Bose VCS-10 vs Polk CSi30

[FireWire]

Friends,

I have an opportunity to get a second hand Bose VCS-10 (http://www.bose.com/home_audio/ht_speakers/vcs10/more.shtml) and I'd like to compare it with a Polk Audio CSi30 (http://www.polkaudio.com/home/products.php?category=5&speaker=208) . What are you opinions on this head-to-head race?

PS. I have Polk Audio R30 speakers as main.

Thanks in advance

[RuSsMaN]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[wangotango68]

at one time i had the bose center speaker,and all i have to say is that it sounds like crap!! putting all the bose bashing aside and looking at it speaker vs. speaker for sound quality the bose was very weak. go with the polk speaker you won't be sorry.


scott:cool:

[FireWire]

Thanks wangotango!

[dorokusai]

I concur, no comparison possible. The Bose is out of its league at that point. Other center channels would also fare well against the Bose, its mediocre at best. If high volumes aren't your thing, maybe its ok, but I would get something that was ready for more at any given time. :cool:

[rs159]

For a bedroom system if you can get it for <$50 then go for it, otherwise click here. (http://clubpolk.polkaudio.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8100)

[dorokusai]

rs159 - :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

those are all four of my personalities laughing....

[fireshoes]

I'm pretty sure it is simply the worst center channel ever made. No joke.

[burdette]

One of these centers is not like the others,
One of these centers just doesn't belong,
Can you tell which center is not like the others
By the time I finish my song?
Did you guess which center was not like the others?
Did you guess which center just doesn't belong?
If you guessed this Bose is not like the others,
Then you're absolutely...right!


From my experience with Bose... chances are if you're just going to watch TV, or chick movies with no guns nor car chases, nary a bomb nor grenade shall thy view, and all at low to moderate volume, then the Bose'll probably do ya. But the laws of Physics can be pushed only so far; Bose can do ONLY so much without having larger cones that actually MOVE AIR and without small cones with the dynamic ability for high frequencies... the "no highs no lows must be Bose" might be the basher's mantra, but it is grounded in solid physics and engineering. Just that simple

[FireWire]

Thank God and thank you for all these replies. I thought Bose was the next best thing right after sliced bread.

[setzer808]

IF you happen to be deathly allergic to sliced bread then its pretty close to that level...

...its like a full time job informing the masses of the evils of Bose...maybe if we could get a Surgeon General's warning on those spiffy Bose magazine/tv ads or something....

[rs159]

...or sue for false advertising. "Incredibly big sound from a small enclosure" my ass (from commercial for that acoustic waveguide nonsense) - A transmission line sub with a 2.5" driver will not under any circumstances come close to having deep bass. If they spent less on advertising and more on bigger drviers than maybe. But that's a big maybe.

[rs159]

Originally posted by RuSsMaN
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Remember, most people think that bose makes the worlds best speakers :eek: :rolleyes: :mad: and they might be a tad bit offended or simply not believe you if you flat out say they suck without backing it up. If you want your opinion to be respected then express it in a respectable manner. I know that I'm a bose basher myself but in this context others had allready said that it did not sound up to par, in other words there wasn't much more I could say without being repetative.

[RuSsMaN]

Huh, you MUST be joking, right?

[setzer808]

Slightly immature and unfounded as Russ's original post may have been, I think it summed up the feelings many (if not most) of these forum's members. You gotta admit, the title of the post is kinda like comparing Aunt Bee to Heather Grahm.

[RuSsMaN]

I think I pretty much summed it up as laughable, no? Did firewire have any complaints to my response?

Pick something else to argue about already, this dog won't hunt.

Cheers,
Russ

[setzer808]

I got a laugh out of it at least...

[phuz]

I think everyone is on point here. It's all true. If you can score it for really cheap, say $30 or $40 just for a basic system then it'll be ok. Otherwise there are MUCH better choices out there. Like the CSi30!

