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    Well, if you didn't use that cavernous center console bucket under the arm rest, there's lots of room there to fit a slim-line sub or even a little 6.5" sub.
    You're just jealous 'cause the voices don't talk to you!

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    Ain't that the truth! I have to pull over when I need something out of there cause I can't even reach the bottom!

    I dont want to do a whole lot of hacking though cause I still dont like this car and will be trading it in a year or 2 so I want to be able to return it to stock fairly easy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacLeod View Post
    Ain't that the truth! I have to pull over when I need something out of there cause I can't even reach the bottom!

    I dont want to do a whole lot of hacking though cause I still dont like this car and will be trading it in a year or 2 so I want to be able to return it to stock fairly easy.
    I thought you were the poster boy for Ford though

    Even if you do mod it, if you can make it look like stock again it shouldn't hurt the trade-in value. I wouldn't think they'd be too involved with the inspection, but I could just be showing my ignorance.

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    Nope. Had 2 Fords over the years and both were crap. I get a healthy discount on Ford thru my work so I thought "hell those last Fords were years ago. Surely they're better now". Nope. I'm going back to Honda and never looking back.

    And no, I'm not gonna have to spend 3 days rebuilding crap when I trade this heap in. Everything I do to it will be something I can change back in a few hours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacLeod View Post
    And no, I'm not gonna have to spend 3 days rebuilding crap when I trade this heap in. Everything I do to it will be something I can change back in a few hours.
    That leaves the door open, on doing minor mods. Hence the possibility of only having to cover a couple of 3/8" drill holes for pvc caps, in case the concept doesn't work out.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacLeod View Post
    I'm going back to Honda and never looking back.
    good move.


    What happened to the civic you talked about before? thought u said u were going to trade the accord in for one. I've seen a ton of high quality installs in the 8th gen civics...
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    Gonna wait. Finally got a positive cash flow so don't want a new car payment to put me back to square one. I'll keep this heap another year and pay it down some then trade it in on an Accord or something cheaper like that then trade the wifes in on a Civic for me to play with. By going with 2 cheaper cars instead of one expensive car, our payments should be kinda close.

    Gonna be an uphill battle cause the wife loves her SUV's but this nearly $4/gallon gas is helping my case.
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    I've been trying to convince my wife to sell her Rendezvous since we could get a decent penny for it right now. Its starting to approach 90k IIRC. It's a V6, but if we could get something smaller like an older civic it could help us on both fronts.

    There' something about the new civics that makes me not want to tear them apart. Can't quite put my finger on what it is though.

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    Ah dude, theyre perfect. They've got a big ole area in the A pillar area. It's not hard at all to close that in and stick a 4 and tweeter in there. Then your stock door locations are way low and forward. It's one if the best platforms out right now.
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    How's the season going?

    By the way, MacLeod, I'm curious to know if the people you compete against have been surprised by your success given the fact that your system (at least in the past) was probably much simpler (2-way system with the SR6500, 1 SR124) and probably much cheaper than so many of the other competitor's set ups.

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    Yup. I got made fun of the first couple years I competed for using "Circuit City brand speakers". Wasnt until my 3rd year I didnt hear so much of it.

    My season is on hold right now. I have done one show and I won my class in that but havent done any since. I really REALLY REALLY hate this Ford Edge I have so Im not sure what to do with it. I keep thinking Im gonna buy something like a Honda Civic for myself and give the wife the Edge so Ill wait and put everything in that. Then I say why get another car payment?

    All I have left to do is hook up a 3rd amp for the mids and drill holes in the A pillars (mids are mounted behind them) and wrap them in grill cloth. A good afternoons worth of work but I just cant seem to do it. I do have 2 jobs and a 1.5 year old so I dont have a whole day I can devote to doing it so thats part of why its taking so long.

    Im really starting to Jones for some competitions so I think Ive finally broken down and will keep this stupid Ford for another year so Ill probably finish up the install this weekend.
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    Are the SR 6.5" in?

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    No. Gonna stick with the 5's for now. I really really dont want to hack the door all to pieces just to fit these things in when Im going to be trading this heap in as soon as I can. Hell I went thru the 2007 season with the 5's and did pretty good. Never got dinged for lack of midbass.
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    Well I give up, at least for a while. Im sick and tired of trying to build a competition stereo without taking up any room for groceries and baby stuff. There is no room in this thing for a 3rd amp and not that it would matter cause I really dont want to hack the door all to pieces to reinforce the plastic freaking door panels to fit a decent sized midbass. Not to mention I hate this car and want to get rid of it as soon as possible too.

    So Im gonna take a sabbatical from competition til I can trade the wifes heap in on a Honda Civic or something that I can use and put a stereo in without having to worry about the wifes legroom.

