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    CSM41, my gear is in my sig but I'll elaborate.

    I use 2 pre-amps. I have the Adcom GFP-750 which is both active and passive at the flip of a switch. I use that for shorter listening sessions and movies, etc. This pre has a processor loop (for HT) that allows me to run the Dared Sl2000A straight through. The processor loop is staight pass through (no degredation) and can be activated by remote or at the pre. This works incredibly well because I don't always have to power the tubes on for music, dvd's or background music. So I have the flexibility of active/passive and tubes. I use Signal Cable Analog II I/C's to connect the Dared thru the processor loop. MIT Terminator II cables from the Adcom pre to the amp.

    My source is (2) pieces, I use a Squeezebox Touch wireless music streamer which I bought an aftermarket linear power supply from Welborne Labs for, since the supplied walwart is a cheap switching power supply. I have all my music ripped in FLAC (lossless) format on a stand alone computer I use only as a music server. The digital output of the Squeezebox is fed into a heavily modded Adcom GDA 600 digital to analog converter via COAX, again Signal Cable Digital Cable. MIT Terminator II cables from the dac to the pre-amp

    My amp is a Pass Labs Aleph 30 single ended Class A amp @ 30wpc. I use the single ended inputs because I think they sound a tad better than the balanced inputs. Speaker cables are MIT Terminator II.

    I have a Marantz DVD player that is hooked to the Adcom DAC via coax and I use that for movies or in a pinch single cd's that I haven't ripped to my music server.

    Speakers are modded Polk Audio SDA 1C's w/ rdo tweeters, Sonicaps and Mills resistors. Power cables are all MIT Z II

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    Saw your post on fb too, Brock. May have to try these later on when funds aren't so tight.

    Rock on!

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    Mike, they are superb. Well worth seeking out.

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    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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    Brock,

    How would these be in a tube based DAC? You have certainly peaked my interest in them.

    Greg

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    Quote Originally Posted by headrott View Post
    Brock,

    How would these be in a tube based DAC? You have certainly peaked my interest in them.

    Greg
    I am sure they would be great!

    There is a guy on Ebay right now selling (6) for $300. Do I hear a group buy?

    I need a mate for my third piece and they appear to be the older style.

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    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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    Quote Originally Posted by heiney9 View Post
    CSM41, my gear is in my sig but I'll elaborate.

    I use 2 pre-amps. I have the Adcom GFP-750 which is both active and passive at the flip of a switch. I use that for shorter listening sessions and movies, etc. This pre has a processor loop (for HT) that allows me to run the Dared Sl2000A straight through. The processor loop is staight pass through (no degredation) and can be activated by remote or at the pre. This works incredibly well because I don't always have to power the tubes on for music, dvd's or background music. So I have the flexibility of active/passive and tubes. I use Signal Cable Analog II I/C's to connect the Dared thru the processor loop. MIT Terminator II cables from the Adcom pre to the amp.

    My source is (2) pieces, I use a Squeezebox Touch wireless music streamer which I bought an aftermarket linear power supply from Welborne Labs for, since the supplied walwart is a cheap switching power supply. I have all my music ripped in FLAC (lossless) format on a stand alone computer I use only as a music server. The digital output of the Squeezebox is fed into a heavily modded Adcom GDA 600 digital to analog converter via COAX, again Signal Cable Digital Cable. MIT Terminator II cables from the dac to the pre-amp

    My amp is a Pass Labs Aleph 30 single ended Class A amp @ 30wpc. I use the single ended inputs because I think they sound a tad better than the balanced inputs. Speaker cables are MIT Terminator II.

    I have a Marantz DVD player that is hooked to the Adcom DAC via coax and I use that for movies or in a pinch single cd's that I haven't ripped to my music server.

    Speakers are modded Polk Audio SDA 1C's w/ rdo tweeters, Sonicaps and Mills resistors. Power cables are all MIT Z II

    H9
    My bad. I missed your sig. Single ended class A says it all. I can see where you get the synergy. Nice gear, but where's your turntable?

    Here's my tweeter amp and pre:


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    Nice!!

    No TT in the mix, maybe someday again.

    For my office rig I have 3 tube integrated amps I swap out occasionally for fun

    Dared VP-16 a 16 wpc 6V6/6SL7 integrated amp. I use 50's RCA gray glass black plate 6V6 power tubes and I have (4) pairs of 6SL7's I roll in and out. 1959 RCA "red base" 5691; 1948 Tung Sol 6SU7GTY brown base; 1954 Sylvania JAN CHS 6SL7WGT tall glass (chrome domes) 1964 Sylvania JAN CHS 6SL7WGT

    Dared MP-5 a 15 wpc hybrid tube integrated. It uses ECC85/6AQ8 for the input and mosfet output. Very neat little amp. I have about 12 different pairs of ECC85/6AQ8 to roll. The Telefunkens and Valvo hamburg sound the best.

    Norh SE9- 9 wpc single ended amp which uses (2) EL34's, (2) 12AX7's and (1) 5AR4 rectifier. I have 5 different pairs of EL34's, 4 different pairs of 12AX7 and the only 5AR4 worth anything is the Mullard and I have (3) of those......for back up

    I have a lot of fun swapping and rolling, etc.