I had one for a bit. It was my first center channel speaker. It was "ok." But I realized how I was raped (at $179+tax) when I listened to other speakers that cost much less. I was lucky to find someone local who had some Bose 901s who wanted a matching center channel, and was willing to pay good money for it. :)

No highs, no lows. Must be BOSE! This is especially true with this particular center channel speaker.

[rs159]

Russ - I never said I loved bose. I always said I hate it and complained about their engineering and overly aggressive marketing of cheaply made equipment and flawed designs. All I said was people are more likely to believe you if you say more than "waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa". FireWire and most newbies have shown that they're open to education, but only if you teach them.

Phuz - you say "good money"? Were they naive enough to pay more than retail I wonder? :)

[dthomps]

I got a laugh out of it, especially since I have heard both of the centers. When I clicked the link for the thread, Honestly I thought it was a joke.
I think if there were more of a comparison, it would have warranted reasoning. But in this case, I think Russ hit it right on the head. Apples and oranges. Peace. Mike

[rs159]

Me too, I thought it was a joke like this thread (http://clubpolk.polkaudio.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7927&highlight=serious+listeners) Apperantly Russ likes jokes ;) No hard feelings? http://www.clicksmilie.de/sammlung/ernaehrung/food-smiley-004.gif

[rs159]

Originally posted by setzer808
...You gotta admit, the title of the post is kinda like comparing Aunt Bee to Heather Grahm.

hmmm... http://untruenews.com/unimages/nun.jpg----http://www.actressarchives.com/heather/heather.jpg

[setzer808]

HAHAHAHAH, great job rs159...hahaha...I nearly fell out of my chair....:lol: :lol:

[rs159]

Couldn't've done it without 'ya man :p (I wonder if you can put two apostrophes in a word like "couldn't've"? oh well...)

[phuz]

Originally posted by rs159

Phuz - you say "good money"? Were they naive enough to pay more than retail I wonder? :)

Pffft. You think I'm a scumbag or something?

[mantis]

HELLO...........
Firewire,
The polk center channel will closer match your mains.
It's not about which one is better,it's about which center MATCHES the rest of your speakers.
Doesn't anyone understand that??????????????????:rolleyes:

[RuSsMaN]

Oh shut up Dan, the Bose center SUCKS. What, a Polk center will better match other Polk speakers, than a Bose center?

YA THINK? Sheesh.

[mantis]

Well MR advise giver,I didn't see your Intelligent ass saying anything other then WAAAAAAAAAAAAA........You usual reponse to just about EVERYTHING in here......but you know whats really funny????waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa is about how it is in here isn't it?
BOSE sucks huh????then why do they sell so many speakers?Why do they have there OWN stores?
Think before you type........You know nothing about BOSE.
Wanna Know what really sucks........carver amps.Everyone has an opnion right??????Yours.....now mine..........

[mantis]

O and another thing...........newbie remember???He might have no Idea...........he asked the question didn't he?

I'll tell yeah man,the mentality around here............whatever.......

suck on this....IT"S OUT THERE AND I HAVE TO GO TO WORK!!!!!!

[RuSsMaN]

I think the point you tried to make, was already made. And the best match for his rig would be the CSi20.

I didn't say Bose sucks, I said (implied) their center channel did. I know all I need to know about Bose, and it has to do with the sound and build quality, not their retail outlets.

You think Carver sucks? I thought you just recently said the Sunfire Cinema rec's were pretty kick-ass.

Now go to work, and install some REAL gear. ;)

Cheers,
Russ

[bignorm]

No highs...no lows.....it must be BOSE :lol: :lol: :lol:

[FireWire]

Friends,

Where will I start? I asked a simple question because I wanted to learn and discover new horizon and meet new friends. I went ou to buy home audio equipement and was constantly wondering if I've made good choices. I'm new to this world, and was I offended by you Russman's reply? Yes I was and I said thank you WangoTango and not to him. Russman, were you laughing at the comparison, to the thread or to me? Let me know and I'll make you fill a form.

