Denon woes

[dudeinaroom]

So I get home from work to day and find out my middle boy broke the mirror in our bathroom. Then after I sit down the wife say "Oh, check this out." She walks over to the receiver pushes the power button, then pushes the standby button to turn it on. It does it's normal green light blinky thingy then shuts down and goes to a fast orange blinking light. Owners manual states it's either shorted speaker wires, inadequate ventilation, or over heating due to long duration of high volume. Well it was off when I got home, and not even close to hot, there is nothing covering any of the ventilation and it is free standing, I disconnected all of the speaker wires and still get the same results. I might crack it open tomorrow to see if some thing fell inside of it, but I don't think so, I turned it over and shook it a little to see if anything would come out, or if I could hear anything rattling around inside, I got nothing. Looks like I'll be out of some tunes/movies for a while in not indefinitely. I just want to know why is it always one step forward=two steps back. I am just about ready to give up on audio electronics. I could understand if I abused my stuff, but I don't, I enjoy my hearing too much. So now I have a receiver that is out of commission, and amp that cuts out before max volume even when it is cool, and an SDA with a dead tweeter. I'm so ready to sell off every thing which would consist od a pair of SDA 2As, a pair of Mon 7's a 350 center, some cheapy realistic bookshelves, a set of Mitsubishi separates A B&K pre, a Kenwood tuner, 2 turntables and an sacd/cd/dvd changer. Oh well, Guess I'll just have to save up for a couple years so I can get a new one. It would have been no thing, but after paying the landlord $1800 bucks a week ago this whole money going out thing is starting to get a little old. I am so tired of just getting my feet back on the ground just to get a baseball bat to the back of the head. Sorry for the rant guys and girls, but I had to get it off of my chest before I inadvertently take it out on a non-deserving family member.

[mole']

that sucks man. hope things get better for ya

[LeftCoast]

Sorry to hear about this, Dude. May I ask which Denon you have?

I'm in the process of putting together pieces for a ht. I have been checking out the Integra products and the Denon products. I have heard that the Denon are problematic. There is a post on Amazon, I think...that said that he's thru a number of them. I've heard that the Denon are less user friendly than the Integra.

[dudeinaroom]

Up until now I have had no problems with my Denon (3 years, refurb). As far as user friendly, I have had no problems with any settings, and set up is a scroll list. I have the 785 which is the silver version of the 1905. Some where I remember seeing that Denon was basically a high end sony. I had opened the case not too long ago and was impressed by the lay out. Line level video, digital audio, analog audio inputs are all on there own boards, pre amp and power amp seem to be separated as well as the tuner, and is all separate from the power supply board. Analog input board is shielded from the digital board, and most traces are labeled as to what they are for. The denon is sonically superior to my old technics by far.

[tonyb]

Sorry to hear....you could always use the B&K pre for tunes anyway. Check your local craigslist for a cheapo receiver. I've seen alot under 100 bucks,dd,dts,that sort. You may not get the latest and greatest but enough to enjoy a movie.

[samnor]

If you want to simplify things a bit, you could just invest in a nice amp instead of an AVR, and get into separates a bit more (you already have a b&k pre...) this sounds like a good opportunity to get an amp instead of getting an AVR. I'll take a decent 80-100W channel dedicated amp (an adcom, parasound, b&k) used, any day over a "130wpc receiver". A decent amp lasts a long time as long as you dont abuse it. What you do lose of course is the myriad sound processing dsp effects and room correction but some can live without those.

[dorokusai]

Just pick up something off Craigslist for now and surf for similar problems with that Denon unit. It's not the end of the world and I don't think you need to change your whole game plan in regards to AVR vs Amplifier. You may even find something very cool in your search....you never know. These things happen man, don't fret.

[decal]

So I get home from work to day and find out my middle boy broke the mirror in our bathroom.

long duration of high volume

Have you considered a correlation between the two?Just curious.Good luck.

[dudeinaroom]

That's the problem guys, I just can't go buy stuff, I have just started a part time job after being unemployed for a year and a half. I have a dead beat landlord who would not fix any thing so I started with holding rent, only to have them take us to court so the landlords buddy(the judge) would only knock off 20% of the back rent. If it would have been in any other county I would have got all of the rent I paid to him back and this place would have been condemned. We took over 60 pictures with us as well as a ceiling tile that had rotted and had fallen down, as well as a piece of fungus that was growing out of the ceiling. the judge gave us 10 days to pay or vacate. We could not find a new place that we could afford, and the day that we had to pay was the same day I started the job that is only 3 miles from me. Not to mention it is really hard to move with a wife, who at that point, was 5 weeks from her due date. If we end up in court again, I will be asking the judge to recuse himself. I will be with holding rent again if repairs are not made. I do have a parasound amp, but it is in need of repair. I believe it was defective upon purchase, but did not find that out until a while after I bought it(finding a job had a higher priority than music). For a while I was ready to off myself so my wife and kids could collect SSI, and have an easier time money wise. So it will be a while before the home theater is back up and running unless I find something in the receiver I can fix myself. I still have to pull a tweeter from one of the mon. 7s for the SDAs, but that is not even close to a priority until I get things back up and running. Doro, I know all to well that these things happen, but when is it going to end?

