The remains be it ashes or whatever deserve better than a landfill.
The commanding officer and all involved should be ashamed of themselves.
I guess I just wouldn't characterize this as "disrespect" in a "horrible manner", and it goes without saying everyone can have an opinion. I just wish ALL the facts were presented, rather than a brief sensationalized bit that uses emotion to stir the masses. People have enough to worry about without this crap.
I agree, a simple ceremony would have been easy. For all we know, there may have been a ceremony prior to the disposal of the medical waste. I can't see our military being as callous as you are assuming.
No, the appropriate action would be along the lines that I envisioned for those responsible for the Walter Reed Hospital "Let "Em Care for Themselves" disgrace: High noon, middle of Pennsylvania Aveneu, blindfold (if they wish), and a firing squad.
Bad, good, or indifferent on the police actions in the Middle East, those who went and came home in a body bag or urn deserve better than a GD dump.
Nobody to claim the body/ashes ? Then GD treat them with twice the respect.
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nooshinjohn , sorry for my offensive post, but I stand by it. Get over it please, you don't have a lock on patriotism, we all know what is meant by what happened.
Huh? Wot?? Dig it :tongue:
Where can I get me some??
I proudly served my country, and so did others that post here on our forum. I think that what was done to these cremated remains shows the disrespect for those that did sacrifice themselves, for the freedom we all enjoy today. I think that anyone that was part of this decision, should put on the uniform and do a tour of duty over there and see what its all about, could'nt they have buried them in Arlington. Shame on those that made this decision.
The impact of this "dumping" is not upon the dead; it's upon the living. How many members of the military have learned of this practice and have come away feeling "disposable"? Even one would be too many. How many vets feel pain at the thought of fallen comrades having been literally thrown out with garbage? It seems we have some here in this thread. How many potential recruits for our all volunteer military were on the fence, but have now decided, "F*** it"?
It's easy to say how much we honor the military... how we value their service... and say "Thank you for your service", but where the rubber meets the road are actions, deeds. And while there are deeds a plenty that back up the words, they are often small scale, under publicized efforts. All it takes is one headline misdeed to negate the lot of them.
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So, I guess to some of you, that cemetaries should just go away and dump everyone into the trash heap when they die ? I might be over reaching with that statement, but if you can't understand what the outcry is about over this, then you don't understand why we have cemetaries to begin with.
I find it somewhat disturbing that we have a single unknown soldiers grave under 24 hour guard, while others be it if only just parts, are dumped in landfills. Call it what you will, medical waste, whatever, is it so much to ask that all parts of those who serve be buried together ? Cremate the parts but at least put them all together in a single plot.
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And I stand by my analogy.
I don't care much about where the remains should be dumped, but our policy got to be of constant values. If we followed Islamic law to deal with Osama Bin Laden's body, why couldn't we deal with our soldiers' cremated remains by the American value? We have always given the fallen plenty of respect, so do the same for our soldiers who didn't have any relative or their relatives ignored them. After all, they're the one who sacrificed their lives to protect America.
This is just a lazy act, there's no way to argue for it.
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Actually, you are right on that one, I really don't get the point of cemeteries. The body that you are "honoring" there is just that, a body and nothing more. It is no longer the person you knew when they were alive.Words of wisdom.A dead body is just an empty vessel, it is no longer the person.
I am PRETTY sure everyone understands the concept.
The main reason they exist is that people show more respect for their loved ones than you do.
I find flowers on my mothers grave routinely that I have no idea of their origin.
Shows she earned the respect of others besides her family members.
You will never know in life the people you have touched.
That is determined after death.
Wow, that's a hell of an assumption. First, you don't know me, so you have no idea just how much respect I show towards my loved ones. I simply choose to show them respect while they are alive so that they can actually accept it and appreciate it. Second, this kind of comment shows your lack of respect for others who simply have an opinion that differs from your own.The main reason they exist is that people show more respect for their loved ones than you do.
I couldn't disagree more. If people can't, or don't, show you how much they care for and respect you while you're alive, then it is pointless to do so after death. Besides, once you're dead, you may never know of their after death honors.You will never know in life the people you have touched.
That is determined after death.
Keiko NAILED it!People like you just don't get it and never will.
Most here have the right idea. Just a little respect would have gone a long way. No matter if it is just a "part" or ashes they should be treated with respect. Hell, most here would lose their mind if someone for no other reason than to be an ass knocked off your equipment onto the floor and it broke into bits and pieces. Why would it matter, it's not mine, why should I care. For those of you that have the, 'I could care less attitude' pm me your address so I can come over and randomly throw away your bits and pieces of gear into the dump after I smash it all over your GD floor. Then maybe you will understand.
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Everyone, from the OIC on down to the butterbars, associated with this, should be given a GD, and their VA benefits revoked.
And, IF, it's found out, that this was solely a civilian gaff, then those people should be fired, and whatever union pension $$$ they WERE entitled to, should be donated to the DAV, VFW, WWP, etc.
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I have absolutely no idea what that has to do with the topic at hand.Hell, most here would lose their mind if someone for no other reason than to be an ass knocked off your equipment onto the floor and it broke into bits and pieces. Why would it matter, it's not mine, why should I care. For those of you that have the, 'I could care less attitude' pm me your address so I can come over and randomly throw away your bits and pieces of gear into the dump after I smash it all over your GD floor. Then maybe you will understand.
Bottom line in ethics. If what you do today ends up on the front page next day
how do you think it would go over?
If everybody looked at things like that, crap like this wouldn't happen. I understand
it was body pieces and their families had passed on dealing with it. I also understand
that most likely there wasn't much money to deal with it. But just a little thinking
would have made this a non-issue. Too many pass on doing the right thing for
taking the path of least resistance. I don't give a crap what happens to my body after death
But just a little respect would be nice. And I plan to do the same for any one else's remains.
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Regardless of the stance on what your body is after you perish, the disposal of the remains could have been handled better and with more respect to all the parties involved. If even one family has some serious faith issues, then it should be respected.
I don't believe in god or any of that crap but I most certainly wouldn't disrespect the wishes or just general compassion of ensuring that the remains of a loved one wasn't at the very least, taken to something other than a landfill. I'm not quite sure how someone who doesn't care about the body or afterlife would be so cold and unfeeling of others, regardless of your position.
I'm being burned like a Viking when I move on to whatever place it is, or to nothing at all....means absolutely nothing to me aside from I'd like to be on a pire, as all warriors should be. After that, party on folks, its on me....no fee at the door and bar is open.
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Well, if ya don't mind passing on alittle early Mark....I am kinda thirsty.
I smell a get together!After that, party on folks, its on me....no fee at the door and bar is open.
I'll bring the cables!
However, after I'm dead, if no one else claims my audio gear, you have my full permission to come and destroy it; I'd be dead, and wouldn't care.
That being said, the article gave the impression that the family members did not want anything to do with the dead bodies. So, if the families didn't care, then I'm not so sure it would be considered as disrespecting the living. However, that all depends on how accurate the article actually is; we all know that the media likes to sensationalize things.
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That's nice, because quite frankly, I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire nor give 2 s#!ts about it, jerkyboy.Me? No, I wouldn't care. However, I suspect that the persons other living relatives would care, in which case, you would be disrespecting the living.
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