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doggie750
10-26-2009, 06:32 PM
:(

THIS IS DEEP.......so deep it hurts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY_x3SkoilQ

what would you do?

Pycroft
10-26-2009, 06:45 PM
Holy crap. I dont' know...I just can't imagine it. I'm sad I watched it :(

TECHNOKID
10-26-2009, 07:12 PM
:eek:Gosh, that was some hard to watch, my heart is still pounding in my chest :eek:That would surely be the hardest and most heart breaking choice I would have to make... I don't even want to think about such :(

SKsolutions
10-26-2009, 07:15 PM
To say it nicely, . . you wouldn't want to be riding coach that day. Better if you were in the bar car at the rear.

inspiredsports
10-26-2009, 07:27 PM
My son was about that age not too long ago and that film clip made me hurl. The sad emoticon doesn't even go a fourth of the way to describing it . . . :(

doggie750
10-26-2009, 07:43 PM
Initially I thought I knew the answer but then after watching the movie, I don't really know the answer...

damn it hurts........

MacLeod
10-26-2009, 07:45 PM
Dont think I could do it.

nguyendot
10-26-2009, 09:04 PM
That sucks. I don't think i could either.

Ron-P
10-26-2009, 09:11 PM
Easy, I would not pull the lever. My child is more important then strangers.

Face
10-26-2009, 09:27 PM
Simple answer, don't bring your kid to work with you.

nooshinjohn
10-26-2009, 09:40 PM
A little digging on the net has shown this to have not happened in real life... it is a fictional story. In my life, it could never have happened as my child would not accompany me to such a potentially dangerous place. If however, I was faced with a situation such as this, I would have pulled the lever, found my son's body and probably taken my own life from the unbearable grief.

Lasareath
10-26-2009, 09:46 PM
I couldn't get to the end, It was so slow and lame!

GV#27
10-26-2009, 09:46 PM
A little digging on the net has shown this to have not happened in real life... it is a fictional story. Actually it did happpen in real life,somebody weighed the cost and decided to go through with it.Read the last frame in the vid.:)

ohskigod
10-26-2009, 09:53 PM
I'd choose my son in a heartbeat, this from a guy that has no kids. I'm going by how my Dad felt for me.

Those people on that train wouldnt have a prayer. apparently the engineer thought the red light was a Christmas decoration? I'm gonna kill my kid because of that putz? bzzzzzzzzzzz, wrong answer

was I the only one who finds the analogy of the bridge dude and God sacrificing Christ as somewhat contrite, or am I the only jaded @sshole in this thread. Comparing Man to God? that just screams "FAIL" to me, call me kooky.

I'm not god or godlike, not possible. If I were in that scenario, my son lives, the train = going swimming. splishy splash

ohskigod
10-26-2009, 09:55 PM
oh, and P.S. it takes a set of balls to shoot heroin on a moving train. it's like trying to hit your vain with a frikken lawn dart while you're jumping rope

lanion
10-26-2009, 09:57 PM
way to teach your kid to use the death chamber lever.

Pretty contrived scenario.

ben62670
10-26-2009, 10:02 PM
It's fake.I heard this story many years ago. Gets you sucked in and messes with you though don't it.

nooshinjohn
10-26-2009, 10:05 PM
...it's a christian video...

http://www.mostthemovie.com/

http://www.christianitytoday.com/movies/reviews/2005/most.html

Monster Jam
10-26-2009, 10:12 PM
I couldn't get to the end, It was so slow and lame!

And it was STILL better than Michael Bay's Transformers! :D

shadowofnight
10-26-2009, 10:13 PM
Easy, I would not pull the lever. My child is more important then strangers.

You got that right , as hard a decision that it would be...it wouldnt take me more then a millisecond to pick my child over strangers...there is nothing more important then family...period.

ohskigod
10-26-2009, 10:14 PM
And it was STILL better than Michael Bay's Transformers! :D

nice!

