New guy here > Will this system sound ok?

**Turbota** · 09-24-2003 10:01 AM

First off, since I'm a new guy here, I just want to say hello to everyone.

With that said, I have a question or two.

I used to be into 2 channel audio a long long time ago. Since then, I have sold or given away the Teac A-6300 reel to reel tape deck, the Pioneer CT-F1000 cassette deck, the Pioneer TX-9500 II tuner, the Pioneer HPM 1500 speakers and a set of JBL monitors.

That just left me with 2 items: A Pioneer Spec 1 pre-amp and a Pioneer Spec 4 power-amp.

I then needed speakers and a some kind of music source. So, I have ordered a set of Polk RTi70 fronts, a set of Polk RTi38 rears, a Rava powered subwoofer and a Pioneer DV-563A (CD/DVD/MP3) player.

Just wondering if you knowledgable folks think this will be a worthwhile setup? Again, i'm no expert ...

Ron,

**RuSsMaN** · 09-24-2003 10:28 AM

You're kidding right?

No, it will sound HORRIBLE. Just send them to ME instead.

-R

**faster100** · 09-24-2003 10:48 AM

Gold jerry....

**Turbota** · 09-24-2003 11:01 AM

Well, the reason I was asking is that I was going to sell the Pioneer amps and just order a new 5.1 home theater A/V type setup. That way it would give me surround sound (which 2 channel won't produce).

Anyway, I was told that the new A/V systems won't sound as good as 2 channel audio if just playing music (ie: CDs). I found that hard to believe since I have heard surround sound, and it was really nice.

Well, I gave up on the idea of the 5.1 system because about the only thing I watch on TV anymore is CNN. And you certainly don't need 6 speaker system for that.

So, back to my question. Just wanted to know if combining the speaker set-up I just ordered and the older Pioneer amps will make for good music, or should I have gone a different route. I can tell you this, I picked out the Polk RTi70 speakers mainly for there looks and afordability, however, Polk has allways produced quality speakers in the past.

Again, I am NOT an audio expert, to say the least.

Thanks for any input,
Ron

**Turbota** · 09-24-2003 11:09 AM

BTW, since both the front and rear speakers are Polks, I was going to purchase a Polk 404 powered sub, however, I was told that the Rava powered subwoofer would be a better choice at the same price as the 404 ($399)

I haven't taken delivery of any of these speakers yet.

Ron,
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**tryrrthg** · 09-24-2003 11:15 AM

looks good to me!

does the pioneer have four channels? just wondering why you ordered surround sound speakers if you're mainly interested in 2 channel...

the rava is a GREAT sub from everything I've read. I'm sure it's better than the 404. The Shiva driver in the rava is a great driver for the money!

**RuSsMaN** · 09-24-2003 11:15 AM

The Spec series from Pioneer will certainly bring PLENTY of coin on the used market. If I had them, I would do whatever it took to hang onto them. They aren't *real* common on the market, most people won't part with em'.

The whole receiver topic is HUGE. I suggest a post with your budget, and wants (5.1, 7.1, etc) and the guys can start narrowing the playing field.

You don't HAVE to spend a ton, to have a GREAT sounding HT. I say don't even hook up the 38's right now, just run the 70's off the Spec gear. The preamp should have 2 sets of pre-outs, you can use one to send a signal to the Rava.

Nutshelled, go 2.1 now with the GREAT gear you already have. Start pricing receivers, find what you want, save accordingly and most importantly - KEEP THE PIONEER RIG. I have a feeling once the HT rig is done - you'll start looking at 2ch again.

Cheers,
Russ

**Turbota** · 09-24-2003 11:27 AM

Thanks for the replys.

As far as the Spec amps, I guess they are 2 channel. I just bought a pair of 70s and a pair of 38s so I could have both front and rears.

A long time ago, I powered the front HPM 1500s and the rear JBLs with this amp. It sounded better to me having front and rear speakers vs just 2 front speakers. That why I ordered the 4 Polks this time around. BTW, the Spec 4 power amp does have terminals in the back for 4 speakers (Front Lft & Rt / Rear Lft & Rt)

As far as the subwoofer, I was told I could also use it with the others, but as of right now, I don't have a clue as how to wire that extra sub woofer up. I will have to cross that bridge when I get to it.

