One of them will have to go.
One of them will have to go.
The Ushers are definitely sexier. I love the glossy paint. Not that that would be part of your decision unless all things else were equal, just an observation.
What are those? Totems? Dynaudio? Something else?
Totem forest. Got them for a good price and now see why. Still got more than my money's worth, but Jesse, if you're reading this, please send me your phone number again. I'm going to need some guidance.
Cabinet issue that I think he can help with.
As far as the audio journey, I just want to be on one.
i think you need another set of ears this weekend.
http://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/ele/4070715878.html I thought they were yours. Anyway, competition is not a bad thing...enjoy the battle!
Finally getting your ears on some Totem eh? I've moved on in my audio journey, but Totem makes some of my favorite box speakers in that price range. I imagine I'd actually prefer those over your Usher given my taste, but can't imagine them keeping up with the Usher on the low end...
the bad thing is skip has never loaded the compartments in the ushers with lead shot to see what improvements it would make.
After only a night of listening, I don't think these will stick around long. They sound incredible and seem to bridge a gap between the Usher and the Magnepan. Transparency is better than the Usher, but it blows Usher out of the water in overall detail. For some reason, the Usher as a whole has sound a bit lacking in that area and I'm not sure why. Their bass is not nearly as impressive as the Usher and not nearly as articulate as the Magnepan. I haven't heard a tower disappear as well as these have, but it still isn't as impressive as the Magnepan's transparency.
I've played with position some and I'm impressed that the center image doesn't fall apart as much as many speakers when little to no toe in is applied. They've sounded great in any position I've put them in, but I still want to get them closer to the wall to reinforce the bass some. That's a bit more of an undertaking as I have to find a place to move the 6311's.
The biggest issue I have with them is that I don't think they are a good match for my amps - they begin to sound fatiguing after a while. I definitely see why many people enjoy them though and think they would thrive with some more wattage behind them. Throw in a sub to handle the lowest frequencies and I think it'd be a very hard speaker to beat.
Edit - wanted to add that their soundstage width is not quite as wide as the Usher or the Magnepan. While it does extend beyond the speakers, the presence they have out there is not nearly as strong as the other two. I suspect this could be due to the amp mismatch or the fact that I haven't found that "special" placement yet.
I love my little Totems. They definitely disappear into the room and imaged much better than anything else I auditioned at the time. They do sound great anywhere in the room but when you're in the sweet spot the center image is fantastic. I'd love to hear them on a better system in a better room than mine. I've heard good things about the Hawks and Forests. Sounds like a tough decision to make, but I can't think of a better problem to have!
I've always wondered what the Totem's sounded like. I agree having to decide between the Usher's and Totem's is not a bad problem.:)
Never heard me no Totems. Which is weird as they are Canadian are they not?
To explain how close this was, it came down to two factors - they don't sound as good on the monoblocks, and the totems project the soundstage below my screen. The usher drivers are positioned 9-10" higher and that makes a huge difference for movies.
I'm hoping after loading my ushers, getting be tweeters, and a complete crossover overhaul, they will gain the pros of the totems while retaining the character of usher that I love so much.
Response Audio used to mod the Ushers a fair bit several years ago. He might be a good guy to talk to regarding crossover upgrades.
Name just came to me Bill Baker.
btw the character you reference I call musicality. As that is what I love about their sound.
Might be worth it to just step up to the dancer minis as the mid-bass driver is better.
And if you like Danny Ritchie he is the one that did the factory ones.
It's crossed my mind. I've eyed the md1 a few times but I'm thinking the md2 might be out of the question if I'm going to keep the amps. Oh the pitfalls of SET. The 6311 shines on them though and the md1 might do the same.
i asked stan about 6311 with Be tweeter vs. mini 1's and he said that the 6311's is a good sounding speaker and with the Be tweeter would be equal or better than the mmini 1's. Bill Baker did design a crossover mod for the 6311 but it did not include the Be tweeter.
besides, I hate the sound of ushers.
Hey Marvin just curious why the 6311 would sound better with the Be vs mini 1's....as much as you hate the sound of Ushers of course.
stan is the distributor for usher, that was his take.
The md 2 is not hard to drive. I drove them with 30 watts SET amp before unless you listen at very loud level. If you like Usher sound, md 2 is next major upgrade.