If I sold my 607 for 400 and added 600

[slowpolky]

If I sold my 607 for $ 400 how much more will I pay for a higher end audio system What if I only added 600 , what kind of quality can I expect

I was never into music , just movies but now my system has changed .I owned csi3 ,rti6 and fxi3 . With the advice of cp I swapped out the csi3 for the csi5 and added rti8 towers .

If I get somthing new will my speakers sound even better and make me fall in love with polks all over again .I could save up an extra 600 If its really really worth it bringing a limit of 1600 to the table

I want to get this right , would somthing like a rotel 1560 be good . I would rather by a better separate surround pro with a cheaper amp till I saved for a better amp later on

[ahorvitz]

If I sold my 607 for $ 400 how much more will I pay for a higher end audio system What if I only added 600 , what kind of quality can I expect

I was never into music , just movies but now my system has changed .I owned csi3 ,rti6 and fxi3 . With the advice of cp I swapped out the csi3 for the csi5 and added rti8 towers .

If I get somthing new will my speakers sound even better and make me fall in love with polks all over again .I could save up an extra 600 If its really really worth it bringing a limit of 1600 to the table

I want to get this right , would somthing like a rotel 1560 be good . I would rather by a better separate surround pro with a cheaper amp till I saved for a better amp later on

What???

[slowpolky]

If I had 1600 for separates what could I find to drive 7 channels

[slowpolky]

processor with hdmi being the main concern

[jimmydep]

Here's a link, just get one of these and all your problems will be solved

http://www.amazon.com/Bose-Lifestyle-28-III-Entertainment/dp/B000HX2MQA/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1247604269&sr=1-14

[slowpolky]

awesome lol , but that 400 dollars beyond the budget

[Retro152]

If I sold my 607 for $ 400 how much more will I pay for a higher end audio system What if I only added 600 , what kind of quality can I expect

I was never into music , just movies but now my system has changed .I owned csi3 ,rti6 and fxi3 . With the advice of cp I swapped out the csi3 for the csi5 and added rti8 towers .

If I get somthing new will my speakers sound even better and make me fall in love with polks all over again .I could save up an extra 600 If its really really worth it bringing a limit of 1600 to the table

I want to get this right , would somthing like a rotel 1560 be good . I would rather by a better separate surround pro with a cheaper amp till I saved for a better amp later on

Im biased, but jump on one of the Pioneer Elite model's, 05,07. Would think one of those should bring your "crappy" Polk's back to life.:rolleyes: If you feel you need external help, plenty of quality used gear out there.

[slowpolky]

I wana to avoid the whole receiver thing after the onkyo is gone.

[nguyendot]

Your only option honestly is used.....

HDMI in separates will cost more than you can afford.

You need to choose something and stick to it for a while. You are hopping all over the board and not really taking the time to enjoy and learn it.

[billbillw]

Pretty good deal on the Onkyo Pre-Pro at shoponkyo.com, but amps will cost you plenty more. You'd be near impossible to find any HDMI separates for the price you mentioned. You might consider upgrading to one of Onkyo's bigger receivers. I love my SR805.

[slowpolky]

Sorry guys ,used gear is what I want

One option I can think of is a rotel 1069 for 900 . I could just pair it with a emo 7 channel for 600 or a better used one for around that price

nguy ,this change wont happen util the end of august .

[Retro152]

"What we have here is...failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week, which is the way he want's it...well, he get's it. I dont like it any more than you men".:rolleyes:

[apphd]

Your only option honestly is used.....

HDMI in separates will cost more than you can afford.

You need to choose something and stick to it for a while. You are hopping all over the board and not really taking the time to enjoy and learn it.

+1

It might be harder to get $400 for the 607 than you think, even though I don't think you are really off. It's just you can buy one new for $440. Granted that's from some unknown web dealers, but you are an unknown to most prospective buyers. So they may think if I'm going to take a chance used, might as well take a chance on new for 40 more. It all depends on how bad they want it.

You might want to take nguyendots advice and hold off for a while. Do some serious listening so you can pick out what you do not like about the Onk and want to improve on specifically. Then come back with what you would like to improve on and get suggestions from there.

[slowpolky]

My only think I dont love is the clarity of dialogue .I thought the csi5 would sole this problem

All I want is clarity in the speech during a movie at the lowest possible volume .I have been reading that separates is the best way to achieve this

[cnh]

aaphd is right!

What "you" need to think about is using an AVR with pre-outs...Onkyos are OK for that...step up! billbillw is right price to power ratio it's hard to beat the Onkyo TXSR-805 or go even higher. Then if that's not enough power...and with your speaker set it would BE! Consider the Rotel, Emotiva, or an Adcom...etc....you can get good prices on the used market!