**Turbota** · 09-24-2003 11:36 AM

Poor picture, but as you may be able to see, the back of the Spec 1 pre-amp has lots of speaker wire connections. I am at work right now, so I can't look at the amps, but maybe the sub can be hooked up to those extra 4 terminals on the far left. The power amp has the same number of terminals of course.

I just pulled this pic off the web.

**organ** · 09-24-2003 03:47 PM

Very nice stuff there Ron! How many w/ch is that amp?

Maurice

**dorokusai** · 09-24-2003 04:41 PM

Looks like some great vintage gear, keep it, and make a nice 2CH setup.

**Turbota** · 09-24-2003 04:59 PM

Thanks ...

It'150 w per channel

**TroyD** · 09-24-2003 06:03 PM

OK, Ima call dibs should our boy here decide to part with the Pioneer gear......

As far as wiring up your sub, I would run your speaker wires (L+R) to your sub, then out from the sub to the RTi70's. Set the crossover on the sub to wherever you like it (probably in the 50-80hz range) and go from there.

Man, that gear makes my pants go CRAZY

Welcome to the forum.

BDT

**RuSsMaN** · 09-24-2003 06:05 PM

I've already got dibs you fat ****.

**Turbota** · 09-24-2003 06:40 PM

You guys are like a bunch of hungry Hyenas ! :D

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**TroyD** · 09-25-2003 06:23 AM

Originally posted by RuSsMaN
I've already got dibs you fat ****.

Hey, don't get pissed just because I beat you to it......it's over, deal with it.

BDT

**steveinaz** · 10-01-2003 12:07 PM

You guys and your "subs" (kidding). With great vintage equipment like that, why buy a sub? Especially for an "audio" system. Subs are evil (flamesuit, on). Your Polk's will provide you with deep, distortion free, realistic bass notes.

I can maybe see a sub-woofer with a home theater set-up, but not with an audio setup intended for music listening. Spend that money and upgrade something else in the system.

I dunno, maybe its just me--but I've never liked the artificial emphasis on bass that sub-woofers provide in most cases. Sure, properly set-up and with judicious use, they can enhance the experience; but most people "over-use" the sub-woofer, or don't place it properly in the room to minimize bloat.

**F1nut** · 10-01-2003 01:22 PM

ED ZACHARY!

I'm beginning to like this guy.

**Tour2ma** · 10-01-2003 06:46 PM

Ed or Steve?

**RuSsMaN** · 10-01-2003 06:56 PM

ME tinglefutz, ME.

**dorokusai** · 10-01-2003 07:05 PM

I hope to have a subwoofer some day that will make **** shoot out of my ass like a Taco Bell thunderbolt.

**Tour2ma** · 10-01-2003 07:10 PM

Originally posted by RuSsMaN
ME tinglefutz, ME.

U "tinglefutz"???

**RuSsMaN** · 10-01-2003 08:02 PM

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Feel the need for a real bowel-mover there Doro?

No I meant 'ME tinglefutz (tour), me'

**dorokusai** · 10-01-2003 10:05 PM

Russ - Yep, I want to make a huge subwoofer disguised as my HT room sofa. Remove the fold out bed, and create a box....damn I was joking, but now I am excited ;)

**bdaley6509** · 10-02-2003 01:29 PM

Just do what I did....
Buy a pair of Polk SDA SRS 1.2tl's....
There........problem solved. In fact....all problems......solved.

**Tour2ma** · 12-07-2003 12:52 AM

Is this the true 411 on the Spec 2? Carver designed? On loan from Crown?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...category=39783

**George Grand** · 12-07-2003 08:08 AM

AGAIN I'm with F1. Ditch the sub idea and stay with full range speakers (REAL full range).

I'm not buying into the Carver designed Spec product.

George Grand (of the Jersey Grand's)

**Tour2ma** · 12-08-2003 04:46 PM

Agree GG... sounded funny and looked like a photoshop job in the ad...

I e-mailed the seller to see if he can offer any added info...

**Tour2ma** · 12-09-2003 06:15 PM

Here's the Q&A...

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> Hello. I was not aware Carver was ever involved in Pioneer amp designs.
> The spec 2's were around the time he worked for Phase Linear... yes?
> Do you have any info or links that state his involvement? PLease don't
> take question as a chellenge of your ad, I'm just an audio history novice
> trying to learn a bit..
> Thanks,
> --------------------
> Hi, this info came from an extremely reliable source.Richard
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Well I guess that confirms it...

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