He's a Jackass!!

[Lasareath]

Obama calls Kanye West a Jackass!!! LOL

http://www.tmz.com/2009/09/15/obama-calls-kanye-a-jackass/


Make sure you vote at the end.

[superjunior]

I must agree with Obama on this one...

[Demiurge]

Obama's white half hates black people.

[blueboxer]

I say kudos for calling it as it is. West is a douche, period.

[JohnLocke88]

Wow... That's amazing. Love it.

And the fly thing...

[janmike]

There's class for you.

[Face]

Way to go! 93%
Inappropriate 7%
Total Votes: 499,669

[nooshinjohn]

I wonder if my agreeing with the president on this makes me a racist...:confused:

[SKsolutions]

It's not a foul comment, and the shoe really fits, so . .

[sTiLlLeArNiNg]

heard it on the new's yesterday, 'bout time people speak the truth :)

[Retro152]

When the President of the United States of America calls you a "jackass"..................well.... Nuff said.:rolleyes:






Pat.

[Lord Vader]

When the President of the United States of America calls you a "jackass"..................well.... Nuff said.:rolleyes:






Pat.

Obi-wan told me a very long time ago in another galaxy, that it takes one to know one.

[MacLeod]

It sure feels good being able to agree with my President for a change. West is a lousy piece of talentless, human debris.

[xj4094dg]

It sure feels good being able to agree with my President for a change. West is a lousy piece of talentless, human debris.

+ 1000. This guy is boring and insignificant. And if Jay Z and Beyonce aren't careful his stench will not wash off of them either. At least they have been able to pose as somewhat mainstream but the term "you are who you hang out with" comes to mind.

I am no fan of rap, hip-hop or whatever its being called these days, but I have to admit, Kanye's meltdown is perhaps the most entertaining and interesting I've seen/heard from him.

My 2 cents....

[Lasareath]

Before that VMA show i didn't even know what this clown looked like!

[snow]

I wonder if my agreeing with the president on this makes me a racist...:confused: Asshats come in all colors religions backgrounds poor and rich. I dont why you would think that thinking and or saying someone is one would make you a racist just because there color is different than yours. Personally I consider myself colorblind and in a perfect world we would all be. Being of a certain color or ethnticity shouldndt define who you are or how others feel about you, your actions should.



REGARDS SNOW

[messiah]

Obama's white half hates black people.

No, you're just a moron for saying something so stupid.

[Keiko]

Obama put it nicely IMO. West is a whiney @$$h0L3.

[messiah]

Obama put it nicely IMO. West is a whiney @$$h0L3.

Agreed.

[cfrizz]

Well stated Snow. I agree 100%

[mantis]

It's not a foul comment, and the shoe really fits, so . .

+1 on that.

[Keiko]

It's not a foul comment...

Not foul at all. Like I said, Obama put it politely.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/jackass

[obieone]

Kanye West is not a jack-ass. He's a GAY FISH!:p

[Demiurge]

No, you're just a moron for saying something so stupid.

You may want to brush up on the context of the joke before you make yourself look a jackass. ;)

[Keiko]

Kanye West is not a jack-ass. He's a GAY FISH!:p

He's a whiney lil beyatch! :p

Welcome back Demi. Good to see you posting again.

[bobman1235]

It's about time I agree with something Obama has said....

;)

[leroyjr1]

West is a lousy piece of talentless, human debris.


Stupid???? Yes

Talentless????? Uh... with Millions of albums sold


I would say he's doing something right. His pockets are very full of $$$$$$$.
If that's talentless sign me up.

[bobman1235]

I wouldn't say he's talentless, it's just that his talent has to do with marketing and image, and nothing to do with "music."

People buy his stuff because of what they think it says about THEM, not for the enjoyment of it. IMHO.

[exalted512]

Asshats come in all colors religions backgrounds poor and rich. I dont why you would think that thinking and or saying someone is one would make you a racist just because there color is different than yours. Personally I consider myself colorblind and in a perfect world we would all be. Being of a certain color or ethnticity shouldndt define who you are or how others feel about you, your actions should.



REGARDS SNOW

Pretty sure that he was playing off the fact that Kanye West has accused MTV and W of being racist.
-Cody

[Demiurge]

Pretty sure that he was playing off the fact that Kanye West has accused MTV and W of being racist.
-Cody

That's about it.

Kanye West is a moron. I assume he's a good 'musician' since he's popular and all within his craft. Although, aside from the fact he's always out there running his mouth off about how people he disagrees with are racist or making a general ass of himself on things he knows nothing about, I wouldn't have a clue who he is.

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It's really funny that this guy who is constantly bitching about race, which really has nothing to do with anything other than in Kanye's own mind, is having it turned around on him.

I also think it's really funny that a guy Kanye loves so much was quoted in what he thought was an off the record remark calling him a jackass.

Having disagreements with people doesn't automatically make it racially motivated, but if you're acustomed to listening to a racist shit for brains like Kanye West, you wouldn't know that.

[Demiurge]

He's a whiney lil beyatch! :p

Welcome back Demi. Good to see you posting again.

Aloha, Keiko. http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m216/Demiurge1000/033.gif

[Pauly]

^^^^^ Forgot about that video.

Good stuff


Pauly

[leroyjr1]

I wouldn't say he's talentless, it's just that his talent has to do with marketing and image, and nothing to do with "music."

People buy his stuff because of what they think it says about THEM, not for the enjoyment of it. IMHO.