What happened to the 4000 dollars for seating. With 4K we could RECOMMEND SOMETHING AWESOME..but you'd have to sit on the floor. If you have your center adjusted properly you shouldn't be having ANY trouble with dialogue....I've run an Onkyo 605 with a CS2 and the center sounded great! So what's up with yours?

Or are we on another merry-go-round here?

cnh

[slowpolky]

I'm gona go hang myself after the spelling mistakes

[AudioGenics]

The amount of money you spend does not guarantee
that your return in sound will improve.

[NJPOLKER]

I'm gona go hang myself after the spelling mistakes

Please do and don't waste any time in doing so.

[ahorvitz]

Have you considered...

www.paramaxaudio.com (http://paramaxaudio.com/)

[Toolfan66]

I say try a set of SDA2's or SDA2B's with a Adcom 555, and a Adcom PRE as a start.

And you will forget all about those RTi8's.

You will have a nice little start on a 2 channel set up for about a grand maybe a little more.

I have yet to play any music on my RTiA9's since I got my set up going.

[slowpolky]

I love the rti8 , I just want clarity of dialogue

[raidersrule76]

I had great clarity out of my cheap Klispch center that I ran for years, I would also recommend checking your settings on your avr, I thinks maybe you do not have it set up right. Just a thought!

[cnh]

There is no way that a CSi5 is not a great HT center...you DEFINITELY need some help with your 'set up'....as mentioned above!

Use the search feature on this site and read your manual MORE thoroughly!

cnh

[nguyendot]

you should check your dynamic range settings. this has a huge effect on dialog at low volumes

[dekuda]

I'm with you cnh,the CSI5 is a great center channel and I love mine. There must be a setup issue or possible something defective :(

[dane_peterson]

Sounds like receiver calibration issues to me.

Why not try a new Pioneer VSX-21TXH ($700 MSRP, probably cheaper in stores when it arrives this month) with a 3-channel amp for the fronts? Loaded with Wolfson, BurrBrown, and preouts. Should fit the bill perfectly.

[nguyendot]

I'm telling you, he needs to learn to use what he has now. No sense in upgrading when you don't have a full grasp of what you already have. You can tell by slowpolky's post on this forum that he has much to learn. Doing this equipment dance without getting accustomed to it will only make it all that more difficult later on.

You gotta crawl before you walk.

[slowpolky]

Here is my thoughts, next summer I want a full lsi setup with the towers , bookshelves and surrounds . Correct me if I'm wrong but they are all 4ohm so I'm gona need somthing to drive them .My friends already want to buy my gear that I'm using . If I sell the receiver in two month to one of them .then I could have 1200 set aside

In the meantime it would be greatly appreciated if you guys could post some threads for me , It would be nice to have a better understanding of how to calibrate my system

If I dont know how to do proper calibration then I wont know what threads I realy should be reading

[kawizx9r]

AVR's nowadays have their own "set yourself up" type calibration that'll include a mic and everything! It should be much easier with newer receivers so I really don't know what it is you're doing wrong to not get "clarity of dialogue" through your current center. Check thoroughly through your AVR's settings/setup, even google it see what you can find on the web or even on this forum. As far as already looking to purchase an entire new system, why are you so worried about how you power/use your current ones now? And how's the home theater seating coming along? Not trying to bash you but some members have requested pics, and I'll be honest I'm curious to see as well, it's why I posted pics of my little 2 channel setup before I even hooked it all up! Really though I'd say put some time in your AVR before deciding to upgrade, I'm running a 6-yrs old Denon and still love it til this day.

[wutadumsn23]

Have you run Auddessy? It is not a cure all, but will give you a place to start, and then you can tweak it from there. I agree with the guys above that the CSi5 is a great center channel. I have a CS2 and it works great in my set-up, after a little tweaking. Check where your crossovers are set on your CSi5, check the "loudness" level and push it up a few notches if you have to. Check to see if it is set to "Full Band" or "Small", check to see what your speaker distance is set to. The Owners Manual for your Onk will have all those things listed in there, and the "On Screen Interface" with the Onk's is very well setup and easy to use in my experience. Also make sure your center is in a good spot, do you have it hidden, up to high, sitting on the floor etc. We can give you all the advice in the world, but it is up to you to find out how to get the best sound out of your system. Like was posted earlier, I would try to make the system you have now sound it's best before you hurry up and sell it to get in over your head with another setup, just my opinion, esp. with the LSi's. They are quite a power hungry speaker and as you mentioned 4 ohms, so they will require alot more power (and money) to live up to their potential. I am going to attach a link to Dolby Digital's website also so you can get an idea of what they think a 5.1 or 7,1 (whicever one applies) "should" look like. Speaker distance is very important too and you will have to put that in the drop down menu on the DD page before you start. Good luck and be patient the system you have now is very capable of satisfying even the most critical of listeners once it is setup right.


