the sound? Decouple the box from the floor so as to eliminate internal reverberations? I can't think of anything else, myself. Especially since it looks like that series was designed to sit on the floor.

It also makes sense that basement concrete would deaden, absorb any internal SWs. I'm going to be setting mine up in a basement so I'm assuming I'm OK?

cnh

The 1.2/tl's , 2.3/tl's came with leveling feet, I am sure the 3.1's, and 1C's did as well.

I am sure the spikes did eliminate internal reverberations, It was Night and day in sound though.

I can not stress this enough, If i was you I would spike them, Listen to them for awhile then put spikes on them, and see for your self at the improvment.

It is a big change, One tweek i would fully recommend for everyone that has not tried it.

Thanks for the kind words guys.

(Lightman1, I hope your a female ;) )

Larry.

[nooshinjohn]

fyi... the 1c's did not come with leveling feet, at least mine did not... I am going after a pair of 3.1's today and will let you know on those

[Toolfan66]

fyi... the 1c's did not come with leveling feet, at least mine did not... I am going after a pair of 3.1's today and will let you know on those

Thanks John,

I wasnt sure on the 1C's let me know on the 3.1's

[zarrdoss]

Here is my system so far, Looking forward to my pre getting here.




http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g82/KIDROCK66/SDASRS12TLPICS027.jpg

Very F**king nice Larry

Great job! The brass looks much better altogether, you should try some stainless high polish for shits and grins.

[Shocked One]

Here is my system so far, Looking forward to my pre getting here.


By "pre" are you referring to a "pre"-amp of some kind, or the new Palm "Pre" cell phone from Sprint?

[nooshinjohn]

Thanks John,

I wasnt sure on the 1C's let me know on the 3.1's
those 3.1's are already spoken for by Leroy...:(

[Toolfan66]

those 3.1's are already spoken for by Leroy...:(

I think leroy is wanting a set of each SDA made.:p

I don't blame him.

[Toolfan66]

By "pre" are you referring to a "pre"-amp of some kind, or the new Palm "Pre" cell phone from Sprint?


PreAmp baby!! Adcom GFP-715.

[VR3]

Quick - let me switch to my other tab to get on my sprint forum.

;)

Awesome upgrades dude.

[Toolfan66]

Well with my 1C's done I have already started to take these 1.2tl's apart again for one last time. I have pulled the side panels off and pulled the old grill cloth off and the strip of wood. Pulling them off was not as bad as I thought it might be. Thanks to DK's thread on the process.

I am going to complete them as I did the 1C's. I ordered the oak wood for the wood caps and side strip's, should have it next week, I also ordered some BlackHole for the back walls, and some Sonic Barrier for the side walls, I am also replacing the binding post with cardas. I am replacing the SDA interconnect socket with bindding post as well like I did on the 1C's

My plan is to have the wood match the 1C's. The nice thing is half the upgrades have been done.. I would just remove the top binding posts like DK did but part of me still wants to try and byamp them some day.

Refurbing these speakers is a blast.

Larry.

[hearingimpared]

Well with my 1C's done I have already started to take these 1.2tl's apart again for one last time. I have pulled the side panels off and pulled the old grill cloth off and the strip of wood. Pulling them off was not as bad as I thought it might be. Thanks to DK's thread on the process.

I am going to complete them as I did the 1C's. I ordered the oak wood for the wood caps and side strip's, should have it next week, I also ordered some BlackHole for the back walls, and some Sonic Barrier for the side walls, I am also replacing the binding post with cardas. I am replacing the SDA interconnect socket with bindding post as well like I did on the 1C's
My plan is to have the wood match the 1C's. The nice thing is half the upgrades have been done.. I would just remove the top binding posts like DK did but part of me still wants to try and byamp them some day.

Refurbing these speakers is a blast.

Larry.

Awesome Larry! But be careful about replacing the SDA interconnect socket. I was going to do that but was warned that in doing so, if I ever purchased a non-common ground amp, I wouldn't be able to use the AI-1 cables if I did replace the socket with posts. Lo and behold I got a non-common ground amp and used the AI-1 cable with Raife's baked potato tweek.

Then there is of course, if you ever decide to buy a non-common ground amp, you can make Raife's dreadknot and use the posts.

[Toolfan66]

What would be the difference in using the pin or a banana??
Can someone elaborate?

[hearingimpared]

What would be the difference in using the pin or a banana??
Can someone elaborate?

I'm not sure what you are asking here Larry. Do you mean removing the plug off the end of the AI-1 and replacing the pin and blade with bananas?

