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    I am seriously considering one of these to pull the hi rez downloads (and CD rips)from my PC so I can play them on my main rig.Since it is about 30ft away from my PC I would prefer to use it wireless instead of stringing a long length of ethernet cable between them.
    I assume most users operate it wieless so was wondering if you have experienced any issues with dropouts,interference or reduced sound quality etc?Also has anyone tried or use the USB input to play hi rez files from a thumb drive or USB HD?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FTGV View Post
    I am seriously considering one of these to pull the hi rez downloads (and CD rips)from my PC so I can play them on my main rig.Since it is about 30ft away from my PC I would prefer to use it wireless instead of stringing a long length of ethernet cable between them.
    I assume most users operate it wieless so was wondering if you have experienced any issues with dropouts,interference or reduced sound quality etc?Also has anyone tried or use the USB input to play hi rez files from a thumb drive or USB HD?
    None whatsoever to your first question. It has been flawless and I own the SQB - Touch and I previously owned a SQB-II and also own the Squeeze Radio for the bedroom.

    I have tried the thumb drive but not got it to work properly. The inter-phase it seems is slow and a little clumsy. To be fair I haven't read the instructions or given it the proper time to learn.

    One of the best ever audio additions I have made was the SQB II and the Touch is even cooler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heiney9 View Post
    None whatsoever to your first question.
    Thanks thats what I was hoping to hear.Also I don't yet have a wireless router, is there anything special I should be looking for as far as it's capabilities are concerned?

    One of the best ever audio additions I have made was the SQB II and the Touch is even cooler.

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    There are a few updates out there for the Touch, make sure you have latest firmware H9. As for OP I have the touch and bought it based on reviews here. I love it and have had zero issues. I use mine indoors and even have it setup with the Ipad and provides music outdoors to my Atrium 65s. Overall very impressed with the unit.
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    My main rig is using the SQB Touch exclusively. 80% Pandora and Internet radio, 20% my library.Have not used a CD player in months. Wireless, no issues, excellent sound. I'm using an external DAC. The SQB Touch analog outs are good, but an external DAC is better IMO.
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    I have the Squeezebox Duet and use it wireless. It is solid. No issues streaming audio from my PC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FTGV View Post
    Thanks thats what I was hoping to hear.Also I don't yet have a wireless router, is there anything special I should be looking for as far as it's capabilities are concerned?They definitely have the cool factor and convience factor appears to be through the roof.
    Just get the nicest most up-to-date wireless router you can afford, no need to go crazy. They make long range wireless routers now (N band, IIRC) so if they are going to be far away you might consider that.

    Once you start using something like this you'll never go back to a conventional cdp as a main source. If you have an iPod Touch the iPeng application runs the SQB Touch; it's awesome!

    I also agree with Ricardo, the internal dac's are decent, but not what I consider "audiophile" (better than previous SQB's though) so you may want to consider using an external dac.

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    Thanks all for the feedback,I guess I'll proceed with the wireless.To squeeze the most out of it I will be using an external DAC. As others mentioned I strongly suspect it will become my primary source.

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    If you have more than one wireless device, get a dual-band wireless router. I have the SQB Touch, Roku box, and a couple of pc's that can hit the wireless all at the same time. I moved up to a dual-band wireless router and it keeps everything humming along.
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    Oy Vey!

    My head is spinning a little from one thread and then I was pointed to this thread and.... whew! I figure what is being discussed here is close enough to what I am doing.

    My setup is simple, maybe a bit meager, but I don't believe permanent (beyond maybe a year or two). It's laptop->headphone out->receiver->monitor 70's.

    Talk started about computer to DAC, of which there are many, that DAC's can make a difference then someone tossed in Esoteric Audio > computer+DAC, USB transfer is poor, but I don't think even used I could come up with funds for a cd player like that. But I also don't want to miss anything.

    What am I missing? Some here have sworn off cd players. Some swear by them.