[decal]

Sounds to me like you've got more important things to worry about than your electronics.Just a thought.

[Keiko]

Sounds to me like you've got more important things to worry about than your electronics.Just a thought.

Ya think? I believe he's already conveyed this.

Tough times for a lot of us, dude. Best wishes.

[cnh]

Things can get pretty bad...so all I can say after reading it all, dude, is....is there 'anything' that 'we can do for you? Maybe some collective karma or something?

You're not alone here!

cnh

[indyhawg]

I hate hearing about your tough time. I hope things get better for you.

[dorokusai]

That's the problem guys, I just can't go buy stuff, I have just started a part time job after being unemployed for a year and a half. I have a dead beat landlord who would not fix any thing so I started with holding rent, only to have them take us to court so the landlords buddy(the judge) would only knock off 20% of the back rent. If it would have been in any other county I would have got all of the rent I paid to him back and this place would have been condemned. We took over 60 pictures with us as well as a ceiling tile that had rotted and had fallen down, as well as a piece of fungus that was growing out of the ceiling. the judge gave us 10 days to pay or vacate. We could not find a new place that we could afford, and the day that we had to pay was the same day I started the job that is only 3 miles from me. Not to mention it is really hard to move with a wife, who at that point, was 5 weeks from her due date. If we end up in court again, I will be asking the judge to recuse himself. I will be with holding rent again if repairs are not made. I do have a parasound amp, but it is in need of repair. I believe it was defective upon purchase, but did not find that out until a while after I bought it(finding a job had a higher priority than music). For a while I was ready to off myself so my wife and kids could collect SSI, and have an easier time money wise. So it will be a while before the home theater is back up and running unless I find something in the receiver I can fix myself. I still have to pull a tweeter from one of the mon. 7s for the SDAs, but that is not even close to a priority until I get things back up and running. Doro, I know all to well that these things happen, but when is it going to end?

I've had an awful 60 days man....you gotta tough it out for now. And don't ever talk about what you just did again, its ridiculous and unneccesary. That's not how men deal with things and I know you're better than that. Send me a PM offline and Ill send you a prepaid label for the AVR. Send it to me and Ill work with my local friends to get some eyes under the hood. Relax and worry about things that are far more important ok? Get it packed up tonight.

[dudeinaroom]

Thanks Doro. I'm gonna take a look first, something may have fallen inside and be shorting the speaker terminal, my next guess would be a bad thermistor. I have kept a lot of my down falls off here, but all the just go buy comments just blew my mind. Sorry for the blurt. To cnh, yeah, buy me a house. lol.

I'm going to be looking for a second job, and after the wife pops, she will also be looking for employment. If any of you know of anybody who would be willing doing a rent to own in Standish, MI. please send me their info. This county sucks to rent in, but the local school has been good for are oldest, he is bipolar and we would hate to switch to a school with less understanding teachers, not to mention my second boy who will be starting kindergarten this fall was also diagnosed as bipolar.

I love you polkies,
Ted

[conqur]

i don't know you at all. but i do feel your pain. i pray that God blesses and keeps your family during this trying time. stay in faith and in prayer. when blessings rain. they pour.


QUOTE=dudeinaroom;1406818]So I get home from work to day and find out my middle boy broke the mirror in our bathroom. Then after I sit down the wife say "Oh, check this out." She walks over to the receiver pushes the power button, then pushes the standby button to turn it on. It does it's normal green light blinky thingy then shuts down and goes to a fast orange blinking light. Owners manual states it's either shorted speaker wires, inadequate ventilation, or over heating due to long duration of high volume. Well it was off when I got home, and not even close to hot, there is nothing covering any of the ventilation and it is free standing, I disconnected all of the speaker wires and still get the same results. I might crack it open tomorrow to see if some thing fell inside of it, but I don't think so, I turned it over and shook it a little to see if anything would come out, or if I could hear anything rattling around inside, I got nothing. Looks like I'll be out of some tunes/movies for a while in not indefinitely. I just want to know why is it always one step forward=two steps back. I am just about ready to give up on audio electronics. I could understand if I abused my stuff, but I don't, I enjoy my hearing too much. So now I have a receiver that is out of commission, and amp that cuts out before max volume even when it is cool, and an SDA with a dead tweeter. I'm so ready to sell off every thing which would consist od a pair of SDA 2As, a pair of Mon 7's a 350 center, some cheapy realistic bookshelves, a set of Mitsubishi separates A B&K pre, a Kenwood tuner, 2 turntables and an sacd/cd/dvd changer. Oh well, Guess I'll just have to save up for a couple years so I can get a new one. It would have been no thing, but after paying the landlord $1800 bucks a week ago this whole money going out thing is starting to get a little old. I am so tired of just getting my feet back on the ground just to get a baseball bat to the back of the head. Sorry for the rant guys and girls, but I had to get it off of my chest before I inadvertently take it out on a non-deserving family member.[/QUOTE]