What???? That makes no sense.

[concealer404]

What???? That makes no sense.

This song is the soundtrack to muh life, y0!

[bobman1235]

What???? That makes no sense.

I equate it to having a giant subwoofer in your car that you can hear down the street. Most poeple who put those in don't put them in because they like the deep bass, they put them in because they know people will hear it from a mile away and think they're.... gangsta? I don't know exactly what they're shooting for, but it's definitely the ATTENTION more than the "music."

Similarly, a lot of (younger) people will listen to popular music not because they particularly enjoy it, but because they feel like it makes them cool to be part of the group that listens to it.

[AsSiMiLaTeD]

What???? That makes no sense.Actually Bob's post makes perfect sense, and I'd say I agree with it 100%. I can't comment on his talent since I don't listen to rap. It's easy for me to say since I don't listen to it, but to me rap has always been more about image than musical talent. Ya I know those guys are talented in some respect, but the DRAW to the music isn't about their talent so much as their image.

[leroyjr1]

I equate it to having a giant subwoofer in your car that you can hear down the street. Most poeple who put those in don't put them in because they like the deep bass, they put them in because they know people will hear it from a mile away and think they're.... gangsta? I don't know exactly what they're shooting for, but it's definitely the ATTENTION more than the "music."

Similarly, a lot of (younger) people will listen to popular music not because they particularly enjoy it, but because they feel like it makes them cool to be part of the group that listens to it.


Well when Kanye West started off a couple of years ago he was recognized as a talented rapper and grew fairly quickly because of his music only. Just like everyone when they start off kanye was not known for anything but his music. With him creating hit after hit everyone started jumping on his band wagon. Not until his name was really known did he start pulling stupid shit like at the VMA's. After becoming so big he now has this attitude like he's the shit but that only came from success.


Unlike other artists that use their life story of killing, dealing drugs, going to jail as a plot in there music career Kanye never put himself in that category. Other artist use that in their music to get the younger generation to think they're cool.

There's very few talented rap artist IMO and Jay Z and Kanye West are at the top of the short list. Image only goes so far these days. Look at 50 cents. His career was based on image and that only
gave him short success and 50+ millions.

Talented artists do stick around.

[nooshinjohn]

Asshats come in all colors religions backgrounds poor and rich. I dont why you would think that thinking and or saying someone is one would make you a racist just because there color is different than yours. Personally I consider myself colorblind and in a perfect world we would all be. Being of a certain color or ethnticity shouldndt define who you are or how others feel about you, your actions should.



REGARDS SNOW

I was trying to be funny Snow. In light of the current climate where a former president calls a congressman a racist because hes shouts "You Lie" at a joint session of Congress, it is getting to the point that simply dissagreeing with someone that has an opposing view could get you branded as racist. I was illustrating the absurd by being absurd....;)

[leroyjr1]

I can't comment on his talent since I don't listen to rap.

Bingo, you and bob are just generalizing rap artists. If you don't listen and have never heard his music it's funny how you can agree with someone who happens to also not listen.

[bobman1235]

Bingo, you and bob are just generalizing rap artists. If you don't listen and have never heard his music it's funny how you can agree with someone who happens to also not listen.

Wrong, I'm generalizing the FANS of rap, not the "music" itself. And the vast, vast majority of those fans are young people, and young people are concerned about image. Ther'es a reason that most people as they get older and wiser leave the hip-hop world behind and come to appreciate more... musical but less "showy" music.

Just like there's a reason that someone like Kanye West shows up in the news as often as he does for making a jackass of himself, and wears sunglasses and bling everywhere he goes. Image is more important to his fans than anything he creates.

[leroyjr1]

Ther'es a reason that most people as they get older and wiser leave the hip-hop world behind and come to appreciate more... musical but less "showy" music.




Lol.... Well the reason why most people don't last in hip hop is not because they wise up it's because they don't create music people want to buy. Do you actually think people pass up on Millions just because they wise up? Talented people stay in the industry point blank. Do you know how many record labels let there artist go because of the lack of sales?

It's all about the numbers. The talented survive. Image will only last you so long. Look at Jay Z. Very talented and still rocks his $3,000 shades to keep the image on point.

Also look at the very few rap artists that can have sell out concerts oversea's and have fans all over the world. Very few and Kanye is one of them. Not from image but from musical talent

[bobman1235]

Again, when talking about "people leaving rap music behind", I was talking about FANS, not performers. FANS wise up and get better taste in music - even I liked rap as a kid - artists just retire. Or get shot.

[leroyjr1]

Again, when talking about "people leaving rap music behind", I was talking about FANS, not performers. FANS wise up and get better taste in music - even I liked rap as a kid - artists just retire. Or get shot.


Quick question since you are so educated in hip hop. Do you live, work or frequently visit communities where hip hop has its biggest impact. I ask that because I live in the suburbs but work in the inner city and I see a lot of older people that do indeed listening to hip hop/ R&B.

You're on the outside looking in and is just assuming how things are and who a artist is and does based on the general perception of a rap artist.

[AsSiMiLaTeD]

leroy, I think you're missing the point. Bob isn't saying that no older people listen to rap and hip hop, but GENERALLY as people get older they tend to quit listening to it. Of course you're going to have the exceptions, and in some areas the rule may not apply.

But if you take society in aggregate and look at the numbers, people are going to stop listening to that kind of music as they get older. If there were a bunch of old people listening to rap, then the artists would cater to that and the content and style would be completely different.