MrNightly
10-26-2009, 10:16 PM
Actually it did happpen in real life,somebody weighed the cost and decided to go through with it.Read the last frame in the vid.:)

:) Indeed...

nooshinjohn
10-26-2009, 10:22 PM
Actually it did happpen in real life,somebody weighed the cost and decided to go through with it.Read the last frame in the vid.:)

as I stated... this is a christian video.

hoosier21
10-26-2009, 11:29 PM
in my world, my kid lives, sorry folks

audiobliss
10-26-2009, 11:33 PM
Actually it did happpen in real life,somebody weighed the cost and decided to go through with it.Read the last frame in the vid.:)
It's so hard to wrap my mind around that sacrifice so long ago. "Amazing grace, how sweet the sound..."

huggies
10-27-2009, 01:24 AM
Seems to be a violation of forum rules, but whatever.

warren
10-27-2009, 02:28 AM
...it's a christian video...

http://www.mostthemovie.com/

http://www.christianitytoday.com/movies/reviews/2005/most.html
Remember Job, in the Old Testment, streached his son out on the rock so he could sacrafice him, God stoped him. Bottom line....

ben62670
10-27-2009, 02:35 AM
Seems to be a violation of forum rules, but whatever.

It is not a religious debate. It is comments on a short piece of film. It was just mentioned that it was a Christian production. If this offends you that we still have a little freedom of speech I don't know what to say.

BIZILL
10-27-2009, 02:53 AM
gotta check the huggies for a load. but whatever.

warren
10-27-2009, 03:19 AM
It is not a religious debate. It is comments on a short piece of film. It was just mentioned that it was a Christian production. If this offends you that we still have a little freedom of speech I don't know what to say.
Sorry,.....it was an uncalled for comment, I didn't mean to up set any one....

ben62670
10-27-2009, 03:22 AM
It's cool. I get a little offended when our rights seem to get infringed on. I think that we should be able to talk Politics too... BTW I see you are in the area. When you going to meet up with some of us local folks? The door is always open:)
Take care.
Ben

warren
10-27-2009, 03:31 AM
Thanks Ben,
It would be nice to meet up with the local folks, any time..
My cell is 678 982 7747
warrenblue26@msn.com
Regards,
Warren

ben62670
10-27-2009, 03:32 AM
Got your number, but I would delete it while you can.
Ben

mmadden28
10-27-2009, 07:58 AM
I'd choose my son in a heartbeat, this from a guy that has no kids. I'm going by how my Dad felt for me.

Those people on that train wouldnt have a prayer. apparently the engineer thought the red light was a Christmas decoration? I'm gonna kill my kid because of that putz? bzzzzzzzzzzz, wrong answer

was I the only one who finds the analogy of the bridge dude and God sacrificing Christ as somewhat contrite, or am I the only jaded @sshole in this thread. Comparing Man to God? that just screams "FAIL" to me, call me kooky.

I'm not god or godlike, not possible. If I were in that scenario, my son lives, the train = going swimming. splishy splash

+1 absolmolutely

shack
10-27-2009, 09:18 AM
It was obvious to me from the very beginning it was a parable. The listing of music by Hillsong was another indication of it's origin.


Remember Job, in the Old Testment, streached his son out on the rock so he could sacrafice him, God stoped him. Bottom line....

Actually that was Abraham...but the story line is basically correct.

NJPOLKER
10-27-2009, 09:28 AM
I am not going to watch it.

shawn474
10-27-2009, 10:17 AM
Man, that was heavy. My wife and I watched it and were both balling by the end. I think I would have pulled the lever and then stepped in front of the train - I don't think I could have lived with the decision either way (sacraficing my son for the sake of the train passengers or vice versa). But then I think again that there is no way I could bring myself to pull it.


was I the only one who finds the analogy of the bridge dude and God sacrificing Christ as somewhat contrite, or am I the only jaded @sshole in this thread. Comparing Man to God? that just screams "FAIL" to me, call me kooky.


Agreed 100%.

janmike
10-27-2009, 10:35 AM
I am not going to watch it.

Nor me.

BIZILL
10-27-2009, 11:08 AM
this particular vid did nothing for me. certain commercials strike a chord in me more. the girlfriend was ballin'.

ohskigod
10-27-2009, 11:23 AM
this particular vid did nothing for me.'.