Was it a fare comparison? I don't know, I didn't know if I knew then would I posted here?. Thanks to rs159, Mantis, phuz and many others for presious information.

We were all newbs once remember?

Keep well

[TroyD]

Jeeeeezee....

anyone ever listen to Mr. Obvious on the Bob and Tom show?

Lesse, you ask on a POLK forum what would be a better choice for POLK speakers, Bose or POLK?

Gee, I don't really know....

Hello, McFly?????

As far as Bose goes, if you do a price vs performance comparison, yes Bose does indeed suck

BDT

[wallstreet]

Being a mad scientist when I'm not being a IT nerd, I wanted to check the speaker specifications of the "theater like" sounding Bose center channel. I searched the brochure, the website, and the owners manual. Much to my dismay, I couldn't find the ratings anywhere.:mad:

[setzer808]

FireWire,

Sorry I didn't offer too much helpful information earlier. Here's some you can take to heart:

Bose Acoustimass systems and the center channel in question lack 1 major thing....tweeters. If you wonder how Bose can make such small systems its by using a lot of midranges that try to functions as both midranges and tweeters...and that just doesn't hold up. I good speaker with a midrange and tweeter will always sound better and provide better seperation of frequencies.

That should be a pretty acurate summary of a big Bose problem, u other guys feel free to add or correct as necessary.

----Mantis, Russman, lets not get this sent to the Hall of Shame, k? :lol:

[RuSsMaN]

Fire, I was laughing at the comparison, I have no reason to laugh at you.

Moving on. ;)

Cheers,
Russ

[TroyD]

wallstreet ,

Bose won't give you specs for anything....

Fire,

what Russ said, Bose does not have many fans here. Not laughing at you, just the comparison..

BDT

[rs159]

The most specs bose will give is "works w/ most 8 ohm amps" beyond that it's just "huge sound from a small enclosure" and garbage like that whenever they list their "specs"

[rs159]

Originally posted by phuz


Pffft. You think I'm a scumbag or something?

Nah, just implying that loyal bose customers seem to be the kind of people who will pay stupid amounts of money for stuff that costs what? like $5 to make.

[mantis]

PEOPLE LISTEN UP!!!!!!!!!!

Bose isn't for everyone.Polk is the same way.I don't think it's wise to bash any product on a public forum.State your opnion and be done with it.

There's nothing wrong with Bose or any other product on the market people,everything has it's rightfull place.Pick yours.

This thead is about polk matching.Bose is another topic.
Anyone who wants to discuss Bose,feel free to address ME personally.I'll be glad to address any questions you may have.

[setzer808]

Thats true, we should probably end this thread now. Heh, and I certinally know about products having thier rightful place, hence why I still have some KLH stuff for a bedroom radio system.

[TroyD]

Sure, if you don't mind bending over and getting rear-ended at the cash register, sure, Bose just MIGHT be for you......

Other than that, just a little bit of effort is all that's required to get better performance at a fraction of the cost.

BDT

[dbournival]

Wow people sure get upset when that four letter word is used.

[Gary Robertson]

Buy the bose--hell they put my Martin Logan Prodigy's to shame...............
You could just imagine how much it would blow away my RT-7's..............

[mantis]

Do some Homework on Bose Troy.You don't get bent over.
RF remote...who else offers one right from the factory?
All in one small unit......
Gives you all the wire to sub and speakers
Brackets can be hung from ceiling wall.
Make beautiful pole speaker stands
Super easy to use.
Has a automatic calibration system.
Gives you a instruction DVD...and some sample music.
Id at least 2 zone
They give you alot for what it costs.I think they are very good and worth the money.Nice sound,nice features.Want good products you gotta pay.
Thye have NO heat problems as the amps are in the subwoofer.Seperates allday.
I install Bose systems alot and I'll go this far....they are the most reliable product on the market bar none.They work ALL THE TIME.Other products on the market can't claim that.I know I install alot of them.
Like I said Bose isn't for everyone.Name one product that is.
Grow up people.