    Others say the traditional cd mechanism is dated compared to what a computer (or the logitech box) + external DAC.

    I guess it's about tradeoffs? not that I want to make any if avoidable. Thx...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Habanero Monk View Post
    Oy Vey!

    My head is spinning a little from one thread and then I was pointed to this thread and.... whew! I figure what is being discussed here is close enough to what I am doing.

    My setup is simple, maybe a bit meager, but I don't believe permanent (beyond maybe a year or two). It's laptop->headphone out->receiver->monitor 70's.

    Talk started about computer to DAC, of which there are many, that DAC's can make a difference then someone tossed in Esoteric Audio > computer+DAC, USB transfer is poor, but I don't think even used I could come up with funds for a cd player like that. But I also don't want to miss anything.

    What am I missing? Some here have sworn off cd players. Some swear by them.

    Others say the traditional cd mechanism is dated compared to what a computer (or the logitech box) + external DAC.

    I guess it's about tradeoffs? not that I want to make any if avoidable. Thx...
    Not the same as using a wireless music server. Headphone jack to receiver is the worst way to do it. Not trying to be blunt as I understand as you learn and can spend money on this hobby things improve. But the headphone jack in a laptop or any computer is not anywhere close to using a something like a Squeezebox Touch as far as sound quality or control of your music library.

    USB transfer *CAN* be poor but it can also be the best. Depends on how it's implemented.

    I would choose a traditional cdp everytime over headphone out.

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    What your missing is that it's a matter of preference. While debatable and subjective on what gives good sound quality, a cdp or a computer, one is more convenient for some. Computers take more to get good SQ out of them, not that it can't be done. If your just downloading MP3's and running through a 200 buck receiver, your pretty limited on the SQ your going to hear.

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    From this thread and the other, ya I agree that would be my next move. It is all budget and then budget begets analysis paralysis. What am I getting for each dollar that I am putting out.

    I can't go down one path to find out I have to do a 180. That is what has me twirled with the whole computational based audio be it a computer or a squeeze box if there is a hard ceiling that I can only get above by getting a really expensive cd player. Then I lose the ability to have all my music at a few button presses.

    But for now I can say I am enjoying coming home, kicking on some Rush YYZ, or PF, or Zep, or ... and enjoy it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Habanero Monk View Post
    From this thread and the other, ya I agree that would be my next move. It is all budget and then budget begets analysis paralysis. What am I getting for each dollar that I am putting out.

    I can't go down one path to find out I have to do a 180. That is what has me twirled with the whole computational based audio be it a computer or a squeeze box if there is a hard ceiling that I can only get above by getting a really expensive cd player. Then I lose the ability to have all my music at a few button presses.

    But for now I can say I am enjoying coming home, kicking on some Rush YYZ, or PF, or Zep, or ... and enjoy it.
    I hear ya!!!!! Just do your research and save the money and whne you feel confident then pull the trigger. It's not a race and yes there is a lot of info to cover. None of us learned it over night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Habanero Monk View Post
    From this thread and the other, ya I agree that would be my next move. It is all budget and then budget begets analysis paralysis. What am I getting for each dollar that I am putting out.

    I can't go down one path to find out I have to do a 180. That is what has me twirled with the whole computational based audio be it a computer or a squeeze box if there is a hard ceiling that I can only get above by getting a really expensive cd player. Then I lose the ability to have all my music at a few button presses.

