Pangea AC-9 Power Cord

[Zero]

So, the other day I decided to browse the Audio Advisor site just to check out the latest and greatest. As per usual, it didn't take long for my wallet found itself in the all too familiar "open" position. After minutes of browsing, I decided to order a few power cords from a relatively new brand (Pangea). The price seemed right, and I figure, with a solid 30 day trial period - there isn't much to lose on the deal.

Well, I just got the power cords in yesterday, and although I haven't had the opportunity to give them a long listen, I must say that I am extremely impressed with the build quality of these beasts! Initial listening impressions are positive as well. Anyways, it seems like this may be something worth checking out. The build quality is there, and the price seems more than fair. Just follow da link and see em' for yourself:

http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=PGAC9

And for some real world pics, here ya go:



edit: Yes, the AC-9 is attacking me in the pic!

[heiney9]

Look forward to hearing your impressions as I've been there about a dozen times ready to pull the trigger, but because of lack of decent feedback I was hesitant.

They look nice and I've read about the "killer" build quality, but not a whole lot from people who's listening impressions I would trust as being 100% unbiased. Please, burn them in and give them a long listen and give us your impressions.

H9

[NotaSuv]

bought 2 of them about a month ago and very happy...again I am not one to use those audio buzz words, but for me the sound was a bit more detailed and cleaner sounding than the Signal MagicPower PC's that were replaced

[heiney9]

bought 2 of them about a month ago and very happy...again I am not one to use those audio buzz words, but for me the sound was a bit more detailed and cleaner sounding than the Signal MagicPower PC's that were replaced

Good to know. I just bought (3) used 3M MIT Z power cables, but I need a couple more for the office rig so I might pull the trigger on the Pangea's.

H9

P.s. A little better than the Signal's is a pretty good thing, as those are nice to begin with ;)

[venomclan]

They seem to like them a lot at Audiocircle.

[NotaSuv]

Good to know. I just bought (3) used 3M MIT Z power cables, but I need a couple more for the office rig so I might pull the trigger on the Pangea's.

H9

P.s. A little better than the Signal's is a pretty good thing, as those are nice to begin with ;)

I was very happy with the Signals until I heard these locally... think you will be quite happy with these....

[madmax]

I plan on picking up a few as soon as I get home and do a head count on what I currently have. Thanks for the heads up!
madmax

[ViperZ]

Very good price indeed.

[heiney9]

To piggyback my earlier post it seems the word is getting out as both Cable Asylum and Headfi have some user threads. A few months ago when I was looking there didn't seem to be very many user impressions.

As soon as I see what I owe Uncle Sam; I'll be finishing out what I need using Pangea cords.

H9

[Face]

As soon as I see what I owe Uncle Sam; I'll be finishing out what I need using Pangea cords.

H9If there's any left. :D

Speaking of, where are my returns already?!


Sean, are you even old enough to drink?

[W WALDECKER]

Ive been running the AC-9 on the power amp and the AC-14's on the CDP and the Preamplifier for about two weeks. very nice

[pearsall001]

I've had them in my system for quite awhile now...tickled pink with their performance & superb build quality. If you look on the PC Audio web site & read up on their power cables, Jay's name comes up quite often & how his patents are put into play with the PC top of the line PC's. Apparently Jay has quite a lot of patents on cable geomentry & design & is well respected in the field. For the price they're a no-brainer.

[WastelandWand'r]

Saw these in their catalog. If anything they are impressively large and sure to impress. They would look so much nicer on then the stock ugly ones I have.

I believe Geoff727 listed them in his equipment signature and he may have some comment.
Geoff????
Nathan

[Cpyder]

I'd love to hear what you think. I've always been on the fence about audible improvements with power cables. Please try to be as objective as possible. Try switching back and forth with your old cable to see if you can hear definite differences.

[PSOVLSK]

Da** It. You guys are going to end up costing me $100. I've almost ordered a couple of these since I got the catalog a few weeks ago and you're pushing me over the edge.

[praedet]

I'm new to the PC stuff, so please forgive the noob question.

My preamp only has a 2 prong connection at the back, and my amp has a 3-prong where they are all sideways...

How do I get cords for those?

[Face]

My preamp only has a 2 prong connection at the backLike this, a C7? http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS310&=&q=C7%20connector&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi


my amp has a 3-prong where they are all sideways...20amp IEC?
http://images.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS310&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=20+amp+IEC+connector&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&start=0

[concealer404]

I've been itching over these for a bit now.... Zero, it's all on you! You'll be my deciding factor. :D

[DMara]

Like this, a C7? http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS310&=&q=C7%20connector&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

20amp IEC?
http://images.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS310&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=20+amp+IEC+connector&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&start=0


Face, what about the Denon AVR-2808ci power cord? What type is this?:
http://www.audioproducts.com.au/downloadcenter/DOCs/brochures/Denon/avr2808bk.jpg

[polkatese]

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.powersuppliesonline.co.uk/public/ranges/images/137/PC026_250.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.powersuppliesonline.co.uk/ranges/mains-cable/13/default.htm&usg=__hteOx5uUc0m7GecAV5fUepISvsg=&h=250&w=250&sz=42&hl=en&start=8&sig2=gmN2oFUIKS8aSJ0r4m8ZBg&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=SBhlZtGajkBzpM:&tbnh=111&tbnw=111&prev=/images%3Fq%3DC7%2Bconnector%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26s a%3DN%26rlz%3D1G1GGLQ_ENUS310%26tbs%3Disch:1&ei=8JurS-Ropp62A9DDrIAM

Euro plug?

[PSOVLSK]

Don't overlook the fact that you can buy a 3-pack of 1m or 1.5m for a little bit of a discount.

[Face]

Face, what about the Denon AVR-2808ci power cord? What type is this?Standard 15amp IEC.

[DMara]

Buying directly from Audio Advisor requires to spend at least $200 to get free shipping. However, you can get free shipping no matter how much if buying via Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=sr_nr_i_1?rh=i%3Aelectronics%2Ck%3Apangea&keywords=pangea&ie=UTF8&qid=1269559742

[bopicasso]

Would the AC-9 be a good upgrade for the pioneer elite 21txh??? I think the female end is only a 2 prong.

[bopicasso]

I was going to order a C9 cable from BPT for my B&k but decided to try the pangea instead for half the price.
Im also going to try out the AC-14 for my ps3.
I would love to find a similar cable for my pioneer 21txh. But I dont think either pangea cables will work for it.
Any recomendations??

[RuSsMaN]

Sean, I'm not going to do it, or have any part in it, or even think about condoning it - but that picture WILL be photoshopped, and it's going to be ugly.

That being said, I'm in the power cord camp, but to a degree. I buy and use big hunks of copper, with high quality connectors, that's all I look for - deliver the voltage, period. That Pangea seems to fit the bill.

Cheers,
Russ

PS - Are you still in mom's basement? Gotta move bro, gotta move. Nice Speakers.

[Zero]

Russ,

Hindsight is a bitch. Had I considered the wonders of photoshop, I would have closed my eyes and opened my mouth just a little..


All,

Well, it looks like I won't have a chance to report on the Pangea's. Why? Because my dumb ass didn't calculate how thick these cables would be. In short, I can't even work them. Oh well. Back in the box they go.

[bopicasso]

Well I have a AC9 and AC14 taking a road trip with fedex from audio advisor to my house. The ac9 will be used with my b&K and the ac14 with my ps3 and my pioneer vsx-21txh to see which gives better results for music.

[rcrook317]

been debating the ac-9 for like 2 mnths for my emo.for looks its great but dont think most audio companies would send subpar cables w/ there ampos to begin w.

But for 65 bucks u cant go wrong just on the fence if im gonna actually hear a difference in sound or spend 65 bucks so i can say"hey man look back there at that f*ckin huge cable!"

[bopicasso]

I have a balanced power technologies c9 power cable and switched it with the b&k factory cable and noticed a difference. tighter bass. But I use the C9 for my Clean power center and the c9 cable is 150 dollars. So im hoping the pangea is as good as the bpt, or im sending it back before my month trial is up.

[madmax]

Because my dumb ass didn't calculate how thick these cables would be. In short, I can't even work them.

Are they not flexible enough? Is that the problem?

[Emlyn]

Are they not flexible enough? Is that the problem?

The Audio Advisor model gives a nice demonstration here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyLEKViWbB4

Either she has strong hands, or the cord is fairly flexible for its size. :D

[praedet]

So, what to do about the 20-amp cords?

[Face]

Buy a different power cord. SignalCable offers 20amp cords.

[Erik Tracy]

Mine just showed up:
1 AC-9 for my A5 Int amp
2 AC-14s for my CD and BDP

First impressions later this weekend - Friday is family night - don't have a kitchen pass to play w/ the rig :p

[Jer.War]

I wanted to try an ac-14 for my lcd tv, but audioadvisor gave me the run around regarding sending the cord to a us address (I live in Canada, eh). This is how I conduct most of my e-business to avoid the insane "Brokerage and Handling" charges when packages cross customs. I am gonna give it another shot though... maybe it will slip through the cracks.... I do it on a Friday.... Anyone tried these cables with a vid. display?? For the money you cant really beat it just considering the uprgraded plug, and shielding alone when compared to a cheap-stock cord.