Just because I choose not to listen to it doesn't mean that I don't know what it is and what it consists of. I don't have to immerse myself in something to understand what it is.

Don't get me wrong, most music is more about image than the music itself, but with rap and hip hop that ratio is skewed more towards the image, I don't think you can really argue that point.

[zombie boy 2000]

I think, as with ALL genres of music, more commercial and mainstream artists will represent the lowest common denominator. Sorry, but that's my stance.

This goes for rap as well. I'm sure that very few of the people making disparaging remarks concerning Hip-Hop have actually taken the time to listen to many of the artists working in the underground and independent scene. You've probably heard of The Roots (and please argue that they have no talent).

What about Common, Aesop Rock, The Streets, Dizzee Rascal, A Tribe Called Quest, Pharcyde, etc etc....? All on major labels. Dig deeper and you may find more (a lot more).

But then again... I guess if I were an inner-city youth, I should just assume that all suburban white boys listen to Nickleback and Creed. They represent all rock music, right?

[concealer404]

What about Common, Aesop Rock, The Streets, Dizzee Rascal, A Tribe Called Quest, Pharcyde, etc etc....? All on major labels. Dig deeper and you may find more (a lot more).

But then again... I guess if I were an inner-city youth, I should just assume that all suburban white boys listen to Nickleback and Creed. They represent all rock music, right?

The Streets! I'd also like to add in "Blackalicious." <EDIT> And "Cage."

You posted Nickleback and Creed and my involuntary gag reflex just kicked in. Thanks. :p

[leroyjr1]

leroy, I think you're missing the point. Bob isn't saying that no older people listen to rap and hip hop, but GENERALLY as people get older they tend to quit listening to it. Of course you're going to have the exceptions, and in some areas the rule may not apply.

But if you take society in aggregate and look at the numbers, people are going to stop listening to that kind of music as they get older. If there were a bunch of old people listening to rap, then the artists would cater to that and the content and style would be completely different.

Just because I choose not to listen to it doesn't mean that I don't know what it is and what it consists of. I don't have to immerse myself in something to understand what it is.

Don't get me wrong, most music is more about image than the music itself, but with rap and hip hop that ratio is skewed more towards the image, I don't think you can really argue that point.


I never did say hip hop isn't about image my point was that Kanye as a
artist is very talented musically. The Image thing came later. And yes you do have to listen to a artists work to find out if they are talented or not.

Bob said he was "Talentless" how would he know if he hasnt listened to his music. It'll be like me commenting on a movie and saying it was terrible if I didn't see it.

Most hip hop/ rap listeners convert over to R&B at an older age only because of the language of the music not the music itself. I know alot of older people that still listen to rap over the radio because it's cleaned up.

[Lasareath]

Who cares what kind of music he makes, and who cares what people think about when they buy his music. I bet that he has at least 100 times the money of anybody posting here so he must be doing something correct.

If you don't like gansta, or rap or hip-hop who cares. this post is about his self image, his non-respect for someone else, that fact that the president of the USA called him Jackass.

That's it.

Now get off the PC and go play an album and calm down.

Lasareath

[zombie boy 2000]

For anyone thinking that all rap lyrics are about bling and Cristal, I would recommend listening to some of the lyrics by MC Fatlip...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK_WfF6hf2E&feature=PlayList&p=E28E9BCC49EAC56B&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=84

Kind of breaks the mold, don't ya think?

[nooshinjohn]

to get back on point here, The Prez says Kanye is a Jack-ASS. I agree...

[bobman1235]

Bob said he was "Talentless" how would he know if he hasnt listened to his music. It'll be like me commenting on a movie and saying it was terrible if I didn't see it.

Who said I've never listened to it? And why are you the voice of rap music?

And I specifically said I DON'T think he's talentless, just that the majority of his talent lies in creating an image, not in creating music. And I stand by that statement. Making something that a large number of people want to listen to doesn't necessarily make you a talented musician, it makes you a talented marketer of your product and your image. I have heard talented hip-hop - in particular a few of the ones that zombie mentions, even though I rarely listen to it anymore I can STILL enjoy a band like Tribe Called Quest - and Kanye does not fit into that group.

And again, with what zombie said, this phenomenon is not relegated merely to rap music; most popular music is based on an image more than the product - there's a reason hot chicks sell so many albums. There's also a reason 40-year olds don't tend to buy Britney Spears albums, but 13-year olds do. The same goes for Kanye. You can keep arguing how talented he is (and the language thing is just NONSENSE) but find me some demographic numbers for his album sales and try to argue that smarter adults enjoy his product.

[AsSiMiLaTeD]

Bob said he was "Talentless" how would he know if he hasnt listened to his music. It'll be like me commenting on a movie and saying it was terrible if I didn't see it.
Nevermind, Bob took care of it

[Lasareath]

For anyone thinking that all rap lyrics are about bling and Cristal, I would recommend listening to some of the lyrics by MC Fatlip...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK_WfF6hf2E&feature=PlayList&p=E28E9BCC49EAC56B&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=84

Kind of breaks the mold, don't ya think?


Sounds like crap to me. But that's just my opinion, to you it might sound like angels signing and so be it.

I'd rather listen to this:

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[zombie boy 2000]

Yes... it sounds like angels singing. Pardon me while I shit manna for the next hour or so.
As for my point, I'm not speaking about the music, so much as the lyrical content. Seems pretty self-deprecating and humble to me.

