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    Default Digital Music with out a CD Player

    I'm tired of having small stacks of CD's all around the house.

    What I want to do is rip all of my CD's to some sort of lossless format and be done with the CDP. I have a PS3 now that I can stream the music on both my laptop and desktop to via Tversity. Unfortunately Tversity doesn't stream certain formats, (lossless) which is annoying.

    I will be purchasing a DAC within the next few months to bring my digital music to the next level.

    So what options do I have? I've heard of people using music servers and that sounds like something I want to set up but I haven't the slightest clue on what that looks like or what are the best devices out there for it.

    Thanks for the help in advance

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    Look for the squeezebox touch thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonicont View Post
    Look for the squeezebox touch thread
    Wow, that thing looks awesome. Upon further research, it looks like that's the product to buy!

    We have the same speakers :) I wish I had your DAC

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    Do yourself a favor & check out SONOS.
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    Hey Phil, you ever look at the modded units they sell ? Doubles the price. You would think a regular unit and a good dac would be the same thing,no?

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    Hey Tony, I've seen & read up on the modded ZP90 but I really don't think I'll take that plung. At least not yet The modded Music Hall tube DAC that I'm still breaking in is just freaking unbelievable. I'm leary of dumping $500 on a digital mod, especially how my system is sounding right now. Don't know if it's worth it.

    But man oh man this Sonos system is simply off the charts amazing. I should have dumped my dinosaur CD spinner a loooooog time ago.
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    +1 for the SB touch - outstanding networked DAC. Lossless thru PC or Windows
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    Phil, I'm still sitting on the fence between the Sonos and squeezebox touch, each has their strengths. My main concern is at least getting cd quality sound. Would you say the sonos has at least a cd quality sound to it ? Have you done any comparisons between your cdp and the Sonos ?

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    While we are on this topic, which is the better unit, the touch or the duet? What advantage does one have over the other?

    thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyb View Post
    Phil, I'm still sitting on the fence between the Sonos and squeezebox touch, each has their strengths. My main concern is at least getting cd quality sound. Would you say the sonos has at least a cd quality sound to it ? Have you done any comparisons between your cdp and the Sonos ?
    Tony, having ripped my CD's (almost done ) to FLAC using dBpoweramp with their Accurate Rip function I can attest to the sound quality. Nothing lost, everything gained. Couple that with my modded Music Hall tube DAC everything sounds spectacular.

    My friend has the SB Touch w/ upgraded power supply & it also sounds fantastic. If you're looking for a one room solution then in my opinion both the Sonos & SB would be equal in their performance. But once you move on & want to add other rooms the Sonos has no equal on the market as of yet. It does cost more but simply performs way above it's price point.

    My wife who by no stretch can operate a remote is in love with it. She has her S5 speaker for the upstairs & her own controller. Keeping the wife happy is always a good thing! It just doesn't get any better then this as far as I'm concerned.
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    I 2nd the Sonos, we became dealers a couple weeks ago so I picked up an S5 for the garage, and 90 for the theater room and will be adding a 120 and a pair of speakers for the bedroom. My wife has her music on her PC and I have mine which we have pulled in both our play lists, we can listen seperately or all together seamlessly and only 1 has to be connected to network.
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    Squeezebox Touch and don't look back. Love mine would never go back to cd's only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heiney9 View Post
    Squeezebox Touch and don't look back. Love mine would never go back to cd's only.

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    SONOS and don't look back. Love mine would never go back to cd's only. Either system is fantastic! My enjoyment of listening to music has grown by leaps & bounds. The amount of quality tunes at your fingertips is staggering. CD's...what the hell are they????
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    Quote Originally Posted by 67jason View Post
    While we are on this topic, which is the better unit, the touch or the duet? What advantage does one have over the other?

    thanks
    I recently got a Touch after some extensive Googling. In a nutshell, from what I have read, the Touch has a better DAC so if you are going to go analog out it would be a better choice. It also probably has the better power supply and better wireless performance. Evidently the Duet can be quirky with wireless performance, but some of that might be network dependent too. There is a huge debate with some saying the Touch sounds much better even using the digital outs, and some wondering if that is bogus or not. The Touch also supports sampling rates up to 24/96, whereas the Duet doesn't support that high of resolution. The Touch also accepts USB input devices whereas the Duet does not. My thought is that if you are going to be ripping CD's to FLAC and/or listening to hi-res recordings and want the highest sound quality available go with the Touch. If you are going to be listening to internet radio/mp3 quality it might not matter. Also depends on the application it will be used for. Critical listening, background music, external DAC into a hi-end system or digital out to a mid-fi HT system, etc. I may leave this Touch in my 2-channel system for listening to my ripped CD's in addition to the fact that it gives me the radio option when I'm on the computer. For the HT system (which I originally bought the Touch for), I may opt for the Duet as what I am mostly interested for in there is internet radio background music, and I can get the Duet for probably $125 less on the used market. However, I just may end up getting a 2nd Touch too ...... it's only money and it isn't going to make or break me
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    Music server computer -> Audio-GD Digital Interface -> DAC -> Amplifier -> all controlled by iPhone Remote app