[PSOVLSK]

I wanted to try an ac-14 for my lcd tv, but audioadvisor gave me the run around regarding sending the cord to a us address (I live in Canada, eh). This is how I conduct most of my e-business to avoid the insane "Brokerage and Handling" charges when packages cross customs. I am gonna give it another shot though... maybe it will slip through the cracks.... I do it on a Friday.... Anyone tried these cables with a vid. display?? For the money you cant really beat it just considering the uprgraded plug, and shielding alone when compared to a cheap-stock cord.

Did you try buying through Amazon?

[Erik Tracy]

I shut down my rig to get these new AC cords in.

Jezzzuuss, the AC-9 is a beast of a cable - VERY hard to twist to get the plugs oriented.

I used the AC-9 to go from my Panamax AC conditioner to my wall outlet. The Panamax has its inlet receptacle in a 'vertical' orientation and my wall outlet is the normal 'horizontal' plane. Dang tough to twist this beast to line up both ends!! There is a lot of tension on this on the wall outlet side.

The AC-14's are much more flexible - nice construction - but the component plug end doesn't quite snuggly fit into either my CD or BDP - they both 'sagged' down a bit. I snugged them up by wrapping masking tape around the plug end - now they are tight and snug.

Sound?

Still running them thru their paces. For my CDP - nice black background and no noise at all.

More later.

[hearingimpared]

Wow very inexpensive. Sean what's the burnin period like?

EDIT; just read your comments about not being able to use them. Anyone here who have used them, what's the burnin period like?

[polkatese]

Jezzzuuss, the AC-9 is a beast of a cable - VERY hard to twist to get the plugs oriented.

I used the AC-9 to go from my Panamax AC conditioner to my wall outlet. The Panamax has its inlet receptacle in a 'vertical' orientation and my wall outlet is the normal 'horizontal' plane. Dang tough to twist this beast to line up both ends!! There is a lot of tension on this on the wall outlet side.



Even SC Magic PC is a pain to deal with. I agree with you, compounded to my situation by my wall unit setup. I also use a Panamax with vertical IEC orientation. That's the biggest reason why I stopped experimenting/auditioning power cords.

[hearingimpared]

Even SC Magic PC is a pain to deal with. I agree with you, compounded to my situation by my wall unit setup. I also use a Panamax with vertical IEC orientation. That's the biggest reason why I stopped experimenting/auditioning power cords.

Yep same thing here. I have one attached to the outboard power supply of my Spectral preamp and the stiffness causes the power supply to literally stick out of the front of the rack. It's only about .5 meters and can't be bent or shaped to relieve the stress.

[Emlyn]

It looks like the AC-9 is about the same size and has the same flexibility as the PS Audio Statement cords from a couple generations ago. I tried a 1 meter Statement cord and found it wouldn't bend enough to avoid putting too much stress either on the wall outlet or the receptacle in an amp. The solution was to send the shorter cord back and use a 1.5 meter cord, and not have the rack close to the back wall. That gave enough room to bend. It's also a good idea to twist and bend the cord into shape, increasing the flexibility of all the insulation materials before trying to use it on gear. I ordered a 1.5 meter AC-9 cord through Amazon to compare with the PS Audio products.

[Beta]

About two weeks ago I replaced every power cord in my rig with PS Audio's AC-5. I am now using an AC-5 power cord with my Halo A-21 amp, Halo P3 pre amp, Cambridge Audio 840C CDP, Cambridge Audio 650T Tuner, Channel Islands Audio VDC-9.0 high current power supply connected to my Wadia 170 transport and my power conditioner.

I also replaced the power receptacle that I connect my power conditioner to with a PS Audio Power Port Premier.

Overkill? Maybe. Nonetheless, this hobby is even more enjoyable for me as I continue to tweak things during my elusive quest for audio perfection.

As I have stated repeatedly on this forum, audio performance/sound is subjective to the individual listener. My ears detect a significant improvement in sound quality with the above referenced additions. My wife's do as well. I am quite pleased with these products incorporated into my system.

Andy

[polkatese]

Good deal Andy! The Journey is important, moreso than the End result.

[hearingimpared]

Good deal Andy! The Journey is important, moreso than the End result.

Hmmmmmmmm I see it as the journey is the fun that leads to a great end result! Am I splitting hairs?:confused::eek:

[polkatese]

That's what I meant Joe, since we had so many threads in the past, arguing on the why the journey is a waste of time...remember? :)

[Jer.War]

Would someone be able to post a pic illustrating the AC-14 flexibility.... My setup wont let me deal with to stiff a monster (...Thats what she said...)
:)

[Erik Tracy]

Would someone be able to post a pic illustrating the AC-14 flexibility.... My setup wont let me deal with to stiff a monster (...Thats what she said...)
:)

How long of a run do you need?

I got the 1m length of the AC-14 and it is quite managable/flexible - I would not worry about this one.

[Jer.War]

I would probably need a 2m length. Good to know though, maybe I'll give amazon a whirl...poor credit card....:(

[Erik Tracy]

I would probably need a 2m length. Good to know though, maybe I'll give amazon a whirl...poor credit card....:(

2m? You'll be fine - the AC-14 is very managable.

[Jer.War]

Thanks for the info. Ill give 'em a whirl.

[madmax]

The Audio Advisor model gives a nice demonstration here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyLEKViWbB4

Either she has strong hands, or the cord is fairly flexible for its size. :D

I had to watch that video twice. The second time I noticed what she was actually demonstrating. :D

[danz1906]

Good looking Power Cord the AC-9,,,,,looks very close to the PS Audio cords.

[Conradicles]

.... Anyone tried these cables with a vid. display??

Wondering the same thing here. I may get a 3 pack of the AC-14 for my Plasma, PS3, and Power-Amp.

[Polkie2009]

After reading on here about these Pangea power cords,I decided to bite the bullet and order a AC-9 2 meter length. I've never been one to spend money on this type of item, but I'll give it a try.

[AGUERRA]

that's one big scary cord:eek: might give one a try to see if i hear a difference cause thats a nice price and 30 day return period might just have to give in

[reeltrouble1]

The Journey is important, moreso than the End result.

Somehow I feel better reading this............

we did this years ago but nothing like stirring some echoes for the young ones, besides, the price is so little, if possible get one for all your gear to get the most benefit.

RT1

[Erik Tracy]

Wondering the same thing here. I may get a 3 pack of the AC-14 for my Plasma, PS3, and Power-Amp.

They should make a version of the AC-14with a 90-degree connector for plasmas like PS Audio does. I picked up one of these cuz I have my plasma mounted to the wall - the 90-degree AC plug end is VERY useful.

[madmax]

Just ordered two 2M AC9's for the Manley tube amps and a 2M AC14 for a DAC. Thanks for the heads up on these cables! I hope they sound as good as some of the PS-Audio cables I've tried. If not they will pull duty on the record cleaning machine, plasma or something.
madmax

[rcrook317]

allright guys...just placed order for the 1 meter cable.
I'D BETTER HEAR A DIFFERENCE IN SOUND! Or Ill return it and blast every damn power cable thread on here.


Thanks

[hearingimpared]

allright guys...just placed order for the 1 meter cable.
I'D BETTER HEAR A DIFFERENCE IN SOUND! Or Ill return it and blast every damn power cable thread on here.


Thanks

I wouldn't put all my eggs in one basket with a $50 power cord . . . that's just me.:)

[rcrook317]

I know, i know.Ive cinsidered adding new cable for whole rig but i wanna try one w/ the amp 1st.
So many people go on and on about the upgrade in sound w new(power) cables which im totally on the fence about but for 50 bucks i figured its worth a try.

What no sarcasm allowed anymore?????

[hearingimpared]

I know, i know.Ive cinsidered adding new cable for whole rig but i wanna try one w/ the amp 1st.
So many people go on and on about the upgrade in sound w new(power) cables which im totally on the fence about but for 50 bucks i figured its worth a try.

What no sarcasm allowed anymore?????

Sorry I would have been more inclined to see sarcasm if some :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: were thrown in!:D

Seriously though, I think you find the most dramatic improvement if you put the new power cable on one of your sources.:)

[rcrook317]

will fully admit,when i upgraded my speaker cables to the maestros and added aq diamonback there was a significant difference.
i just question how much a difference a power cable can do .
but i like added new tweaks to the rig any way.
I just got new brass spikes from oregondv last week,personally i hear no difference but they make the speakers look badass.already have several people notice the minute they walk in the room

[rcrook317]

Sorry I would have been more inclined to see sarcasm if some :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: were thrown in!:D

Seriously though, I think you find the most dramatic improvement if you put the new power cable on one of your sources.:)


Nah, i try not to be a *sshole on here(keep that for real life)!
But do u really think this would do better at the source rather than the amp?

audioadvisor mentions numerous times in their catalog that the ac-9 is specifically for amps when the ac-14 is for sources??????

[hearingimpared]

Nah, i try not to be a *sshole on here(keep that for real life)!
But do u really think this would do better at the source rather than the amp?

audioadvisor mentions numerous times in their catalog that the ac-9 is specifically for amps when the ac-14 is for sources??????