I think Cosby said it best on the Simpsons:
"ya see, kids these days they listen to the rap music which gives them the brain damage, with the hippin and the hoppin and the bippin and the boppin, which means they dont know what the jazz is all about, ya see, jazz is like hot fudge, no jazz is like kodak film, NO, jazz is more like the new coke, it aint ever goin away!!"

[zombie boy 2000]

And btw... GWAR is freakin' awesome!! On soooo many levels.

[leroyjr1]

Who said I've never listened to it? And why are you the voice of rap music?

And I specifically said I DON'T think he's talentless, just that the majority of his talent lies in creating an image, not in creating music. And I stand by that statement. Making something that a large number of people want to listen to doesn't necessarily make you a talented musician, it makes you a talented marketer of your product and your image. I have heard talented hip-hop - in particular a few of the ones that zombie mentions, even though I rarely listen to it anymore I can STILL enjoy a band like Tribe Called Quest - and Kanye does not fit into that group.

And again, with what zombie said, this phenomenon is not relegated merely to rap music; most popular music is based on an image more than the product - there's a reason hot chicks sell so many albums. There's also a reason 40-year olds don't tend to buy Britney Spears albums, but 13-year olds do. The same goes for Kanye. You can keep arguing how talented he is (and the language thing is just NONSENSE) but find me some demographic numbers for his album sales and try to argue that smarter adults enjoy his product.

That's good you listen to your Tribe called Quest from the 90's and I'll listen to
My Kanye and Lil Wayne. Don't really care what you think just as long as I'm happy with the music I listen to then that's all That matters.

Everyone has their own opinion about what's good music and what music fit their taste. I'm probably alot youger than you so that'll explain why I listen to what I do.

Have a good day.. It's lunchtime

[bobman1235]

I agree Leroy, it doesn't bother me in the least if you like it; I'm sorry if it comes off that way. I'm glad you enjoy it. I'm a firm believer in "if you enjoy it, have a blast." I'm sure I like a lot of music, or even moreso movies, that are not so much created by talented artists but rather appeal to some more primitive part of me; the point is I don't confuse those things with REAL talent. There are plenty of modern pop songs that I've found catchy, but just because I enjoy them for their catchiness doesn't mean I put them on par with "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" or "Bellbottom Blues" (two of my favorite songs of all time).

[mrbigbluelight]

I see a lot of older people that do indeed listening to hip hop/ R&B.

I'll have to ask you to refrain from using the term "hip hop" and "R&B" in the same sentence, please.

"Hip Hop" is, IMO, mainly concerned with "image" and "styling and profiling".
"R & B" is mainly concerned with the music; that it has an image and style is a byproduct, not the MAIN product.

[nooshinjohn]

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[leroyjr1]

I'll have to ask you to refrain from using the term "hip hop" and "R&B" in the same sentence, please.

"Hip Hop" is, IMO, mainly concerned with "image" and "styling and profiling".
"R & B" is mainly concerned with the music; that it has an image and style is a byproduct, not the MAIN product.

Go stick your head in a toilet. Please

[concealer404]

This thread is certainly going places....

[AsSiMiLaTeD]

There are plenty of modern pop songs that I've found catchy, but just because I enjoy them for their catchiness doesn't mean I put them on par with "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" or "Bellbottom Blues" (two of my favorite songs of all time).the acoustic version of WMGGW, never cared for the standard rock version of that song quite as much

[KrazyMofo24]

LOL at the ignorance of these so called rap analysis. You guys don't listen to it, therefore have no credibility in your guy's argument. Yes you have to listen to it, to be in any position to make an ACCURATE assessment on how fans of that genre on why they enjoy it. Of course I'm referring to the one's who stated that they don't listen to rap or hip hop.

To think it's about all about the image, and not the talent is so stupid. There are plenty of wannabe rappers who can act and look just like the top rappers, what separates them? Their music. It's not hard to imagine fans liking rap because of their beats, lyrics, and vocals. The argument about wanting subs in their car to get attention sure some people do think that way, but most don't. I agree with the statement about getting older you tend to grow out of rap. I think it applies to a lot of people, but I still like certain rappers, and various songs.

Of course image, and marketing plays a big role on who's going to be on MTV, and on the radio. But those factors apply to everyone. There is plenty of talented not so well known artists out there for every type of music. Marketing and image definitely play a big role on making an artist to get recognized and move into the mainstream. However fans make the ultimate judgment based on whether or not they like their music. Hence one hit wonders.

[bobman1235]

Of course image, and marketing plays a big role on who's going to be on MTV, and on the radio. But those factors apply to everyone. There is plenty of talented not so well known artists out there for every type of music. Marketing and image definitely play a big role on making an artist to get recognized and move into the mainstream. However fans make the ultimate judgment based on whether or not they like their music. Hence one hit wonders.

You're taking this to be way too all-encompassing. Obviously music can stand on its own and be popular without image and marketing, it happens all the time. To hip-hop artists and rock artists and pop artists alike. But as a general rule, rap/hip-hop is filled with FAR more artists who are recognized for their IMAGE more than their "MUSIC." I'd say it's right up there with pop / teen music like the Britney Spears and Hansons of the world. There are PLENTY of pop acts out there that are talented and image has little to nothing to do with thier success, just as there are plenty of rap acts out there who are talented, but as a TREND, compared to most other niches in the music industry, the culture of rap is more about image. And people follow the performers that go with their image and what it says about them, rather than for the enjoyment of the music as an art form. In general.