[Toolfan66]

Well I will be taking the pin/blade socket out and instaling a binding post. Now if I was to use a non common ground amp with an AI-1, the binding post should not matter. I'm sure DK has his set up that way.

Edit: I see you posted about using the dreadknot. We are on the same page, I have no desire in using the AI-1 anyway. I want to build a Dreadknot if I ever use a amp I can't tie the negs together.

[hearingimpared]

Well I will be taking the pin/blade socket out and instaling a binding post. Now if I was to use a non common ground amp with an AI-1, the binding post should not matter. I'm sure DK has his set up that way.

Edit: I see you posted about using the dreadknot. We are on the same page, I have no desire in using the AI-1 anyway. I want to build a Dreadknot if I ever use a amp I can't tie the negs together.

Well then have at the Cardas posts Larry! I replaced my stock binding posts with the Cardas posts and am very happy with them. One word of advice though. You need to cut the holes in the back plate for the Cardas posts in a somewhat oval shape because the plastic seats that hold the posts in place will just spin in a round hole. Jesse did mine and started with a small hole the used very fine, very small files to rasp the holes to the proper shape.

Another tip here is that my Cardas posts didn't come with color coding on them. Jesse placed a red pinstripe on the positives and a black pinstripe the negatives. I don't know if Cardas has started color coding their posts so if they didn't the above works just fine.

You are going to love those posts.

[george daniel]

When I had my Dreadnaught and modded binding posts,, the blade (-) cable connects to the negative binding posts and the pin cable from the dreadnaught connects to the now upgraded pin/binding post.Worked like a charm.One important tidbit that I discovered was to use a good quality/guage cable such as in DK's original post.Good luck with your upgrade,,I wonder how many sheets of the blackhole it's gonna' take.:)

[hearingimpared]

When I had my Dreadnaught and modded binding posts,, the blade (-) cable connects to the negative binding posts and the pin cable from the dreadnaught connects to the now upgraded pin/binding post.Worked like a charm.One important tidbit that I discovered was to use a good quality/guage cable such as in DK's original post.Good luck with your upgrade,,I wonder how many sheets of the blackhole it's gonna' take.:)

I'm waiting with my mouth open for the answer to that question.:)

[Toolfan66]

I'm waiting with my mouth open for the answer to that question.:)

4 sheets is enough to do the back walls but I ordered 5

Joe I knew we were spelling Dreadnaught wrong last night, I know I'm not the best at spelling or typing for that matter but this is a shame.. LOL :)

[hearingimpared]

4 sheets is enough to do the back walls but I ordered 5

Joe I knew we were spelling Dreadnaught wrong last night, I know I'm not the best at spelling or typing for that matter but this is a shame.. LOL :)

Yeah I keep making that same mistake over and over again. It's a disease I tell ya!:D

BTW thanks for the info on the Blackholes.

[Toolfan66]

Well the oak wood I got for the sides is 3.500 wide, the original was 3.125
The thickness I got was .750 so I had them plane it down to .500 as that is the thickness of the original.

With the new sides being .375 wider then the original I took the router and opened the slot to accommodate the wider oak side.

In this pic you can see the difference.
http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/12tlsidepanels006.jpg
In this pic you can see where I used the router and opened up the slot.
http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/12tlsidepanels011.jpg
http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/12tlsidepanels010.jpg
http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/12tlsidepanels013.jpg
http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/12tlsidepanels012-1.jpg

[Toolfan66]

Naked pics.:p


http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/12tlsidepanels005.jpg
http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/12tlsidepanels004.jpg
http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/12tlsidepanels003.jpg


Auston Hardwoods said my 8 foot plank for the caps should be done by Thursday. In the mean time I will get the sides, and grills done..

[hearingimpared]

A man possessed!:D Looking good Larry.

[Toolfan66]

A man possessed!:D Looking good Larry.

Your telling me!!! Joe after I got the 1C's done I had to do the 1.2tl's..

[Toolfan66]

:cool: Ready to dig in now.. BlackHole, Sonic Barrier, Cardas Binding posts..

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/12TLUPGRADES001.jpg
http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/12TLUPGRADES003.jpg
http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/12TLUPGRADES002.jpg
http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/12TLUPGRADES005.jpg
http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/12TLUPGRADES004.jpg

[leroyjr1]

I don't see any completed end caps yet.:)

[Toolfan66]

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/12TLUPGRADES006.jpg


Picked up my Oak wood for the top and bottom caps.

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/12TLUPGRADES010.jpg
http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/12TLUPGRADES009.jpg

and here are my Oak sides ready to be installed..