Well I've several OEM power cables and noticed the biggest improvements when added to the sources and preamps. However, if they claim that the AC-9 is specifically for amps who am I to argue.:o

[rcrook317]

well ill start w the amp....add as i go.lucky for me my rack is pretty short so the ac-9 should be able to swap out of hk 354 and cdp and amp.....
thanks for input

[xcapri79]

well ill start w the amp....add as i go.lucky for me my rack is pretty short so the ac-9 should be able to swap out of hk 354 and cdp and amp.....
thanks for input

Stay with the upgrades to your electronics and speakers. The rest is more audio myth and a waste of your money.;)

[hearingimpared]

Stay with the upgrades to your electronics and speakers. The rest is more audio myth and a waste of your money.;)

Where's your proof behind this statement. How about sharing your experience with this "proof."

[NotaSuv]

hhhmmm..... I have heard the proof and seen the light..................

[bopicasso]

Well I just received mine via fedex. Im using the ac9 for my amp and the ac14 for the receiver. First of all, the ac9 is HUGE! Stay tuned after a few hours of listening....

[hearingimpared]

Well I just received mine via fedex. Im using the ac9 for my amp and the ac14 for the receiver. First of all, the ac9 is HUGE! Stay tuned after a few hours of listening....

Is there any mention of burn-in in the literature that came with the cable?

[madmax]

Stay with the upgrades to your electronics and speakers. The rest is more audio myth and a waste of your money.;)

You mean I just wasted $200 in cables for nothing? Bummer.
madmax

[hearingimpared]

You mean I just wasted $200 in cables for nothing? Bummer.
madmax

Yep, you may as well take those cables and self flagellate yourself with them as according to X that's all their good for.:rolleyes:

[hearingimpared]

Great. Another thread soon to be closed thanks to the know-it-alls. When I receive these cables this week I will start a new thread for the review of before/after stock AC cords versus these cords.

It won't get closed unless it gets ugly which thus far it has not.

[heiney9]

It won't get closed unless it gets ugly which thus far it has not.

Yeah, well around here the subject matter alone is enough to shut it down. It would be nice if the naysayers actually either tried this specific cable or other's but it won't happen in our lifetime Joe...................you know, cause they already know it all. :rolleyes:

I'm just not sure if the AC9 (because of its mass size) will work for me. I need a fairly long run so I know that helps with the flexibility. I just bought (3) MIT Z cords for all my source/digital pieces now I need something for the amp.

H9

[bopicasso]

The only literature is on the box and it says nothing about burn in period.

[Monjul]

On another forum a listening test was conducted on an Oppo 83E which tested both the AC14 and AC9. The AC-9 was said to have slightly "more body" than the AC-14 but if you read the lit on the box of the AC-9, it is designed to roll off the highs since it's existence revolves around the high current draw of power amps. This might account for the difference.

I recently recieved a 1 meter length of the AC-9 and initially tried it on my Cambridge 640C v2. Although it was a bear to get it not to disturb the CD player's isolation because of it's shear bulk, (I had to support it with a peice of wood), I only heard a slight improvement over the current 14ga. "Jellyfish" cable but a proper break-in might change that.

What amazed me though was the effect it had on my Kinergetics subwoofer amp. Not only was the bass tighter, but I didn't have to adjust the sub volume as high to get it to blend with a pair of modified Spica TC-50's. What was even more ear opening was that the ambience on certain well-made recordings extended an extra 2-3 feet outside the Spica's. Wow, and it's not even broken in yet!

After experiencing all of that, I decided to order a 1 meter length of AC-14 for the CD player.

[hearingimpared]

Welcome to Club Polk Monjul! Nice write up!

[reeltrouble1]

RT1 ism

audio gear continues to break in until it is broke.

[NotaSuv]

RT1 ism

audio gear continues to break in until it is broke.



and a good ism at that.....

[agfrost]

RT1 ism

audio gear continues to break in until it is broke.

If you had published that as a one-sentence book, I'd already have an order placed at Amazon. :D

[Emlyn]

I ordered one on Saturday evening, and it arrived today. Ordered through Amazon, but came from Audio Advisor with free shipping of course. Always good service from them.

[Monjul]

I just noticed that AA is selling a new version of the AC-14 labled as the AC-14SE (Signature Edition). The pricing per length is now the same as the AC-9. What's up with that? Did they realize that thier current pricing is relatively low, made some minor changes and are now charging more for it?

[Monjul]

Welcome to Club Polk Monjul! Nice write up!

Thanks and it's nice to be here. I'm one of the older Polk owners in that I purchased a Monitor 10 when it first arrived on the scene back in , I guess, the 70's. Back then I lived in a Philly row home and boy, did my neighbors hate that speaker! It actually had bass and was fairly smooth overall but once I heard the imaging of the new Ohm Walsh2 I had to have it and sold the Polks to a friend who owned them for years. I'm sure my neighbors were grateful for the that. The Ohm's couldn't compete in the low end.

[heiney9]

I just noticed that AA is selling a new version of the AC-14 labled as the AC-14SE (Signature Edition). The pricing per length is now the same as the AC-9. What's up with that? Did they realize that thier current pricing is relatively low, made some minor changes and are now charging more for it?

Link?

I'm on their site now, I don;t see what you're talking about.

[newsman]

I agree, I don't see AC14SE on their site. I even did a search. I think you are smoking :p
There was a rumor on AudioAsylum that according to AudioAdvisor rep the prices for these cords will be going up. I took it with a grain of salt: molded connector, lots of loose strands on braiding - I don't see these cables sell at much higher price. But overall I like AC9, and planning on ordering AC14 for digital gear, unless the mysterious AC14SE shows up, ooooooo! Seriously though, they need a flexible AC12 cord for digital gear that won't rip out the socket out of equipment :D

[Erik Tracy]

I agree, I don't see AC14SE on their site. I even did a search. I think you are smoking :p
There was a rumor on AudioAsylum that according to AudioAdvisor rep the prices for these cords will be going up. I took it with a grain of salt: molded connector, lots of loose strands on braiding - I don't see these cables sell at much higher price. But overall I like AC9, and planning on ordering AC14 for digital gear, unless the mysterious AC14SE shows up, ooooooo! Seriously though, they need a flexible AC12 cord for digital gear that won't rip out the socket out of equipment :D

I think it is in their new print catalog - I got a new one in the box that my AC-9 came in.
I'll have to check later to confirm - and what, if anything, is different between the SE and the 'regular' AC14.

Maybe SE means "sudden excitement" for consumer interest? :D

[mizthuphee]

I made a quick comparison between the AC-14 & AC-14SE (Special Edition). Source was the catalog that came with my new Oppo BDP 83SE and yes they are not on the website. Do not have any idea what they are. Can somebody explain? :confused:

I placed an order for pack of 3 of AC-14 last 3/25 and status is backorder :mad:

[Monjul]

I think it is in their new print catalog - I got a new one in the box that my AC-9 came in.
I'll have to check later to confirm - and what, if anything, is different between the SE and the 'regular' AC14.

Maybe SE means "sudden excitement" for consumer interest? :D

You beat me to it. It's in the new catalogue that came with the AC-9.

I see that they mention Litz wire in the SE which I don't think is used in their standard cable.

Yesterday I was told that the back ordered AC-14 should be in within a week to 10 days. I'm not holding my breath....

[newsman]

Hmm, my bad mizthuphee for doubt. Did they have a picture of AC14SE? I wonder if they read multiple posts about people wanting to use AC9 on their digital front end, but unable due to heft, and opting for cheaper AC14. Somebody in AudioAdvisor thought, that's profit lost - and Bam! AC14SE are here! Smart move, and one they most likely to repeat with AC9. There was a rumor, I mentioned, that they were talking about price increase on these cord, but I doubted such increase due to built quality, brand recognition and competitiveness. It looks like they had a similar reasoning and opting for releasing a "better" cable to justify price increase. Well plaid.

[Monjul]

I just spoke with AA. The 1 meter AC-14 will be BO'd for some time. The ETA is unknown and the standard AC-14 is not scheduled to be discontinued any time soon. Also note that the AC-14SE wil not be available for quite some time according to AA.

So for $5 more I opted for a 1.5 meter which is in stock and being shipped today. Maybe this info will assist you in making your purchase decision.

[philli]

I purchased 3 of these a few weeks ago. They need a week or so to come into their own. At first too much bass, and veiled and slow.

After 3 days or so they start opening up to the point they sound bright, then they start gaining body and things even out.

Unless you buy Lessloss cables for big $$$$, these sound as good as any out there on the market. I been trying cords for 25 years and I heard many, some up to $2,000.

They do so much good as the others costing $$$$, that you have no reason to spend more unless you really into audio and want two really tweak your system.

I inserted one AC-9 to my McIntosh Preamp and left the Lessloss in the rest of the gear, and I thought I lost nothing but gained a nice touch of body to the music. I was surprised and I must say very impressed.

Are they as good as the Lessloss, no, but then no power cord is, but I will say this I could live with them if I had not heard the Lessloss, and I might just keep the one AC-9 in the system for that added weight that they gave.

I will run the AC9 for the next month and then insert them into the audio system throughout and see what changes happen.

I liked the Pangea's so much In order several more for my audio system. The new AC-14 signatures coming out in May.

