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    Talking

    Uh, Paul, I counted them and I got 3...

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    Uh, right, forgot about the new black one. Duh.

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    Not knocking Escape owners out there, but isn't the Escape more of a (use an Elmer Fudd inflection) twuck than a truck ?
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    (read with Ronald Reagan accent) Well Russ, there you go again, confusing me and the American people with facts! Why I was saying to Nancy just the other night that SUVs are built on truck chassis and so are technically trucks. But Nancy said. "Daddy, if they are trucks why do mostly chicks drive them?" And I said, "Mommie, he-man all-American Polk road salespeople drive 'em too so they are too trucks... and also....errr, what was I saying?"

    OK enough Reagan bashing - someone brought up SUVs and so I thought I'd mention our 2 or 3 (whatever) Escapes as well as the long line of F150s we built over the years.

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    eh -- escape is an suv -- its a smaller one, but when u think about the fact that the OLD chevy blazer (like 98 - 2001) was virtually the same size or maybe a little smaller, you begin to relize that the escape isn't small -- suv's have just been on steroids last few years.

    escape is like the suv equiv of a ranger or s-10... while you're excursion is monstrous.

    anywho -- thom's right more or less -- truck owners may not find "MOMO" attractive... they may not even know who momo is... and while momo makes truck stuff... i'll grant you that most people probably didn't even know it.

    however... i dont think u'd be marketing momo itself to truck owners... you'd be marketing polk -- u know there are two names in that "Polk-Momo" -- since the ricers like to forget the first one exists, the truck people can forget the 2nd one exists.

    i think u get the general idea -- push product specs, features, performance on the truck / suv community -- push the cosmetics, the momo name, etc etc on the rice community.

    u guys musta really took a big hit budget wise, either that or magazine ad prices went through the roof -- cuz i used to see like maybe 2 ad's a month in random magazines for polk stuff, whether it was HT or 12V, i haven't seen one now in a while.

    dont fret though -- i dont think mag ads make or break anybody's co. -- its word of mouth. when little johnny b. good wants to get his new speakers on his 17th birthday, his buddies are all gonna say "Get this, get that, get whatever" -- and he's gonna buy that stuff... so getting into somebody's car quick and makin em happy is key. note - can't just get in the car if u dont make em happy -- cant make em happy if u dont get in the car... both are essential.

    ugh -- i dont wanna do my homework -- i'm killing time... *twiddling fingers*... *whining* i wanna go play with the car, my grandmother hoodwinked the old man and got insurance for it today -- plates tomorrow... life is good :)
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    LMFAO @ Reagan....lolol.

    "why i was just tellin nancy..." -- lolol.

    best part was i could HEAR the voice as i was reading it... :p
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    Originally posted by Jstas
    Steve,
    You are looking at it from a very biased point of view.
    And you aren't? All you've been talking about lately is how Polk has been denying the truck/suv market. I didn't mention any kind of bias in my first statement. Please, before jumping to conclusions read again. I've been in the audio biz for a while, and into cars longer. Please, don't mistake me for some newbie ricer that just wants boom. I know what music is, and I know what it sounds like. I know what cars and trucks can do.

    One guy puts a 8k dvd system in his car, wow, that's one person. Now if millions of people but 8k dvd systems in their car, then that's a market. Let's not go into the "I know this one guy...." arguements.

    And if you think the "boom boom" came from the sport compact crown, you sir, are quite mistaken. It was the mini-trucks, and low-riders of the 80s that had systems to bust out the new "rap" sound that was progressing into the mainstream.

    The normal consumer does not want amps in their car, fancy headunits, and other devices that cause complexity to their driving experience and look like a nice item to steal for thieves. There are people out there working for car companies on their built-in dvd systems to make them as simple and user friendly as possible. A lot of the aftermarket systems have a required learning curve to use, which most people don't want to fool with.

    I've been to CES, thanks, I am well aware of what is out there. I am involved with the local car clubs and meet all types of people with trucks, suvs, hot rods, and sport compacts. I'm not a one trick pony.

    I was making a general, non-confronting arguement and you attacked me. That's not how you should discuss something.
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    And please, stop with the rice generalizations. You are making assumptions that are not correct. A lot of the "rice" out there can embarrass a lot of the "redneck".

    What if I renamed the hot rod/truck scene to "rednecks" or "hicks"? I don't think you'd appreciate that.
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    Good one Paul!