[AsSiMiLaTeD]

Forget it Bob, they don't get it.


LOL at the ignorance of these so called rap analysis. You guys don't listen to it, therefore have no credibility in your guy's argument. Yes you have to listen to it, to be in any position to make an ACCURATE assessment on how fans of that genre on why they enjoy it. Of course I'm referring to the one's who stated that they don't listen to rap or hip hop. I'll skip the grammar issues and address the general point that I think you're trying to make:

To say that I can't form an opinion of something or how people react to it without being completely immersed in it is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard, and you're the second guy in this thread now who seems to think that way. That's like saying I can't have an opinion on Nazi Germany (I happen to think that was bad) or an aparthide (not so much on board with that one either) because I haven't personally been involved with either one. Granted those are extremes, but they help to illustrate my point, no?

You can often learn as much, if not more, about something based on the environment it creates or the effect(s) it has. I've never tried LSD, but I've seen (second-hand at that) the effect that it has on people, and from that observation I'm able to learn quite a bit about what it is, or what it must be.

The same goes for rap. I can see, for the most part, how people GENERALLY react to it and from that can deduct that it's generally more focussed towards an image than the musical ability of the performers.

[vc69]

I've never tried LSD, but I've seen (second-hand at that) the effect that it has on people, and from that observation I'm able to learn quite a bit about what it is, or what it must be.


Hey! I resemble that remark!

I mean...


oops.

Actually, that is a very poor analogy.

[POIDOG]

I was trying to be funny Snow. In light of the current climate ,.... it is getting to the point that simply dissagreeing with someone that has an opposing view could get you branded as racist. I was illustrating the absurd by being absurd....;)

Don't be absurd, only a racist would use this type of humor:rolleyes:

Well, I agree that the brat may be talented, but he is deeply troubled.
As Dennis Miller said the other day he needs to buy a bunch of "I'm sorry's" like a cap & trade commodity. ;)

[AsSiMiLaTeD]

Actually, that is a very poor analogy.Actually it's really not

[nooshinjohn]

Aretha Frankin's music stirs the soul... Kanye's music stirs the shit... big difference.
And while the queen of soul has her many fur coats, it is her talent as an artist that gets discussed by her fans. While Kanye West may be considered and artist, it is his flagrant arrogance and his blingy Bentley that is discussed by his fans...

[sucks2beme]

Who cares. There's at least one whacked out artist starting trouble at every
one of these events. It was just his turn to be stupid.

NEXT.

[Demiurge]

Who cares. There's at least one whacked out artist starting trouble at every
one of these events. It was just his turn to be stupid.

NEXT.

This one keeps getting back in line and cutting towards the front. ;)

[AsSiMiLaTeD]

^^^ lol

[snow]

Geez this thread seems to be getting further and further off topic. From screams of racism to hatred of certain types of music I enjoy virtually all types of music myself, I know of few people today that can actually take to a stage and perform and sound like they do on there albums which sucks because in my mind thats what seperates true talent from studio made artists.


Who cares what type of music Kanye sings he could be a Country and western star for all I care and it isnt even important what he said but the manner in which he chose to deliver it was both rude and disrespectful, and now he is paying the price for his outburst.



REGARDS SNOW

[vc69]

Actually it's really not

Well, I won't get into the details except to say that to know you don't like rap, you must have heard some rap. Perhaps not immersed yourself in it, but certainly listened to some. So you know what it's like.

You are drawing conclusions about LSD without ever having tried it. Fair enough to say you don't want to.
No credibility at all to claim you know what it's like.

Just saying.

Sorry for the OT post.

Kanye's a jackass.

[sucks2beme]

This one keeps getting back in line and cutting towards the front. ;)

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Just in heavy rotation??????????

[AsSiMiLaTeD]

I don't personally know what it feels like to be on LSD, no. However, I can tell from observing other people's reactions what it is and what it does, it's a drug that makes you hallucinate, I don't need to actually drop acid to see what it does. I can tell you I won't like it without ever trying it because I know what it does and I don't want to feel that way.

Likewise with rap, I'm surrounded by people that listen to it and I see how it's portrayed in the media 9not saying everything in the media is truth). I can tell from these people and their reactions to it that the focus is on image rather than musical ability.

FWIW, of course I've heard some rap, jeezus I don't live in a hut out in the middle of nowhere.

I don't even know why I'm still arguing, snow is right it doesn't matter and I really don't even have a point I'm trying to make. Now I'm arguing just for the sake of it, so I'm done here.

[Norm Apter]

I think, as with ALL genres of music, more commercial and mainstream artists will represent the lowest common denominator. Sorry, but that's my stance.

This goes for rap as well. I'm sure that very few of the people making disparaging remarks concerning Hip-Hop have actually taken the time to listen to many of the artists working in the underground and independent scene. You've probably heard of The Roots (and please argue that they have no talent).

What about Common, Aesop Rock, The Streets, Dizzee Rascal, A Tribe Called Quest, Pharcyde, etc etc....? All on major labels. Dig deeper and you may find more (a lot more).

But then again... I guess if I were an inner-city youth, I should just assume that all suburban white boys listen to Nickleback and Creed. They represent all rock music, right?

Don't forget Jurassic Five. Great group. Also Digable Planets, though I haven't heard anything from them since the early 90s.

BTW, the Pharcyde's Bizarre Ride II the Pharcyde is one of my favorite albums from the 90s.

And good point about Creed...I'd much prefer to be chained down in room with a stereo tuned into a commercial hip-hop station than to have to suffer all the way through one of their albums.