[newsman]

Hmm, I can't find any mention of AC14SE in the latest catalog I got from AudioAdvisor.

[rcrook317]

first off......recieved ac-9 2 days after ordering(rite on AA)!secondly.....this thing is freaking huge!had a bit of trouble flexing it around to the socket as my rack sits only few inches from wall.
Could have got away w/ .6 meter but got the 1m just to be safe down the road.
So far happy w/ build quality,only got about 1/2 hr listening in before family pulled in driveway so cant make critical decision on improvwmwnt of sound but did sound slightly fuller....could just be phsychchological cause i know in back of mind i know theres a new 50 dollar cable hooked up......will report back few days

thanks to whoever posted original link few mnths back in cable demo thread.....good cable for cheap

[reeltrouble1]

looks like plenty of FB activity for this one.

RT1

[Erik Tracy]

Hmm, I can't find any mention of AC14SE in the latest catalog I got from AudioAdvisor.

The 'new' catalog has the Manley Stingray amp on the front, the AC14SE is on page 7 of the new catalog.

[Monjul]

I received the AC-14 but had significant problems getting it to fit correctly in my Cambridge 640c v2 although every other cable fits fine in this player. A slight wiggle and the CD player would loose power. So I decided to take it over to my computer power supply IEC and found it was loose connected there also. But when I forced it fairly hard, it seated fully in the connector which means that the female connectors were probably too tight.

Moving back the CD player, it worked and seated fully in the CD player but was still a hair loose because of it's bulk. So I wrapped a thin strip of Blu-Tac around the bottom of the connector right above the "handle" that says Pangea and it fit like a glove. Now, it doesn't budge one bit. So be aware of this issue if purchasing. (Note that electrical tape did nothing to tighten things). I'll let you know how it sounds after break-in. BTW, the Jellyfish cable is a pretty decent sounding cable for $29. I'll use this on my TV.

Moving back to the AC-9, I'm ecstatic how my sub amp has performed with this cord. The bass is smoother, much more powerful and the recorded ambience it brought out is amazing and it's getting better every day.

I don't have much experience trying different PC's, but these cables for these prices are worth serious consideration if you're in the market for PC replacements.

[Ern Dog]

Just ordered the AC-9 from Amazon for my amp :)

[Monjul]

I guess none of us was paying attention, LOL.

The Pangea AC-14SE is a C7, 2-female prong, non- polarized connector. This model does not replace the AC-14 which is 3-prong, grounded IEC.

[Emlyn]

The catalog shows the AC-14SE as a three conductor grounded cord. The difference between it and the AC-14 is the center conductor is a solid PCOCC conductor surrounded by medium gauge solid conductors and litz conductors. In the AC-14, the conductors are OFC copper only.

[Erik Tracy]

The catalog shows the AC-14SE as a three conductor grounded cord. The difference between it and the AC-14 is the center conductor is a solid PCOCC conductor surrounded by medium gauge solid conductors and litz conductors. In the AC-14, the conductors are OFC copper only.

True - but the picture is for the side going to the outlet. The description below the picture does say that the component side is a C7.

[Emlyn]

True - but the picture is for the side going to the outlet. The description below the picture does say that the component side is a C7.

Ah, I didn't see page 7. There are two versions. Page 7 of the Audio Advisor catalog shows the C7 version. Page 85 has the IEC version. They actually make an IEC to C& adapter too, which is almost as expensive as the cord.

Good idea to just build both!

[Erik Tracy]

Ah, I didn't see page 7. There are two versions. Page 7 of the Audio Advisor catalog shows the C7 version. Page 85 has the IEC version. They actually make an IEC to C& adapter too, which is almost as expensive as the cord.

Good idea to just build both!

Yeah a bit confusing.

Page 7 specifically says the component side is C7 and the cable part number is PGAC14S7 (the 7 being for "C7").

Then on page 85, there is NO mention of an IEC version, but if you look at the part number it is different:
PGAC14SI (the "I" being for IEC)


The devil is in the detail as the saying goes...

[Monjul]

You're right. There are 2 versions. Not confusing at all.....

If the new 14 is the same price as the AC-9 then which is the better choice for a source component as many prefer the 9 to the 14 regardless of what it's connected to?

[newsman]

Does anyone have a picture of the new AC14SE? ( geeez :rolleyes: )
Is the connector the same?

[Erik Tracy]

Does anyone have a picture of the new AC14SE? ( geeez :rolleyes: )
Is the connector the same?

Which end? :p

From the catalog the wall end does look the same, and if you read above, you can get the component end either as IEC or C7 - your pick.

[newsman]

Thanks. Nah, I was just wondering whether they changed the ends to something better. Is cable nylon housing also the same? How do you tell SE vs regular version apart?

[Monjul]

Now this is interesting. My CD player with the AC-14 sounds better straight into the dedicated line I have for my audio system. Previously, it sound it's very best plugged into the isolation transformer outlet on my API Power Wedge 112. I verified this 6 times. It must be the shielding on the PC which the other cords did not have. I may have to sell the 112 as it's nearly useless to me now.

[Cscamp20]

I just bought an AC9 from Amazon (audio advisor) to avoid shipping charges and when i opened the fedex box, mine wasn't in a pangea box. Just a ziploc type clear bag. It's seem kinda odd coz the AC14 i bought last week came with a Pangea box. So im skeptical that i might have gotten a used one because its not as stiff as my AC14. Hmmm! Did AA just send me a used AC9??? i know its just a box but i just want the truth.

My question is to the people who bought the AC9, did yours come with a Pangea box?

[F1nut]

Seems like a question you should be asking Amazon (audio advisor).

[mizthuphee]

I received my .6 m AC9 yesterday, also from Amazon, and it was also in a ziplock type bag. Hmmm, did not thought about that.
I had a 1.5m AC9 in my Amazon cart, I just checked & there was a message that they are currently out of stock and if I want to move it to my wishlist. also, my 3 pack AC14 order from AA is still pending.

[DMara]

Even though you paid via Amazon, it's AudioAdvisor who shipped the power cords. I bought one 2m AC9 and two .5m AC9. Though they arrived in the same package, the 2m came in a Pangea box while the other two were in ziploc bag. Originally I guess they were trying to save space. (I eventually returned the two .5m because there was no way I could bend those thick & short cords).

[Cscamp20]

ok, so it's not just me. i emailed Audio Advisor. I'll let you guys know when they reply. They are probably trying to save space. BTW, I also got a .6 m.

Currently using the AC14 for my NAD receiver and auditioning how much improvement it will make compared to the thin stock cable. Will try the AC9 in a couple days and move the AC14 to the cd player. I dont know how ill be able to route this going out from my media console to the outlet coz this thing is very thick.

[Polkie2009]

You want the truth? You can't handle the truth! JK, I ordered a AC-9 2m. last week and it arrived in a nice box. Decided to order another AC-9 1m and a AC-14 1.5m. One of them is on back order,sounds like sales are brisk.

[Cscamp20]

just got a reply from Tim from Audio advisor

"Thank you for your purchase and e-mail. You got a new cable, some of the sizes just come in plastic bags and there is no box for that particular model. Sorry for any inconvenience."

ahhhh! i feel much better now :P

[madmax]

Two of mine shipped a few days ago and another shipped today. There must be a bit of a run on these cables.
madmax

[Erik Tracy]

Two of mine shipped a few days ago and another shipped today. There must be a bit of a run on these cables.
madmax

Blame it on me...:D

BTW, the AC14s and the AC9 are working fantastic!

I really like the AC14s...but, still watching the AC9 to make sure the torque/pressure doesn't make it work itself out of the outlet.....good-golly what a beast. I got the 0.6m - unless you have a straight shot run - this is too short to be managable, imho.

[Monjul]

FWIW, my 1 meter AC-9 and 1.5 meter AC-14 came in boxes.

[Monjul]

Blame it on me...:D

BTW, the AC14s and the AC9 are working fantastic!

I really like the AC14s...but, still watching the AC9 to make sure the torque/pressure doesn't make it work itself out of the outlet.....good-golly what a beast. I got the 0.6m - unless you have a straight shot run - this is too short to be managable, imho.

Blu-Tac works great to keep the connectors from tilting down when seated. Just use a thin strip around the base of the connector where it just contacts the IEC connector. In fact, it feels as if I'd have to use a lot of force just to get them out.

[Ern Dog]

My 1.5 meter AC-9 arrived today and dang it is fat. Fatter than my PS Audio Plus power cord. Very impressive and sturdy looking too. Mine came in a plastic bag inside a nice box.

I plugged it into my Pass Labs X-150 amp, directly into the wall.

Now, I thought I heard a slight improvement, but also thought it was just my wishful thinking. So, truth is I don't know yet- it will take more time to tell if it really improved the sound or not.

[madmax]

Got my 2 meter AC-9's and AC-14. Excellent build quality. That AC-9 is a beast! Now I need two 4 meter ones for my powered left and right bass speakers. Those are going to be real beasts!
madmax

[Ern Dog]

Well it's been 3 days and my AC-9 sounds a bit veiled and bloated in the bass. I'm anxiously awaiting for this thing to open up and smooth out..... more to come....