    Rice to me is the 'stickers = horsepower' crowd. (or yellow paint it seems). The 'ricers' in my book are the posers that strap on a Boeing wing, a fart pipe, and a 'powered by' sticker and somehow think they now have a race car.

    As far as the 'real' import enthusiasts (ones that actually tune and make perf mods), I think it's cool, and actually reminds me of the stories my dad would tell me about hot-rodding in the 40's and 50's. Lots of similarities, limited budget, modding 'cheap', lightweight (for the time) cars in their garages and backyards on the weekends.

    ///end de-rail, sorry///

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    We have cut back on home advertising, partly because magazine readership is way down and partly because with our large market share in home speakers we don't need the marketing muscle there. We still run regular home ads in Sound & Vision and Stereophile. But our ad budget for 12V is WAY up. We are running monthly ads in:
    Mobile Entertainment (formerly Car Stereo Review)
    Car Audio & Electronics
    Super Street
    Sport Compact Car
    Import Tuner
    Euro Tuner
    Euro Lowrider
    Honda Tuning
    Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords
    Car Sound & Performance
    DialD
    And probably a couple of others that I can't remember

    PoweredbyDodge is right that ads alone do not sell product our establish a reputation but they are an important part of an overall marketing mix that at least get people to know we exist and take a look/listen to the products. After that the products themselves must earn their own way. No amount of BS will overcome bad products. Oh wait! What am I saying? What about B__e? See, BS IS important. Job security! Yay! Seriously folks, some companies might be able to get away with a 90/10 split of marketing poo poo and product performance but that doesn't seem to work for Polk and our core customers.

    In addition to the ads, we are participating in over 70 shows this year, including Truck shows. Something must be working because for the first time ever our 12V website traffic exceeds traffic on the home site. That will undoubtedly change as we get into the fall, but it tells us that more people are taking a close look at Polk 12V products and that's what Al, Micah, Justin and I get paid to do. Yeah, I know, y'all thought we did this for free ;-).

    This thread has sure been interesting. Who would have thought that you guys would be so interested in our marketing and ad strategy. I'm getting weepy.

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    Originally posted by "Polk" Paul DiComo
    The truck and SUV market is HUGE and there is plenty of aftermarket audio gear going into them. Just go to any midwestern or southern city on a summer weekend and the odds or good that there will be a truck or mini-truck show going on with most of the vehicles have some sort of aftermarket ICE. There a re dozens of magazines and web sites dedicated to trucks.

    When we were outlining our marketing plans for this year we realized that we could not afford to address both the import sport compact folks AND the truck fans AND the hot rod/American lovers. We saw the biggest opportunity with sport compacts and focused there with a token presence in Muscle Mustang mag. Our hope is that sales will grow, thereby increasing the ad budget and we can reach out to the truck guys too.

    We love trucks and know of quite a few top-notch show trucks where the owners chose Polk, so if we do ads with trucks we have plenty of candidates to shoot (photographically). BTW, we have two, count 'em, 2 Escapes.

    Paul (Polk Marketing Manager/PR guy)
    Now that is an honest answer without excuses! thank you, I completely understand. I was never trying to guilt you guys into doing something that wasn't financially feasible. I just saw way too many disparaging remarks concerning the community and it led me to believe that there was a woefully bad misconception. I nor anyone else who responded, recieved an answer like you gave. Now that I understand, it's all good.

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    Steve,
    No, actually, I am not looking at it from a biased point of view. You responded to a post that I made that was not directed towards you. The post that got your feathers ruffled was directed towards the Polk people who were coming off as being "too good for trucks". Your response was that the sport compact market was not a bunch of "ricers" and that it wasn't a fad. To which I AGREED and then offered an explanation behind my statements.

    If I approached it in a gruff manner and hurt your feelings, TFB, I don't care. Get a thicker skin, isn't that what you tell me? But then blasting me because you let your anger at the post get the best of you and destroy your comprehension is no excuse. Haven't you also told me that?

    Again, I will say that the sport compact thing is not a fad. "Ricers" are and, it really hurts to say this but, I agree with RuSsMaN. He hit it dead on. Stop getting so uppity about it.

    Lastly, go ahead and make the redneck generalization. It's unwarranted and inaccurate but I've dealt with it all my life, doesn't bother me. Also, I never meant to discredit you. I was only attempting to restore my own credibility as being knowledgable on the subjects I am discussing. I felt that your remarks and "generalizations" were disparaging and seemed to be detracting from my statements and the credibility behind them. The ONLY reason you can claim more time is the fact that you are most likely older than I am. I promise you though that I have alot more knowledge in my head than anyone ever gives me credit for.