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    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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    You seem to do things the way I do with gear. Experiment , mix, match, always looking for the best synergy of sound. I buy, sell, buy some more, switch, etc...you get the picture. I drive my wife nuts with it. Right now my obsession is with passive bi-amplification. Dared pre to Parasound HCA 1500 to the low end of my snells. I use the Parasound amplifier loop to my tube amp to the Snell's highs. My Dared's other output goes to the powered sub. The inputs go to my TT/phono pre and my GF DAC09 to my CDP.

    Future ops include a squeezebox touch and access to a massive amount of .flac files in my HD. I also just picked up that Brimar you tipped me off on. Good stuff!
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    I do a little experimenting, mostly tube rolling. Not too much gear swapping in the main rig.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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    Quote Originally Posted by heiney9 View Post
    Mike, they are superb. Well worth seeking out.

    H9
    I take your word for that, B. I need to go back and revisit some tubes in my stash, but still enjoying the Valvo/Brimar. I do remember liking those Sylvania, Gold Brand 6201s. Think I lucked out on that pair for 13.00.

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    I've actually had the Telefunken ECC81's in there for quite awhile. They give me the detail I'm looking for and the impressive soundstage. Actually I've been swaping the Valvo 6201's and TFK's.

    These 5965's might become the new permanent tube. Although I do like to roll the others in now and gain for a little change.

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    Once we're a little more financially stable, I may look for a pair of these. Are you using the dampers I sent you to tame the microphonics?

    I really liked those Amperex 7062s I got from Jon awhile back. Some of the best sounding tubes I rolled as I recall. Just couldn't get them to stop howling. Even those RCA 6211s you sent me didn't play well with the Dared. Makes me a little weary of the taller, long plates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heiney9 View Post
    CSM41, my gear is in my sig but I'll elaborate.

    I use 2 pre-amps. I have the Adcom GFP-750 which is both active and passive at the flip of a switch. I use that for shorter listening sessions and movies, etc. This pre has a processor loop (for HT) that allows me to run the Dared Sl2000A straight through. The processor loop is staight pass through (no degredation) and can be activated by remote or at the pre. This works incredibly well because I don't always have to power the tubes on for music, dvd's or background music. So I have the flexibility of active/passive and tubes. I use Signal Cable Analog II I/C's to connect the Dared thru the processor loop. MIT Terminator II cables from the Adcom pre to the amp.

    My source is (2) pieces, I use a Squeezebox Touch wireless music streamer which I bought an aftermarket linear power supply from Welborne Labs for, since the supplied walwart is a cheap switching power supply. I have all my music ripped in FLAC (lossless) format on a stand alone computer I use only as a music server. The digital output of the Squeezebox is fed into a heavily modded Adcom GDA 600 digital to analog converter via COAX, again Signal Cable Digital Cable. MIT Terminator II cables from the dac to the pre-amp

    My amp is a Pass Labs Aleph 30 single ended Class A amp @ 30wpc. I use the single ended inputs because I think they sound a tad better than the balanced inputs. Speaker cables are MIT Terminator II.

    I have a Marantz DVD player that is hooked to the Adcom DAC via coax and I use that for movies or in a pinch single cd's that I haven't ripped to my music server.

    Speakers are modded Polk Audio SDA 1C's w/ rdo tweeters, Sonicaps and Mills resistors. Power cables are all MIT Z II

    H9
    Thanks for the explanation. This was also a question I had looking at your 'newer' signature with the Dared included! Actually, the price for those tubes doesn't seem that bad considering that they'll probably last a while. I just ordered a Jolida 50W x 2 in order to start the journey into tube products, myself (not a bad starter--I've heard a few of their products)--so reading about others' seasoned experiences is helpful. What is it that Ted says....? lol

    Enjoy!

    cnh
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    So Brock, how do you like the tubes??
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    Good to hear that you finished the Adcom.
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    I found this link for the Brimar rectifier.

    http://www.r-type.org/exhib/aaq0024.htm.

    From the picture you posted it looks like you have a black base, not brown as many models available on ebay. Is there writing on the glass or only on the base?

    My new Dared should arrive this weekend. Looking to start with getting this new rectifier and then rolling some of your recommended tubes. Any help or information you could share on these older models would be helpful.

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    From what I've gathered the older Brimar's are black base with writing on the base in orange (reddish) or yellow and they came from a couple different plants. Mine doesn't say Brimar on it, but it is. It's from the STC plant in Footscray. They have an arrow on the base. The military versions have CV1863 on the base. The one's I have are old as in late 40's w/ foil "D" getter and came in old style military packing.

    As they get newer the writing is always on the glass not the base.

    This is a photo around the same manufacturing date of a 6SL7 from the STC Footscray plant and the writing is the same only the base on my 5Z4G is black.

    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outfitter03 View Post
    I found this link for the Brimar rectifier.

    http://www.r-type.org/exhib/aaq0024.htm.

    From the picture you posted it looks like you have a black base, not brown as many models available on ebay. Is there writing on the glass or only on the base?