[madmax]

Order what you want now, they are going up in price at the end of the month! At least that is what the salesman told me when I ordered the 4 meter AC-9's.
madmax

[phipiper10]

Order now? Everyone here who bought them will be selling them half off in the FM in a month.:p

[madmax]

Order now? Everyone here who bought them will be selling them half off in the FM in a month.:p

Yep, you got me on that one. :D

[polkatese]

Order now? Everyone here who bought them will be selling them half off in the FM in a month.:p

That's usually the case...nice hobby don't we have here? :)

[hearingimpared]

Order now? Everyone here who bought them will be selling them half off in the FM in a month.:p

LOL! I can't wait!:D

[newsman]

About the build quality. I noticed that nylon braiding is loose in some places with strands sticking out - not pretty. I actually spent half an hour on one of the AC9 i received to cut all the loose strands with scissors. Yah, I'm OCD :p The other cable was fine, while the third was even worse with some of the braiding heavily scuffed towards the ICE end. It's going back to AudioAdvisor and I'm going to keep the other two.
Someone suggested to try Audioquest NRG3, so I'm thinking about doing that and I can compare them vs AC9. I don't see AudioAdvisor raising the prices on these cords, they only sell that well because of the price. You raise the price and you are competing against big boys. There are still no professional, or even semi-professional reviews of this cable.

[madmax]

The cables I received do not have the loose nylon braid, hopefully it is a one time thing.
madmax

[Zero]

You know, it's funny. First I was going to return them - that is, until I got rid of my audio rack. Then, I logged on here to write down two paragraphs or so on their performance, and two hours later, I damn near have a full bore review published on them. Crazy-ness!

You can check it out at: www.sonicflare.com

[bopicasso]

Nice review Zero. It made me like my pangea ac-9 and ac-14 even more!

[polkatese]

So, c'mon guys, where is the review? With the same folks (or it seems that way) who went on the SC Magic Power a few years ago, I expect there will be several reviews by now. Even better if someone can do Pangea vs. SC Magic Power vs. DH Labs....:)

FYI, I stopped at DH Labs and had plenty of SCMP, just because...

[hearingimpared]

You know, it's funny. First I was going to return them - that is, until I got rid of my audio rack. Then, I logged on here to write down two paragraphs or so on their performance, and two hours later, I damn near have a full bore review published on them. Crazy-ness!

You can check it out at: www.sonicflare.com

Sean, I read, for the first time, two of your reviews on sonicflare.com. I must say I really enjoy your writing style and down to earth method. I read the review on the MAC & MIT and the Pangea power cord and thoroughly enjoyed reading them. No reading fatigue here. Very engrossing read. I was kinda sad they came to an end.

Excellent reviews man. I look forward to reading more of your reviews.

Joe

[Ern Dog]

Excellent review Sean. Thanks for bringing this (starting this thread & the review) to Club Polk. I'm stoked about my Pangea and still waiting for it to break in.

[Zero]

I'm humbled by your comments regarding my review/writing. It certainly helps give me an extra boost to my day. :)

When I woke up in the morning, I had no idea that I would later be strumming up a short article on a power cord. It just kind of happened. I'm also pleased to say that Tom, the guy who runs WS Distributing (who represents Vincent and Pangea) is a great guy and seems to be doing things the right way. This gives me a lot of confidence in Pangea's long term future.

Meanwhile, I'm glad that others are enjoying the stuff!

[madmax]

I'm also pleased to say that Tom, the guy who runs WS Distributing (who represents Vincent and Pangea) is a great guy and seems to be doing things the right way.

Oh, so you have an inside connection and were just scamming us to buy these things? :eek:

J/K :D
madmax

[Lasareath]

I'm humbled by your comments regarding my review/writing. It certainly helps give me an extra boost to my day. :)




Sean, I like your writing style as well and I have the page open and pushed to the side so that I can get to it and read the whole thing. I just hope I will get to it because I'm so busy lately!

So, should I order some, Yes or No?

[Zero]

Lasareath,

If you have the spare funds and want to give something new a try, I don't see why not. The absolute worst that can happen is that you won't care for em', and you will be out return-shipping.

[heiney9]

I'd be interested to see how these stack up against my MIT Z power cords?

[madmax]

I stuck two 2 meter AC-9's on my monoblocks last night and noticed the sound changed quite a bit. Now I have to let them burn in, swap back and forth and figure out if its a good or a bad change. Thanks Zero... :rolleyes:

[hearingimpared]

I'll tell ya, finances are really tough right now but I keep reading this thread and literally start jonesing & scheming on where I could scratch up the dough to get a couple or three of these things. They are so cheap and the reviews thus far just keep gnawing at my gut!:eek:

I gotta unsubscribe from this thread.:( Hopefully a couple will show up in the flea market. I envy you blokes!:p

[madmax]

I'll post some pics to put you over the edge. Looking at the photos online and in the magazine don't do them justice, believe me.

As for the sound changing in my system, I had stock cables on the power amps before the swap. Just never got around to them yet. This change is "probably" for the best but I have not lived with them long enough. Just the fact that it changed enough to be obvious has me in a tail spin. :)
madmax

[cienega]

I purchased the Pangea AC-9 a couple of weeks ago and was able to put it to use last Saturday night for about 5 hours. I had purchased a PS Audio Quintet to replace my box store surge protector and was surprised that I did not notice much of a difference. I read the FAQ regarding the Quintet which recommended upgrading the power cord (always something to upgrade, right?). I am not one to notice a huge improvement with every upgrade and say "It was like a veil was lifted off my speakers" or (my favorite) "jaw dropping" but I did notice a real improvement in the sound in my system. The bass was better and the system as a whole seemed to have more overall power. Now maybe it was the mood I was in or the beer I was drinking but I thought to myself "This is the best my system has ever sounded". I'll give it another listen tomorrow and maybe switch the cords back and forth if I get ambitious but last weekend I was pretty happy with my $50 purchase. And yes, it's a monster, it looks like there's a snake behind my audio rack.

[madmax]

Now maybe it was the mood I was in or the beer I was drinking but I thought to myself "This is the best my system has ever sounded". I'll give it another listen tomorrow and maybe switch the cords back and forth if I get ambitious

One beer and I can't hear much difference in anything, two beers and everything sounds good, 3 beers and I don't care anymore. I should have just had 3 beers every night and stuck with my first audio system. :D
madmax

[Erik Tracy]

Just got the email they are shipped. Hopefully, I will have them by next Friday so I can give them a good all-night beer drinking, music listening evaluation. By the end of the night we both will be burnt-in.

That's a great idea!!! Soak cables in beer overnight to loosen them up! :D

Might as well soak yourself in several, too, while you're at it! (I'm ahead of you here!! :D;)

[Monjul]

Some quick observations on a nearly broken-in AC-14 on a Cambridge 640C v2 CD player and an AC-9 on a Kinergetics subwoofer/crossover amp:

Vocals are extremely detailed, grain-free with an in-room presence that is downright scary. (Since the sub xover is a simple 1st order, which means it rolls off very slowly into the lower midrange, the AC-9 prossibly has as much to do with this improvement as the AC-14).

The bass is tighter, cleaner and more musical with increased recorded ambience. Effortless might be the best descriptor.

I'll post more observations as I become more accustomed with the sound of these cables.

[Polkie2009]

Placed order for a 2 meter AC-14 and 1.5 meter AC-9 on 4/7. Decided to call today since I haven't had any tracking info sent and found out they haven't shipped mine because the 2m AC-14 is on backorder til mid May!!!! But___ they can go ahead and ship the AC-9 today... If anyone else is wondering about their order,you might want to call them,lol.

[jhw59]

ordered a 3 pack of the 2.0 meter AC-9 but not shipping until end of the month. Confirmed price is increasing May 1st so if you're on the fence....

[vmaxer]

ordered a 3 pack of the AC-9 but not shipping until end of the month. Confirmed price is increasing May 1st so if you're on the fence....

Thanks, it sure is getting hard to resist...:o

[cstmar01]

didn't really read this until now. I'm probably going to order the 3 pack of the 9's as I've been needing some better power cables as two are el cheapo's and one has a major kink in it. So if anything I'm more than willing to have something that is at least built better and for the price can't really go wrong.

[ben62670]

I was going and did build some power cables, but at this price building them would be dumb:eek:

[hearingimpared]

Finished the install 45 minutes ago, and I swear, using setup 1 above, the sound is noticeably clearer, more precise, detailed, and with quieter backgrounds. And it was already at that stage, yet is now even more so.

I sure do love placebos. Unfortunately, now that I know this inexpensive placebo works, the desire to get an expensive placebo is going to get worse and worse.

Well, back to testing. This is going to be an all night effort. Glad I have enough beer. ;)

Don't forget to report back after the burn-in period!:D;)

[hearingimpared]

Okay. They have been burnt in for 90 minutes. Is that enough? :D

Now I am using setup 2 (Sony SACD player) and listening to Robert Plant/Allison Krauss "Raising Sand". The strings (guitars, banjo) are so articulated its obscene, and the bass appears more robust. However, the tape hiss is really apparent. I looked on the CD and there is no AAD, ADD, DDD designation. Are these hillbillies still using tape for recording? :rolleyes:

I'm really surprised to hear this. BTW I bet it sounds better after 50 or more hours.:)

[bopicasso]

Now that my ac-9 and ac-14 are broken in, the soundstage is wider, imaging more precise, and the music doesnt sound as restricted. So I ordered up another ac-9 for my pio elite reciever. Hopefully I will notice another jump in detail. Stay tuned.