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/12TLUPGRADES008.jpg

[Toolfan66]

I don't see any completed end caps yet.:)

Coming soon!!!:D

[hearingimpared]

Wow just wow!

[Toolfan66]

Wow just wow!


haha!!! Just call me crazy..:p

[hearingimpared]

Crazy like a fox!

[Toolfan66]

Well You guys have seen my rings in the other thread I am using for the drivers and passives.

Well I have been been a busy bee all morning and now into the afternoon so I'm taking a break for a few but you guys know me and my picture show..LOL:p

So here are a couple more. as you can see I have put in the BlackHole and Sonic Barrier on the walls. I have also added some extra cross bracing to the side walls. I used 1 3/4 round Oak dowels, I put 3 in each cabnet. Now to move on to the wood caps here in a few..

Just wanted to share my progress, You now may move on to your daily programing.

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/bracing005.jpg

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/bracing001.jpg

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/bracing002.jpg

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/bracing006.jpg

[ben62670]

Very nice. The sound is suposed to come from the drivers, and not the cabinets;)

[Toolfan66]

Very nice. The sound is suposed to come from the drivers, and not the cabinets;)

LOL your a riot!!! but I still love ya...;)

[Face]

very nice. The sound is suposed to come from the drivers, and not the cabinets;)

qft. :d

[Toolfan66]

This took me some time to do today...

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/UpgradeinsideSDA12tl003.jpg

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/UpgradeinsideSDA12tl002.jpg

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/UpgradeinsideSDA12tl001.jpg

[Toolfan66]

And I am done for the day... LOL

[Toolfan66]

qft. :d

:confused: huh??

[dane_peterson]

You are a patient man... I really hope you find a notable improvement from all that dampening. I'd have lost my mind by now!

[george daniel]

Eh,,just got back from a show in Atlanta,, what happened to Larry,,banned?

[FTGV]

Eh,,just got back from a show in Atlanta,, what happened to Larry,,banned?Not sure just noticed the red letters myself.:confused:

[Face]

:confused: huh??
QFT=Quoted For Truth=Quite X#(&^$# True

[vmaxer]

Eh,,just got back from a show in Atlanta,, what happened to Larry,,banned?


Man, I am lost...Why is he banned?? A very good member:confused:

[Lasareath]

He used way too much dampening material inside SDA's which can get you banned. I don't think that's too harsh!

[hearingimpared]

Man, I am lost...Why is he banned?? A very good member:confused:

IMHO he's been brought under the mods microscope by another member.:( and stepped over the line one to many times. Bummer, he's is one of the most helpful, generous, contributing members we have.

[george daniel]

IMHO he's been brought under the mods microscope by another member.:( and stepped over the line one to many times. Bummer, he's is one of the most helpful, generous, contributing members we have.

Okay,, but can you point me to where he went over the line please. He has some very good threads at the moment and I would hate to see members deprived of his SDA upgrades.

[vmaxer]

Okay,, but can you point me to where he went over the line please. He has some very good threads at the moment and I would hate to see members deprived of his SDA upgrades.

+1,000,000

He sure has contributed a lot here. I hope they reverse this!!!

[hearingimpared]

Okay,, but can you point me to where he went over the line please. He has some very good threads at the moment and I would hate to see members deprived of his SDA upgrades.

I don't know where he stepped over. It's just a short, temporary ban so he'll be back soon.

[george daniel]

hopefully he'll take it in stride and continue with the upgrade threads/posts

[hearingimpared]

hopefully he'll take it in stride and continue with the upgrade threads/posts

Me too! Those mounting rings he made for the drivers and PRs is an awesome idea. My PRs screw holes are all stripped out and the MW screw mounts are pushed towards the inside. Those rings would sure be a God send plus they make the Mortite fit tighter.

[george daniel]

The mounting rings seem like a great idea, must be nice to have those wonderful toys.:)

[DarqueKnight]

Well You guys have seen my rings in the other thread I am using for the drivers and passives.

Larry, those rings are pure genious. I want a set if you decide to start selling them!


So here are a couple more. as you can see I have put in the BlackHole and Sonic Barrier on the walls. I have also added some extra cross bracing to the side walls. I used 1 3/4 round Oak dowels, I put 3 in each cabnet.

I have some concern about the extra sound coating and bracing because they may actually work against the acoustic properties of the cabinet. Did you discuss any of this with Polk's engineering department?

