tests and info on speaker wire

[lbristow]

this site has a lot of good info on speaker wire. www.audioholics.com.:D just type in speaker wire test in the search and a lot of good info comes up.

[F1nut]

They think all amps, cables, etc. sound the same. Not a good site, IMNSHO.

[mmadden28]

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[Cpyder]

Shhh... Don't talk about audioholics here. Wrong forum. Audioholics believe in blind testing. Seldom people here do.

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Here's a thread I started. It's gets ugly really fast. I suggest you just read the other thread than posting here, because a lot of people will hate you if you talk about Audioholics.

http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88509&highlight=audioholics

[lbristow]

Shhh... Don't talk about audioholics here. Wrong forum. Audioholics believe in blind testing. Seldom people here do.

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Here's a thread I started. It's gets ugly really fast. I suggest you just read the other thread than posting here, because a lot of people will hate you if you talk about Audioholics.

http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88509&highlight=audioholics

already did that earlier today, the post was deleted. It is good info, some just can't accept reality:)

[thsmith]

Link does not work and can find no info on MITs cables there.

Dang and I was looking for a good read.

I wonder what that other sites opinions are on tubes, any bets they think they all sound the same.

[F1nut]

already did that earlier today, the post was deleted. It is good info, some just can't accept reality:)

You want to talk reality? Ok, tell me what cables you have listened to.

[lbristow]

You want to talk reality? Ok, tell me what cables you have listened to.

as i stated in the post that was deleted earlier today, that is the purpose of this site, they test them and give you the info to decide. not sure why people get so worked up about this, other than maybe they find out the grand they laid down for cable might have been a waste. if this is what people want to do, then ok by me. i just look at the info and go from there. I have mine hooked up to 14awg philips wire, sounds great.

[thsmith]

I started with Monoprice 12g, sounded good, went to AQ T4 sounded better and finally went to MIT S3 shotguns and sounded the best so far.

Thats all the proof I need.

[sTiLlLeArNiNg]

Sometime's we want thing's to sound better because they cost more....

With that being said:

I beleive in better cable's just not one's that cost as much as a piece of equipment ;)

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Unless you own these cable's http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?cablspkr&1261514601 your cable's suck and your system sound's like crap :p

Sorry i missed the epic thread earlier i would've loved to have participated :)

[lbristow]

Shhh... Don't talk about audioholics here. Wrong forum. Audioholics believe in blind testing. Seldom people here do.

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Conflicting viewpoints

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flame wars

Here's a thread I started. It's gets ugly really fast. I suggest you just read the other thread than posting here, because a lot of people will hate you if you talk about Audioholics.

http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88509&highlight=audioholics

i see what you mean, may not be as bad as the one i had going earlier today. i don't know, sure some cables sound different than others. i hooked up a monster y instead of the philips i normally use and it sounded different. i switched back to the philips. what amazes me is that when you take a speaker apart and see the wiring that is in there, it is nothing special. not silver, kryptonite, or anything else, not to mention it terminates to a simple metal clip. once you get to a point what else can you do:confused: the site does do a lot of actual measuring, and since this is part of a electrical system i would think this means quite a bit, but sure, some may sound different than others. this does not mean better or worse, just different. then again, some think they can hear better than a canine. this is why i do not care for the term audiophile, to me it means nut job. but i guess if i was sucker enough to pay what some have for a simple cable then i would be a little touchy too;)

[sTiLlLeArNiNg]

C'mon guy's! We all know that "litzed" cat 5e is the wave of the future! :o

[Fongolio]

I steer clear of these discussions. Nothing good ever comes of it. However, I read the earlier thread and totally do not understand how the thread was deleted but the op of the thread NOT banned. Prolific abussive strong language aimed at specific individuals. It completely blows my mind that the individual was not banned for life. And yes lbristow I am talking about you. Please don't start that again.

[F1nut]

as i stated in the post that was deleted earlier today, that is the purpose of this site, they test them and give you the info to decide. not sure why people get so worked up about this, other than maybe they find out the grand they laid down for cable might have been a waste. if this is what people want to do, then ok by me. i just look at the info and go from there. I have mine hooked up to 14awg philips wire, sounds great.

As I thought, you have no personal experience and therefore, no voice in the matter nor any idea of what reality is.

