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    Default Need help BAD, first system

    hey all,

    I am putting together my first audio system ever for my room and it is fun but also very confusing. (Itll be 2.1)

    I bought polk audio monitor 30 series II bookshelf speakers for my room and also a Polk Audio PSW10 subwoofer. I have a Denon AVR-2800 receiver.

    I am hooking my sub and speakers by "speaker level" connection.
    My front LEFT/RIGHT go into the sub's speaker OUT, and the sub's speaker IN is connected to my receiver's speaker OUT.
    The reason why I did this is because of the stupidest reason ever. I bought this receiver used and it doesnt' have a remote. There's no replacement remotes unless I want to spend $100 which is very expensive and I could just get another receiver, and I tried a universal remote from Logitech Harmony and it doesn't work. Basically, I NEED the original remote for 1 freaking button, "System SETUP". This will allow me to turn subwoofer to "Yes" and change my speaker size to "Small" so I can use the receiver's subwoofer out/LFE out port. But since I don't have a remote, it's stuck on "Large speakers" and subwoofer "NO". So I need to connect everything with what they call "speaker level" connection.

    It's just for my room and my room is not that big. My question is, can I bi-wire my Polk Monitor 30 speakers to my sub's speaker OUT connections like I would to my receiver (if I didn't have a sub to connect)? Or should I just stick with a traditional connection?

    Since I can't get into LFE mode, I may be willing to spend at MAX $100 to bypass this ridiculous issue by getting another amp, or some pre/pro amp and use the receiver with "external IN" mode. Anyone have any suggestions?

    Any help appreciated...

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    That stinks. I'm surprised the Harmony didn't work.

    I don't think you can bi-wire, but I'd stick with the traditional connection regardless.
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    Did you try looking up remote codes for the harmony that are for that receiver? Welcome to club polk. If I had a faster intrnet connection I'd look it up for you...sorry I don't
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    Quote Originally Posted by dudeinaroom View Post
    Did you try looking up remote codes for the harmony that are for that receiver? Welcome to club polk. If I had a faster intrnet connection I'd look it up for you...sorry I don't
    Yeah, i kind fixed some of the problem. Well most. The harmony has the Denon AVR-2800 in the database so basic things like volume, power, input, etc. that kind of stuff works. However, it doesn't have System setup which is the 1 freaking button I need. lol
    I'm not sure if there are certain "codes" that you can program into the Harmony but if so, that could be hopeful.

    But to address the subwoofer connection, I just went with a speaker level connection. I figured this receiver is not going to let me change the settings to allow for the subOUT to work so I hooked it up by connecting speaker wires from the receiverOUT to the speakerIN (on the sub) and connecting both Polk monitor 30s to the speakerOUT on the sub.
    When I did this, the sound was really bad. It was not fully there very muffled and bassy. Completely different than when I had them connected bi-wire to my receiver without the sub. I tried changing the connection on the Monitor 30 speakers to the bottom ones (there top L/R and then there's bottom L/R) and I realized what it was. I read somewhere that the top connections are for the tweeters and highs and the bottom is for the bass. It seems like a traditional single connection for these speakers don't work well. I mean, if that sound passes as good then there's a problem. But I took a gamble and did the same bi-wire connection I had done between the receiver/speakers onto the new connections between the speakers and the speaker-subOUT. and what do you know? Freaking amazing sound. With bass. :) Me happy.

    Wish I had the ability to mess with the bass and treble and whatnot through the receiver but oh well.

    The other issue is that the volume is pretty loud. Even at -60db which is the lowest my receiver goes to, it's nothing that's whisper quiet. Can't play games at that level at night. Probably because the double amplification?

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    look on Ebay for a original remote.. i bet you find one there..

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    haha $100!
    damnnnnn
    lol thanks

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    I've found some "replacement" remotes that at least have the button you are looking for. Think it was $50-60? Let me know if you were interested.

    Also, not sure if you said you still had the harmony or not, but check out www.remotecentral.com - this is the Club Polk of remotes. lol
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    Got it to work! Complete!!!

    thanks for the help.

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    good deal
    Speakers:SDA2a, sub:Atlantic Technologies 172 PBM
    Pre:B&K PRO-10MC(2ch)
    Amps:Parasound HCA 1000a
    SourcesOppo DV-970HD, Xbox360, Kenwood KT-5300
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    all my Denon remotes have worked on all my recent (manufactured within the last ten years) receivers and even one I repaired for a customer a few weeks back. When you get a few dollars go buy a new denon, use its remote and fix your setup, even better use the remote to program the menu function on a new universal,and return the unit. lastly in my living room I have a cheaper AR universal remote from bestbuy and it performs every function on my Denon, not the highest quality remote and eats batteries every 10 days, but it is an option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by detroitHOOLIGAN View Post
    When you get a few dollars go buy a new denon, use its remote and .... return the unit.
    No wonder why we can't return anything without a restocking fee, or buy an open box without missing all kinds of accessories.
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    Screen name says it all. I know I used to live down there and you could not pay me to move back.
    Speakers:SDA2a, sub:Atlantic Technologies 172 PBM
    Pre:B&K PRO-10MC(2ch)
    Amps:Parasound HCA 1000a
    SourcesOppo DV-970HD, Xbox360, Kenwood KT-5300
    Cables:Philips/RCA/Monster

    Life's short, Listen to SDA's
    Life is short live Sui Juris
    Where did SOPA go?

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