I say this because the SDA 1.2 and SDA 1.2TL cabinets were redesigned to drastically reduce resonance though the use of a "monocoque" structure wherein the rigidity is derived from the external casing rather than internal bracing. [Reference: Monocoque-Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monocoque)]

Adding internal bracing or adding bracing in a less than ideal location might actually reduce the resonance reduction properties of the monocoque cabinet sturcture.

It appears that the thick, soft sound coating materials (Black Hole and Sonic Barrier), which are much denser than polyfil, are changing the interior dimensions of the cabinet and providing a large absorptive surface for air. Therefore, rather than air pressure being channeled through smooth, hard interior walls and efficiently transferred to the "fluid coupled" passive radiator, some of that air pressure is now going to be transferred to the thick padding. I would think the result of this would be diminished bass impact and speed.

The textured surface of the sound coatings may also induce more air turbulence inside the cabinet, which would affect the response of the drivers and the passive radiator.

[F1nut]

Larry, those rings are pure genious. I want a set if you decide to start selling them!


Me too!


Raife, I agree with your thoughts about the sound coating and extra bracing.

[Conradicles]

Why in the crap did Larry get banned?

[Face]

Sonic Barrier really doesn't displace much. To get an idea of how much air it displaces, if you step on it, most of it's depth disappears.

Sonic Barrier and Black Hole don't do much for cabinet resonance as they do for standing waves. Poly fill is only good for high frequencies. SB and BH are much more effective for mid and low frequencies, preventing them from reflecting off the back wall and through the cone again(distortion). In turn, you should experience more coherency, better defined images and possibly a larger soundstage.

[FTGV]

SB and BH are much more effective for mid and low frequencies, preventing them from reflecting off the back wall and through the cone again(distortion).I would think with it's density most effectivness is in the mids.As long as there is no hi density stuffing restricting airflow from the backwave of the woofers to the PR,then it's operastion / tuning should be unaffected.

[reeltrouble1]

I am pretty sure that is why in the end you have to listen to things, not sure, but pretty sure, that you have to listen to be sure that is.

we know that fluid always seeks the path of least resistance

so what??? he said dirty light bulb too someone....shame

RT1

[Lasareath]

He used way too much dampening material inside SDA's which can get you banned. I don't think that's too harsh!


Larry,

I was only kidding around, you are a Very Cool Polkie and we can't wait for your bann to be over. Don't fret over it, it happens to the best of us!

Sal

[george daniel]

Look at it this way,, now he has time to finish the project and post the outcome.;)

[hearingimpared]

Look at it this way,, now he has time to finish the project and post the outcome.;)

LOL! That is exactly what he told me today on the telephone. He's definitely taking it in stride.

[Vette C6.r]

Great ideas and pics.

I'm hopeful for your return Larry.

[Toolfan66]

Here are some pics of my Binding posts. I will be putting up some pics today to catch up after being Banned for a few days..

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/PolkUpgrades12tl002.jpg

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/PolkUpgrades12tl004.jpg

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/PolkUpgrades12tl006.jpg

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/PolkUpgrades12tl008.jpg

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/PolkUpgrades12tl009.jpg

[leroyjr1]

What kind of speaker cable are you going with for the innerconnect? Wonder if matching speaker cable and innerconect would be the best bet.

[Toolfan66]

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/PolkUpgrades12tl052.jpg

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/PolkUpgrades12tl050.jpg

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/PolkUpgrades12tl051.jpg

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/PolkUpgrades12tl053.jpg

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/PolkUpgrades12tl055.jpg

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/PolkUpgrades12tl049.jpg

[Toolfan66]

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/PolkUpgrades12tl059.jpg

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/PolkUpgrades12tl057.jpg

Old cap

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/PolkUpgrades12tl060.jpg

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/PolkUpgrades12tl056.jpg

[Toolfan66]

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/PolkUpgrades12tl062.jpg

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/PolkUpgrades12tl063.jpg

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/PolkUpgrades12tl064.jpg

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/PolkUpgrades12tl065.jpg

[Toolfan66]

What kind of speaker cable are you going with for the innerconnect? Wonder if matching speaker cable and innerconect would be the best bet.

I will be using a cable Ben sent me with AQ bananas.