+1 I didnt get that emotional moment others did. I was more like, "anytime you want to run and get your kid would be great!!"

maybe I saw the Christ analogy coming right away and it set me off. I can see how some would find that to be an effective message, it wasn't effective for me.

BIZILL
10-27-2009, 11:29 AM
yeah, douche wasted too much time "deciding" which way to go. i would have saved the kid and the others. but i'm a super-hero.

this was too "hollywood" for me.

mmadden28
10-27-2009, 11:37 AM
Yep same here-it didn't hit me emotionally--I saw the analogy coming too. Some situations get me, esp with respect to a child being harmed, but this just didn't affect me. I was more like 'go get your kid you moron'.

Pauly
10-27-2009, 12:20 PM
did nothing for me either.

huggies
10-27-2009, 03:05 PM
It is not a religious debate. It is comments on a short piece of film. It was just mentioned that it was a Christian production. If this offends you that we still have a little freedom of speech I don't know what to say.

It didnt offend me. Just thought it was a violation. I too think we should be able to discuss P&R stuff, along with guns. But we've all seen how heated things get in here over much less volatile subjects.

I think the video should have been shortened by at least half. I dont think the build up helped it because it went too slow.

mmadden28
10-27-2009, 04:28 PM
I think the build up was meant to show the variety of people, both good and those that some might construe as a waste to society--without injecting any of the intent-I believe it was intended to show the sacrifice was for everybody, not just a chosen few. Even though we know the bridgemaster didn't know anything about the people, we all know the original intent of the whole thing--I also think the showing of the people especially the loving families and friends was inteded to pull the heartstrings of the viewer.

I agree it was drawn out a bit too much. Actually the father should have had less time to make a decision, and the train should have looked as if it were going much faster and potentially more destructive than it appeared to be. They could have left out the part showing the boy being sucked up into the belt system.

Just MHO

DarqueKnight
10-27-2009, 06:23 PM
what would you do?

If I had the power to supernaturally bring my child back to life, I would lower the bridge, then resurrect him, then explain to him why daddy needed him to be dead for a little while.

Since I do not possess resurrectional power, I would not sacrifice my child's life due to someone else's stupid mistake. The lives lost in the resulting tragedy would be squarely on the head of the train operator who ignored the red light.

madmax
10-27-2009, 06:33 PM
I wanted to see the boy jump up on the tracks just in time to get hit by the train and cause it to derail.

inspiredsports
10-27-2009, 08:19 PM
gotta check the huggies for a load. but whatever.

I am pretty much ROTFLMAO :D:D

MacLeod
10-27-2009, 09:58 PM
This stupid video had me thinking all day for some reason and at first I didnt think I couldve pulled the lever. My wife had our 1st baby back in July and I was thinking about this video today while holding him and came to this conclusion: there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that there would be a trainload of dead muh-fuggers! I know thats selfish and all that but I cant think of any line I wouldnt cross to save my boys life.

doggie750
10-28-2009, 11:35 AM
I believe the boy was willing to sacrifice his life to save the others. If I was the boy, I will die to save the many. It will be a honor and I'll be greatful if my Father had pulled the lever for their sake.
If I was the Father, I would have save my son first and save as many as I can....but in the moment........who really knows.

Demiurge
10-28-2009, 12:01 PM
The lesson here is to stay the eff away from train stations and drive a car or fly in a plane like normal people.

concealer404
10-28-2009, 12:30 PM
oh, and P.S. it takes a set of balls to shoot heroin on a moving train. it's like trying to hit your vain with a frikken lawn dart while you're jumping rope

I'm almost crying over this. :D

doggie750
10-28-2009, 11:22 PM
For your information this is a true story It happend in Williamsburg April 26 1854


It was obvious to me from the very beginning it was a parable. The listing of music by Hillsong was another indication of it's origin.



Actually that was Abraham...but the story line is basically correct.


A little digging on the net has shown this to have not happened in real life... it is a fictional story. In my life, it could never have happened as my child would not accompany me to such a potentially dangerous place. If however, I was faced with a situation such as this, I would have pulled the lever, found my son's body and probably taken my own life from the unbearable grief.


Actually it did happpen in real life,somebody weighed the cost and decided to go through with it.Read the last frame in the vid.:)


It's fake.I heard this story many years ago. Gets you sucked in and messes with you though don't it.