    But for now I can say I am enjoying coming home, kicking on some Rush YYZ, or PF, or Zep, or ... and enjoy it.
    If the budget is tight you might look at this capable little USB DAC.It uses the prefered Asynchronous method of transfering data.http://www.musicdirect.com/product/87045

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    Quote Originally Posted by heiney9 View Post
    Once you start using something like this you'll never go back to a conventional cdp as a main source. If you have an iPod Touch the iPeng application runs the SQB Touch; it's awesome!
    iPeng is great, and so is Squeeze Commander for Android phones. I've used them both. Love my Squeezeboxes!
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    I picked up Linksys wireless router, it's up and running so now I just need to find the best deal on the Touch.There only appears to be two online retailers in Canada both selling for nearly MSRP I also have most of the key parts in my parts bins needed to build a nice outboard regulated 12VDC supply since I understand the stock PS leaves alot to be desired.
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    iPeng is great...
    That looks like the cats ass as far as controlling it.I'm going to try and work out a deal with my daughter for her 8g iTouch after she moves to the 32g version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FTGV View Post
    I picked up Linksys wireless router, it's up and running so now I just need to find the best deal on the Touch.There only appears to be two online retailers in Canada both selling for nearly MSRP I also have most of the key parts in my parts bins needed to build a nice outboard regulated 12VDC supply since I understand the stock PS leaves alot to be desired.
    That looks like the cats ass as far as controlling it.I'm going to try and work out a deal with my daughter for her 8g iTouch after she moves to the 32g version.
    It's hard to find them discounted. I fell into mine with a special 30% off coupon that was only active for a mere hour. Yes, I would build the PS it makes a difference. At first I was very skeptical since I was using the digital out, but to my ears the difference with an external linear PS was not subtle.

    iPeng is the bomb especially if the SQB Touch sits across the room, you can't see the art work or song titles so well.

    Good luck, there is a guy on Audiogon who sells new units for $260 but no experience with that seller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heiney9 View Post
    It's hard to find them discounted.
    Yeah I understand that demand is keeping the price up.
    Good luck, there is a guy on Audiogon who sells new units for $260 but no experience with that seller.
    Thanks I'll take a gander over there.
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    Got mine hooked up. So convenient. What would be the optimal output level--50%, 75%, 100?
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    I use the iPeng to control my SQB Touch, but it seems to kill the iphone's battery. Is this common, if so any way to keep the iphone from getting drained?
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    I use iPeng from my iPod Touch. I have not noticed any impact on battery consumption (by default the ipod's battery does not last more than 4-5 hours when in constant use, period).

    I keep it plugged overnight and it works for me. It rarely runs out of batteries, but I'm not "touching" it constantly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonicont View Post
    Got mine hooked up. So convenient. What would be the optimal output level--50%, 75%, 100?
    In the SB server, you can actually disable the remote volume. I keep mine on, so that I can turn it down if needed without going to the radio, but yeah - generally you just leave it at 100%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glowrdr View Post
    In the SB server, you can actually disable the remote volume. I keep mine on, so that I can turn it down if needed without going to the radio, but yeah - generally you just leave it at 100%
    The Touch doesn't have that feature anymore (like the SQB Classic, 2 and 3). But I have read that at 100% volume it effectively takes the vol control out of the circuit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TG Meat View Post
    I use the iPeng to control my SQB Touch, but it seems to kill the iphone's battery. Is this common, if so any way to keep the iphone from getting drained?

    Take a look at two iPeng settings. "Prevent Sleep Mode" and "Preserve Connection". I believe these are designed to give you quicker access to your library, but at the cost of battery life. I disabled both on my iPod Touch, and it did seem to help with battery life.

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    What gdpeck said - preserving the connection is what drains the battery. I ended up keeping a iphone dock on the end table next to my couch whenever I'm using my SB Touch, so when I'm listening to music the phone doesn't get drained.
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    Hey Heiney - so the welbourne labs PSU is worth it right? That's up next on my list (after I send my tax check this week lol).
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrazVT View Post
    Hey Heiney - so the welbourne labs PSU is worth it right? That's up next on my list (after I send my tax check this week lol).
    Yes, absolutely! There may be other alternatives out there now, not sure. Welbourne has lackluster customer service communication and it takes longer than I think it should to get the unit. To be fair, I believe they are build to order so the process is slow. Don't expect "Amazon or Newegg" type communication and shipping :tongue:

    However, the product is excellent and it's plug-n-play. I do recommend them 100% but just caution about slow service and communication.

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