[dudeinaroom]

If you look up above you can see how long I have been with out tunes. A couple days ago I pulled the 7s out of the bedroom and placed them atop of the SDAs. Now I only have them hooked up to a cheap Mitsubishi Dolby surround preamp and matching amp, but these things sound awesome, more than I expected. They can dig deeper than I thought they would. They image way better than I could have ever expected. Dare I say as good as SDAs???? Not quite, but not too far off. The stage is not as deep, and some what narrower (the wall don't disappear). Denon has been packed away for now as well as the Parasound. Hoping to find a place soon, as I have until December 31st. to get out of this place and into a new one.

[AudioGenics]

Happy Thanksgiving.

hope you will find your next place soon
and the support you need for the family.

3 months later was the Denon repaired ?
or you must have alot of patience.

[HB27]

Hang in there man!
I learned a few years ago IF your problems are money you don't have any true problems. I'm a single full time dad of a 10 year old son. His mom developed cancer when he was 4 months old. It's been he and I since.
Work hard, keep a good attitude, and appreciate what you have and love your family.
Be Thankful today and everyday.
Wishing you a good Thanksgiving and a handful of luck your way.

Harry

[larry777]

The same thing happened to me with my Denon Receiver. I found that one of the speaker wire posts at the back of the receiver moved to the side, and was touching the one next to it. The Receiver would shut itself down to protect itself. It would turn on,I would get the Green Light,and the Receiver would shut itself off. I straightened the speaker wire post and moved my Receiver foreward about 1/2 inch. One of my Daughters must have bumped the Receiver pushing it back into the rear of the stand causing the post to move sideways. I use banana plugs which makes the posts easier to move sideways. It was an easy fix. Hope it worrks for you.

[dudeinaroom]

I'll have to check the post to see if one is bent, but I don't believe it is. Thanks for the turkey day wishes. I had to be to work at 1 this after noon, and got home just before 9. Got to give the kids hugs and kisses and get them into bed. Had a turkey sandwich. This is the first Thanksgiving I have ever worked, It was weird not being with family today. I have the next 2 days off, and will be heading down state to see the in-laws.

[skrol]

Hang in there man!
I learned a few years ago IF your problems are money you don't have any true problems. I'm a single full time dad of a 10 year old son. His mom developed cancer when he was 4 months old. It's been he and I since.
Work hard, keep a good attitude, and appreciate what you have and love your family.
Be Thankful today and everyday.
Wishing you a good Thanksgiving and a handful of luck your way.

Harry

Harry
May the Good Lord bless you and your son. You have a great attitude and you made my day.
Stan

[dudeinaroom]

Harry, I feel for ya man, I know how hard it can be.

So your saying if money is your only problem, you really don't have any problems. I don't know about that.

I need money for gas to get back and fourth to work. I need money for propane. I need money for a house. SO if you are correct, then I don't need to worry. I have until the 31st of December to find a house for my family, and I'm looking at a bank account with less than $30 in it, having to save up for either a down payment, or first months rent. Power is going to be shut off on the second (I owe consumers over 2200 bucks). I have rent for my last month due on the first. Christmas, what's that. So I am soon to be living in cardboard boxes with a family of 6 at the start of winter, wonder how I'm going to get propane to keep us warm. Yeah I can walk or ride my bike to work, just have a few spots on the body that don't like the sub 30 temps.

I don't know how you can say inf money is your only problems then you don't have any problems. EVERYTHING in modern society revolves around money. If you made less than 18 grand a year, you would realize lack of money is a real problem. Now I'm not blaming any one for the situation I am in. I should not have taken a year off school when I graduated, I should have went straight to college. I could make my wife work, but then we would be paying out more in daycare than she would bring in anyways.

[Polkersince85]

The local United Way may have ways to assist you and your family. Give them a call Monday and see what they have. They have a lot of contacts which may help you.

[dudeinaroom]

I did contact united way, and they are unable to give us help because we are not in the county they serve(2 miles over the county line). Thanks for the suggestion. I am lost, we were supposed to be out of here on the 31st of last month, but still can not find a place to live. I tried to get a mortgage, I can get one, but not for the amount I needed. They say I could not afford the payment (yet I am paying more than what the payment would be now when you include the 500+ a month for heating). Would have been the perfect place, pretty much right across the street from the school and less than a mile from work, which would have meant even more savings in gas. So now I am waiting for an eviction notice. Once that happens the red cross can give us help, they will put us up in a motel for 3 nights. Is it just me or are all the systems broken? Crap even our government is broken both nationally and locally. I guess I'm stuck. Unless someone wants to buy me a house and do a rent to own for a couple years until I can secure a mortgage for the remainder, but I know that is not going to happen. The best thing I guess I can do is find an abandoned place and become a squatter. If I do it for 20 years, and make improvements upon the property according to the gubment it's mine.

[gdb]

PM coming