[lbristow]

I steer clear of these discussions. Nothing good ever comes of it. However, I read the earlier thread and totally do not understand how the thread was deleted but the op of the thread NOT banned. Prolific abussive strong language aimed at specific individuals. It completely blows my mind that the individual was not banned for life. And yes lbristow I am talking about you. Please don't start that again.

sorry, still here:D

[ben62670]

So Lance I thought you were cool, and now you are playing games...

[kawizx9r]

Can't provide scientific facts that speaker cables make the difference but if my wife and I both hear the difference then what's it matter to me? What should it matter to anyone else how I spend my $ anyway right?

lbristow if you're happy with your current speaker wire then keep using it, some of us like spending some dollar on what we believe will give us better performance. And as I stated on the other thread, can't wait to get my MIT terminators from a fellow Polkie on here.

[lbristow]

As I thought, you have no personal experience and therefore, no voice in the matter nor any idea of what reality is.

as i stated in the first post, this is just a site that runs tests that is of interest to me and maybe others that are not set in their ways. like i said, i could care less if someone spends $4500 for cables, maybe if they read up on it they may make a better decision;) I believe some cables are a little better then others, and the dog may appreciate what that small difference makes,but once you have reached this point that is it, everything else is just hype. do some sound a little different:confused: yes. does that make them better, depends if you like the way it sounds. anyone that thinks you have to spend the kind of money some of this crap costs to get good sound quality is just a fool. get into the same argument on another site about motor oil. it can only get so good, then the rest is just marketing and b.s. have guy's changing the oil every 1k, yes they are nuts, but they will argue all day about it. so, let them if they sleep better at night.:) but i guess you are god and i must agree with you.

[lbristow]

Can't provide scientific facts that speaker cables make the difference but if my wife and I both hear the difference then what's it matter to me? What should it matter to anyone else how I spend my $ anyway right?

lbristow if you're happy with your current speaker wire then keep using it, some of us like spending some dollar on what we believe will give us better performance. And as I stated on the other thread, can't wait to get my MIT terminators from a fellow Polkie on here.

do not recall saying that i cared at all. i don't. this was just a link for information . deal with it people;) i personally like to know what will give me better performance:D

[lbristow]

So Lance I thought you were cool, and now you are playing games...

do not know how posting a link to a site is playing games. i just can't believe that some people get so worked up over this. if they do not like the results of some of the testing that was done then fine, i did not do it. just thought it may be of interest to some:D

[BlueFox]

...as i stated in the first post, this is just a site that runs tests that is of interest to me....

Do you know their opinion on vibration isolation gear, especially on solid state equipment? Lately, I have been reading that reducing and/or eliminating vibrations in electronic equipment improves the sound. For whatever reason, I am having a hard time believing music vibrations in equipment can degrade the sound.

[lbristow]

Do you know their opinion on vibration isolation gear, especially on solid state equipment? Lately, I have been reading that reducing and/or eliminating vibrations in electronic equipment improves the sound. For whatever reason, I am having a hard time believing music vibrations in equipment can degrade the sound.

when you say "their opinion", are you talking about the other site, or members here on the forum:confused: no, i do not believe in it, maybe if you were having a 6.5 on the richter scale:eek: I have not searched for it so i am not sure if they have any info on that or not. they are in to everything else, so maybe if you search for it on the site it may come up with something. this is the purpose of a link like this, so people like you and i can see if this has been tested and what the outcome is. hard to believe that people get worked up about such a thing.

[ben62670]

You lacking attention in the real world?

[lbristow]

You lacking attention in the real world?

what world would that be:confused: like i said, all i have done is post a link. if some can not handle that then i believe they need a little help. hell, we are talking about speaker wire here, not life or death. the post i had earlier was the same thing and i got ganged up on like a grade school kid on the wrong side of the tracks. only thing was that i do not put up with such nonsense, and some did not like it. well,they should not have started it then.

[BlueFox]

when you say "their opinion", are you talking about the other site, or members here on the forum:confused: no, i do not believe in it, maybe if you were having a 6.5 on the richter scale:eek:


I meant the other web-site, but you are right, the question also applies here. I can sort of understand how a speaker wire can improve the end sound since it has electrical characteristics that influence the load on the amp. And, I can understand how tube vibrations can affect the sound, but solid state vibrations are harder to understand and accept.