    God this is frustrating. Stuck with a car I hate and one I cant put a stereo in. I need a drink.
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    lol, why did you go with Ford to begin with?? I mean it's not like you got into car audio AFTER you got that car....

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    I let the wife influence me too much. I really loved that Accord I had. Very comfy, fun to drive and built like a brick s**t house. She wanted more room and blah blah blah. Plus I get a fleet discount on Ford thru my work.

    Its not Ford's fault. I could build a bad ass system in this thing if I could utilize all of it. You cant use 3 amps and a processor when it all has to go under the back seat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacLeod View Post
    I need a drink.
    With this week at work...tell me about it! Can't believe Wednesday hasn't even started and it feels like it should be Saturday.

    Oh well, going to the track this weekend to relieve some stress
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    Fun part about Honda is figuring how to get around the ELD... Damn treehuggers.

    http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2873474
    Link shows how to bypass.
    Last edited by Kazimir; 06-15-2011 at 10:27 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacLeod View Post
    Well I give up, at least for a while. Im sick and tired of trying to build a competition stereo without taking up any room for groceries and baby stuff. There is no room in this thing for a 3rd amp and not that it would matter cause I really dont want to hack the door all to pieces to reinforce the plastic freaking door panels to fit a decent sized midbass. Not to mention I hate this car and want to get rid of it as soon as possible too.
    So, if two people bitch about the same thing, would that make it brand bashing?? Guess I shouldn't start.

    Quote Originally Posted by MacLeod View Post
    So Im gonna take a sabbatical from competition til I can trade the wifes heap in on a Honda Civic or something that I can use and put a stereo in without having to worry about the wifes legroom.
    Well, you'd still have to 'heel proof' the solution. But yes, that's much easier than having to dealing with daily reminders on how the SQ install, takes up leg space. Till the day something in the install scratches the said heel. Yeah heel proofing is simpler. Been there, done that not with legroom but equally 'significant' stuff.

    Quote Originally Posted by MacLeod View Post
    God this is frustrating. Stuck with a car I hate and one I cant put a stereo in. I need a drink.
    You really have to try chilled Smirnoff Green Apple.

    Quote Originally Posted by MacLeod View Post
    I let the wife influence me too much. I really loved that Accord I had. Very comfy, fun to drive and built like a brick s**t house. She wanted more room and blah blah blah. Plus I get a fleet discount on Ford thru my work.
    Well as time passes, there's only one way your 'needs' are headed. As someone who's further down the road, I can assure you that my needs today are way south of where they were 10 years ago.


    Quote Originally Posted by MacLeod View Post
    Its not Ford's fault.
    See, I knew it would have been brand bashing.


    Quote Originally Posted by MacLeod View Post
    I could build a bad ass system in this thing if I could utilize all of it. You cant use 3 amps and a processor when it all has to go under the back seat.
    Not worth it if you're going to be pulling everything out down the road. Look at the bright side, you're still active, you have the processor, plenty of clean power and good drivers. Ok, so placement of mids on the Fords sucks. For a change, do it only for yourself.
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    Oh Im not giving up. I still love competitions so Im gonna figure something out. 99% sure it wont be in this ride though so Ill have to get something else. Dont really need another payment but then Ive never been that smart in terms of money.

    I would love to have a Honda Element. Man those things are just BEGGING for a competition level stereo. Theyre girlie as hell but I still want one. They must be made of gold though cause even 4 year old used ones are damn near $20,000!
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    I was talking about while you are on sabbatical. You love it too much to quit .

    Was looking at the Element. I can see why it's a girly car. Lots of space for stuff and kids, with a ton of safety features. Girls are very practical with things they aren't really passionate about. A few things that I think I picked,

    Nice flat dash, not very deep to boot. Can you cut and mod a bit at the tweet location and mount the mids? You can then put the tweets in the pvc thingys and have a vertical array going.

    I think a near vertical windshield will reduce reflections of the glass, given the placement of the mid/tweet. Nice stock placement for the midbass and what looks like deep floor wells. An opportunity to mount the midbass way forward.

    It seems the whole cab has special urethane flooring, so its probably a quiet ride. Fabric seats (I bet the fabric is thick too) to help lessen reflections.

    It comes with a 7 speaker (including sub), 270 watt stereo. Maybe you should just hook up a MS-8

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    Funny, I was just looking at a Honda Element online last night doing research with the wife. It's amazing what you look for in a vehicle once you start having kids and what you get excited about. I was in a friend's minivan one time and thought, "the amount of space in here is awesome"!

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    Tell me the audio gods are not against me. My nice, high dollar optical cable just snapped in two. Was going to mount my H700 under the passenger seat and was snaking the wire thru and had a pretty good clip going. Felt a little tug and SNAP.