[Barefoot]

Kanye West isn't nearly as talented or important as he thinks he is.

[vc69]

I don't even know why I'm still arguing, snow is right it doesn't matter and I really don't even have a point I'm trying to make. Now I'm arguing just for the sake of it, so I'm done here.

Lol, same here. ;)




And good point about Creed...I'd much prefer to be chained down in room with a stereo tuned into a commercial hip-hop station than to have to suffer all the way through one of their albums.

I couldn't agree more.

I love me some old school rap. Public Enemy is probably one of my favorite groups from that era.
Fear of A Black Planet boyeee!

[leroyjr1]

Kanye West isn't nearly as talented or important as he thinks he is.

I'm sure his bank account would argue different.

[exalted512]

LOL at the ignorance of these so called rap analysis. You guys don't listen to it, therefore have no credibility in your guy's argument. Yes you have to listen to it, to be in any position to make an ACCURATE assessment on how fans of that genre on why they enjoy it. Of course I'm referring to the one's who stated that they don't listen to rap or hip hop.

I do listen to a little bit of rap & hip hop. The only reason why I dont listen to more is because its become so diluted with talentless idiots, like Kanye West. There are a couple songs that I like that had him in it, American Boy by Estelle and Gold Digger with Jamie Foxx. Most of his other songs are stupid and it sounds like a computer is doing his voice for him.



To think it's about all about the image, and not the talent is so stupid. There are plenty of wannabe rappers who can act and look just like the top rappers, what separates them? Their music. It's not hard to imagine fans liking rap because of their beats, lyrics, and vocals.

Really?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzZ9a2on_F0&annotation_id=annotation_153210&feature=iv

Superman these hos...thats what you consider music? Same can be said with a few other no talent 'artists.' lil wayne and lil weezy come to mind.



The argument about wanting subs in their car to get attention sure some people do think that way, but most don't.

I work in a car audio shop, I promise you, 4 out of 5 customers, in fact, buy subs to get attention.

-Cody

[bobman1235]

There are a couple songs that I like that had him in it, American Boy by Estelle and Gold Digger with Jamie Foxx.

SIgh. It's pretty easy to make a catchy song when you take a HUGE hit from the past and just sample it with a backbeat and talk over it.

[exalted512]

SIgh. It's pretty easy to make a catchy song when you take a HUGE hit from the past and just sample it with a backbeat and talk over it.

Egh, I see your point...but are you saying 'sigh' to every cover ever done as well?
-Cody

[Demiurge]

I'm sure his bank account would argue different.

What kind of fallacy are you trying to peddle here? That wealth is indicative of talent in entertainment? Pllllease. I think this proves bobman's point so well. You have this view that rappers with money are in turn talented. Not sure how old you are, but are you familiar with No Limit Records? That was the biggest thing going in the late 90s. That record company was putting out like 2-3 CDs a week it seemed like and it almost all sucked. They were raking in the cash, though because suckers loved to the be a part of the No Limit Solider family.

There are hundreds of thousands of musicians out there going from bar to bar in vans playing gigs that are 100 times the musician Kanye West is or will ever be. All he did is get lucky being in the right place at the right time with the right people.

This is coming from someone who still does appreciate some rap music. Most of it is just pure garbage, but I'll say the same thing about 'pop' music, too. I'm mostly partial to the Wu-Tang Clan.

[leroyjr1]

SIgh. It's pretty easy to make a catchy song when you take a HUGE hit from the past and just sample it with a backbeat and talk over it.

why not give it a try since it's so easy. Easy $5 million in your pocket.

[nooshinjohn]

Back in my Cell Phone days in L.A. one of the founders of Gansta Rap told me that they figured out it was easier to sell the "motha'Fu@^in' Bu!!$h!T" to the wannabe's than it was dealing crack, and there was more money in it. Their biggest selling album. "Fu@k da Police" was their way of telling the cops that there is nothing they can do to stop them from selling their "$hit" because they had become legitimate businessmen. The profits from gangbanging and dealing drugs was used to start Ruthless Records, and this comes straight from none other than "Easy E" himself.

[leroyjr1]

What kind of fallacy are you trying to peddle here? That wealth is indicative of talent in entertainment? Pllllease. I think this proves bobman's point so well. You have this view that rappers with money are in turn talented. Not sure how old you are, but are you familiar with No Limit Records? That was the biggest thing going in the late 90s. That record company was putting out like 2-3 CDs a week it seemed like and it almost all sucked. They were raking in the cash, though because suckers loved to the be a part of the No Limit Solider family.

There are hundreds of thousands of musicians out there going from bar to bar in vans playing gigs that are 100 times the musician Kanye West is or will ever be. All he did is get lucky being in the right place at the right time with the right people.

This is coming from someone who still does appreciate some rap music. Most of it is just pure garbage, but I'll say the same thing about 'pop' music, too. I'm mostly partial to the Wu-Tang Clan.

Rap is a multi billion dollar industry for a reason people like it. There's a reason why they play hip hop and R&B at sporting events during the breaks, people like it. There's a reason why very few rap artists have successful and long careers. There's a reason why your 100's of talented bands around the world didn't make it.( but I thought it's all so easy). Theres a reason why tens of thousands of people audition for American Idol and only a handfull get a record deal.

It's a lot harder than you think buddy. Just like people think all you have to do to be a model is be pretty. Watch next top model.

