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Thanks for the picture Erik. It looks like you have better access to the 'inside' of the keyhole mount with the Rti4. On the R20, the keyhole is directly into the wood on the back of the speaker...

PM sent. Thanks Mark.

argh.... Omnimount does *not* include a keyhole mount adapter. If Omnimount won't send me one I'll have to jury rig something together. Hope I don't have to drill into the speaker :sad:

thanks, ordering now

I need to mount a pair of R20's to the ceiling. What's the best mount for this?

How about:
http://www.omnimount.com/products/speaker_mounts/stainless_steel_series/20.0_c/

Will the threaded...

Nope, not at all. I'm just calmly discussing the issue brought up in the thread. Perhaps I'm sensing a little projection here?

You missed my point entirely. I'm not the one making conjectures and guesses as to what would have happened if Sony did this or that differently on their pricing scheme.

I and just about everyone...

You're preaching to the choir. Most in this thread (if not all but one person) believe that the lack of or presence of a distinct network access fee has little if not nothing to do with what a large...

and my point is in no way can you make that claim. When Sony released the PS3, it was $200 more expensive than the Xbox 360 which had enjoyed a full year on the market already, and $350 more...

You keep stating the above like its some kind of fact when it couldn't be further from the truth. You *think* what you said is true, but we have no way of knowing exactly what would have happened...

Actually, you did say just that. See below:





I have nothing to prove here. You are the one making wild claims here that event A was directly responsible for event B, namely that Sony's...

so you have backed down from your original statement. Good to see you do have some sense of logic left.

Sony has made lots of money through PSN and the service is NOT free. As long as you continue to pretend like these two facts do not exist there is no sense in any further discussion. Its really...

This $3.5 billion dollar windfall you keep talking about is nothing but BS. You honestly think that if Sony had charged for PSN access from the beginning it would have had NO effect on its hardware...

actually I did *finally* get an email from them late last night. It is beyond me as to why they didn't just come forward and send out the email right away as soon as they were hacked. Completely...

Two game console makers competing against each other. One chooses to incorporate network costs into hardware and software charges to the customer. The other chooses to have a fee to access the...

And you keep sidestepping every point I make that points out the obvious flaws in your argument.



You did say the above. Are you so obtuse to think that people who paid $600 for a console, and...

If MS had only charged the same amount for the Xbox 360 as Sony did for the PS3, they never would have had the red ring of death issue!!!!!

Obviously you think Sony has no on-site IT staff for PSN. Is this some known fact I'm unaware of? Did they just hire some intern to code-up the entire PSN infrastructure, then let him go, and let...

Seriously. Have they even really "notified" anyone yet directly? I have not received even an email. Then again, from what I've read in the news, I'm not exactly scared of anything bad happening,...

So I'm to believe as long as anyone out there charges a $50 a year service fee for their servers, they can expect the same level of security as a native company own Microsoft server? That's really...

There are plenty of examples of competing companies with different pricing schemes exactly similar to this. For example, let's compare Rhapsody Music service with Itunes. Rhapsody is subscription...

holy crap, is it really $50 a month??? :eek:

Its a perfect analogy. You're so hung up on the exact source and name of the revenue stream but it doesn't make one iota of difference. Do you pay a separate fee to your bank or credit card company...

Its not paying versus non-paying... they money is there, just in different places. Do you honestly believe that Sony has "heaps" less interest in protecting sensitive information of their paying...