    Im sitting here drinking a beer thinking very hard about just going out there and ripping everything out and returning it back to stock.
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    Its all out. Thats gotta be a record. 1 pair of mids, tweets and midbass along with a processor, head unit and 3 amps all out and the stock gear back in within an hour and half.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacLeod View Post
    Tell me the audio gods are not against me..
    Chances are at that point you felt the whole world was against you.

    Quote Originally Posted by MacLeod View Post
    My nice, high dollar optical cable..
    does it carry the 0's and 1's better?

    Quote Originally Posted by MacLeod View Post
    Im sitting here drinking a beer thinking very hard about just going out there and ripping everything out and returning it back to stock.
    I can identify very, very, closely with that reaction

    Quote Originally Posted by MacLeod View Post
    Its all out. Thats gotta be a record. 1 pair of mids, tweets and midbass along with a processor, head unit and 3 amps all out and the stock gear back in within an hour and half.
    Ok, so now you know that you can put it all back in in a couple of hours tops, once the need to do so, strikes you. :tongue:

    Don't think you'll like the stock sound, much. Whenever I'm in any friends car and they crank the sound, my first reation is to turn the damn thing down. The great thing about life is the fact that, 'this too shall pass.'

    The only constant on everything is the swing of the pendulum. You'll be back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arun1963 View Post
    Chances are at that point you felt the whole world was against you.
    No, just the car.....and maybe the engineers at Ford with their plastic door panels.

    does it carry the 0's and 1's better?
    No but it was supposed to be "more durable for the car environment". To be fair, it did last 5 years and thru 3 different cars.

    Don't think you'll like the stock sound, much. Whenever I'm in any friends car and they crank the sound, my first reation is to turn the damn thing down. The great thing about life is the fact that, 'this too shall pass.'

    The only constant on everything is the swing of the pendulum. You'll be back.
    Im not leaving car audio, just this particular car. With everything back to stock itll make it that much easier when I decide to pull into my local Toyota or Honda dealer and trade it out. Plus I wont be driving around wanting to play with the EQ or anything.

    All my gear is out and stacked up on the shelf ready to go for the next car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacLeod View Post
    Plus I wont be driving around wanting to play with the EQ or anything.
    Ok, I have a confession to make. I'm sort of a Jekyll and Hyde persona, while on the road. If the sound is right, then I'm the normal aggressive and somewhat rash, Delhi driver. Other days, I think mostly when I'm hearing better, I'll be the PITA old fart who's doing 30 in a 60 lane and won't get out of the way. Why? cause I'm playing with the 2-5khz range trying to get the top end of the piano to sound right. I'm a pita most of the days.

    Thing is, I know its pointless tuning on the road. For one, I'll never get around all the crap happening and secondly, what ever I come up with, won't work when parked. But its just an insane desire to have 'the' sound right there and then.

    Quote Originally Posted by MacLeod View Post
    All my gear is out and stacked up on the shelf ready to go for the next car.
    I'm sure it will find a home soon.

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    This seems like the right thread to post this in. These processors seem to be getting a lot of love on some of the EU forums as on diyma.

    http://www.extremeaudio.de/gb/helix-...processor.html

    http://www.extremeaudio.de/gb/helix-...processor.html

    C=competition and P=Performance. Just based on specs both units seem like a cut above whats available. Some of the unique features:

    1. 31 band eq per driver, but here's the twist. You get the typical 1/3 octave frequencies, but for each frequency you can fine tune in 1/12-1/24 oct intervals above or below the frequency. So instead of tuning at 1.25khz you can chose 1.35khz. You can cut each frequency in 0.5db steps upto 12db, on q's from 0.05 to 15.

    2. TA is in 7mm steps. That's about 0.27" and 0.02ms. You can delay each driver to 10.5ms

    3. You can adjust the phase on the sub from 0-360 deg's in 22.5 deg increments. Great for keeping the sub connected while delaying the mids and tweets.

    4. Crossover points selectable at 1/12-1/24 oct intervals from 20-20kz. Choice of linkwitz or butterworth filters at 0 to 48db/oct.

    Both versions are expensive though. I figure if I get this now, maybe I'd manage to dial it in before I die. Assuming that it doesn't drive me to insanity before that .

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    Both those links dont work. They sound interesting though. Having essentially a parametric, 1/3 octave EQ would be pretty cool if youre tuning with an RTA.

    If I were in the market though Id be eyeballing the new Apline H800. The H700 was a masterpiece and all you really would ever need so the H800 should be as good.

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    http://www.extremeaudio.de/gb/helix-...processor.html

    http://www.extremeaudio.de/gb/helix-...processor.html

    Hope this works. What I love about this processor is the ability to first choose 31 bands from 256 bands per driver and then set them vs just getting 31 bands at 1/3rd oct. That and the phase correction on the sub. Run the eq on a 0.5 q and you have a graphic eq.

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