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    Greetings Club Polk, I am very happy to be here!

    So, I'm upgrading the 20 year old system I've had since college (Sony/JBL), but am frankly overwhelmed by all of the choices, matching, and other intangibles that go into selecting a new setup.

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    I live in a large concrete loft, the living area measuring 15' x 30', not counting the connected loft and kitchen areas. The ceilings are 19.5'.

    I really don't care about an Home Theater setup (it will pieced together in time), for now, I'm mainly concerned about the MUSIC, oh the beautiful music. I listen to primarily classical, electro, and jazz.

    SPEAKER SELECTION
    As of right now, I've narrowed my choices to the following: RTI A7, RTI A5, and TSi500. I'm leaning towards to the A5, as it seems to a fantastic value, and the A7 just seems like overkill. I could be wrong, and that's why I'm here. Also, what sub is best paired with it?

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    I don't want to break the bank, and am looking at a solid mid-level unit. As of right now, I am looking at the Denon AVR1911 and the Onkyo SR508 or 608.

    Any and all suggestions are welcome. I don't mind blowing the entire thing up and starting from scratch, I like researching this kind of stuff. I'm feel a bit over my head, so excuse me in advance if I ask any stupid questions. THANK YOU!

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    You could get the RTI A7's from polks ebay store for the retail price of the 5's else ware.

    $760 with free shipping.
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ONE-RTi-A7-RTiA7...item35b0d8c048

    Polk's ebay store is supose to be referbs, but most of the time the product shows up looking bran new. My CSI A4 speaker I bought from them did. Their referbs also carry the full 5 year warrenty.

    Then again you could also get the RTI A5's from polks ebay store and save some cash.
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    I like my 7's and would deffinatly buy them again.
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    If you should decide on the TSI 500, the monitor 70,s are pretty much the same speaker for a lot less money, ck out the polk ebay store,let me put my bias right here first, I have a sony ES5300 and for my bedroom an ES3200, both are outstanding, just an FYI, good luck, have fun!
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    Given my needs, do you think the A5s will sufficiently fill the space? Also, given the space, is the sound difference between the 5 and the 7 that substantial?

    Many thanks, again, any and all advise is much appreciated.

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    If you decide aginst the 70,s go with the RTIA7,s. What ever receiver you get should have pre/outs should you decide to add an amp in the future. ( trust me you will)
    Emotiva XPA5, Sony ES 5300, Lsi 15,s LSIC, Monitor 70,s, ( side surrounds) FXI 3,s, (rear surrounds)Micropro4000, Velodyne DEQ 10, Sony 46 inch XBR 5, Sony BDP 770 Bedroom rig SonyES 3200 RTIA1,s CSIA4 FXI3,s polk PSW 10 SONY 34inch XBR960SONY BDP550

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    If you go with the A5s you'll want a sub to go with them. With the A7s you could get by without a sub (for music) and then add a sub later for HT.
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    I think your right on point. If your able to get A7s instead of A9s your certainly a more stable person than me :( I can't help myself...

    Alternate's for cost saving are the RTi10 which is just like the A7 I believe, but older and maybe older internals, etc.

    The Monitor 70s are great. You can get an exclusively great price from Newegg. But alas, your going for Jazz so I think you may have made good picks already.

    As for what sub, I have a HSU VTF-2 MK3. Its more than enough sub for my room. I'm thinking the room size recommendations on the HSU website are proper. the VTF-1 should be enough for your place, and I think they are on sale now! I agree that if you are getting a sub, the A5s could be an excellent choice. I'd rather have the 7s though just to be safe. OK, there I go again...

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    I would go A7's and FYI eBay store gives you a 2 year warranty, not 5. At least as far as I have heard.
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    I purchased my 70,s two pairs of FXI3,s a pair of RTIA1,s and a Micropro 4000 from the polk ebay store, every one looked like it was brand new, and all of them worked perfectly.
    Emotiva XPA5, Sony ES 5300, Lsi 15,s LSIC, Monitor 70,s, ( side surrounds) FXI 3,s, (rear surrounds)Micropro4000, Velodyne DEQ 10, Sony 46 inch XBR 5, Sony BDP 770 Bedroom rig SonyES 3200 RTIA1,s CSIA4 FXI3,s polk PSW 10 SONY 34inch XBR960SONY BDP550

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    I'd recommend getting the Monitor 70's from Newegg for $180 each. That way, you can put more money into your receiver and even possibly a used amplifier. When you're ready to upgrade for home theater, you can move them to the back as surrounds and get the RTi's for your front speakers.