[Ern Dog]

I've had my AC-9 for 2 weeks now and I got the biggest improvement using on my Modwright tube preamp. I bought another AC-9 for my Pass Labs amp and this one only has about 100 hrs on it so far, so its not fully broken in yet.

Although, the power cords aren't totally broken in yet I could say this so far: My rig before the Pangeas sounded a tad on cold side of neutral. Which is not my preference. I prefer to be a tad on the warm side of neutral. So these PC's have helped to add a touch of warmth to my rig.

I also tried the AC-9 on my PS Audio Quintet power conditioner and it added too much warmth and bloat in the bass.

Of coarse I'll try all different combos again after it is all broken in to make sure I have them placed in the gear.

[Zero]

Take out the power conditioner man. Unless you are receiving your power via: string and a tin can, those things only harm the performance of a system.

[Ern Dog]

Take out the power conditioner man. Unless you are receiving your power via: string and a tin can, those things only harm the performance of a system.

Just for kicks I took the power conditioner out to test whether it helps or chokes the system sound. Too soon to tell yet... but more to come....

[heiney9]

Looking for some opinions before the end of the month.

In my office rig I have a substantial int. tube amp, weighs in at about 45lbs. (not worried about the ac cord pulling the amp around). It's 15wpc using a quad of 6V6 power tubes. There is no way I can use the Pangea AC9 because of 1) weight that the IEC socket will be subjected to 2) the way the cable has to snake back on itself to plug into the power outlet.

I am thinking about getting an AC14 instead of the AC9 and hope to realize some of the benefits of an after market power cord. Right now I am using the stock cord.

So, will the AC14 be worth the money used as a power cord for my int. tube amp or should I save my money and look at something else? I used to have a Signal PC, but the female end would not stay in the IEC.

H9

[hearingimpared]

Looking for some opinions before the end of the month.

In my office rig I have a substantial int. tube amp, weighs in at about 45lbs. (not worried about the ac cord pulling the amp around). It's 15wpc using a quad of 6V6 power tubes. There is no way I can use the Pangea AC9 because of 1) weight that the IEC socket will be subjected to 2) the way the cable has to snake back on itself to plug into the power outlet.

I am thinking about getting an AC14 instead of the AC9 and hope to realize some of the benefits of an after market power cord. Right now I am using the stock cord.

So, will the AC14 be worth the money used as a power cord for my int. tube amp or should I save my money and look at something else? I used to have a Signal PC, but the female end would not stay in the IEC.

H9

Brock can't you get a longer AC9 that would allow you to make it easier to snake back on itself or am I missing something here?

[heiney9]

Brock can't you get a longer AC9 that would allow you to make it easier to snake back on itself or am I missing something here?

Perhaps, but I also am not looking to spend $100 on a long cord simply because the outlet and amp aren't in relation to each other. Not to mention since the amp sits on the edge of my desk and the power cord would look like a huge erection sticking out of the IEC because of the lack of flexibility.

See photo in this thread:

http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1309089&postcount=172

You can see the amp on the left has the backend right at the edge of the desk so even the uber flexible stock cord sticks out a little bit. It goes down at a diagonal then makes a curve to go under the desk and then another curve to reach a power outlet. Not much other choice unless I really wanted to move things around.....................and I don't :p

H9

[heiney9]

I suppose if I moved the amp to the right side of the desk, then I could route a 1.5M AC9 straight down and then it would only have to make one sharp curve. I just know how bulky my MIT I/C cables are with the boxes, etc. Those are sticking out into the room a bit. A little unsightly, but who cares it's my "office" room and I'm really the only one who goes in there.

[hearingimpared]

Perhaps, but I also am not looking to spend $100 on a long cord simply because the outlet and amp aren't in relation to each other. Not to mention since the amp sits on the edge of my desk and the power cord would look like a huge erection sticking out of the IEC because of the lack of flexibility.

See photo in this thread:

http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1309089&postcount=172

You can see the amp on the left has the backend right at the edge of the desk so even the uber flexible stock cord sticks out a little bit. It goes down at a diagonal then makes a curve to go under the desk and then another curve to reach a power outlet. Not much other choice unless I really wanted to move things around.....................and I don't :p

H9

Oh I see, gotcha

BTW ROTFLMAO @


Not to mention since the amp sits on the edge of my desk and the power cord would look like a huge erection sticking out of the IEC because of the lack of flexibility.

This just caused a sick picture in my mind LOL!

[hearingimpared]

I suppose if I moved the amp to the right side of the desk, then I could route a 1.5M AC9 straight down and then it would only have to make one sharp curve. I just know how bulky my MIT I/C cables are with the boxes, etc. Those are sticking out into the room a bit. A little unsightly, but who cares it's my "office" room and I'm really the only one who goes in there.

I can relate with the MITs. Mine are sticking out of both sides of my rack. As a matter of fact, my 1/2 meter Signal Cable Magic Power Cord cause the outboard power supply of my Spectral DMC 10G to stick out of the front of the rack cause it's so stiff.

[madmax]

I liked the sound of the AC-9's on my amps so I just ordered some AC-14SE in .6 meter, 1 and 1.5 meter for the source/pre/phono pre. I ordered a PS Audio receptical as well. It is the $50 one and if it does anything I might try the $100 one and move this one to another system.
madmax

[Polkie2009]

I went ahead and ordered a AC-14SE 3 meter today,looks like they are on backorder , but hopefully some will come in by early May. Those PS Audio receptacles look interesting! Anybody else here tried them out in their system?

[vmaxer]

OK now...where are the SE cords coming from and what is the difference??? I have just ordered the AC-14, but don't know about the SE???:mad:

Are the SE's better and why?? I may chamge my order since they are on back order anyway at AA

How much more do they cost??

[bopicasso]

Just received another ac-09 to my pioneer elite reciever. Cant wait till its broken in to see the difference. I swaped out the 18 awg pc on my svs sub with a b&k's stock 16 awg pc and it made a significant difference. Less boomy. It makes me want to buy another ac-09 for the sub. I love these cables!

[Ern Dog]

Just for kicks I took the power conditioner out to test whether it helps or chokes the system sound. Too soon to tell yet... but more to come....


Ok, so it's been 4 days w/out my PS Audio Quintet power conditioner. I re-installed it tonight and plugged in my Modwright preamp and my source into it. I keep my amp plugged into the wall. It was not a night and day difference, but there was a slight difference if I really paid attention. The music sounded more unrestricted w/out the conditioner. I think the music sounded a little louder too. I contacted Dan Wright (owner of Modwright) about his thoughts on this and he recommended Running Springs power conditioners because they are passive. He discouraged his preamp to be plugged directly into the wall without some protection. Well that was a fun experiment :D One that's going to cost me some extra dough. Sean, this thread you started has already cost me $130 (two AC-9's) and now those Running springs cost a **** load more.... oyeee!

[madmax]

OK now...where are the SE cords coming from and what is the difference??? I have just ordered the AC-14, but don't know about the SE???:mad:

Are the SE's better and why?? I may chamge my order since they are on back order anyway at AA

How much more do they cost??

They are a little more expensive, not enough to worry about though. I believe they have extra shielding and are built differently using litz wire. You have to call audio advisor, they are not on the website. The 3 meter is $75.
madmax

[mizthuphee]

Received my AA Spring Clearance Sale catalog & new prices for the PC's are in effect. For AC9's, the increases are between $10-$30. For AC14's, the 1m. did not change :cool: but for other lengths, it's between $5-$10.

[madmax]

Truthfully I feel the prices are way low given the competition pricing.
madmax

[RadioWonder]

AA New catalog... Has the AC-14SE in it on page 7 & 85.
http://catalog.audioadvisor.com/publication/?i=35266

[Polkie2009]

Got in a 3 meter Pangea HDMI 24L cable , this thing is nice, now I'll have to order another shorter one.

[RadioWonder]

Got in a 3 meter Pangea HDMI 24L cable , this thing is nice, now I'll have to order another shorter one.
Video for the Pangea HDMI 24L cable...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjvEfH6OfSg&feature=player_embedded

[ben62670]

I am waiting on a three pack of the 14's x 1.5 meter.

[agfrost]

AA New catalog... Has the AC-14SE in it on page 7 & 85.
http://catalog.audioadvisor.com/publication/?i=35266

Page 7 has a C7 version; I assume the other is for an IEC connection?

[headrott]

I am wondering if anyone has used/heard the Transparent Power Link Plus cable and could compare it to the Pangea AC-9? I am thinking about buying one for my BAT VK-3i, but am wondering if there would be a worthwhile upgrade, other than the wire guage? Thanks for any help.

Greg

[chargerman426]

I finally got a delivery confirmation today.

[vmaxer]

I got a notice that my cords shipped also, I sure hope they are as good as is wouold seem by this thread.... I have 4 AC 14-SE's and 4 AC 9's coming:D

[Polkie2009]

Dittos here!!! Called yesterday afternoon(hadn't heard from them in about 10 days) and the man said they are shipping out Friday(today)!!!!!