[Toolfan66]

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/PolkUpgrades12tl067.jpg

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/PolkUpgrades12tl068.jpg

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/PolkUpgrades12tl069.jpg

[Toolfan66]

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/PolkUpgrades12tl075.jpg

[Toolfan66]

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/PolkUpgrades12tl214.jpg

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/PolkUpgrades12tl215.jpg

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/PolkUpgrades12tl213.jpg

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/PolkUpgrades12tl212.jpg

[Toolfan66]

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/PolkUpgrades12tl219.jpg

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/PolkUpgrades12tl220.jpg

[Toolfan66]

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/PolkUpgrades12tl222.jpg

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/PolkUpgrades12tl221.jpg

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/PolkUpgrades12tl226.jpg

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/PolkUpgrades12tl223.jpg

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu233/BLACKFRIDAY6TY6/PolkUpgrades12tl227.jpg

[Toolfan66]

Humm I need a better camera, sitting here looking at these pictures, and looking at them with my own eyes, these pics don't do any justice...

[dane_peterson]

They still look INCREDIBLE. Great work Larry... I'm quite jealous!!

Where did you have the endcaps made? I have a friend who works with a CNC machine... is that the best option for things like this?

[Toolfan66]

They still look INCREDIBLE. Great work Larry... I'm quite jealous!!

Where did you have the endcaps made? I have a friend who works with a CNC machine... is that the best option for things like this?


I made them my self, I had Auston Hardwoods here in town make me a
1" X 13.125 X 8' long and I cut them, sanded them, and finished them all here in my garage.

Thank You!!!!

Larry.

[Shocked One]

Larry, You never cease to amaze me with your attention to detail! Awesome work!

[Toolfan66]

"OK" I finished them about an hour ago. I talked with Jesse today about his concerns with the Sonic Barrier and BlackHole. and in turn had me second guessing my decision in going about it, all though I know what the 1C's have been sounding like.

My thinking is you won't really know till you try it "RIGHT?" and that is part of the hobby as well.

Well I just played a few songs a variety of sorts, and right know I have the biggest smile on my face as these bad boys "FREAKING ROCK" they are absolutly increadable. I will do some more testing tomorrow as I listen to some other music for testing. But right now I want the day off to play.. The wife said she will keep it in good hands while I'm at work even she was very pleased how they sound and look now.. :)

[Conradicles]

The wife said she will keep it in good hands while I'm at work even she was very pleased how they sound and look now.. :)

Tell your wife she is "da bomb".:)

Nice work!

[Shocked One]

I will do some more testing tomorrow as I listen to some other music for testing. But right now I want the day off to play..


Give me a call if you want an extra pair of ears to help sort things out in the listening session!

[Toolfan66]

Give me a call if you want an extra pair of ears to help sort things out in the listening session!

Yep you need to come over now Benny..

[Shocked One]

Yep you need to come over now Benny..

I'm calling you right now... :D

[Toolfan66]

Tell your wife she is "da bomb".:)

Nice work!

She is I told her I would do something special for her for letting me do my thing day after day to get them done.

I will say this, if your looking at doing a full refurb like this plan on having the time to do so. I bet I have at least 60 hours in them.:eek:

[Shocked One]

It's going straight to Voice Mail. Do you have your cell phone on?

[Toolfan66]

I'm calling you right now... :D


Call me tomorrow Benny.. I have the phone charging in the basement..

[george daniel]

somebody's been busy--lookin' good,:),how are the 1C's sounding with the blackhole/damping?

[hearingimpared]

Incredible work Larry. They are beautiful.

Now the question remains, Blackholes or no Blackholes in the 1.2TLs? I know Jesse has some concerns about the Blackholes deadening the sound too much and the speakers sounding lifeless and dull.

[Face]

The curmudgeon should try it for himself. :D

[hearingimpared]

The curmudgeon should try it for himself. :D

:p:p:p:p:p:p:p I would love to however, moola restrictions cause me to want to know how they worked out for someone else before saving up the pennies to do so.

Curmudgeon WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!:p

[geoff727]

Larry.....glad you're back, and posting some great stuff, once again! This is what keeps the inspiration going!!

I'll say it one more time, I am really looking forward to seeing/listening to your handiwork when I come to Denver this fall.

Geoff

[Face]

They look "better than new"! Enjoy!

[Toolfan66]

I bet these went from 185lb's to 210lb's ea.:D

[Fongolio]

Those are dead sexy Larry. Great work!

[hearingimpared]

I bet these went from 185lb's to 210lb's ea.:D

WOW the Blackholes are that heavy?:eek:

[Toolfan66]

WOW the Blackholes are that heavy?:eek:


You could knock someone out with it..;)

[hearingimpared]

You could knock someone out with it..;)

Wow maybe the cops will start using it instead of phone books during interogations!!!!:eek::D

I guess the shipping on them is pretty high then.

[nduitch]

Nice work, those thing look sick!

Any listening time yet?