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    If music is your focus than these are your best bet IMO:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/PAIR-Polk-LSi7-C...item35b0fc01ff

    Should be able to run these off a modest AVR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DTLA View Post
    Greetings Club Polk, I am very happy to be here!

    So, I'm upgrading the 20 year old system I've had since college (Sony/JBL), but am frankly overwhelmed by all of the choices, matching, and other intangibles that go into selecting a new setup.

    BASICS
    I live in a large concrete loft, the living area measuring 15' x 30', not counting the connected loft and kitchen areas. The ceilings are 19.5'.

    I really don't care about an Home Theater setup (it will pieced together in time), for now, I'm mainly concerned about the MUSIC, oh the beautiful music. I listen to primarily classical, electro, and jazz.

    SPEAKER SELECTION
    As of right now, I've narrowed my choices to the following: RTI A7, RTI A5, and TSi500. I'm leaning towards to the A5, as it seems to a fantastic value, and the A7 just seems like overkill. I could be wrong, and that's why I'm here. Also, what sub is best paired with it?

    RECEIVER
    I don't want to break the bank, and am looking at a solid mid-level unit. As of right now, I am looking at the Denon AVR1911 and the Onkyo SR508 or 608.

    Any and all suggestions are welcome. I don't mind blowing the entire thing up and starting from scratch, I like researching this kind of stuff. I'm feel a bit over my head, so excuse me in advance if I ask any stupid questions. THANK YOU!

    Did you have a budget in mind for everything? Do you need to include cabling, equipment rack?

    You say you like to listen to the glorious music (same here) - so do you have sources components already like a turntable or CD or SACD player?

    You mentioned you aren't interested in HT at the moment but then listed some Home Theater AVRs. Do you want to start with an AVR, or maybe start with just a pre/power amp combo, or integrated amp that could be used later as part of an AVR upgrade?

    Or do you have an HDTV/Cable/Satellite setup you need to combine this all into?

    H9: If you don't trust what you are hearing, then maybe you need to be less invested in a hobby which all the pleasure comes from listening to music.

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    I myself would not run LSI speakers froma receiver. My Sony ES is rated for 4 ohms, I purchased an amp BEFORE I upgraded to my LSI front sound stage. That said the LSI7,s are the least demanding of the LSI series.
    Emotiva XPA5, Sony ES 5300, Lsi 15,s LSIC, Monitor 70,s, ( side surrounds) FXI 3,s, (rear surrounds)Micropro4000, Velodyne DEQ 10, Sony 46 inch XBR 5, Sony BDP 770 Bedroom rig SonyES 3200 RTIA1,s CSIA4 FXI3,s polk PSW 10 SONY 34inch XBR960SONY BDP550

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    I think he's talking RTI, not LSI, regardless, if your going to run 5 channels,don't skimp on power too much. Most low to midline receivers power drops considerably in 5 or 7 channel mode.

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    Personally,If I was more interested in music than H/T,I would build myself a two channel set up. I have just got rid of my H/T speakers to do just that. I found a pair of vintage Polk SDA's 2A's and bought a Rotel power amp which I am using with my Pioneer Elite reciever. IMHO this is far superior for listening to music then the RTIA5's I used to have.
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    You can get by without an amp with the RTI series,but like the above post suggests running 5 or7 speakers regardless of the series would benefit from an amp.............................
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    It seems both Erik and Reno recommend going another route if I am interested in music. While HT is a distant second, it would be nice to have that capability, but as I said, I am willing to wait it out.

    From a music perspective, what do you recommend in regards to both a receiver and speakers? Would I really be taking a step down if I were to go down my previously aforementioned route?

    Again, many thanks, I am very new at this.

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    Wait for the LSiM's.

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    Out of your RTi choices of speakers, I would go with the RTi A7?s because of their 3-way design. The RTi A7?s should reproduce the full range of sound with mudding are distorting the because of the crossover network.

    I listened to the RTi A7?s and found them to my liking and brought them home to play nicely with my Pioneer Elite SC-35.

    You need to listen to some speakers setups and make your own choice. You might find that you prefer the sound of the speaker that other people don?t.
    Some people with the most discerning ears will always suggest something more expensive. However, that doesn?t mean that you will not like what you hear for the cheaper speakers. The cheaper line seems to be branded often as the HT speakers. You have to ask yourself whether you can satisfy you audio desires for $1000 or $10000.