    One more thing, about examples, you don't like them, TFB again. I do not use them to validate an argument. I was using them to demostrate an example of what I see happening in the market. You can goto CES all you want. CES will not tell you what Joe Schmoe who doesn't even know what CES is, is doing with his minivan. I can because I have consulted people who have asked me for help and advice, many people, with LOTS of money, on what to do to gain a certain level of performance for thier vehicle. I am trying to stick a bug in Polk Audio's ear saying "Don't forget about these guys over here or those guys over there." I know how to argue a point and I know that one cannot win an argument by proxy. I was not arguing with you, those examples were not even meant for you. The only one that was was the guy with 8K invested into the his audio system in his car. That was in response to your statement about the average guy not wanting that kind of thing in his car. It was an example of an actual application. The argument in the entiure paragraph before it, you chose to ignore. The argument wasn't even about applications. It was about the marketing strategy and teh fact that no one is marketing mobile entertainment stuff to the people who would use it the MOST, familes with small children that need to be occupied on long trips!

    So kindly, quit it. Get off your high horse because no one is attacking you and there is no high road to take here. Do not side track this thread any more. This is not what this thread is about. If you care to continue this further, take it to email or private messages. My address is jrjr@snip.net

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    Since I am getting a truck. I honestly dont plan to get into Car Audio when I get my truck. But I will comment on this.
    If I were to really go full throttle into it, I would put Dual 18's with 1000 watt mono amps in the bed of the truck in an enclosure. One 10 inch inside, and Polk's TOTL speaker, as long as it didnt have the chrome lookin grill, because that mess looks gay in a truck. No offense, but it just dosnt mesh! lol!
    My point...Trucks are alot more versatile than cars when it comes to Car Audio in what you can do. Unless you like to loose alot of trunk room...
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    VR3 -- 18's in the bed? with 1000w amps... you'd never hear them


    you'd have to cut aand build ports you could get your body through from the bed to the cabin -- else why bother.

    if you're going for sheer boom effect -- two 18's with 1k each isn't going to do all that much -- i drive 1500 x 2 to my subs and you can't really hear jack outside the cabin... then again i've got enough sound deading of various methods to dampen a space shuttle launch.

    a single 12 with 1k - 1500 watts would be plenty in an X cab truck... a single 10 with 750 would do in a standard cab... or u can go the "no holds barred" route and get up to an infinite number of speakers...

    either way -- i've found two 12's with 3000 watts total rms sub power to be quite pleasing for both sound quality and mind numbing volume.

    i just found my Dr. Dre Chronic 2001 CD in my girlfriend's room layin on the floor -- had lost it for almost 2 yrs -- true to form, it pounds like crazy... yet for some reason i still thank my 88 stardard cab pickup sounded better... i must be going deaf.
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    dude, VR3... if u wanna get sick loud in a bed... try this on...

    polk used to have a box plan in their old "fabrication" section on the old website.

    as of late it became just suggestions for Q logic boxes -- i kinda liked the old schematics / blue prints for how to make your own boxes for the particular subs -- it was fun to read and gave some good ideas...

    anywho - back to the point...

    there was a box design for what i believe is the 8 foot bed of a pickup truck.

    in it where something like 8 or 10 EXII 12" subs.

    they were all firing toward the center of the bed with about a foot or so between them...

    now that... with like 3000 watts would be loud as hell.

    the cone mass and the amount of air being moved would greatly compensate for the low (and i use low liberally here... throwing 300 on a sub isn't low power, but for the "bangin in the back of a truck bed" in compairson to a couple k watts its low) power to each sub.

    i never had a chance to build it -- thought about it a hundred times... i may someday do it... run like a crossfire VR2000D to the subs in the bed and call it a day -- i could probably get away with just one or two more batteries and a bigger alternator long as i didn't run it every day.... that'd be something for "show off to friends" only kinda thing.

    but yes THAT would be killer...lol...

    whatta u rollin around in now VR3?

    and what kind of truck are you getting ?? (how are u using it? work, mudding, daily driving ?)
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    Im rolling in a computer chair!
    I'm 14, get my Truck in 2 years. Getting a 1987 Nissan King Cab Exstended bed from my Dad. It will be used for daily driving usage, and construction work. I don't really plan to get into Car Audio though.
    I wouldnt exactly put my speakers in a closet, I couldnt imagine putting them in a car! lol! But, I may someday!
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    PbD - I would love to see that, damn that's a bad ass thought. Would the SPL's from that be enough to break windows? Would it depend on ultra high watts, or just a correct setup?