Yet, solid state vibration isolation seems to work. At least it does for me. Also, originally my stereo used hardware store stranded copper 12 gauge speaker wire, and it sounded great. However, later I spent $400 dollars, upgraded to a pair of 8’ wires, and was amazed at the improvement.

[lbristow]

I meant the other web-site, but you are right, the question also applies here. I can sort of understand how a speaker wire can improve the end sound since it has electrical characteristics that influence the load on the amp. And, I can understand how tube vibrations can affect the sound, but solid state vibrations are harder to understand and accept.

Yet, solid state vibration isolation seems to work. At least it does for me. Also, originally my stereo used hardware store stranded copper 12 gauge speaker wire, and it sounded great. However, later I spent $400 dollars, upgraded to a pair of 8’ wires, and was amazed at the improvement.

i agree, i am sure some wires do sound better than others, but to what end:confused: it has to end somewhere. i just do not believe that you have to spend a insane amount of money to see the improvement. i agree with the gauge, seems you can't go wrong with lower gauge. I would just like to get some of these guy's in a blind listening test and get the real results, then laugh. if they get this upset over a link i could just imagine how that would be:eek: i am in the medical industry, you would be amazed how people think something is better, but it is not. generic over name brand drugs for example. they will argue all day about name brand being better. it is the same thing of course. have had some that think they are in pain, get a order for a placebo instead of morphine and they feel great. all in the mind.

[ben62670]

Gage is way over rated. One of my favorite cheap cables is AQ type 4. It is very low gage as in thin. It is more about purity, construction, and the dielectric absorption of the insulation than just using a big fat cable.

[lbristow]

Gage is way over rated. One of my favorite cheap cables is AQ type 4. It is very low gage as in thin. It is more about purity, construction, and the dielectric absorption of the insulation than just using a big fat cable.

yep, not all about gauge, but seems to be a requirement for longer runs. that is why i have posted this link, it discusses this type of thing. I did buy a monster y cable that has very thin gauge wire and i did not like the way it sounded. went back to the philips and sounds better to me.:) if i remember the link had a fairly interesting article on audioquest wires too.

[F1nut]

sorry, still here

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[lbristow]

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this would be the type of thing i am talking about. pretty good back in 6th grade. I guess some people are so biased that they just act like this for no reason. pretty picture though:D

[ben62670]

Sure many of us are biased. A lot of us have tried different gear and equiptment. You are an asshat with nothing to bring to the table. Get bent:) Those who know know. Those that don't don't know they don't. Bye bye.
Ben

[lbristow]

Sure many of us are biased. A lot of us have tried different gear and equiptment. You are an asshat with nothing to bring to the table. Get bent:) Those who know know. Those that don't don't know they don't. Bye bye.
Ben

well, i guess that is the purpose, to read the outcome of different test on these products without spending a million dollars doing so. never said i was bringing anything to the table, but that would be what the link is for. oh well, you can not argue with stupidity, but i expected a little more from you ben:( this is not a forum, it is a group that you must agree with or else they ostracize you and act like children. good lord guy's, most of you have been out of high school for some time, act like it:D i think you guy's should make a list of the equipment you must have in order to be part of the gang so you do not have a thread like this again. then i will be sure to run out and get it, just to make you happy. to hell with reading up on it a little first.

[ben62670]

You are a tard. Reading tells you nothing about what you hear. Don't agree. I don't think anyone cares. You are a tiny spec in the internet world. What I think, you think matters none. Bottom line is trust your ears.
Bye
Bye

Edit: Please very short and straight to the point what is the purpose of starting this thread, and what are your findings based on?

[lbristow]

You are a tard. Reading tells you nothing about what you hear. Don't agree. I don't think anyone cares. You are a tiny spec in the internet world. What I think, you think matters none. Bottom line is trust your ears.
Bye
Bye

i agree with trusting your ears, would like to have a idea where to start. there are only 5 million types out there. if i read bad reviews that is probably not where i would start. this is common sense. glad to see you are trying to impress your forum bud's there ben. give it a rest. If you would do this you might be able to buy a car instead of having it up on blocks for a week trying to fix it;) like i said, it is just a link, if people are up in arms about it then take a xanax and get over it. the point of the thread is just info on cable that may be of interest to some. that is it. like i said, there a 5 million types out there and this may give me or someone else a idea where to start in looking for the right pair. again, never said i had any findings as this is what the purpose of the link is for. did not know that was such a big deal.

