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    My heads going to explode because I cant make my mind up on spending my money on a cheap avr like a yamaha for $300 and adding a cheap 3 or 5 ch amp or spending about $1000-1200 or so for a receiver

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    HT or Music? Yamaha's are very bright to my ears.
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    HT only

    Only reason I thought of yamaha is the$300 price point

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    Depending on what speakers your running I say buy a really nice receiver, and be happy.
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    My speakers are 6ohm martin logan source but they dip low at times and I am going to add 5 or 4 ohm surrounds at some point

    I f I bought a crap receiver I could always add a preamp to the existing amp . I always thought that a decent amp could smash a good receiver

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    Hasn't this question already been addressed in another thread?

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    Go with a receiver plus an amp, given what your going to be driving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dane_peterson View Post
    Hasn't this question already been addressed in another thread?
    My thoughts also. PFB go for the SC-07 and be done with it.

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    I have read some good reviews on the pioneer sc 07 but I keep thinking that when I add 2 pairs of 4ohm scripts it will fry any receiver I choose so alot of power is a waste if it isnt going to be clean

    Buying a lower budget receiver may be a good way to tide me by until I can afford to buy somthing like an anthem d2 or somthing else that gets released

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    Actually Mantis used the SC 07 to power a 4ohm load, suggest you read his review or shoot him a pm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by polkfarmboy View Post
    I have read some good reviews on the pioneer sc 07 but I keep thinking that when I add 2 pairs of 4ohm scripts it will fry any receiver I choose so alot of power is a waste if it isnt going to be clean

    Buying a lower budget receiver may be a good way to tide me by until I can afford to buy somthing like an anthem d2 or somthing else that gets released
    The SC-07 is a fine receiver, but with 4 ohm speakers, I would recommend and external amp.

    My LSi25's and RTi12's sound better powered by the Emotiva XPA-5 amp's compared to having them powered directly off the SC-07.
    Last edited by xcapri79; 06-12-2010 at 02:53 AM.

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    Thats interesting that the receiver can handle 4ohm

    Is there external ice amps on the used market ?

    I saw a thread here a while back about some but they looked like car amps ... I think they were called red dragon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcapri79 View Post
    The SC-07 is a fine receiver, but with 4 ohm speakers, I would recommend and external amp.

    My LSi25's and RTi12's sound better powered by the Emotiva XPA-5 amp's compared to having them powered directly off the SC-07.
    Weird that an emo sounded better as they carry a very modist price tag

    Would a umc1 and emo amp sound better than a good receiver?

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    Quote Originally Posted by polkfarmboy View Post
    Weird that an emo sounded better as they carry a very modist price tag

    Would a umc1 and emo amp sound better than a good receiver?
    Considering all that is in a SC-07, it's sale price was even more modest.
    Prices are all relative. I've haven't heard a UMC-1 compared to the SC-07.
    I know that Emotiva has had issues with the UMC-1 and that has caused some to stay away from it.
    A receiver is much more complex than an amp.
    Last edited by xcapri79; 06-12-2010 at 03:28 AM.

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    Polk Audio LSi25,15, CSi5, LSiFX, PSW505 x 4

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    Adcom GCD 750, GFP 750, GFA 5802
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    Red Dragon, D-Sonic, Wyred 4 Sound,Nu Force are a few that come to mind. I have a D-Sonic Magnum 1000S putting out 525wpc to my fronts. The amp performs very well, and sounds good.
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    I would get the SC-07 and look for a reasonably priced used amp. IE Rotel.
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    You could just grab one of these and solve both problems... They are 4 ohm stable all day long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nooshinjohn View Post
    You could just grab one of these and solve both problems... They are 4 ohm stable all day long.

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    +1 on that sunfire. Just barely within your budget, and IMHO the best bang for the buck with what you are doing.

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    +1,

    MLs....you definitely need a power amp. Above suggestions are welcome.

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    I've said it before and I'll say it again... an HK AVR 254 (does it all) and the amp of your choice. Personally, I don't see the value in dropping a bunch of $$ on a HT AVR, only to bypass the internal amps for external. JMO. Good luck! :)

    PS - I'm sure there are similar options from other AVR manufacturers. This just happens to be what I use. YMMV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mdaudioguy View Post
    I've said it before and I'll say it again... an HK AVR 254 (does it all) and the amp of your choice. Personally, I don't see the value in dropping a bunch of $$ on a HT AVR, only to bypass the internal amps for external. JMO. Good luck! :)

    PS - I'm sure there are similar options from other AVR manufacturers. This just happens to be what I use. YMMV.
    There will be no reason to bypass the Sunfire...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mdaudioguy View Post
    I've said it before and I'll say it again... an HK AVR 254 (does it all) and the amp of your choice. Personally, I don't see the value in dropping a bunch of $$ on a HT AVR, only to bypass the internal amps for external. JMO. Good luck! :)

    PS - I'm sure there are similar options from other AVR manufacturers. This just happens to be what I use. YMMV.
    The HK 254 or the HK 354 are good choices considering the price you can get them for from the Harman ebay store. They don't have all the bells and whistles of the other brands, but they are solid performers.
    They are a very good match with the RTi series.