[RuSsMaN]

Yeah, but what about B&K, there is no substitute, except Bose?

Give me a break, I didn't see you mention how they SOUND in that rant. Seperates? Thats funny, allday/allabout. ;)

Cheers,
Russ

[dbournival]

Mantis, watch the fireworks now!!! People get so worked up on this subject.... I used to own Bose products, I think others are better for my needs, but I'm not everyone.

Do you have some suggestions on outdoor speakers? I'm putting in a pool and adding another set.

[wangotango68]

did'nt this thread get started with someone asking witch was better the bose or the polk? preaty sinple question, and look at it now,its a starting to turn into a pissing match again. the more things change the more they stay the same.:confused:


scott:cool:

[mantis]

Sound Quality????
It's really nice when in a mid size to small room.Sound qualitry is really Impressive when you consider what the driver layout is.I like them,I find nothing wrong with there sound quality.Go listen to any mini system with speakers of small size,they all sound...not as good as full range speaker but you can get a quality sound out of them thats most pleasing to most people.ALL of my cdustomers love there Bose systems.Not 1 dislikes it,not 1..

Like I said Bose isn't for everyone.I would put one in my familyroom,one in my masterbedroom and one in my kids playroom allday.Built quality is very good.

Your right B&K RULES MAN..THERE IS NO SUBSITUTE FOR ME....NONE.

[TroyD]

No Dan, I respectfully disagree. The bose systems that I've seen/heard (and there are plenty of people with them) don't sound as good as the Polk RM6000 system that has a powered sub rather than the POS 'Bass Module' that is nothing more than a passive sub with dual 5.25" woofers.

I've heard the 301's, they sound OK but again, I think you can find better, cheaper.

I've heard the 601's, and the RT600i's put them to shame.

The 901's, grant you, they don't sound 'bad' just not accurate. If you like them fine but I wouldn't buy them.

BDT

[TroyD]

Driver layout? Full range 2" drivers in a cheap plastic enclosure?

Geeze Dan, I know you are a company man and all but c'mon now....

It's like anything else....if you don't mind dropping a wad of cash for a easy to use, unobtrusive system for ambient noise, sure, bose cubes MIGHT be for you (as long as you don't mind getting bent over at the register) and probably don't sound that bad. Again, for less money, you can have better.

BDT :D

[mantis]

dbournival,
sure you wouldn't rather have Russ's advice on what outdoor speakers to use???He might say you should use WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.I think he feels they are the speaker of choice for outdoor use.

My advice I like Niles outdoor speakers.They Rock and sound really good.
Polk has outdoor speakers but I haven't given them extensive listening.Boston Acoustics also makes nice outdoors.The Grand Voyagers are awesome.

Check this out.........Bose has nice sounding outdoor speakers.They fill deck area well and sound pretty good(yes Russ they Do....)

Like any other speaker made,it's personal which pair is for you.

[mantis]

Originally posted by TroyD
Driver layout? Full range 2" drivers in a cheap plastic enclosure?

Geeze Dan, I know you are a company man and all but c'mon now....

It's like anything else....if you don't mind dropping a wad of cash for a easy to use, unobtrusive system for ambient noise, sure, bose cubes MIGHT be for you (as long as you don't mind getting bent over at the register) and probably don't sound that bad. Again, for less money, you can have better.

BDT :D
Ok Troy I'll call you on this.Build me a system for less money that can do all of that which the Bose can do.I'll give you a number so you can get your read on.Bose Lifestyle Ls35.Best that.
Remeber RF remote and multiroom.And make sure you check how many zones the Bose can support.Bose also can support RF remotes for the multiroom systems.Factor in control to your system.
I'll be waiting to review your better system..so Cross your T's and Dot your I's,if you don't I'm forwarning you I will beat your system.
Bring it..........:D
Gotta be a new system,used don't count.