    My new Dared should arrive this weekend. Looking to start with getting this new rectifier and then rolling some of your recommended tubes. Any help or information you could share on these older models would be helpful.
    I'll give you some suggestions

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    Outlander,

    This is identical to the one's I have.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/Brimar-5Z4G-Valv...item2562ab7b1d
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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    I received that Brimar rectifier in the mail today. Plugged it in and...it does sound as nice as advertised. The funny thing is that the GE rectifier it replaced was no slouch. Anyway, it is breaking in as we speak. My initial impressions are highly favorable. I never realized that a rectifier can make that much of a difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CSM41 View Post
    I never realized that a rectifier can make that much of a difference.
    I was blown away as well once I started rolling different rectifiers. In some instances I believe it has even more effect than the signal tubes. Although changing both the rectifier and signal tubes takes it to an even higher level.

    The thing is there aren't a lot of NOS 5Z4G's to choose from. I've tried all different 5V4G and GT models and they did sound good and I even used the Bendix 6106 (5Y3) and the Brimar by far sounds the best.

    Glad it makes a difference for you.

    In another amp switching from a Sovtek 5AR4 to a Mullard 5AR4 was night and day. The Mullard 5AR4 rectifier is superb, especially the famed f31 coded model.

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    My amp uses 2 Vintage GE 5R4 rectifiers. Got any suggestions on an improvement tube?
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    Glad to hear you've found the sound you're looking for.
    You've had time to put a few hours on them now.
    How are they sounding now? I've been waiting for a follow up after some listening.
    Impressions after some substantial listening time are key for me.
    I'm always impressed by a good looking Tele with all the scripts intact still.
    I do so love a good looking vintage Euro tube.
    NICE!

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    Harry, I have to say the initial impressions are the same. The true test will come when I switch back to my familiar favorite. I had atleast 6-8 really good listening sessions, but now I'm moving so everything is packed up.

    So this means a new listening environment, etc. My impressions may change simply because I will be in a completely different house, although the set-up and location will be similar. I'll keep this thread updated after I get moved and settled.

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    You bought a new van or are you just switching rivers?
    In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by treitz3 View Post
    You bought a new van or are you just switching rivers?
    Lmao - switching rivers :tongue:
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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    I already have my 3 favorite tube types so I wasn't going to spend an arm and a leg to try another type when I was unsure about how it would sound. I finally found a triple for sale here in the US from a seller I felt comfortable dealing withwhat do you use in the rest of your system? I know you have the Dared pre. I ask because IMHO, system/tube synergy makes a difference.

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    This thread got me started searching for a pair of the Telefunken 6201's, but as usual, I got side-tracked in a tube buying trance

    First, I picked up a bunch of my favorite (12AT7 variant) NOS Mullard (Shield Logo) CV4024/M8162 tubes.

    Also, I use 5965's (a 47 mu variant of the 60 mu 12AT7) in a couple spots in my gear and I came across a closely matched pair (125/122 & 127/129 on my rebuilt and calibrated Eico 667) of date-matched Westinghouse 5965's with long gray plates and Gold Pins.

    I paid a ridiculously low price delivered to my front porch so I'm guessing they will sound like a$$, but I couldn't resist gold pins at that price just to try them out.

    Does anyone have any experience with this tube ??
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    H9 - This thread inspired me to pick up my own Dared SL-2000a. I received it today and have been listening to it for the past few hours with my SDA-SRS's. WOW!!! Besides just a general warming/smoothing of the sound, it added an extra amount of bass slam that I wasn't expecting. And that's with the stock tubes that aren't even burned in yet. I look forward to the changes in the coming days and then I'll start some tube rolling!....... Rollin' rollin' rollin', get them tubes a rollin'... Rawhide!....... Sorry, "Blues Brothers" flashback.

    I recently picked up a Yaqin CD-2 tube buffer also. While that made a noticable improvement also, it wasn't as much as the SL-2000a - especially in the bass department. I can only imagine that the SL-2000a (which is 4x the money, btw) will stomp the Yaqin with the right NOS tubes. So, I guess the Yaqin goes to my bedroom rig. The SL-2000a needs to stay downstairs where I listen to music most...

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    Quote Originally Posted by inspiredsports View Post
    This thread got me started searching for a pair of the Telefunken 6201's, but as usual, I got side-tracked in a tube buying trance

    First, I picked up a bunch of my favorite (12AT7 variant) NOS Mullard (Shield Logo) CV4024/M8162 tubes.

    Also, I use 5965's (a 47 mu variant of the 60 mu 12AT7) in a couple spots in my gear and I came across a closely matched pair (125/122 & 127/129 on my rebuilt and calibrated Eico 667) of date-matched Westinghouse 5965's with long gray plates and Gold Pins.

    I paid a ridiculously low price delivered to my front porch so I'm guessing they will sound like a$$, but I couldn't resist gold pins at that price just to try them out.

    Does anyone have any experience with this tube ??
    Never heard of Telefunken 6201's....they made a rare 6211 and a rare 5965. I have other 5965's and the TFK rules.

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    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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