I grew up on No limit. They ran strong for a couple years and fell the hell off. Why? Because over doing the same sound and type of music and it got old. When the music changed they didn't. Same thing as 50 cents. He ran strong for a year or so and was on top but once again the same sound doesn't do to well. He was smart enough to venture to other businesses like movies and his Vitamin Water. There's a reason why artists fall off.

I can name a few that was talented and smart enough to continue to make money to this day

Snoop
Ice cube
Will Smith
LL cool J
Dre
JZ
Puff daddy

it takes a talented person to succeed.

[Demiurge]

Rap is a multi billion dollar industry for a reason people like it. There's a reason why they play hip hop and R&B at sporting events during the breaks, people like it. There's a reason why very few rap artists have successful and long careers. There's a reason why your 100's of talented bands around the world didn't make it.( but I thought it's all so easy). Theres a reason why tens of thousands of people audition for American Idol and only a handfull get a record deal.

Why are you making straw man arguments? Is it because you can't actually refute what's been said? We were talking about Kanye West last I checked.

Anyway, I'll bite. I didn't say it was easy, and I didn't say that everyone with talent makes it in the industry, in fact, quite the opposite. Making money in entertainment does not mean you're talented, which is basically what you said in response to the other poster.

Care to offer up a response for that rather than building up all these straw men arguments to knock down?


It's a lot harder than you think buddy. Just like people think all you have to do to be a model is be pretty. Watch next top model.

Again with the straw man arguments....did I say it was easy? No...

You don't know me personally, either, so it would be super schweet if you'd not attempt to patronize me like I don't have a clue about what I'm talking about.


I can name a few that was talented and smart enough to continue to make money to this day

Snoop
Ice cube
Will Smith
LL cool J
Dre
JZ
Puff daddy

it takes a talented person to succeed.

I'm not going to go down the list and pick out the talented musicians and the hacks, but as a group they're certainly talented at making money, not necessarily talented at making music.

You insinuated that Kanye must be a talented musician because he's rich. I say, buuuuuuull shit! :)

[KrazyMofo24]

I am deleting my response. I just went back and reread what was said in the morning, and changed my impression of it. Kanye West is a jackass Obama couldn't have said it better himself. I like some rap, but because of the music not for the image of looking cool. After rethinking it there are a lot of people who do listen to rap, or get subs for attention and want to maintain an image to try to fit in with a certain group of people. I don't feel most people are like this, but I can see the point you are making.

[opus]

nm....

[sucks2beme]

Gee, health care didn't even get this much debate.

[exalted512]

Gee, health care didn't even get this much debate.

you lie!!!!

wait, does that make me a racist?
-Cody

[KrazyMofo24]

you lie!!!!

wait, does that make me a racist?
-Cody

Damn right it does. :D

[nooshinjohn]

you lie!!!!

wait, does that make me a racist?
-Cody

makes you a homophobe too....:p

[exalted512]

im curious as to how many people would have screamed 'racist' if this had been said by any other president in our history.
-Cody

[Face]

im curious as to how many people would have screamed 'racist' if this had been said by any other president in our history.
-CodyIf that comment was made over a year ago, this thread would have been twice as long and probably locked already.

[snow]

im curious as to how many people would have screamed 'racist' if this had been said by any other president in our history.
-CodyHopefully no one. Calling someone a jackass isnt a racist comment it's a comment about their behavior, but there is no doubt that someone of an opposing political party might try to put a racial spin on it or even a few activists getting their name in the news by doing so but im sure the world in general wouldndt view it as such.

I think Kanye has the right to voice his oppinion on which video should have won but doing it in the way he did was inappropriate at best and downright rude and thoughtless as far as im concerned.

As far as the President saying what he did I say bravo for speaking his mind. I would much prefer to have someone in office be outspoken about his beliefs than someone who is overly concerned about how others might view what he says.



REGARDS SNOW

[bobman1235]

By teh way, back on topic, to be fair to the President he said what he said about Kanye completely off-record. If he had gone "public" and said ANYONE was a jack-ass, I would say that's inappropriate given his position, but no one can expect him to never say anything "uncouth" off-record.

[bobman1235]

Leroy, seriously, you're just digging yourself a hole buddy. YOu're not going to be able to "prove" to anyone that musical talent is what created these stars. No one here said "anyone can do it", and most people acknowledge that it takes A skill to become successful. YOur argument seems to be that that skill has to do with MUSIC; anyone with half a brain recognizes that it has very little to do with music and a lot more to do with image, attitude, etc. That is the reason a lot of these "artists" are popular. It is a skill, a special skill that very few possess, so stop pretending we're calling them untalented. It's just that their talent is much more in telling people that the emperor is wearing clothes than it is in fashioning those clothes. And apparently they sold you on it and you don't want to acknowledge it or admit it to yourself. SOrry for that, the truth can hurt.

[KrazyMofo24]

Leroy, seriously, you're just digging yourself a hole buddy. YOu're not going to be able to "prove" to anyone that musical talent is what created these stars. No one here said "anyone can do it", and most people acknowledge that it takes A skill to become successful. YOur argument seems to be that that skill has to do with MUSIC; anyone with half a brain recognizes that it has very little to do with music and a lot more to do with image, attitude, etc. That is the reason a lot of these "artists" are popular. It is a skill, a special skill that very few possess, so stop pretending we're calling them untalented. It's just that their talent is much more in telling people that the emperor is wearing clothes than it is in fashioning those clothes. And apparently they sold you on it and you don't want to acknowledge it or admit it to yourself. SOrry for that, the truth can hurt.