    At the $10000 range, the HT speakers would more and likely began at $9000 and the speaker better for music would start at $11000 if you ask some people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DTLA View Post
    It seems both Erik and Reno recommend going another route if I am interested in music. While HT is a distant second, it would be nice to have that capability, but as I said, I am willing to wait it out.

    From a music perspective, what do you recommend in regards to both a receiver and speakers? Would I really be taking a step down if I were to go down my previously aforementioned route?

    Again, many thanks, I am very new at this.
    Harman Kardon is a good choice for very musical amps and receivers. Very warm and natural sounding, with a nice lush mid-range. If musicality is what you're chasing, that's generally the sound quality you should be chasing....which is why the LSi's, which also have a very warm/neutral SQ, are often regarded as the ideal choice for music. A "bright" speaker like the RTi's are less than ideal for music IMO. The high frequencies tend to dominate the sound-stage, which can sound a bit artificial at times, and is very fatiguing at high volumes.

    just my 2 cents!

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    The cheaper line seems to be branded often as the HT speakers. You have to ask yourself whether you can satisfy you audio desires for $1000 or $10000.

    At the $10000 range, the HT speakers would more and likely began at $9000 and the speaker better for music would start at $11000 if you ask some people.
    Not necessarily true. The timbre of the speaker is what dictates whether or not a speaker is more appropriate for HT or Music....not the price. In the end its all very subjective and it hard to make a blanket statement about things when people have different tastes...... but generally a 'brighter' speaker is better for HT, and a 'warmer' speaker is better for music. (RTi=Bright, LSi=Warm).
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    Thank you so much! I will definitely start researching Harman Kardon receivers, as it definitely musicality that I am looking for.

    In regard to the LSi's, they are out of my budget ($1500-2000 for everything). Also, while I think I can sneak a 40-42" tower by my fiance, I will get shot if I lug a 45-49" speaker home. I know it doesn't seem like much of a difference, but seeing it's a struggle to even get them in the door, I really don't want to push it. Don't judge me! :) What other speakers might you suggest besides the RTiA's?

    Again, thank you very much. Keep that advise rolling, I really am taking it all in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DTLA View Post
    Thank you so much! I will definitely start researching Harman Kardon receivers, as it definitely musicality that I am looking for.

    In regard to the LSi's, they are out of my budget ($1500-2000 for everything). Also, while I think I can sneak a 40-42" tower by my fiance, I will get shot if I lug a 45-49" speaker home. I know it doesn't seem like much of a difference, but seeing it's a struggle to even get them in the door, I really don't want to push it. Don't judge me! :) What other speakers might you suggest besides the RTiA's?

    Again, thank you very much. Keep that advise rolling, I really am taking it all in.
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    I think the Monitor 70's for music are worth considering too (full range speaker...not as bright ast the A5's).

    If you do go with the RTi-A's, you absolutely need to go with a warm receiver. The RTi8's off my Onkyo AVR sounded terrible musically (great for HT though). I eventually ran my old RTi8's (practically the same as the RTi-A5's) off an HK amp, and they sounded much better musically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DTLA View Post
    Thank you so much! I will definitely start researching Harman Kardon receivers, as it definitely musicality that I am looking for.

    In regard to the LSi's, they are out of my budget ($1500-2000 for everything). Also, while I think I can sneak a 40-42" tower by my fiance, I will get shot if I lug a 45-49" speaker home. I know it doesn't seem like much of a difference, but seeing it's a struggle to even get them in the door, I really don't want to push it. Don't judge me! :) What other speakers might you suggest besides the RTiA's?

    Again, thank you very much. Keep that advise rolling, I really am taking it all in.
    So, when you say $1500-$2000 for 'everything' - this is your total budget - for your first step in an overall system, right?

    But, I must have missed something in the overall post for what you mean by 'everything'....do you already have source components (turntable, CD, SACD player, cable box, ipod, ???) and you are just looking for a receiver and speakers?

    H9: If you don't trust what you are hearing, then maybe you need to be less invested in a hobby which all the pleasure comes from listening to music.

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    mystik610 - What does warm receiver means? Can you please elaborate more what that means and what describes a receiver is warm from tech specs perspective?

