Good deal for this sub?

[strife1013]

I have a sub coming in the mail a Polk Audio 12" 505 (in sig) and ran across this CL ad. Should I keep my new sub which comes in tom... or should I get this one?
http://cosprings.craigslist.org/ele/1233320047.html

[Knucklehead]

get both.......

[strife1013]

I doubt my AVR will support 2 subs.

[concealer404]

They're both powered, the AVR doesn't have to. Just run a Y-cable.

[Knucklehead]

Sure it will, just use a "Y" cable....I have the Pio-816 and I run 2 PSW10 subs, sounds great with my set-up. If you decide to try it, I have a "Y" cable Ill send you, no charge. just let me know.:)

[strife1013]

So should I run 2 subs? What's the benefits of that besides too much bass (maybe too much) you don't think that PSW505 will be enough on it's own?

[Knucklehead]

well, first let me say 2 subs isnt too much with my system, granted each of my subs are only 50 watts each but I get a nice even bass tone during movies throughout the room. I guess depending on your room size 2 subs of that caliber may or may not be overkill. For example: The movie U571 where depth charges are being dropped, I get some pretty decent response from my subs where as with only 1 PSW10 I would be wanting more. I personally dont think it would be too much. Ya never know, you might love it..

[strife1013]

I'll keep that in mind, right now I'm kinda looking to add an amp, I heard my AVR doesn't support it, not sure which components I would need and not sure as too where or what kind of amp to get for my system.

[concealer404]

So should I run 2 subs? What's the benefits of that besides too much bass (maybe too much) you don't think that PSW505 will be enough on it's own?

You can always tune out some bass. It's more of a response/fullness thing for me. I run dual Omni S8s in my HT setup. One was fine. Two was better. :D

[Knucklehead]

Thats strange that your AVR doesnt have pre-outs:confused:, my 816 does.

[strife1013]

It might, I would have to look, what do they look like?

[Matt34]

It might, I would have to look, what do they look like?

http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/Images/YEC/AV_Receivers/Views/PV_htr6150_rear.jpg

Bottom, middle of the receiver in the multi-channel group one RCA jack labled "subwoofer". In some receivers it's in the pre-out section.

I would stick with the Polk and get a second one of the same model later on. It's difficult to get two different subs with different frequency responses to work well together.

[thuffman03]

So should I run 2 subs? What's the benefits of that besides too much bass (maybe too much) you don't think that PSW505 will be enough on it's own?

No such thing as too much base.

[strife1013]

http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/Images/YEC/AV_Receivers/Views/PV_htr6150_rear.jpg

Bottom, middle of the receiver in the multi-channel group one RCA jack labled "subwoofer". In some receivers it's in the pre-out section.

I would stick with the Polk and get a second one of the same model later on. It's difficult to get two different subs with different frequency responses to work well together.

This is so i could hook up an amp?

[Marty913]

This is so i could hook up an amp?

Here's a receiver with the pre-outs identified. They would be where you plugged in RCA cables connected to an external amplifier (one or more). Typically in a 7.1 channel receiver there would be 7 pre-out plus a subwoofer output. SOme receivers have multi-channel inputs (for things like Bluray players), some receivers have pre-out jacks for external amplifiers, and some have both.

[Knucklehead]

nope....I dont think your model has pre-outs.

[strife1013]

I should have the sub hooked up to where it says subwoofer pre-out?

[Midnite Mick]

deleted....misinterpreted someones response.

[Knucklehead]

I should have the sub hooked up to where it says subwoofer pre-out?

yessir!

[strife1013]

Thanks they where I have had it hooked up too. So if I had a Y cable I would hook up both subs to it?

[Knucklehead]

that is correct.

[strife1013]

Well I get my 12" PSW 505 today and will hook it up and see how well it does on it's own, from the specs on it it should blow away my Sony one I have right now. I can't wait! I think I will upgrade my AVR sometime soon, as I don't get HDMI audio and from the looks of it I can't hook up an external amp to it, any suggestions on a new AVR and amp?

[TECHNOKID]

Well I get my 12" PSW 505 today and will hook it up and see how well it does on it's own, from the specs on it it should blow away my Sony one I have right now. I can't wait! I think I will upgrade my AVR sometime soon, as I don't get HDMI audio and from the looks of it I can't hook up an external amp to it, any suggestions on a new AVR and amp?Just to better understand your needs; why do you want to hook-up an external amplifier?

[strife1013]

Techokid

Wouldn't hooking up an external amp add more cleaner power to my speakers, i.e. better sound? Or am I just kinda throwing money out the door with that?

As for the sub, just got it connected and it sounds really good for far. Just played a few Eminem songs and a trailer haven't gotten to movies or anything where things blow up will do that with Generation Kill tonight. =)

I do know that if I'm gonna add another sub it would be the same kind; as Polk Audio has from what I read good warranties, 5 year ya and apart from that it matches my set up real well, silver and black and sounds great. Also finding it at 250 isn't bad either, don't know if it's gonna stay at that price or what.....