http://www.dolby.com/consumer/home_entertainment/speaker-setup-guide/index.html

[slowpolky]

The pics are coming ,because of the additions of the 2 rti8 I had to change my room to accommodate 7 speakers . The pj screen is a pain and trying to organize the seating so I can view the tv at the same time

[jimmydep]

Slowpolky, You're all over the map here with all different set-ups, equipment, speakers.....SLOW DOWN!!!....like a previous post said "you have to crawl before you walk".

You have decent stuff right now, Learn to set it up correctly, play around with speaker placments....take your time...this is not a race...enjoy the music.

Don't get LSI-15's until you have a handle on the basics, they are sometimes a little tricky to place in a not so perfect room, and then you have the inevitable power problems.

You have some very knowledgeable and experienced guys posting here... LISTEN to what they have to say....you'll be happier in the end, and save some coin too....

Jimmy

[raidersrule76]

+1 Jimmy he does have decent stuff. I loved my rti 8's had them for several years before I decided to upgrade and I agree its been a rough road switching over to the LSI 25's but I am getting a grasp on everything so far and I also still have much to learn but thanks to everyone here its going good so far. So slow try to get everything set the way you want it and I think that you will be very happy with what you have now. Those Rti 8's are great speakers especially for HT I wish I would never have sold mine they would be great in a two channel rig as well. Good luck on everything and oh yea before I forget PICS PICS PICS PICS.


best regards
mark

[Toolfan66]

This is the biggest reason i am not rushing to the TUBE side of the world, I know I still have a lot to learn, and right now I am happy where I am at.

I will get there, at least a TUBE PRE.

The only 2 fast upgrades I will be doing is a CDP, and a BDP if Pioneer will get off there ass so I can check out the new Elite BD. so I can make up my mind on what I want.

After that I am calling it good for a little while, and focus on learning more about what I got.

I have taken in so much this last 6 months. Its time to slow down and learn more about what I have.

Slowpolky you do make it seem like your all over the board here sometimes its hard to tell where you are coming from. I agree you need to learn more about what you have then to jump into something else.

Just jumping into the SDA's was a learning curve for me, and still is.

I have a folder full of things I have printed out off this fourm to go back to. For my SDA's and my HT setup esp. the SC-07.

Take it down a notch, I found my self doing some of the same things you are doing not as extreme but some.

The last few weeks I find myself enjoying what I have more, then looking for the next best thing. I just decided to go a more simple route then jump into something I really know nothing about (TUBES).

Now I have time to just read and look at somethings I will venture into in the future. I want to learn more about them, when I read something about what TUBES are better that some of these guys post it's gibberish to me half the time.

Plus I can put some funds aside till the time comes.

OK i am rambling.

My point is as well as some have said, Take it slow.


Larry.

[jimmydep]

Very well put Larry.......





Jimmy

[kawizx9r]

Hopefully you've taken everyones advice (to include mine) in regards to you keeping your current setup. Not going to beat a dead dog but as mentioned before, get to know your gear before replacing it. Some of us would probably like an update though on how things are working out and how the setup sounds, and that new seating when's it coming in? Wish I could justify spending that much on seating just for HT but that's something to come later in the future, also PICS PICS PICS we want to see!

[cnh]

I'm with Larry,

Even lower....I run an all M-series system M70s/CS2/M30s and a 300 watt Boston A sub...I plan to switch out recievers and run that on an Onkyo 805. For HT in my medium sized room....that's more than LOUD enough. I don''t have a 20 x 20 X 9 or greater MONSTER space. And I find the M70s more 'musical' than most of the RTI series barring the flagship?

For two channel, I have an Adcom 555 and am currently using my second mid-tier AVR...the Denon AVR 2807 as a pre/pro. I have a pair of SDA-2Bs that sound OK....but not as good as the 'raves'. I suspect mods are necessary, and a replacement of the SL2000s. Frankly my JBL (home studio monitors sound better than the SDA's minus their effect--which is inconsistent from recording to recording. The SDAs are a good speaker. But I find you have to BLAST them to really hear their potential. To me that's a bit of a bummer because I don't want to listen to all my music at reference levels? The JBLs titanium tweeter is far superior in detail to SL2000s and they were developed around the same time? That has me wondering what Mr. Polk was thinking when they designed the SL2000. As the JBL was already a far better tweet at that time. With the SL3000 Polk experimented with vapor metal deposit...but JBL was already doing that too? And frankly I still 'prefer' the pure titanium tweet to the vapor deposit titanium....and higher model JBLs did not carry the vapor deposit tweets?