[TroyD]

Point............................................. ................................Dan



Dan, all the bells and whistles in the world doesn't change the fact that it sounds like crap. Period. My opinion of all the bose cube systems that I've heard is that they sound like crap. 2" paper drivers (not that you can't make good drivers out of paper) in cheap plastic enclosures suck, IMO.

I've not seen one with a powered sub. All the bass module based systems I've seen were passive not powered.

Again, if you are looking for a lot of cool, gee-whiz features, go with bose. If you want good sound, look elsewhere. IMO

BDT

[brettw22]

Originally posted by TroyD
Point............................................. ................................Dan


I have absolutely nothing to add to this thread.........but this.......THIS is funny........:lol: :lol:

[TroyD]

I'm only commenting on the sound of the Bose. I could give a rat's ass about the rest of it. As far as all the cool buttons and knobs, Dan is probably right. I don't know.

No offense but Dan's endorsement of Bose sounds like a guy trying to get a buddy to occupy the unattractive friend of the hottie he is trying to score with.....'dude, she's got a GREAT personality'.....'ok, what does she look like'.....'man, she's got the GREATEST sense of humor'......'ok, what does she look like'.......'bro, you two have LOTS in common'.....'ok, she's fat isn't she?'.........'well...................'

BDT

[setzer808]

Please God make it stop!

[FireWire]

Friends,

I have a newb question since someone asked for outdoor speakers . What's the difference between outdoor and indoor speakers? Is it the physical build, the sound, or what else? Can't we just extend an indoor speaker's cable and make it as an indoor/outdoor one?

Thanks in advance

[hoosier21]

Firewire, the outdoor speaker is made of material that can withstand the weather, rain humidity heat cold, sure you can take your "indoor" speakers outside, but let them get rained on and see what happens.

[setzer808]

FireWire,

Typically an outdoor speaker is a speaker that has been designed to be water proof/resistant, resistant to UV rays, and in general just a bit tougher physically. A pair of nice high-fi's left outside for a few weeks would be practically destroyed. An outdoor speaker is more resistant to the elements.

[RuSsMaN]

They usually are built with a bit of weather-resistance, or weather-proofing. The cabs are usually made from a high-impact abs (or other) plastic to stand up to outdoor conditions. The drivers will most often consist of a poly/plastic with rubber surrounds, once again for durability in extreme conditions. Most, if not all also offer built in mounting brackets, which make install a snap.

Check out the Polk Atriums on the website, they offer great outdoor 'specs', as far as temperature, humidity, and water tolerance.

Cheers,
Russ

[FireWire]

Thanks guy for your useful tips. I guess more money saving to buy those.:p

BTW, I tried to put one of my R15 as center channel and it's a no-no. A bit of image distorsion and then the sound was weird. I have an old Sony TV, prolly a newer one should do.

Thanks again

[fireshoes]

Originally posted by mantis
Sound Quality????
It's really nice when in a mid size to small room.Sound qualitry is really Impressive when you consider what the driver layout is.I like them,I find nothing wrong with there sound quality.

I think the Lifestyle 35 sounds okay. I personally would rather have the Polk DS7200 for $500 less, but whatever, you get the rf remote, the integrated dvd, and all that. However I think a lot of the sound quality stuff was referring to the VCS10 center speaker. SQ is typically measured by the ability to remain neutral sounding. I don't have the specs for this particular speaker, but it seems to me that it would have Extreme rolloff on the tops and bottoms of the spectrum, and probably some other nice dips and peaks as well. So if someone would be willing to provide some frequency response measurements, maybe we can find out just what kind of sound quality it provides. :)

[RuSsMaN]

Thats one of the problems with Bose, you cannot get any measurements or specs, they simply won't release that info. Does that really matter, not to their typical consumer that buys on 'brand name' alone.