[ben62670]

I obviously don't care about going against the grain here. You have what 96 post here with next to nothing to share, and how many troll post here?
Thanks so much for sharing nothing but a useless link.
Thanks much.
Ben

[lbristow]

I obviously don't care about going against the grain here. You have what 96 post here with next to nothing to share, and how many troll post here?
Thanks so much for sharing nothing but a useless link.
Thanks much.
Ben

well ben, a lot of us do not mess with audio equipment all day and night, so we rely on info from sites like that to have a idea where we might begin. do audioquest wires sound better than what i have:confused: they might, but after reading the review i would not spend the money to find out. if someone had a pair i could try and see for myself then i would do so, then make a decision. but i guess this is a problem, not sure why, but it is. ok, so if i buy them and they suck, and i read that they did but still bought them anyway, then quite simply i am a fool. i guess the difference is this is a hobby for you, and you enjoy tinkering with things, which is fine. i just want to know what i am getting before i get it. i have no use for ten pair of speaker wires. having said that, since you do know a lot about this stuff and said you liked them, then i would be more willing to try them for that reason. but if i did not know the person then it would not mean a whole lot. so if you do not like the link then don't look at it, unless the groupies tell you to, then you must:D

[kawizx9r]

well ben, a lot of us do not mess with audio equipment all day and night, so we rely on info from sites like that to have a idea where we might begin. do audioquest wires sound better than what i have:confused: they might, but after reading the review i would not spend the money to find out. if someone had a pair i could try and see for myself then i would do so, then make a decision. but i guess this is a problem, not sure why, but it is. ok, so if i buy them and they suck, and i read that they did but still bought them anyway, then quite simply i am a fool. i guess the difference is this is a hobby for you, and you enjoy tinkering with things, which is fine. i just want to know what i am getting before i get it. i have no use for ten pair of speaker wires. having said that, since you do know a lot about this stuff and said you liked them, then i would be more willing to try them for that reason. but if i did not know the person then it would not mean a whole lot. so if you do not like the link then don't look at it, unless the groupies tell you to, then you must:D

Even used cables coming from Audioquest like you mentioned don't cost an arm and a leg, I mean heck it's alot less than going out for a meal with the significant other (imo).

And there was a demo going on for a pair of AQ Type 4's for people to try out that run "rat shack" cables and the sort. If you can't even cough up 40 bucks though, or even 50-60 (if you need a good length) then what the hell are you doing here anyway?

Edit: Forgot to add though, if you did spend said amount of money for a pair of used cables....the great thing is you can sell them for the same amount you paid. Hmmm, so I would think that's a win win situation no?

[lbristow]

Even used cables coming from Audioquest like you mentioned don't cost an arm and a leg, I mean heck it's alot less than going out for a meal with the significant other (imo).

And there was a demo going on for a pair of AQ Type 4's for people to try out that run "rat shack" cables and the sort. If you can't even cough up 40 bucks though, or even 50-60 (if you need a good length) then what the hell are you doing here anyway?

don't consider that to be a lot of money. this is the point, some would argue that these suck because the do not cost a thousand dollars:) it is not really about spending a little money, it is about getting what you pay for and not just hype. i would think anyone would spend a hundred bucks for great speaker wire. if i read a review about them and it said they sucked, then i probably would not just go out and buy them though. i am not the one running these test, i am not saying all expensive wire sucks, just passing on a link i found interesting.

[Keiko]

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[kawizx9r]

don't consider that to be a lot of money. this is the point, some would argue that these suck because the do not cost a thousand dollars:) it is not really about spending a little money, it is about getting what you pay for and not just hype. i would think anyone would spend a hundred bucks for great speaker wire. if i read a review about them and it said they sucked, then i probably would not just go out and buy them though. i am not the one running these test, i am not saying all expensive wire sucks, just passing on a link i found interesting.

You've been very repetitive in all your posts thus far :confused:

Anyway we get the point, you're not talking about 50-100 dollar cables....you're aiming at the big boy 1k-2k+ cables right? I personally wouldn't spend that much and I've got many reasons why I wouldn't.....but it's not because I don't think I'd hear at least a subtle difference. Why would you put $10k rims on a $10k car?

There were a few reviews on this forum talking about MIT shotguns and up, you can check out what others have heard and base your decision off that. Isn't that what you're doing now anyway? Coming to the conclusion that you shouldn't buy these cables because someone else said they don't hear a difference?