    My biggest beef with them is a lack of a speaker switch that other brands have. I like to be able to run speakers such as a surroundbar off the internal amps for general listening, as well as, run main speakers off external amps for serious listening. The HK 254 or 354 does not let you switch the internally powered speakers off.
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    Polk Audio LSi25, RTi12 x 2, LSi15 x 4, LSiC x 2, PSW1000 x 4,

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    LG 47LM5800, Pioneer SC-1523, BDP-23FD, Sony BDP-S790, Emotiva XPA-2, XPA-5,
    Polk Audio LSi25,15, CSi5, LSiFX, PSW505 x 4

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    McIntosh MC162, MC202, C15, C41, C42, MA6500, MA6900, MCD201
    Emotiva RSP-2, RPA-1, ERC-2
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    Quote Originally Posted by nooshinjohn View Post
    There will be no reason to bypass the Sunfire...
    Agreed! If he wants to spend that much on an AVR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xcapri79 View Post
    The HK 254 or the HK 354 are good choices considering the price you can get them for from the Harman ebay store. They don't have all the bells and whistles of the other brands, but they are solid performers.
    They are a very good match with the RTi series.
    Agreed. That's where I got mine, and those are the speakers I use.

    Quote Originally Posted by xcapri79 View Post
    My biggest beef with them is a lack of a speaker switch that other brands have. I like to be able to run speakers such as a surroundbar off the internal amps for general listening, as well as, run main speakers off external amps for serious listening. The HK 254 or 354 does not let you switch the internally powered speakers off.
    What? If you're talking about an A/B switch for different sets of speakers, yeah the HK models mentioned don't have them. I'd have no use for that feature anyhow. I have no idea what you mean by the last sentence. I've had 2 Yamahas and still have an Onkyo, and none of them allowed for me to "switch the internally powered speakers off." Please elaborate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherardp View Post
    Red Dragon, D-Sonic, Wyred 4 Sound,Nu Force are a few that come to mind. I have a D-Sonic Magnum 1000S putting out 525wpc to my fronts. The amp performs very well, and sounds good.
    It would be interesting to hear the Peavey IPR 1600 digital amp compared to these.

    The IPR is based on a custom super mosfet design and clocks in at 8lbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mdaudioguy View Post
    Agreed. That's where I got mine, and those are the speakers I use.



    What? If you're talking about an A/B switch for different sets of speakers, yeah the HK models mentioned don't have them. I'd have no use for that feature anyhow. I have no idea what you mean by the last sentence. I've had 2 Yamahas and still have an Onkyo, and none of them allowed for me to "switch the internally powered speakers off." Please elaborate.
    Pioneers AVR's with preamp outputs such as the SC-07 or the VSX-1018TX have this "Speaker On-Off" feature.
    So does the HK 3490 stereo receiver. The HK 3490 lets you turn two sets of internally powered speakers (SPK 1 and SPK 2) on or off.
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    Polk Audio LSi25, RTi12 x 2, LSi15 x 4, LSiC x 2, PSW1000 x 4,

    MB HT/ 2 ch:
    LG 47LM5800, Pioneer SC-1523, BDP-23FD, Sony BDP-S790, Emotiva XPA-2, XPA-5,
    Polk Audio LSi25,15, CSi5, LSiFX, PSW505 x 4

    Listening Room 2 ch:
    McIntosh MC162, MC202, C15, C41, C42, MA6500, MA6900, MCD201
    Emotiva RSP-2, RPA-1, ERC-2
    Adcom GCD 750, GFP 750, GFA 5802
    Polk Audio LSi7,9, 15

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcapri79 View Post
    Considering all that is in a SC-07, it's sale price was even more modest.
    Prices are all relative. I've haven't heard a UMC-1 compared to the SC-07.
    I know that Emotiva has had issues with the UMC-1 and that has caused some to stay away from it.
    A receiver is much more complex than an amp.
    Link to the issues with the UMC-1.
    There is another firmware upgrade, but it isn't the last one.
    http://emotivalounge.proboards.com/i...&page=2#184535

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    Sunfire doesnt have hdmi ....... I dont want and old fashioned hissy system

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    So did you buy an AVR yet? :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by polkfarmboy View Post
    Sunfire doesnt have hdmi ....... I dont want and old fashioned hissy system
    It does have HDMI video but not audio... anybody that has been here long enough already knows analog audio is better than digital.:p;):)
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