:) Indeed...


as I stated... this is a christian video.

nooshinjohn
10-28-2009, 11:32 PM
For your information this is a true story It happend in Williamsburg April 26 1854

Do you have a link to the story?... 1854 seems to predate the moving drawbridge for railroads.

shack
10-29-2009, 12:23 AM
Actually it is a folklore or legend that has been around for many years in various forms. The men who produced it tell that they got the idea for the film when one heard the story at a youth camp and the other heard the story on the radio. It may be based on an actual event (most legends are) but there is no direct evidence of a specific event. Almost every article talks about the religious symbolism of the moive. The writer even produces a set of notes describing the symbolism.

http://www.stoplooklistenbible.com/Most_DiscussionGuide.pdf

Here is a link from snopes talking about a "drawbridge" tale that predates the movie.

http://www.snopes.com/glurge/drawbridge.asp

Here is the story of how the actual movie came to be...

http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/news/local/article_1852006.php?orderby=TimeStampAscending&oncommentsPage=1&showRecommendedOnly=0

No where in the article does either of the writers say it is based on a factual event...just a story they heard.

Excerpts from the article:


It’s 1980 when Zabka first hears the story at a Christian camp. “I was there for the hotdogs and Frisbee. I was a squirrelly skateboard kid.”

But that night, a youth leader tells a campfire story about a father and son, a story that some say is true, others say is urban legend.

Fast-forward 10 years. It’s morning and Garabedian’s radio alarm goes off. He awakens to someone on a talk show telling a story – about a father and a son and a drawbridge and a decision.

Garabedian is blown away. He tells the story to Zabka (“Wait a second, I know this story!”) and talks about turning it into a movie.

shack
10-29-2009, 12:36 AM
The clip is the OP is just that...a short film clip. This is a 33 minute movie that premiered at the 2003 Sundance Film Festival, won several best of awards at various film festivals and in 2004, Zabka (screenwriter/producer) was nominated for an Academy Award for the Live Action Short Film category. The entire movie as a whole may or may not be better than what was linked in the OP.

doggie750
10-29-2009, 01:26 AM
My initial posting was misleading, got it from a source but these links attached appeared to be reliable.

Pamban Bridge story
http://juliejacobe.blogspot.com/2008/03/fathers-sacrifice-true-story.html

Full story:
http://in.christiantoday.com/articles/invigorating-pamban-bridge-an-undying-story/2756.htm

The director may have thought it was a fiction but little did they know it was real....

lightman1
10-29-2009, 02:32 AM
I do not like my children. And the two I have I hope taste like Taquitos from the roller-rack.

lightman1
10-29-2009, 02:39 AM
I don't have faith in the stories that we are supposed to believe.
Yes the story is sad. But how sad can y'all feel for those who live next door?

lightman1
10-29-2009, 02:41 AM
My initial posting was misleading, got it from a source but these links attached appeared to be reliable.

Pamban Bridge story
http://juliejacobe.blogspot.com/2008/03/fathers-sacrifice-true-story.html

Full story:
http://in.christiantoday.com/articles/invigorating-pamban-bridge-an-undying-story/2756.htm

The director may have thought it was a fiction but little did they know it was real....
A wonderful story. But a story none the less.

shack
10-29-2009, 09:25 AM
A wonderful story. But a story none the less.

Yes it is a nice story and just that...

The bridge in mentioned in the story is 2+ km long and the drawbridge is in the middle of the span. It was built by the British around 1913. There is NO WAY a single man opens the drawbridge. In fact, according to the attached article it takes TWELVE men to manually raise it the bridge.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2120/1499633743_2463c70131.jpg




Bridge of memories - and to Rameswaram - reopens
Papri Sri Raman, Indo-Asian News Service
Rameswaram (Tamil Nadu), August 11, 2007
First Published: 12:45 IST(11/8/2007)
Last Updated: 19:13 IST(11/8/2007)

Memories of migrations and times gone by stare out of every span of this British-built bridge. It is set to open to train traffic again, this time in broad gauge tracks, linking mainland Tamil Nadu with the Hindu holy town of Rameswaram.

