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    Was at my UPS box today, the lady who owned the store asked me to relieve her of the LSi 15s that I refused delivery of a month ago. The seller did not want them back, and UPS refused the claim (improper packing). While this was all percolating I purchased a new set, direct from Polk. Hooking the banged up set to my rig, was surprised to find they actually sound a lot better than my new ones. Any suggestions?

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    Bang up the new ones!
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    Sell them to me for dirt cheap?
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    The used ones sound better because they are broken in. Save them for parts or sell them, the ones you bought from Polk will sound that good eventually. Will look better too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by strider View Post
    The used ones sound better because they are broken in. Save them for parts or sell them, the ones you bought from Polk will sound that good eventually. Will look better too.

    LOL.... did you get your money refunded?

    If these are now yours, It is possible to restore the cabinets as I said in your previous thread. The first thing I would do is gut the cabinets and inspect for internal damage. If none is found, I would re-inforce the top corners internally and sand off the finish on the top of the speaker and using a top quality wood filler, patch the damaged areas and shape as needed. The next step would be to use an autobody filler to smooth out and level everything. Then, I would take them to a body shop and have them painted a high gloss black and buffed out to restore the lustre.

    Order the needed replacement bases from Polk, re-install the drivers, and enjoy!
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    I'd likely just gut the cabinets for the drivers, tweeters, x-overs, ect. for future use. Keep the x-overs so if you decide to upgrade them you can just send those away and not have to be out your speakers for a few weeks. Anything you don't think you will want/use I would sell and use that money for upgrades.
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    I wouldn't spend the money to get the cabinets repaired if they are as bad as they sound. Part them out, cut your losses and upgrade the crossovers. The latter is a pain staking ordeal but is worth the time....even if I would never do it again....ever.

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    Having a set of LSi-15's up front and a set for rear surrounds would be worth fixing them up IMHO, but it would depend for me on the conditions found inside the cabinet when you open them up. If the integrity of the inside of the cabinet has been compromised, then I would lean towards parting them out. If things are good inside, fix them and have a set for the rear.

    You could also sell them to me and I will be happy to show them some love.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nooshinjohn View Post
    You could also sell them to me and I will be happy to show them some love.
    And then once finished sell them to me
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willow View Post
    Karma them to Canadian Polkies Only
    Yep That would be the proper thing to do.

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    Did get a full refund, so these are freebies. Considering keeping the damaged goods, sending the new ones back to Polk (only had them ten days) and possibly waiting for the new M's to come out and upgrade. With new bases, a file to smooth the edges and some modeling paint, I could definitely live with these. They sound fantastic.

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    I am not really sure how you got it worked out between you and the seller. If the seller refund you in full and let you keeps them, they are definitely freebies.

    If the seller file a claim and UPS denies it, you have the obligation to return it to the seller provided seller would pay the return shipping fee unless the seller abandon it in your hands, they might not be freebies.

    If the UPS claims denies it and UPS store or whatever store settle the scores with the seller coz it's their fault that they didn't pack it right, you need to release them to the UPS store owner or whoever took responsibility for them if they paid to the seller. They are in legal possession of these speaker and you need to return them or ask them if they would pay for return shipping fees. If the store owner is asking you to release it to them, you need to contact seller and get the permission from her in writing. The seller or the store owner is still the real owner regardless of the speakers are in your hands. They are not freebies till you got the permission from them to keep it to yourself.

    If you are keeping the speakers thinking you got them free coz you got your money back regardless of the seller, UPS and UPS store owner telling you it's free, you might end up regretting it later. Just make sure about it.

    Whatever it is, good luck dealing it the right way.
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    ^ Read his post... "the seller did not want them back"
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    Quote Originally Posted by grimmace19 View Post
    ^ Read his post... "the seller did not want them back"
    Yeah, the store owner is asking them back in Post # 1 if you read it carefully.
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    Seller did not want to pay the $200 bucks to have them shipped back. Think she is cutting her losses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carwashguy View Post
    Seller did not want to pay the $200 bucks to have them shipped back. Think she is cutting her losses.
    I think it's wise to use the speakers like that for now. I wouldn't spend a dime fixing up the cosmetics unless I am really sure they are Freebies and no one is claiming them or come knocking your door for the speakers later.

    And keep the boxes and packaging materials for a while too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by megasat16 View Post
    I think it's wise to use the speakers like that for now. I wouldn't spend a dime fixing up the cosmetics unless I am really sure they are Freebies and no one is claiming them or come knocking your door for the speakers later.

    And keep the boxes and packaging materials for a while too.
    Read his post carefully. He refused delivery, the seller told UPS she did not want to pay to have them shipped back, the seller abandoned them at UPS.

    It was nice of UPS to offer them to him, normally they would just throw them away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WilliamM2 View Post
    Read his post carefully. He refused delivery, the seller told UPS she did not want to pay to have them shipped back, the seller abandoned them at UPS.

    It was nice of UPS to offer them to him, normally they would just throw them away.
    If he refused delivery, how in the world he got them in his hands? UPS wouldn't give it to him if he refuse delivery.

    There are things we don't know clearly or the OP didn't explains the details. The store owner is asking them back from him and UPS also denies the claim which I believe the store owner files with UPS.

    The owner doesn't want them back meaning that the owner is holding the store owner responsible for the damages which of course she is doing it right.

    UPS denies the claim coz the store didn't pack it right. Still, some fine print is missing from the OP post.

    I came across this kind of situation way too many times to understand what is going on there.

