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    Some people don't get higher end audiophilia.

    This is a quote from the comments section of a professional on-line review of the Pass Labs INT-30A. After receiving a raving professional review this is what someone comments.

    "written by kevon manuel , August 31, 2010

    Lets see. for $7000 I can get 7 Emotiva XPA 1's over this audiophile crap."


    I wish I had room in my sig for this :tongue:

    Some people aren't meant nor will they ever get what this hobby is about.

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    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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    A source of pride and a monument to suckcess. :tongue:

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    Now that's funny lol. Pass Labs is from a different universe compared to Emo.
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    For some of us it truly is a "hobby", for others..... it can be a blinding obsession. (not that there's anything wrong with that ! )


    A hobby is an activity or interest that is undertaken for pleasure or relaxation, typically done during one's leisure time.
    No matter how lost you are.......music can bring you home. (there are a few exceptions, however)

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    Let's see...

    For 7 grand I can get 21 Carver TFM-35's, or 7000 Kraco 8track players.:tongue:
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    Quote Originally Posted by organ View Post
    Now that's funny lol. Pass Labs is from a different universe compared to Emo.
    It struck me as comical, and no that's not just an excerpt from that person's comment.............that's the entire comment. :tongue:

    I understand we are all at different levels and some of us persue it more passionately and some of us care more about the end experience. But it seems this dude has no clue whatsoever.

    It just made me LOL at my desk so I thought I'd post it.

    Really ("audiophile crap")

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    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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    For 7 grand I can get 3500 taco supreme from Taco Bell.
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    Some don't get it. I was able to get my ears on a pass X250. A friend recently got it from his dealer that had someone trade it in. All I can say is wow. It definitely has me looking into the X series because he got an amazing deal on it. He now has 5 channals of pass amplification. I was envious. The X250 is huge and weighs well over 100 lbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heiney9 View Post
    It struck me as comical, and no that's not just an excerpt from that person's comment.............that's the entire comment. :tongue:

    I understand we are all at different levels and some of us persue it more passionately and some of us care more about the end experience. But it seems this dude has no clue whatsoever.

    It just made me LOL at my desk so I thought I'd post it.

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    LMFAO I thought it was an excerpt. Now it's alot funnier ha ha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by organ View Post
    For 7 grand I can get 3500 taco supreme from Taco Bell.
    Save some of that 7 grand for the Pepto

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    Quote Originally Posted by organ View Post
    For 7 grand I can get 3500 taco supreme from Taco Bell.
    Better to get a nice tube amp and a boatload of tubes to roll with it. Variety is the spice of life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heiney9 View Post
    Some people don't get higher end audiophilia.

    Some people aren't meant nor will they ever get what this hobby is about.

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    It's hard to get a true perspective on what higher end audiophilia is about due to some people's unwillingness to investigate, listen and learn for themselves AND due to all those wonderful and seemingly credible websites that keep telling people that all amplifiers, cables and source components sound alike.

    So, since the Pass INT-30A and the Emo XPA-1 sound exactly alike, why should one fork over 7X as much cash just for a prettier sculpted aluminum case and prestige brand name?
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    That Pass Labs only has 30W/ch and the EMO has 500W, The XPA is OBVIOUSLY 13.3x better at 1/7th the cost!
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    It's not so much that the Emo was mentioned (he could have inserted any more entry level piece from any manufacturer) it's just the phrasing and calling the higher end audio components "audiophile crap", that struck my funny bone.

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    P.s. My intent is NOT to start bashing Emo. Look beyond the brand and just soak in the "idea" of the comment.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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    Different strokes for different folks I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by decal View Post
    Different strokes for different folks I guess.
    Agreed. I have a friend who is quiet happy with his emo's and doesnt want anything else. He is content. Me on the other hand, tries to get my ear on as many pieces as I can in my rig. He always says, I will just wait til you buy something else to hear something different. It is what it is. As said earlier, for some its just a hobby and a way to pass time and for some its a passion, a sickness to find that little bit more. I so happen to be in the latter part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by decal View Post
    Different strokes for different folks I guess.
    I would agree, but I bet the author of that comment has never heard anything beyond entry level components or he was simply flabbegasted at the cost of a single piece of audio gear. Either way..........that's a far stretch to call it "different strokes for different folks", IMO. It show absolute ignorance.

    Generalize my comments over all higher end gear not just the 2 pieces the original comment is about.

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    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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    Quote Originally Posted by rdb2001 View Post
    Agreed. I have a friend who is quiet happy with his emo's and doesnt want anything else. He is content.
    I think that's fine.............as long as he doesn't go around making ignorant comments about the gear he has no interest in persuing.

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    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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    The original comment is so absurd it's not even offensive............it's comical. :tongue:

    It's one thing to have doubt or be apprehensive about a certain level of gear...........but to dismiss it, slam it so uneqivocally is just simply crazy.

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    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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    That would be like me bashing the dCS triple stack without ever hearing it.
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    Well, that Pass Labs stuff is probably the same inside as Emotiva, just with a nicer case. Put a nice meter and a blue light up thingy on the front and all the audiophiles will rave about it and want to own it.




















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    Behringer rules!

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    If I hadn't joined this forum I would consider EMO an upgrade from my crappy system and I'd be quite happy with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dkg999 View Post
    Well, that Pass Labs stuff is probably the same inside as Emotiva, just with a nicer case.
    Not sure it it's a tongue in cheek comment.

    Pass labs guts have many different components than Emotiva, for sure.

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    Dude whatever, the UPA-2 can run circles around any of that stupid over priced Pass Labs stuff. I mean come on, there's not a difference between A/B and class A or different amps.

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    Sounds like a typical person who doesn't want to try anything else. Its funny to note that people always say everything is the same when it comes to an amp, yet fail to understand the difference between A, A/B, H, D, etc and then what that can result in the final product and listening environment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Face View Post
    That would be like me bashing the dCS triple stack without ever hearing it.
    You shouldn't need to hear it because all CD and SACD players sound alike. You should feel free to bash dCS for charging a king's ransom for a player that does not sound any better than what you can get for $299.95 at Best Buy.

    Audiophiles are so gullible.


    By the way, what cables would you recommend using with the $80K dCS Scarlatti CD/SACD system?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarqueKnight View Post

    By the way, what cables would you recommend using with the $80K dCS Scarlatti CD/SACD system?

    I prefer the cables that come out of the box with a 10 buck cd player myself. Just as gear makes no difference, cables make no difference either.
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    Sorry OT,

    H6, could you clean up your inbox. My PM re the tubes is not getting thru. Thanks.

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    I just recommend Emo to a friend who is looking for high powered amps for his 9.1 HT at a low price, but to dismiss any piece of audio equipment or otherwise based on specs and price alone is just silly.

    I was just reading Motor Trend "Best of 2010" yesterday and one of the considerations was how well does it work for it's intended purpose. This is something that many people forget when comparing equipment, but another good consideration is also intended market and buyer. Pass and Emotive know they don't have the same market and I would assume that both are okay with that and both are happy with their products; just as are their buyers.
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    In my opinion everything in this hobby increases at a decreasing rate. That guy obviously has no intentions of traveling up the totem pole of gear and experience things from a different angle.
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