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    While it may not be practical for the non-tech-savvy, I have moved my music collection to my Ubuntu Server which can easily be configured with a web interface called Webmin. The music is accessible to every computer on the network. (Samba windows shares) Even better I can stream it over the internet, I constantly log-in to the web interface and stream music while on my college campus. I sit in the library on my free time with my Sennheiser HD 280 Pro's steaming my CD collection.

    I rip all my CD's into FLAC and use Foobar2000 as my audio player. It is highly customizable and can be tweaked to add kernel streaming or other bit-precise playback methods. I would use my iPod but due to the size of my lossless music files I cannot fit my collection on my iPod.

    Plus Ubuntu Server doesn't require to much horsepower and you can convert that old outdated computer in your basement into an efficient multimedia server (You can put movies or anything else on there)!

    I'm not gonna lie it did take upwards of 3 hours to setup everything : (
    But I have not had a single issue since! (minus power outages)

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    Are you just using the headphones, or using it with speakers as well?

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    At school I am in a library so naturally I only used closed headphones (so I don't get kicked out)
    At home I have a pair of Polk Audio Monitor 70's hooked up to my computer via Yamaha HTR-5460. I just recently upgraded from cough cough... gateway speakers that shipped with a best buy computer... So naturally I rediscovered my music collection. I ripped everything to FLAC after finding out there are quite a few sounds missing from my mp3s and know I am in love with sound!

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    Heard on NPR that all of the major studios are discontinuing CD production in 2012 - the advent of downloadable music only. Curious, do y'all think "they" (itunes, amazon) will offer music in less compressed forms than 128? I will miss the cds (still have tons of vinyl!) Art work and liner notes raised the level of the experience beyond words. Will the term "lossless" be so arcane its relegated to the Oxford Dictionary only?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiceRoute View Post
    Heard on NPR that all of the major studios are discontinuing CD production in 2012 -?
    You mean just like they said vinyl was dead too ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyb View Post
    You mean just like they said vinyl was dead too ??
    Aren't we all SOL at the end of next year anyway? All the ancient calendars stop at December 2012 or something like that?
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    LOL!! Yeah Rich, except I've been SOL for 2 years now so when the big day comes in 2012 I won't be too disappointed.

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    I noticed something today I never realized before. Apparently both new Oppo Bluray players will decode *.flac files----interesting. Now given they both also have USB connection, kinda makes a feller wonder....

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    How does it manange a music library? If I had to guess (since I haven't looked at it) it's more for convenience of plugging a small, portable device in and not managing a music library. But yes, we are coming a long way in making things accessible and universal. Other than for a vehicle to carry music from the store to my place, the cd is dead to me. Once you can DL lossless files for a reasonable cost, the cd will wither.

    Perhaps not for me because 98% of the music I buy is on used cd's. 'Eff the record companies, I am not paying for a new cd very often. Between Amazon marketplace and the used cd stores I frequent I rarely pay the outrageous price for a "new in the package" cd. I will for artists I really want or a recording I have heard is stellar, but mostly I buy used and rip to FLAC and never look at the cd again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heiney9 View Post
    Perhaps not for me because 98% of the music I buy is on used cd's. 'Eff the record companies, I am not paying for a new cd very often. Between Amazon marketplace and the used cd stores I frequent I rarely pay the outrageous price for a "new in the package" cd. I will for artists I really want or a recording I have heard is stellar, but mostly I buy used and rip to FLAC and never look at the cd again.

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    +1 to that. I was explaining to my son that I don't spend more than about 5-7 dollars for a cd. He almost bit his tongue but blurted out, that's because all of the music you listen to is old. I replied, yes but at least its music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nap View Post
    +1 to that. I was explaining to my son that I don't spend more than about 5-7 dollars for a cd. He almost bit his tongue but blurted out, that's because all of the music you listen to is old. I replied, yes but at least its music.
    Thats where the value of a music service comes into play such as Rhapsody. New songs,old, it's on there for 10 bucks a month. I just save the songs to a sonos playlist, done. No more buying cd's for 2 songs you really want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyb View Post
    Thats where the value of a music service comes into play such as Rhapsody. New songs,old, it's on there for 10 bucks a month.
    Lossless?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueFox View Post
    Lossless?
    No, I don't believe it is. Unless the pay version is different for some of these services.

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    It is 24/96 on the premium service. Shows up that way for me anyway.

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