SDAs seem unbelievably 'temperamental' and are VERY difficult to get just right. 3' from each side wall....6-10" from the back wall, at least 4' apart but 8' is better and then YOU NEED more than 8' from the speaks to HEAR the effect! Placement with these is a B...h! You can spend a week or two just trying to get the 'effect' right. All I'm saying is are SDAs worth it? Or are they only good once you've modded all the crossovers with higher end resistors and caps and popped in the RDO-194s/198.

I'm not a solder gun warrior...so I'm not prepared to do all that. So far I can say. SDAs produce nice base and a lot of sound at high volumes but I wouldn't call the sound 'refined'. The balance between mid and highs is not quite as good as my M70s and the SL2000 tweeter is too forward and harsh. The SDA effect is OK when a recording is in sync with that. These speakers don't seem quite as clean as the newer ones...which might indicate that mods are in order. But as I said, it'll probably never happen if that depends on me..My JBLs are 20 years old and they still sound great! No mods are in order and you can play them at low volume and still hear quite a bit of detail from the metal tweeter!

I'm not giving up. But I am being frustrated by all the SDAs 'requirements'! The tolerances are too tight!



cnh

[Ron Temple]

I'm with Larry,

Even lower....I run an all M-series system M70s/CS2/M30s and a 300 watt Boston A sub...I plan to switch out recievers and run that on an Onkyo 805. For HT in my medium sized room....that's more than LOUD enough. I don''t have a 20 x 20 X 9 or greater MONSTER space. And I find the M70s more 'musical' than most of the RTI series barring the flagship?

For two channel, I have an Adcom 555 and am currently using my second mid-tier AVR...the Denon AVR 2807 as a pre/pro. I have a pair of SDA-2Bs that sound OK....but not as good as the 'raves'. I suspect mods are necessary, and a replacement of the SL2000s. Frankly my JBL (home studio monitors sound better than the SDA's minus their effect--which is inconsistent from recording to recording. The SDAs are a good speaker. But I find you have to BLAST them to really hear their potential. To me that's a bit of a bummer because I don't want to listen to all my music at reference levels? The JBLs titanium tweeter is far superior in detail to SL2000s and they were developed around the same time? That has me wondering what Mr. Polk was thinking when they designed the SL2000. As the JBL was already a far better tweet at that time. With the SL3000 Polk experimented with vapor metal deposit...but JBL was already doing that too? And frankly I still 'prefer' the pure titanium tweet to the vapor deposit titanium....and higher model JBLs did not carry the vapor deposit tweets?

SDAs seem unbelievably 'temperamental' and are VERY difficult to get just right. 3' from each side wall....6-10" from the back wall, at least 4' apart but 8' is better and then YOU NEED more than 8' from the speaks to HEAR the effect! Placement with these is a B...h! You can spend a week or two just trying to get the 'effect' right. All I'm saying is are SDAs worth it? Or are they only good once you've modded all the crossovers with higher end resistors and caps and popped in the RDO-194s/198.

I'm not a solder gun warrior...so I'm not prepared to do all that. So far I can say. SDAs produce nice base and a lot of sound at high volumes but I wouldn't call the sound 'refined'. The balance between mid and highs is not quite as good as my M70s and the SL2000 tweeter is too forward and harsh. The SDA effect is OK when a recording is in sync with that. These speakers don't seem quite as clean as the newer ones...which might indicate that mods are in order. But as I said, it'll probably never happen if that depends on me..My JBLs are 20 years old and they still sound great! No mods are in order and you can play them at low volume and still hear quite a bit of detail from the metal tweeter!

I'm not giving up. But I am being frustrated by all the SDAs 'requirements'! The tolerances are too tight!



cnhcnh...you ought to take this post and start a new thread in Vintage. I own a pair of 2Bs and find them an exceptional speaker and I've never been able to place them optimally. I've replaced the tweeters, but even with the SL2000 never ruined the experience for me. They were just a bit uncontrolled and hissy. I doubt if ears even notice the spike at 13K. The effect is inconsistent, it's totally source dependent, but the soundstage will always be appreciably wider than conventional speakers...and the dynamics, slam and weight at even moderate levels make studio recordings sound live. You either have very finicky ears, taste or somethings not right.

I've heard alot of great rigs, but I've never gotten speaker envy since I joined the cult. Sure there are speakers out there that do some things better, but not the entire package.