    Faster - Amen. :D

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    Default Please kep it civil

    Folks,
    Come on, let's cut out the sniping and insults. Life is too short to get all riled up over ricers vs. trucks, perceived insults and other BS. Just let it roll off your back. I notice that a lot of these spats get started because someone didn't read a post carefully enough - just plain and simple miscommunication.
    Chill, yo.

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    Please continue to participate in the Forum. Your opinions are valued. I'm not chasing anyone away, just asking everyone to be civil and not get all riled up about stuff. If you guys have some real issues between yourselves and want to argue, please do it through email.

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    Default Re: Please kep it civil

    Originally posted by "Polk" Paul DiComo
    Folks,
    Come on, let's cut out the sniping and insults. Life is too short to get all riled up over ricers vs. trucks, perceived insults and other BS. Just let it roll off your back. I notice that a lot of these spats get started because someone didn't read a post carefully enough - just plain and simple miscommunication.
    Chill, yo.
    no crap...do it off the boards...
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    Originally posted by Jstas

    Paul,
    Steve and I have discussed things off the site. It was really more of a misunderstanding than anything and judging from Steve's response, I believe things have been resolved.
    Agreed!
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    Originally posted by dorokusai
    PbD - I would love to see that, damn that's a bad ass thought. Would the SPL's from that be enough to break windows? Would it depend on ultra high watts, or just a correct setup?
    well here's the thing -- it woudl be in the bed of a truck... so in the driving cabin you'd see nothing near what the actual SPL was if you instead put the microphone in the bed of the truck with the subs.

    there... it would be sick ass loud.

    again, this is why such a setup is only good for showing off to everybody else -- teh spl in the bed, if done right, with proper amplification might peg up around 165 or so - but you'd really have to soundproof the hell out of the bed... which would negate that "boom boom show off" factor.. cuz once u slammed the bed cover down and bolted it in place you wouldn't be able to hear it.

    instead the goal wouldn't be SPL but just braggadocio loudness, a vinyl bed cover could be used, a thin layer of rhinoliner on the bed to kill some rattle (prollly do it underneath too) and then go to town... however, if u sealed off the bed, sound deadened it, and threw the mic in the bed .... i can see it doing 165+++++ depending on how much work, time, and money you put into it.
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    Originally posted by faster100
    I'm Italian what can i say, I have a attitude and i'm opinionated
    I'm italian too... doesn't make me act the way u do.

    Please don't go around telling people you're Italian, it makes the rest of us look really bad.

    I don't know how your wife or kids put up with you.

    Get a grip.

    The Polk employees probably didn't disagree / rag on Jstas not because they had any worry of bad PR or word of mouth... a simple click could remove a post from this board, and if they wanted they could remove all our usernames... instead, I'm thinking they listened and had constructive conversation because they felt they were getting this sort of "blah" feeling from the consumer community as a whole and figured they might as well take it up with the bitchiest of us all (namely the couple of people who chimed in on this post) because then they'd get the "worst case scenario" and could then decide if/what they wanted to do from there.

    I think it was a smart move. My opinion of the company went up about 3 or 4 clicks on the click-o-meter.

    I'm gonna go get my plates now... but first I'm going to "El Toi-o-let" where I will relieve myself of a faster100 and then be on my way...
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    Oh yeah? Blah, blah, blah...
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    And don't forget to tune in next week where you will see two Italian's incoherently rambling and beating each other over the head with garlic breadstick's.

    It can only be seen here, at Club Polk!

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    My dad can kick your dad's ass. My dingus is bigger than yours. My bike is better than yours. Nah Nah Nah boo-boo, stick your hand in doo-doo.

    Triple infinity and beyond.

    So, how bout' that Polk marketing?

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    :: This is the type of mess that sent the Home Audio Forums down the drain...::

    Not trying to get involved, but hey -- I thought I'd point it out!

    And don't forget to tune in next week where you will see two Italian's incoherently rambling and beating each other over the head with garlic breadstick's.
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    Blah, blah, blah, blah...
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    Originally posted by "Polk" Paul DiComo

    Chill, yo.
    Please don't say that anymore. We thank you.

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    why do i feel like the last lonely hick in east bumble as the city trash moves into my neck of the woods... oh wait, i know why.

    i just cooked a speaker... better things to do than deal w/ u Faster.

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