The Pamban Bridge connects Mandapam at the edge of south India to Pamban Island on the Bay of Bengal where Rameswaram thrives. Until 1911 people crossed by boat to visit an ancient Ram temple at Rameswaram, 600 km south of Chennai.

The British built the bridge in 1913-14 across the Palk Strait dividing India and Sri Lanka for a regular train service when they decided to hire workers from Tamil Nadu to tea plantations in the island nation.

It was a time when the Tamil people of Serendip (now Sri Lanka) and the subcontinent saw themselves as one. The Boat Mail chugged on the narrow track, going right up to Land's End, 27 km south of Rameswaram.

At Dhanushkodi, the Indo-Ceylon Express and the Rameswaram Express disgorged thousands, and they took a 20-km Irvin and Goschen steamer ride to and from the emerald island for work and marriages.

A railhead at Thalaimannar, on the Sri Lankan side, took the labourers to the highland estates.

The rail track also brought to Rameswaram trains full of pilgrims from Gujarat, Uttar Pradesh and Bihar - almost entire villages travelling together to make that once-in-a-lifetime trip to the Ram temple at the very place from where the Hindu god is said to have launched his battle against Ravana. They still come in packed trains every year. It was a time when the Tamil people of Serendip (now Sri Lanka) and the subcontinent saw themselves as one.

A cyclone in 1964 washed away the track from Rameswaram to Dhanushkodi as well as a train full of people. Several grids of the Pamban Bridge were broken.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Bridge - its origins

The bridge is a bridge-building example in many ways.

It came up at a time when engineers across the world were suddenly faced with technology failures. The two most memorable collapses were the Tay Bridge collapse in Britain and the Ashtabula Bridge collapse in Ohio in 1876 - around 80 people lost their lives in each of the accidents.

Exceptionally strong vibrations due to wind stresses under a moving load created instability, and eventual collapse of the Tay Bridge. It took engineers 25-30 years to find that forces could be broken into vertical and horizontal components, and joints could be used to diffuse stress on spans.

The bridge in Tamil Nadu was built according to specifications patented by German engineer William Scherzer and there is a plea to make it an UNESCO World Heritage site.

Built with just Rs.2 million in two years by 600 workers, it is 2.06-km long, running over 10-feet deep water at places. Just strengthening it structurally this year has cost nearly Rs.250 million.

It sits on an artificial sandstone reef. Nearly 5,000 tonnes of cement, 18,000 cubic feet of crushed metal stone, 2,600 tonnes of steel and 80,000 cubic feet of boulders were used to build it.

The bridge has 145 fixed spans, and one-navigation span (a total of 225 feet) that opens for ships. The drawbridge at the centre comprises two sections of the navigation span, called the Scherzer span. Each weighs 415 tonnes.

It is a spectacular sight when drawn up to let ships through.

It requires six people on each side to manually operate and lift the moving sections for ships to pass. Experts from Indian Institute of Technology, Madras, are now engaged in motorising the moveable span.

After the 1964 cyclone, the girders of Pamban bridge were replaced and an anemometer was installed. When the wind speed crosses 55 km per hour, signals on the bridge send out an automatic warning to approaching trains.

The Pamban bridge has been closed since June 2006, to change the meter gauge rail track to broad gauge.

"We used 450 workers. People had to work at a height of 50 feet above sea level in 55 km per hour wind speeds," Divisional Manager Hemant Kumar told IANS.

After the gauge conversion, the first ship was allowed to pass under the bridge June 21. The bridge, which is ready for broad gauge traffic, will be inaugurated in a few days time.

BIZILL
10-29-2009, 02:50 PM
in that pic i see Jesus walking on water. i just killed the thread.

doggie750
10-29-2009, 03:30 PM
Some say it really happen others say it's fiction but the message is real.

I remember when I was a kid, i witnessed a man carrying a refrigerator twice his size when their house was on fire. When a moment/ andrenaline/ faith kicks in, anything is possible.

Done.

shack
10-29-2009, 03:51 PM
I have no problem with the story, theme, religious symbolism and message...I just don't like someone saying this really happened or this is fact when it isn't. That cheapens the message when it isn't necessary.