Cheers,
Russ

[rs159]

They don't list power handling, instead they put an overload protection circuit in the particular center in question. :lol:

[mantis]

I agree with that statement that Bose doesn't post there spec's.I don't know why they don't.They should.

Here's the bottom line with Bose,They are made for a certain kind of people.They fill a huge gap in the custom world.They are good sellers,they sell thereselves.NO salespeople have to "Push"them on anyone.Most people who buy Bose has owned in the past,friends or family memebers own them and now they want them.Wife friendly completely.
Sound quality is like anything else in the world........it's personal.Everyones opnion of what sounds goo,whats a good deal and so on is persoanl as well.
Bose has been around for a long time and will for a long time.They have there following just like Us in here with POLK.It's all good guys.
Troy,
my only point with Bose is and I won't argue that they are on the upper end in mini systems,home theater in a box types,but they give you alot for what you spend.Sound quality is a bigger part of the package for people like you and I,Bose customers ......Bose offers a level of sadisfaction they can live with.I'll tell you guys straight and most of you know how picky I am with my sound...........there not bad.There nice in alot of ways.I have heard them sound really good and sometimes in really large rooms they don't fill that good.Bose isn't made for large size rooms.
So with that being said.............................................. .........:cool:

[Vr3MxStyler2k3]

Mantis, I have heard the Bose cubes. The bass module picks up atleast 1/4 of what the speakers should. The bass module is very directional. They have no lows, without bass shakers I'm not sure it could even vibrate the floor, the highs......what highs? These speakers are more like a snap crackle pop at high volumes. For the $$ they blow. Features or no Features. Sony has alot of features but IMO they sound like $h1T!

[mantis]

your opnion and you have the right 2 it.My opnion is different then yours.

[dorokusai]

I think the thread is done. Good information has been obtained, and valued opinions gathered. Lets start a new thread if the topic has changed to BOSE = Donkey, I am all for it :)

[rs159]

MX, agreed - bose might sound *ok* at medium volume in tiny rooms with very non sound intensive movies with no music, but put the sub in the corner and try listening to music and more exciting movies and you realize you got downright buttraped at the register. More like a computer 5.1 system IMO, with tiny midrange shy sats and a very directional "subwoofer", that goes straight to hell below 50hz. For more than $1500? Pfft... The problem is that bose is strictly set on a mission to make money, and the best way to make money is to capitalize on people who don't know better and lie to them about performance. It's downright immoral if you ask me.

[rs159]

Oops, posted a little late - sorry if I sound a little behind.

[fireshoes]

Originally posted by Vr3MxStyler2k3
Mantis, I have heard the Bose cubes. The bass module picks up atleast 1/4 of what the speakers should. The bass module is very directional. They have no lows, without bass shakers I'm not sure it could even vibrate the floor, the highs......what highs? These speakers are more like a snap crackle pop at high volumes. For the $$ they blow. Features or no Features. Sony has alot of features but IMO they sound like $h1T!

I think Mx brings up a good point here. Unplug the speakers from the bass module and throw in a dvd. There's a lot of dialogue getting played by the bass module and not being passed through to the speakers where it belongs. Kinda funny when you place it under the couch because Bose says you can put it anywhere.

[rs159]

What IS the Xover on the bass module? I'd guess around 250hz w/ a 6db slope but then I don't know.

[F1nut]

Originally posted by pensacola
Just came across some specs:

—Frequency response: 90Hz-12kHz ±7dB
—Sensitivity: 81dB
—Nominal impedance: 8 ohms
—Recommended power: 50 to infinity Wpc
—Maximum output level: 89dB

According to their White Paper, the amp used in their testing
lab is a Sony 50 Wpc receiver. The lab's listening room is setup
to replicate the two-car garage of the average 1,600 S.F.
American home.
For this reason, anything fed to them beyond 50 watts is
shunted to a massive resistor, thereby protecting both
the delicate fibers of its patented PaperCone® drivers, and
the ear drums of the listener.

Way to go BOSE for looking out for us!