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    Warm for me would be that the highs have more air and not as harsh or sharp

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    Quote Originally Posted by mystik610 View Post
    Not necessarily true. The timbre of the speaker is what dictates whether or not a speaker is more appropriate for HT or Music....not the price. In the end its all very subjective and it hard to make a blanket statement about things when people have different tastes...... but generally a 'brighter' speaker is better for HT, and a 'warmer' speaker is better for music. (RTi=Bright, LSi=Warm).
    My statement is not as blanketed as you say. I repeat, if you ask some people.
    You have a technical reason for your taste. However, there are many who are not that technical no matter what they tell you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mystik610 View Post
    http://cgi.ebay.com/PAIR-Polk-LSi7-C...item35b0fc01ff

    Polk Direct!

    I think the Monitor 70's for music are worth considering too (full range speaker...not as bright ast the A5's).

    If you do go with the RTi-A's, you absolutely need to go with a warm receiver. The RTi8's off my Onkyo AVR sounded terrible musically (great for HT though). I eventually ran my old RTi8's (practically the same as the RTi-A5's) off an HK amp, and they sounded much better musically.
    I also had RTi8's which I orginally ran of a Harman/Kardon AVR 254 that i picked up from Best Buy.

    It did help with the brightness. Then I got a Pio Elite VSX-23 which I felt made the four RTi8's sound great. The Auto Cal adjusted some of the higher freqs lower. It was really well rounded and cause friends to buy every item right off my floor.

    H/K receiver would truly be nice. I would get one with more than the power mine had for more headroom.
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    Erik: Sorry for the ambiguity.

    I have about $1500-2000 to blow on speakers, a receiver, and initially, I was thinking a sub. I am now thinking of just purchasing speakers and a receiver, and building from there.

    Thank you for your help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DTLA View Post
    Erik: Sorry for the ambiguity.

    I have about $1500-2000 to blow on speakers, a receiver, and initially, I was thinking a sub. I am now thinking of just purchasing speakers and a receiver, and building from there.

    Thank you for your help.
    I can't help you with other speakers but you $1500-$2000 could get you a nice RTi A set up.

    Front (L,R) RTi A7
    Rear RTi A3
    Center CSi A6

    Right around $2000 Speaker only.

    Front (L,R) RTi A5
    Rear RTi A1
    CenterCSi A4

    Right around $2000 with $600 left over for a nice reciever.

    This is base off of Crutchfield prices. This is not bad to start off with. You could find some new RTi8 for cheaper than the RTi A5 which are nearly the same and do four of them like I did. It was cost effective and sounded nice. My on guy that rents from me in my house has the setup down stairs right now and everybody loves it.

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    Last edited by SRTer; 03-30-2011 at 08:35 PM. Reason: add more info
    Fronts: Polk RTi A9
    Center: Polk CSI A6
    Rears: Polk RTi A7
    Receiver: Pioneer Elite SC-35 (140 watts x 7)
    Amplifier: Adcom GFA-555 Mk.II (200 watt @ 8 ohms)
    Sub: Polk DSW PRO 500 (10 inch, 200 Watt)
    TV: Samsung 59 inch 3D Plasma 600 Hz PN59D7000
    Sources: Samsung BD-D6700 3D Blu-ray Player, DirecTV, PS3, iPhone 4 and IPod Classic with Apple Lossless Tracks

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    Why not consider the LSi7 with a solid sub? I picked my 7's up for $200 off CL and they were pristine. They are far superior to the RTi line IMO, especially for music. The LSi9 is also a solid contender, but it would be harder to drive. The 7's have no issue running off my receivers and sound great doing so.

    I initially ruled out the LSi's due to the ohm load and their price. Once I got them home, I realized I just couldn't live with the RTi's and would have buyers remorse if I stuck with them. Sent the RTi's back and haven't had one ounce of regret. I've got them running off a Sherwood 4105 ($100 stereo receiver) and they sound great. There is room for improvement, but that will come with more money. I will be picking up an SACD player for less than $50 this weekend, so consider that an LSi 2 channel setup for ~$350.

    The whole point is, I wouldn't rule out the LSi's, especially with your budget. You should be able to get the 7/9 with nice stands, a pre/pro combo, and a nice source for well under budget. You might even be able to find some 15's and still be comfortably within budget. You would have to consider going used/refurb for those though, not sure if that is an option. My opinion is that 99% of the people who will shell out money for higher tier audio equipment will treat them better to protect their investment.

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