I don't believe this applies to the top rappers like 2pac, Jay-Z, Eminem, DMX, and T.I. They all have musical talent as a lyricist, great beats, vocals, and they tell a good story. These artists aren't making a career at promoting the bling like a lot of rappers do. I personally feel there a lot of similarities between 2pac and Bob Dylan in terms what makes them great. Both are great songwriters, it's not their amazing voice, and they don't have to rely on bands. I don't know that's just how I look at it.

[leroyjr1]

Leroy, seriously, you're just digging yourself a hole buddy. YOu're not going to be able to "prove" to anyone that musical talent is what created these stars. No one here said "anyone can do it", and most people acknowledge that it takes A skill to become successful. YOur argument seems to be that that skill has to do with MUSIC; anyone with half a brain recognizes that it has very little to do with music and a lot more to do with image, attitude, etc. That is the reason a lot of these "artists" are popular. It is a skill, a special skill that very few possess, so stop pretending we're calling them untalented. It's just that their talent is much more in telling people that the emperor is wearing clothes than it is in fashioning those clothes. And apparently they sold you on it and you don't want to acknowledge it or admit it to yourself. SOrry for that, the truth can hurt.


Dude get over it it's done. I don't care what you or anyone else thinks. It's over and done. Get some sleep.

[sntnsupermen131]

Hopefully no one. Calling someone a jackass isnt a racist comment it's a comment about their behavior, but there is no doubt that someone of an opposing political party might try to put a racial spin on it or even a few activists getting their name in the news by doing so but im sure the world in general wouldndt view it as such.


Wouldn't that be a wonderful world to live in?

Someone yells out you lie to Obama and its racially motivated...a black guy brings a gun to a Obama speech, which the media shows the back of the guy, but you can't see any actual skin, then they go directly to the interview of a white guy...AND THE MEDIA ASKS IF ITS RACIALLY MOTIVATED. Katrina victims didn't get help fast enough...which was converted to Bush hates black people.

I can see that conversation now

Bush: Hey, take your time getting to this one, its just new orleans

...
-Cody

[exalted512]

uh-oh.

Kanye West has even interrupted polk audios website!

http://kanyelicious.appspot.com/http://www.polkaudio.com/
-Cody

[Lasareath]

uh-oh.

Kanye West has even interrupted polk audios website!

http://kanyelicious.appspot.com/http://www.polkaudio.com/
-Cody


Haha very funny!

[mrbigbluelight]

Just because someone is famous, makes money by the boatload, and gets more **** than your local OB/GYN doesn't make them talented.


43290



Well, that pretty much proves it. Case closed. We can all go home now.

:rolleyes:

[xj4094dg]

I don't believe this applies to the top rappers like 2pac, Jay-Z, Eminem, DMX, and T.I. They all have musical talent as a lyricist, great beats, vocals, and they tell a good story. These artists aren't making a career at promoting the bling like a lot of rappers do. I personally feel there a lot of similarities between 2pac and Bob Dylan in terms what makes them great. Both are great songwriters, it's not their amazing voice, and they don't have to rely on bands. I don't know that's just how I look at it.

I honestly don't see any similarities between Dylan and ANY rap/hip-hop celebrities. The regurgitation of ghetto activity (real or imagined) just doesn't seem like art to me. I grew up in South Central Los Angeles and lived to tell about it, but never felt the need.

The juvenile level of the lyrics and the stories is excruciatingly boring to me.

my .50 cents. ;)

[ben62670]

Cody my budy is into "custom" installs in FT Lauderdle. Nearly every time what they want their trunk o rattle. Seriously. They don't care about tight hard htting bass they just want a huge portrd box that goes boom. A lot of the time the headunit is driving some tinny tqweeters. He has even installed speakers in the cars grill:confused: When he is done he loosens the license plate screws, and some deadening material in the truck. Backing off the set screw on the rear view also gains up to 13,67db's at 4,00079hz :rolleyes: Well he got fired from a few of those stores for doing to good of a job, and he does limo's and nice rides hear and there.

[BeRad]

Wow, hip hop fans sure get defensive easily don't they? lol

I've loved hip hop music for about 15 years and still do. Mainly, because it's a great music for the club and for driving. There are some, few, but some, great lyricists in the hip hop 'game' who actually can articulate from time to time. But I have never thought of any hip hop artist as being on the same level as any artist from a different genre. It is sometimes poetic, never musical, and as far as music is concerned, its trash. I still like it though, just not as much as some other genres. I haven't heard a hip-hop album I could listen to front to back in 10 years though. Definitely more about making an image and making money than making art and the non-singles are usually proof enough.

West IS a jackass and a very very dumb celebrity. He's right up there with Jessica Simpson. He seems to try SO HARD to "use his voice" and "get his message out" but I'm not sure he even knows what his message is. I have always had respect for any politician who isn't afraid to voice their personal opinion off the record. Why shouldn't they be able to talk in private with friends or acquaintances like you or I do? It makes them more real and more easy to respect (regardless of weather or not you agree with their policies).

I can't wait till the next time Kanye embarrasses himself by trying so hard to matter. It is very entertaining.

[xj4094dg]

I can't wait till the next time Kanye embarrasses himself by trying so hard to matter. It is very entertaining.

Far more entertaining than his "music".

[BeRad]

Far more entertaining than his "music".

He's got a couple of decent works. Great beats. :)