[lbristow]

that is even better than the first:D

[F1nut]

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[lbristow]

You've been very repetitive in all your posts thus far :confused:

Anyway we get the point, you're not talking about 50-100 dollar cables....you're aiming at the big boy 1k-2k+ cables right? I personally wouldn't spend that much and I've got many reasons why I wouldn't.....but it's not because I don't think I'd hear at least a subtle difference. Why would you put $10k rims on a $10k car?

There were a few reviews on this forum talking about MIT shotguns and up, you can check out what others have heard and base your decision off that. Isn't that what you're doing now anyway? Coming to the conclusion that you shouldn't buy these cables because someone else said they don't hear a difference?

i guess i am repetitive because all of the responses have been nothing but sad. yes, i am just looking at different reviews to help in making a decision, did not know that was such a problem. and then posted a link to some of that info. then the morons decided to come to lunch. yes, i would be much more willing to buy a certain wire if most everyone said they made a difference. up to a point that is. i am with you, i would not spend 1k on speaker wire. :)

[F1nut]

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[lbristow]

good night all, wonderful discussion with most of you tonight. most of you have made me embarrassed to say i even own polk audio speakers.

[tonyb]

Discussion of what ? You have been asked repeatedly to list the cables you have personally listened to and all you do is repeat your crap,direct people to audioholics,and insult members who have had more gear than you can stuff in your 5700 sq. foot house.
Do us all a favor,sell your polk speakers and go back to bose so you can lurk around over there.

[CoolJazz]

i am in the medical industry, you would be amazed how people think something is better, but it is not. generic over name brand drugs for example. they will argue all day about name brand being better. it is the same thing of course. ..... all in the mind.
That's funny! My Doctor sat with me just last week telling me how the generics are different and that the results do differ!

CoolJazz

[thsmith]

Its my money, I can blow it any way I want. The thing I hate is people that think it is their mission in life to educate me on how cables are all the same.

I really need to figure out the bozo list thing.

If I was in the medical field and lived in a MacMansion I would have better stuff to do.:rolleyes:

[concealer404]

OP, i still can't figure out what the purpose of this thread is, or why you insist on just repeating yourself time and time again, while dodging the questions that are asked of you.

If high end wire doesn't make a difference to your ear, then don't buy it. It's that simple.

For your reading pleasure, here's the most recent time that we've been down this road.

Read this thread, and once you get through it all, THEN post back. Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmkay?

http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80453&highlight=spearker

Welcome to my ignore list.

[lbristow]

it amazes me that people are still saying that they can not figure out the purpose of the thread. then i have other ladies saying i am just repeating myself. which is it morons:confused: i have never seen a bigger group of bitches in my life. should rename the forum crybaby for nut jobs into audio. amazing that a simple thread leads to complete and utter stupidity. sad part about this is you guy's are serious about this. you can all get into you daily circle jerk and settle down. what a bunch of pathetic loosers.:D

[concealer404]

Enlighten us. What was the purpose of this thread?

[cfrizz]

I let my wallet, and ears, and common sense make my determinations in what audio gear I get.

I don't give a rats behind what anyone else has, or is willing to spend on THEIR systems.

You rightfully claim that you were attacked with the first thread, However, you promply followed said "morons" into the gutter with your vulgar attacks, which NO but you started & things degraded from there. So you just put yourself right into the moronic, immature catagory that you labeled everyone else with. Welcome to the club.

My common sense tells me you are really just trying to cause trouble around here since you already see that most on here believe differently than you. But instead of accepting that and letting it go, you just keep trying to stir the pot more.

One more Moron going on the ignore list.

[lbristow]

actually, this is for my thesis in psychology. we are studying human behavior and i needed to come up with a way to study a group. i must say this worked. better than going to the library.:D it is a shame that some of these traits seem to be ingrained into the human species. thanks guy's, sorry for fckn with you:D

[Toolfan66]

The amazing thing is this guy is not banned after yesterdays BS. i guess it is OK to call everybody here c*#ts.




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[vc69]

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[dorokusai]

The amazing thing is this guy is not banned after yesterdays BS. i guess it is OK to call everybody here c*#ts.




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He was given an infraction and the thread was removed, stop whining. That and most of you end up doing the same thing over and over again as well. Unbelievable.