[ben62670]

HeHe add me to the list. They are finally coming home to big Papa.

[bopicasso]

My AC-9 is finally broken in on the reciever and it made a huge difference! Im impressed on the difference a cable can make. :)

[reberly]

Im kinda glad I dont have the critical listening skills required to notice the difference a better power cord can make. I think I'd drive myself crazy and broke

[Ern Dog]

Im kinda glad I dont have the critical listening skills required to notice the difference a better power cord can make. I think I'd drive myself crazy and broke


It's sometimes hard for me to tell small differences in sound, but I found the difference with these power cords to be pretty obvious that even a lay person could hear the improvement. No critical listening skills required.

[bopicasso]

The difference is obvious! If my fiance can tell the difference, it is a significance difference.

[reberly]

whos ready to sell me a used 2m AC-9 to help convince me to jump on the bandwagon. LOL.

[Poee7R]

Recieved my first AC-9 yesterday, have been burning it in about 24 hours so far. Definitely a change for the better, vs the standard cord.

This power cord may induce male insecurity, its a biggun'.

Im also siked they sent notice yesterday for the rest of my order.


Dave

[madmax]

I found the change to be obvious as well. Just got notification Friday that the rest of my cords are on the way. Right now I only have the AC-9's on the amplifiers, still waiting for the rest.

[vmaxer]

:D Look what I got :D

It may be a day or three before I can work on it:mad:

4 AC-9's and 4 AC-14SE's

[madmax]

:D Look what I got :D

4 AC-9's and 4 AC-14SE's

WooHoo!

Mine are supposed to be delivered tomorrow!

[chargerman426]

I just got mine today. Good God they are HUGE (thats what she said) I wish I would have bought more to tell you the truth.

[jhw59]

the 9s arrived today. I suppose it's overkill for the cd player but with the 3 pack discount and free ship, it wasn't much more for the 9. They are BEASTS! I think I might put the third on the oppo blu ray for now. anyone tried that?

[vmaxer]

the 9s arrived today. I suppose it's overkill for the cd player but with the 3 pack discount and free ship, it wasn't much more for the 9. They are BEASTS! I think I might put the third on the oppo blu ray for now. anyone tried that?


I will be using a AC-14SE on my Oppo

[ben62670]

I ordered 3 1.5m AC-14's. They came in today and I am very pleased. I was part of the PC swap program and noticed a small difference with those so I made some out of Carol 10ga cable. They were about the same as the cable swap cables. This thread turned me on to the Pangea's. With the other cables the sound was fuller, but the female vocals dropped too much for my taste. Right out the box they beat my cables. The most impressive thing is the room filling sound. The air around the instruments was a huge improvement.The bass is snappy, and the breaths between singing is more present. Highly recommended at $100 for 3 1m cables.

[agfrost]

I ordered 3 1.5m AC-14's. They came in today and I am very pleased.

What'd you put 'em on, Ben?

[madmax]

I just got a whole pile of them! Hopefully I'll get them hooked up soon. I'm anxious to find out what the effect of using all the same cables are given how much difference the ones to the power amps made.
madmax

Edit: Oh, forgot to mention the PS Audio $50 wall outlet I ordered with the cables. I'm not sure what difference in sound it will make but I plugged one of the cables into it and got a nice crisp lock when the plug mated fully. It was damn hard to pull it back out. I wish all my outlets were like this.

[ben62670]

What'd you put 'em on, Ben?

I placed one on my active XO, and one on my modded Denon 2900. I will use the other on my custom pre when I finally finish it.
Ben

[mizthuphee]

Finally got the AC14's today! can't wait to try them on my BDP 83SE, MH DAC25.2 & CJ PV14 :D

[Jetmaker737]

I ordered up an AC14 to use on my Sansui tuner that's in for mods (I get it back next week).

[vmaxer]

I installed a few of the cables last night, here is what I did:

1 AC-9 to the Panamax 5400-EX, 1 AC-9 to the Sunfire 405 X 5, 1 AC-9 to the SVS PB2-Plus. 1 AC-14SE to the Sunfire TGP 5 processor, 1 AC-14SE to the Oppo BDP-83SE.

It seems to have made a very noticeable improvement. The system seems more "effortless" if that makes any sense. The music seems more filled out and quieter between sounds??

I'm not very good at expressing what I am hearing, but I do think it was well worth the money. I plan to use a AC-9 on the other Sunfire amp, but will need to modify it first as the cord is attached now. I also plan to use a AC-14SE on the phono pre, and then see what I can do to use one on the turntable later.

Anyone else installed theirs yet??

[mizthuphee]

Vmaxer, how was the fit with your 83SE, the reason I ask, before I went to bed last night I wanted to, at least, install it on the 83SE. But when I pulled the stock PC, I noticed the player is only 2 pronged. Bummer.

[Polkie2009]

Sounds like the floodgates have opened,everybody is getting their stuff at the same time. I got a AC-14SE with the C7 plug for the PS3,talk about sweet! Wanted to get a new power cord for the XBox360 but it has some whacky looking terminal on the back that won't work with any of the Pangea cords.Definitely will use a new HD-24L hdmi on it though. Mizthuphee, maybe Pangea will bring out a 2 pronged power cord in the future.

[madmax]

Awhile back I put the AC9's on the amplifiers and that made quite a difference. Last night I put the AC14SE on my phono pre/preamp and it either made no difference or maybe lost something on the high frequency detail. This is with no burn in and I did notice the AC9's got better the second night I used them. Previously I was using a well burned in cardas power cable on the phono pre. I'm marking it up to burn in time at this point.
madmax

[Polkie2009]

You are right about the burn in time madmax. After about 100 hrs. on the new cords ,go back to the old cords and you'll notice the difference.

[vmaxer]

Vmaxer, how was the fit with your 83SE, the reason I ask, before I went to bed last night I wanted to, at least, install it on the 83SE. But when I pulled the stock PC, I noticed the player is only 2 pronged. Bummer.


Mine fit okay, yes the player only has 2 prongs (no ground) - but you can still use the cable. Or you could install a new connector on the Oppo..

So far so good!!

[mizthuphee]

Nice! Thanks, I'm going to try it when I get home.

[madmax]

I tried one of the AC9 cables on my preamp just for the fun of it. I thought it was inappropriate for that use due to size, weight and wire guage but it made a really positive change to my systems sound, as much as the ones on the amplifiers! I think I am going with AC9's for everything now.

I swapped between a bunch of different cables and finally got a handle on what was changing in the sound. Most of the cables sounded fairly equal with the soundstage and vocals changing slightly. With the AC9 the soundstage opened up a lot more than the others. This is a difference that was easily recognized. The PRaT of the system speeded up as well. Also, I have resistance and capacitance knobs on the front of my phono pre which I could "almost" hear a difference when switching them. With the AC9 connected they actually make a noticeable difference.

Bottom line: I'm sold.

madmax

[dbaldus]

So, if I'm not going to be plugging the power cords directly into the wall, is it really going to make a difference for me? Let me explain...

I have a Parasound amp that I want to put an AC-9 on, but I currently have it plugged into a Monster Power Conditioner. The Power Conditioner does not have a removable power cord (the stock cable is 3x14AWG, I believe), so I would not be able to replace it with an AC-9. Am I going to see the benefits or a better cable if I just plug it into the conditioner instead of the wall?

[dbaldus]

I most certainly heard a positive improvement with my AC-14 cords. They are plugged into my Wadia, SACD/CD, DAC, pre-amp, and all 4 are plugged into a Panamax power conditioner.

Did you replace the stock cord on your Panamax as well? Is it possible? If so, I hope I didn't just cost you to spend more $ ;)

[dbaldus]

Not yet. I have a 3 pack of 1M AC-9s on order, and 2 are for my two power conditioners (2 channel and HT). I also have 3 AC-14SEs on order to upgrade the 2 channel system, and move the original AC-14 cords into the HT.

Awesome - I'd appreciate an update on how the AC-9's made a difference on the power conditioners themselves. Your review could be just the thing to push me over the edge :)

[Monjul]

I had the opposite experience. My Cambridge 640c v2 CD player benefited greatly plugged into the isolation xformer outlet on my Power Wedge 112 with the stock cord. (Note that all other units are plugged directly to the wall which is a dedicated 20 amp circuit).

After replacing the cord with an AC-14, it now sounds significantly more open and extended going right into the wall which is no doubt, a testament to their construction. While YMMV, it's a no-brainier that the best place to start is a dedicated line and upgraded power cables then test to see if a PLC would be an added benefit.

As a sidebar, the AC-9 on my Kinergetics subwoofer amp has transformed this amp to the point where the bass is so amazingly tight and powerful that it's literally gut wrenching. One interesting note is that with the stock cord, the subs (2x10" per side), had a finite gain limit where beyond that the drivers would hit the end stop indicating that they were being overdriven. So far with the AC-9, I haven't been able to reproduce this. This suggests that the amp is now damping the drivers like a vise grip which has allowed me to increase the bass gain to way beyond just satisfying levels to the point of "Disco", lol....

For the money, these cables are positively killer.

