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    Congrats on the new amp. Glad to hear you're happy with it. Just make sure you are playing her type of music when she walks through the door.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zingo View Post
    Looks good! What will you be powering with it? Does it come with a remote?
    No remote control It's just like the old days when I had to get off my butt to change the volume.:)

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    Havent tryed biasing

    My wifes due home in a couple of mins....should I hide it or I guess it could be the making of a stunning you tube video

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    Quote Originally Posted by polkfarmboy View Post
    I'm scared that I might bust the connectors for the tubes .....do you have to realy force them down?
    I probably take this to an extreme like everything else with this hobby, but I never touch tubes with my fingers. Oil on the glass surface causes heat to transfer differently and can cause a hot spot. Whether this causes shortened tube life is up for debate, but cleaning finger oil off if you have touched the glass might be a good idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by polkfarmboy View Post
    Havent tryed biasing

    My wifes due home in a couple of mins....should I hide it or I guess it could be the making of a stunning you tube video
    That video would be priceless! :D
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    Guess who's doing foot massages , dishes ,vacuming and laundry for the next 2 weeks<<<

    I think I love tubes now, the sounds so diff and I can already tell after a power down that it has not taxed my ears so much as the onkyo does

    I will have to buy a digital voltage meter before I power it back up . I always thought my martin logan didnt have quite the slam that cones do but boy was I wrong. Even the electrostat panel has a new life

    There's so much oomph in the mid bass that was non existent before .I can feel the wind blasting across my room carryin sweet music

    This is the best $500 dollars I have spent

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    Quote Originally Posted by polkfarmboy View Post
    This is the best $500 dollars I have spent
    Now that's awesome!

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    You're doing fine. A digital VOM is affordable enough, but don't get too hung up on trying to set an exact mv bias value. The analog meter you have is fine and you won't hurt anything or hear a difference if you are anywhere in the prescribed range.

    I guess what I'm saying is that yes you will probably watch the bias closely during break-in, but don't forget to kick back and enjoy the music. :)
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    Just curious...which ohm taps did you end up running your ML's from?

    These amps are sweet sounding for sure.

    BTW, hope I'm not thread jacking when I say that there's a helluva deal on one of these (extra quad of Tesla EL 34's, free shipping, 3ft pair of interconnects, no PP fee) on Ag*n. No afilliation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michaeljhsda2 View Post
    Just curious...which ohm taps did you end up running your ML's from?
    These amps are sweet sounding for sure.
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    I tryed the 8 ohm taps and 4 but thought the low end realy opend up with the 4 way more than it did with 8ohm

    My wife was realy cool about my purchase suprisingly.... just kidding ,she frieked the F out but then I gave her a listen and dimmed the lights

    I gave her a blast of mariah carey and she was in love and knows her songs very well so everythings great

    I cant believe how loud this amp is and I have had it under half way the whole time . My martin logans are giving me my money back for sure. All my hard rock music has a harder hit without any harshness in the highs .....its very smooth

    I can totaly see how people get addicted to tube sound . I just got done with pink floyd's The wall and it has a new lease on life .Tall the kickdrum and all the instuments have a nice texture unlike anything I have heard so far

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    What are you doing posting then?! GO ENJOY IT!

    Lol, welcome to the wonderful world of tubes and enjoy your new amp!

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    Quote Originally Posted by polkfarmboy View Post
    Havent tryed biasing

    My wifes due home in a couple of mins....should I hide it or I guess it could be the making of a stunning you tube video
    Dude, you should have biased it the first time you used it. It's IMPORTANT. Chances are it came somewhat biased from the manufacturer, but NEVER count on that. If the tubes aren't properly biased you'll ruin the tubes or the unit or both.

    Before you go any further, bias the power tubes!!!!

    Congrats, you are now sliding down the rabbit hole!! It's FUN isn't it?

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    The tube amp came with no instruction?

    I dont know what to bias or how to read this analog meter I borrowed ?

    One thing I noticed was a weird smell from it

    How can I tell if I have caused any damage?

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    The smell is normal for anything that is new and generates heat, unless it's really smelly. I'm sure if you did a Google search there is much discussion on your amp since it's a fairly popular model. I also believe Zingo has addressed the issue in this thread. E-mail the company you bought it from and ask them.