[Vr3MxStyler2k3]

People have done FR sweeps on Bose systems, the Bass Module bottums out at 40 hz, little above and it picks up 120hz and down. The cubes stop at 18 hz or so, the full rangers cost 35 a pair.

[burdette]

Can we all say 'ineffective communication?'... I thought we could.

More than half the argumentative exchanges in this thread are addressing *different* issues.

In part, I think Mantis is right.. Bose absolutely fills a niche. In my opinion it is the niche of people who have money to spend, want an audio/video system (and one that does not dominate the room), are NOT going to go store to store listening to a shitload of speakers, want ease of setup and ease of use, and like bells and whistles. These are NOT people who check frequency response graphs or discuss audio/video as a hobby or get upgrade fever.

Many Bose speakers/systems DO sound fine at moderate volumes (my father-in-law has an Acoustmas pro logic setup) and they completely satisfy their owners. Bose doesn't publish specs in part because they don't have to.. the consumers they concentrate on (and have successfully reached) don't give two shits about specs and most likely don't know what most of them mean. That isn't to say they're stupid... there are plenty of subjects/hobbies that every one of us here doesn't know or give two-shits about. I, for example, would never spend $1000 on a bicycle and another grand on fancy clothes and gear upgrades and all that.. but people do it. Show up on one of THEIR forums to discuss your Huffy 20-speed from Wallyworld and see what sort of opinions you get.

But round these parts, we *are* more focused on sound quality. We DO notice if the explosions in SPR simply don't hit you in the chest... I mean, shit.. there are a lot of guys here who have gutted their perfectly-functioning Polks just to install upgraded drivers and crossovers... you think the average Acoustimas owner wonders if their bass could be tighter if they put their bass module on spikes? Shit, get real.

I don't happen to think there is ANY question that in terms of bottom-line sound quality, reaching into the bass and accurately producing highs, you can absolutely do MUCH better than Bose at ANY price point.

Honestly.. is it worth the time spent, over and over, discussing a company whose focus, goals and customer base is simply different than the focus/interests/concerns of the average guy here? You think the guys on the Ferrari forum fight over the merits of or spend time slamming Kia??

[wallstreet]

Originally posted by burdette
.
.
.I, for example, would never spend $1000 on a bicycle and another grand on fancy clothes and gear upgrades and all that.. but people do it. Show up on one of THEIR forums to discuss your Huffy 20-speed from Wallyworld and see what sort of opinions you get.



Good thing, cuz 1G just gets you an above average bike. :lol:

[mantis]

burdette,
Good points.That should end this thead at least on the subject of Bose.

[rs159]

I think everyone knew the shit would hit the fan eventually given the nature of this thread.

[F1nut]

http://www.clicksmilie.de/sammlung/waffen/violent-smiley-086.gif

[NINjesse]

in response to the last couple of replys, all i can say is anyone who thinks carver sucks is a sony lover or has had an unfortinat bad experience with them, as to the bose center, the systems bose is famous for have had alternate means of bass. you must remember that about 70% of suround comes from your center so it needs to be able to cover all ranges. as for the the polk csi30 and the 20 i think polk droped the ball on these centers. unfortunatly compared to the current models i think infiniti has polk beat in this price range.

[rs159]

Originally posted by burdette
...I, for example, would never spend $1000 on a bicycle and another grand on fancy clothes and gear upgrades and all that.. but people do it. Show up on one of THEIR forums to discuss your Huffy 20-speed from Wallyworld and see what sort of opinions you get...You think the guys on the Ferrari forum fight over the merits of or spend time slamming Kia??

Huffy and Kia don't have half hour infomercials claiming that their vehicles will give you the finest ride you've ever had. They know that their products aren't the best out there and they don't claim that they are. People 'round these parts don't hate bose because they are an entry level product, they hate them because they are an entry level product that has been overpriced and advertised as the finest audio in the world. Sorry to beat a dead decomposing horse, but I just had to say it.