[jhw59]

I've got one AC-9 left out of the pack. I put my jellyfish on my oppo 80 which was an improvement over the stock cord but I may grab one of those 14SEs. Will using the 9 on my SVS sub used in my 2 channel setup be beneficial? The guy at SVS didn't think swapping the stock power cord was worth it but I'm interested to hear what the board thinks. The 9s on my Jolida 1501RC and the Jopida 100 cd player are still less than 100 hours so can't make a final judgment yet but I believe I'm hearing subtle improvements already in the overall imaging and clarity.

[Polkie2009]

The AC-9 I put on my Epik sub is now well broken in and it's sounding better every day. That damn cord is a monster, and people always comment on the size and heft of the thing when they see it, great product.

[madmax]

I finally re-corded my whole system with the AC-9's. It is now 50 pounds heavier and sounds better. Don't ask me why but I decided to weigh them. :D

[jhw59]

The AC-9 I put on my Epik sub is now well broken in and it's sounding better every day. That damn cord is a monster, and people always comment on the size and heft of the thing when they see it, great product.

ok. I'll give it a try!

[Imspun4u]

I'm jumping the gun since I have not gotten my pack of 3 AC-9's yet but here's the question (s). My HK a/v, Oppo SE, both have two prong connection's. Do you think it would be possible using a belt sander, and caliper to shape the end of the 9's to fit? Then remove the ground at the other end of the cable.
I know another alternative would be to remove the end of the 9 and solder it internally but that look's like some thick wire. I guess another alternative would be to replace the connection's on the equipment. Apparently the ground is not necessary.
I hope you guy's don't think I'm crazy, just a little naive. I am decent with a soldering iron though.

[Imspun4u]

I got my package of 3 AC-9's today and everything fit perfectly. I replaced my Oppo SE, Harmon Karden, and Polk PSW2000 factory cord's. The ground's were not a problem at all. Now I just wish I had one more for my Onix Tube amp that I am planning on bi-wireing with. It will be used on the mid and high's of course. I've never had a HT System of this caliber before. The Pangea's are one thick cable and I think one of the better value's be it HT or an audiophile system. Just my two cent's worth. John

[Sherardp]

Am I missing something, I don't see the AC 9 three pack deal. Do I have to call in and place the order?

[Sherardp]

Well I decided to go ahead and give these a shot. I've tried Signal cable before and it was pretty good. I'm hoping the Pangea does well since most of you guys are working with them. I ordered two AC-9s for the Sunfire and D-Sonic power amps. Will probably order more once I get these in place.

[madmax]

They helped my system quite a bit. I have AC-9's on everything now. Previously I had a mix of high end cables which I could switch around and get minor differences. I tried some AC-14s and they didn't help MY system much so I sent them back for the AC-9's which are really doing something differently. I am so thankful for this thread!
madmax

[Imspun4u]

Here's the link: http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=PGAC9. Look under the option's. I ordered the 3pk of 1.5 meter. Costly but not bad considering how much power cable's of this caliber run. Hope this help's.

[Sherardp]

Here's the link: http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=PGAC9. Look under the option's. I ordered the 3pk of 1.5 meter. Costly but not bad considering how much power cable's of this caliber run. Hope this help's.

Oh ok, it was right there in front of me and I missed it. Thanks bro.

[KrazyMofo24]

I'm going to have to give these a try when I get some extra cash.

[madmax]

Now if only Panega would come out with a 20 amp power cord so I could upgrade my amps I would be in heaven.

9 guage wire should be more than adequate. ;)

[cstmar01]

I really enjoy the one I won in the Karma. Before I won it I was looking at buying some of these for my 2 channel and think I still might buy a couple for the HT setup. Love the build quality is just awesome. and sound great too.

[madmax]

The issue is not the wire size, it is the connector on the amp. The wall plug is the standard 15 amp format, while the connector that plugs into the amp is a 20 amp connector (pins are horizontal).

Maybe you could cut the end off and replace with the proper connector? Normally I wouldn't mention it but the difference in sound I got with this cable makes it seem reasonable. Maybe it would change the sound using a different connector though, not sure.

[mole']

8 pages of info.


do these work and are they worth the $$$

[punk-roc]

Maybe you should read the 8 pages of info? The answers are there...

[bopicasso]

No they are just for show. Size matters.

[mole']

Maybe you should read the 8 pages of info? The answers are there...

was hoping to get an easy answer. :rolleyes: being lazy today and did not wanna read.


No they are just for show. Size matters.

that was the answer i was looking for.

more show then go, im getting a few of them

;)

[madmax]

8 pages of info.


do these work and are they worth the $$$

Yes they work and no they are not worth the $$$. They are worth several times that many $$$ :D

These are the best deal I've seen in power cables, they should cost at least 3 times more than they do.
madmax

[Toolfan66]

Yes they work and no they are not worth the $$$. They are worth several times that many $$$ :D

These are the best deal I've seen in power cables, they should cost at least 3 times more than they do.
madmax



Yep!!!! +++++1000:p

[Conradicles]

Yes they work and no they are not worth the $$$. They are worth several times that many $$$ :D

These are the best deal I've seen in power cables, they should cost at least 3 times more than they do.
madmax

madmax...just wondering how these would compare to some of the entry level PS Audio products. Have you tried any of them during your audio jorney?

[Toolfan66]

I am going to admit that I had some doubts about power cables making a "BIG" audible difference. IC's and Speaker Cables made sense to me as they are sending the signal..

Ummmm I was wrong in a big way...

[madmax]

madmax...just wondering how these would compare to some of the entry level PS Audio products. Have you tried any of them during your audio jorney?

I have one of their mid priced cables and used to have one of their $800 cables, forget the names. They are a great cable but nothing really struck me as much as the sound difference the AC9's made on my tube monoblocks. That is the place the AC9's made the most difference. Build quality is a little less and the PS looked better in my opinion. The AC9 is physically heavier. The PS had a removable ground pin which the AC9's do not. I am happy with either but I would not replace the AC9's on the monoblocks due to the difference in sound.

[mole']

Yes they work and no they are not worth the $$$. They are worth several times that many $$$ :D

These are the best deal I've seen in power cables, they should cost at least 3 times more than they do.
madmax


Yep!!!! +++++1000:p

calling to order mine as i type this..........

[madmax]

Make sure you get ones that are long enough, they don't bend easily so add a little length. :)

[cstmar01]

Make sure you get ones that are long enough, they don't bend easily so add a little length. :)

I have that .5 that I got from the karma here and it is tough to work with if your trying to bend it so advice well given!

[madmax]

I went way long on all of mine and I'm glad I did. My speakers have AC powered bass in each so those two cables are 12' long since the speakers are about 18' apart. Wow what monsters they are.

[Conradicles]

I just hooked up the 0.6 meter Pangea AC-9 I bought used from Larry. It turned out to be the perfect length to run from my APC15 power conditioner to the Audiosource AMP300 power amp in my H/T rig. This powers my SDA-2B's and currently I run no sub.

1st of all, you could beat the mess out of somebody with this beast of a cable.

Are you kidding me? I gained more bass. Still in shock, because never has a power cable upgrade made such a noticeable difference to me.

In all honesty I expected no improvement for my little budget H/T, so this was a pleasant surprise.:cool:

What a nice upgrade and thanks for the many comments to help me pull the trigger.

[Toolfan66]

It was Brand New I never used it. I got two of them and only used one of them..;)

[Monjul]

I replaced the AC14 on my Cambridge CD player with an AC14SE and it is more background quiet as advertised along with less of a forward character I hear with the AC14. A definite improvement and highly recommended.

[camp21178]

I guess I'm terribly confused how a power cord could affect sound quality. The 115 VAC is turned into DC voltage by a full wave rectifier, filtered with some giant capacitors and coils to eliminate the "ripple" and used throughout the amplifier. Maybe somebody could educate me. Thanks!

[F1nut]

I guess I'm terribly confused how a power cord could affect sound quality. The 115 VAC is turned into DC voltage by a full wave rectifier, filtered with some giant capacitors and coils to eliminate the "ripple" and used throughout the amplifier. Maybe somebody could educate me. Thanks!

Try one for yourself as nothing beats personal experience.

[reeltrouble1]

yea that Empircal Evidence.........powerful stuff.

RT1

[camp21178]

Well I guess nobody can give me any real evidence, probably can't explain how keeping speaker wires off the floor with spacers can improve the "detail and imaging" either. People have also stated that audio cables have a break in period too. I'm really too skeptical I guess.

[bopicasso]

It is a noticable difference to my ears.

[Toolfan66]

Well I guess nobody can give me any real evidence, probably can't explain how keeping speaker wires off the floor with spacers can improve the "detail and imaging" either. People have also stated that audio cables have a break in period too. I'm really too skeptical I guess.


You will have your evidence when you try it. Pangea power cords?? Bang for your buck IMO!!

[F1nut]

Well I guess nobody can give me any real evidence, probably can't explain how keeping speaker wires off the floor with spacers can improve the "detail and imaging" either. People have also stated that audio cables have a break in period too. I'm really too skeptical I guess.

You want real evidence? I'll say it again, TRY IT FOR YOURSELF. Geesh, I don't understand what is so hard about that simple concept other than it takes a little effort on your part. So, are you willing to put forth a little effort or are you happy sitting in your skeptical poo pile?