Also quick question about settings for my sub, for phase should I have it at 0 or 180 degrees? And for the low pass should be at 60,90 or 120 Hz?? Not sure what those 2 settings do.

[Knucklehead]

I think what Techno is trying to say is, with your current speakers (which are good speakers) you really don't need external amplification. You have a nice receiver there, unless you plan on upgrading your speakers I would just keep it. As for the phase setting it assures your sub is in phase with the rest of your speakers, play something with a lot of bass and try both settings, youll know which setting is correct by listening to the bass. I think my subs are set at around 80, i believe thats a good starting point.

[TECHNOKID]

Well I get my 12" PSW 505 today and will hook it up and see how well it does on it's own, from the specs on it it should blow away my Sony one I have right now. I can't wait! I think I will upgrade my AVR sometime soon, as I don't get HDMI audio and from the looks of it I can't hook up an external amp to it, any suggestions on a new AVR and amp?


I think what Techno is trying to say is, with your current speakers (which are good speakers) you really don't need external amplification. You have a nice receiver there, unless you plan on upgrading your speakers I would just keep it. As for the phase setting it assures your sub is in phase with the rest of your speakers, play something with a lot of bass and try both settings, youll know which setting is correct by listening to the bass. I think my subs are set at around 80, i believe thats a good starting point.As far as HDMI goes, I wouldn't rush out there for this just yet. Component should do the trick for now. HDMI is still playing YOYO with consumers... read the thread on the new HDMI 1.4. I agree with Knucklehead, you do have a nice receiver and you shouldn't upgrade until you decide to upgrade your speakers. Pre-outs, external amps are usually for the better but one should think pre when originally buying his amp (future proofing) not as an upgrade on its own. Of course if you are upgrading speakers and the Rx isn't sufficient anymore, this is a different story and you would do such slowly step by step in accordance to your budget. Right now, you have a great receiver which is quite sufficient for your speaker needs. Clean power is a good thing and is not solely reluing on separate but ratter on quality... which will usually be found on good quality seperates but clean power also exist in quality receivers.

Cheers!
TK

[strife1013]

thank you for the info. I guess when I do upgrade the AVR it will be when HDMI 1.4 comes out, I guess I won't replace it for a few years as it's still under warranty at Best Buy. As for the speakers those are my upgrade, I just bought all of these new speakers this month so yeah, not getting new ones for quite awhile. They are way better than the sony bookshelf speakers I had.

[bassfann]

you can never have two many subs

[kawizx9r]

you can never have two many subs

+1 bassfann

I'm running 4 actually and explosions, cars crashing, everything just comes alive in movies like Ironman, Godzilla, Transformers and more. You can never have too many subs, for HT ideally you should have 4 for even tone throughout the room.

[cnh]

I can't really disagree except that I would always feel like my HT room were just a big-a$$ed car stereo system rolling past my house--with its trunk full of 12" woofers and 1000s and 1000s of watts of power--here I come BOOM. BOOM..BOOM...I'd be waiting for me to pass by and I wouldn't. Of course I'm just yanking your chain...K...

That's just not for me.

[kawizx9r]

Haha it's cool. It'd be one thing to set all the subwoofers up loud, listening to "rap" and trying to get the cops called on me, but it's something else when you calibrate your subs to blend in seamlessly with your system and have perfect response throughout your room. Also love the width setting on my avr for my center channel, makes my "sweet spot" larger than it normally would be.

[dekuda]

I am running a PSW505 (12 inch) in one corner and a Mirage Omni 10s in the other corner and it sounds great.Was better than only 1 sub. Like Knuclehead said you get nice even bass and you get fullness in your room. My room though is 20ftx20ft so in a small room you may not need it. But I agree,you can never have too much bass!

[TECHNOKID]

Here is an interesting article from cnet:
Four subs, located at the midpoint of each wall will produce even smoother bass response throughout the room.

And yes, two decent 10-inch subs, properly placed can deliver higher quality bass than one 12-inch sub. Two $600 subs can sound better than one $1200 sub.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13645_3-10026083-47.html As I pointed out, placement is critical since poor placement may simply cancell each others signal. However, I believe the more speakers is much better than larger or more powerfull ones as it evens and smoothens the sound through the room. I do believe the same would apply for subwoofers. However, like cnh I wouldn't want my HT room to ressemble or sound like the BOOM BOOM of a car with overpowered BOOM BOX in a small mobile enclosure! However, to each and everyone's taste I guess.


Setting subwoofer volume is next. Precisely matching the volume levels of the left, center, right, and surround speakers is important, but bass volume is more subjective. Some folks like to feel the sub working the room all the time--and some prefer to only hear the sub's contributions with big special effects driven movies or dance music. A Sound Level Meter (such as Radio Shack's Model 33-4050) can be a big help when setting speaker level, but it's nearly useless for determining the sub's correct volume level. The "by ear" method works best.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13645_3-9936409-47.html?tag=mncol;txt

Cheers!
TK

[Zeros]

you can never have two many subs

+2 I couldn't agree more!