    Mostly if it's improperly biased the tubes will go, but there are caps and resistors in there that could be damaged too if you run the bias at one extreme or the other. It's not a difficult procedure at all. A digital volt/ohm meter is a little easier to use.

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    At lunch I may try using that analog meter . I understand it should read 350- 400 milivolts

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    Quote Originally Posted by polkfarmboy View Post
    At lunch I may try using that analog meter . I understand it should read 350- 400 milivolts
    Sure, why not. Can't hurt anything. Make sure the volume control is at zero and nothing is hooked to the inputs, like a cdp, etc. ALWAYS have speakers hooked up when the unit is powered up.

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    Each EL 34 is labelled V1, V2, V3 and V4? Did you install the EL34's this way? The tubes were biased at the factory to spec. Just verify with the volt meter. Set the meter to millivolts. Insert the positive probe and negative probe into V1 area. Amp should be on and volume turned down.

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    Congrats on the new Yaqin! I got one of their 300B amps a few months ago and the rest of the amps have been gathering dust ever since. I keep several different types laying around and hook up the ones that suit my mood at the time. The Yaqin is absolutely the best money I've ever spent on audio.
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    I second that max , the tube amp has turned my 8 inch cones into subwoofers

    I did make sure that V1 - V4 were all input right , they had stickers on them

    If I power the amp up later and find all the readings are wrong does this mean I have caused damage to the transformer's etc??

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    Then check the remaining 3 valves. As long as they are within 350 to 400 mv you are fine. Don't waste your time, plus there is no sense, in trying to make them all exactly the same number within the 350 to 400 range. Just sayin. Post your results if you don't mind.

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    I'm pretty sure you did no harm. Just let the amp warm up and check the bias in V1. If it was biased too high the tubes would be really glowing super red hot and the smell would be overwhelming.

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    I will do michael , I hope I have enough time at lunch to swing by walmart and pick up a digital voltmeter though as I have no clue on how to read that analog one

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    Quote Originally Posted by polkfarmboy View Post
    I second that max , the tube amp has turned my 8 inch cones into subwoofers

    I did make sure that V1 - V4 were all input right , they had stickers on them

    If I power the amp up later and find all the readings are wrong does this mean I have caused damage to the transformer's etc??

    Don't worry about damage right now it's not very likely you've done any, just get the digital meter and take some readings. The Chinese gear is nice, but their quality control can be all over the board. Once you get the readings report back.

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    You would be better off to pick up a voltmeter at Radio Shack. Some of the department store ones don't even measure voltage correctly. For $30 you can find a decent one.
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    I cant find milivolts on the digital multi meter ? man this is a pain

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    Quote Originally Posted by polkfarmboy View Post
    I cant find milivolts on the digital multi meter ? man this is a pain
    Some meters have a "volts" setting, then you can adjust the scale after you make the "volts" selection. If not, you might have to do some simple math to convert the readings.

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    Agreed. I have a cheap Radio Shack one and it's never been wrong when compared against my father-in-laws commercial Fluke.

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    I found the volts section but got no reading when I put the connections in the amp

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    Practice getting readings on a 9 volt battery, AA battery, etc. to get an idea of how the meter responds.

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    I'm gona go buy a better one later on tonight so I know its done right but right now I'm just listening down realy low

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    Just go to Radio Shack and get their Digital Multimeter. It is dark grey and has a catalog number of 22-813. This metter automatically adjusts the voltage scale to what you need. You just set it to "V" for voltage and your set. Incorrect bias will show itself in one of two ways. Bias current is the "idle" current of a tube. The current is controled by a voltage that blocks the the current. If you increase your idle voltage you actually decrease your idle current. (It can be confusing). If the bias voltage is to low the current can excede its normal range and cause the plates (the large metal areas that are visable) to turn red hot like a stove burner. If you have to high a bias voltage the current at idle is to low and you can have a very cold sterile sound and increased distortion. This is all based on the fact that you will be reading the actual bias voltage. Just to really confuse things amplifiers will sometimes have you reading a voltage across a built in resiter that actually represents a reading of the bias current. If this is the case then the reverse of the earlier effects will be noted (higher volatge reading on the meter would equate to a higher idle current and vise versa.)

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