    Like I said, he needs to get the permission to keep them in writing and don't spend any coins to fix up anything till he is sure of all parties involved (UPS, UPS Store or whatever store, owner) makes no claim of it in the future.

    I think the OP is happy that the speakers sound good as is and he can use them the way they are now till he is 100% clear of all legal hassles without assumptions.
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    Whatever you chose to do with them, you're one lucky bastard :)

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    Mega, you are trying to read writing that isn't there.

    The original seller had their claim denied because the speakers weren't packed properly.

    Then, they (seller) decided that they weren't worth the 200 to have shipped back.

    Therefore, UPS does not have the rights to the speakers because they DIDN'T pay the claim.

    The speakers were abandoned in the UPS store with no official owner.

    Now, the ups store owner had no use for them and wanted someone to get them out of the store because they were taking up space.

    Now they are in the hands of carwasguy instead of the dump.
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    Grimmace19 has nailed it. The real question is what now. Do I return my new ones? Wait for the new M line? Or Spend a hundred bucks, fix these up a little and enjoy them. Again they sound fantastic.

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    Personally I wouldn't return the ones to polk... it's not their issue that this all happened. If it's an option for money saving, why not sell the "free" ones to someone here on the board to offset the extra money you paid to polk vs. ebay seller? That way everyone wins, you get a great pair of speakers the will sound just the same after they break in a little, someone gets a pair of cheap 15s, and polk doesn't need to eat any cost that isn't their issue.

    Other than that, maybe keep both pairs and use the shady ones for surrounds, or a 2nd system? I know if I had a free pair of LSI's I'd find a home for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grimmace19 View Post
    Mega, you are trying to read writing that isn't there.

    The original seller had their claim denied because the speakers weren't packed properly.

    Then, they (seller) decided that they weren't worth the 200 to have shipped back.

    Therefore, UPS does not have the rights to the speakers because they DIDN'T pay the claim.

    The speakers were abandoned in the UPS store with no official owner.

    Now, the ups store owner had no use for them and wanted someone to get them out of the store because they were taking up space.


    Now they are in the hands of carwasguy instead of the dump.
    May be I am reading the lines that weren't there.

    So, you are saying that the UPS store owner who ships the speakers and the OP must live close by so he can just pickup these speakers back from the store to make room for the store?
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    Mega, I'm not trying to be a jerk but start reading at the 7th word... "the lady who owned the store asked me to relieve her of the LSi 15s"

    I'm more confused by how you are misreading this.
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    Yeah, they are abandoned at the receiving end store, where the OP originally refused delivery, not the shipping end store. That's how I read it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grimmace19 View Post
    Mega, I'm not trying to be a jerk but start reading at the 7th word... "the lady who owned the store asked me to relieve her of the LSi 15s"

    I'm more confused by how you are misreading this.
    I understand. The OP didn't chime in exactly what happened so I am just as confused as you are.

    If he refuses delivery by UPS store but accept the request to pickup from the UPS store, isn't it the same as he is accepting the delivery?

    Quote Originally Posted by seeclear View Post
    Yeah, they are abandoned at the receiving end store, where the OP originally refused delivery, not the shipping end store. That's how I read it.
    Frankly, I worked closely with the logistics manager in my company and we deal with UPS, FedEx and other logistics solution for over 10 years. I never heard UPS store near the receiver end will get involved unless the UPS store is also serving the area for delivery.

    As far as I know, this is what happens normally. If you refuse the deliver, UPS will either return it to shipper or just discard it. If UPS can't reach you during 3 delivery attempts, they will store it at the UPS location near the receiver and contact the receiver to pick it up from them. If the receiver can't be contacted (not denied delivery), the UPS location will just return the package back to shipper or discard them or sell them in the unclaimed or damaged goods auctions.

    That's why I don't exactly understand what the OP said that he refuses the delivery and UPS store owner wants to relieve the LSi15. I am reading more like "release" and not relieve here so it makes sense for the normal UPS routine.
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    To clarify the situation. The speakers were badly damaged in transit. I told UPS and the seller, I am not taking these they are damaged and it is not my problem. Fast forward two weeks. The lady who owns the UPS store that the speakers were delivered to (where I have a personal mailbox and am in daily) said take these speakers. UPS denied any type of claim since the speakers were not properly packaged. They also refused to pay return shipping. The seller also refused to pay to have the speakers shipped back. They are sitting as unwanted cargo at the UPS store. They are in the way and the lady wants them gone. She offers them to me to save having to heave them up into the dumpster. As far as jamming Polk on the return, not necessarily the case. When I bought them was unaware of an upgraded product coming out the next month. I return their property in mint condition and spend twice as much on some new gear. The banged up one would make some nice front wides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carwashguy View Post
    To clarify the situation. The speakers were badly damaged in transit. I told UPS and the seller, I am not taking these they are damaged and it is not my problem. Fast forward two weeks. The lady who owns the UPS store that the speakers were delivered to (where I have a personal mailbox and am in daily) said take these speakers. UPS denied any type of claim since the speakers were not properly packaged. They also refused to pay return shipping. The seller also refused to pay to have the speakers shipped back. They are sitting as unwanted cargo at the UPS store. They are in the way and the lady wants them gone. She offers them to me to save having to heave them up into the dumpster. As far as jamming Polk on the return, not necessarily the case. When I bought them was unaware of an upgraded product coming out the next month. I return their property in mint condition and spend twice as much on some new gear. The banged up one would make some nice front wides.
    more like 3 times the cost on the new ones, assuming you got refurbs from the Polk Ebay Store.
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