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    Ripping a BluRay that you've purchased for your own use is not legal? Why not? I thought Congress passed a law that says you can rip anything as long as you're not distributing it?
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    As you can see from below, the HDtracks 96/24 version of Hotel California is inferior (imho) to my old CD. Why? Heavily compressed, the song Hotel California had a Dynamic Range of 15 on my old CD but 10 on the new HDtracks version. As you can also see the HDtracks version is a bad case of the "loudness war", i.e. it is a lot louder (people will interpret that is punchier and clearer) and heavily clipped/distorted. HDtracks claims no knowledge about the products they sell.

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    Analyzed: Eagles / Hotel California
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    DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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    DR15 -2.48 dB -20.88 dB 6:32 01-Hotel California
    DR13 -3.64 dB -20.10 dB 5:05 02-New Kid in Town
    DR15 -1.10 dB -19.42 dB 4:47 03-Life in the Fast Lane
    DR13 -5.56 dB -23.03 dB 4:55 04-Wasted Time
    DR11 -8.73 dB -26.29 dB 1:24 05-Wasted Time (Reprise)
    DR13 -4.82 dB -21.04 dB 4:10 06-Victim of Love
    DR15 -5.47 dB -25.32 dB 3:59 07-Pretty Maids All in a Row
    DR13 -4.03 dB -20.54 dB 5:12 08-Try and Love Again
    DR13 -3.28 dB -21.88 dB 7:27 09-The Last Resort
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    Number of tracks: 9
    Official DR value: DR14

    Samplerate: 44100 Hz
    Channels: 2
    Bits per sample: 16
    Bitrate: 779 kbps
    Codec: WMA
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    log date: 2012-11-19 14:10:11

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    Analyzed: Eagles / Hotel California
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    DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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    DR10 0.00 dB -11.95 dB 6:31 01-Hotel California
    DR9 0.00 dB -11.30 dB 5:04 02-New Kid In Town
    DR9 0.00 dB -10.85 dB 4:46 03-Life In The Fast Lane
    DR10 0.00 dB -13.67 dB 4:55 04-Wasted Time
    DR11 -0.80 dB -17.14 dB 1:24 05-Wasted Time: Reprise
    DR8 0.00 dB -10.46 dB 4:10 06-Victim Of Love
    DR12 0.00 dB -14.91 dB 3:59 07-Pretty Maids All In A Row
    DR9 0.00 dB -11.06 dB 5:10 08-Try And Love Again
    DR9 0.00 dB -13.35 dB 7:32 09-The Last Resort
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    Number of tracks: 9
    Official DR value: DR10

    Samplerate: 96000 Hz
    Channels: 2
    Bits per sample: 24
    Bitrate: 2666 kbps
    Codec: FLAC

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    Here's a nice comparison between the Deftones new release on CD and hi res.

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    Boy that site is definitely a gathering of audio junkies who can't spell of speak English
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    Quote Originally Posted by AsSiMiLaTeD View Post
    Given the choice between a blu ray audio disc which I can not (legally anyway) rip and a digital download that I can copy to any of my devices and play in any room in my house at, say, $15 and $20 respectively I'll fladly pay the extra $5 for the digital download.

    I would do the same for a CD. If iTunes would sell lossless CD quality versions of their music I'd be all over that, and would gladly pay an extra couple bucks per CD for that convenience. As it stands, they sell compressed garbage and haven't seen a dime of my money.
    Thats something I was hoping they would do years ago when they where talking about Itunes Plus. When I learned it was only 256k , I was very disappointed. They could easily offer High rez files of all their music if available. They are the online Giants of music and should off this. I feel they are missing out on the pennies spent on others sites like HD Tracks.
    Yeah I know they have over 100 Billion in the bank cash on hand but why not add to it with something many of us would buy? Also Charge for a Itunes upgrade to a Auto Switching out over the Midi controls , this is something Automator could do pretty easily. I could write it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nspindel View Post
    Ripping a BluRay that you've purchased for your own use is not legal? Why not? I thought Congress passed a law that says you can rip anything as long as you're not distributing it?
    This is kind of a murky area, but from my understanding you likely have the right to rip a blu ray for your own use. Congress has said very little on the issue except that it is illegal to make and distribute software that defeats the copyright protections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nspindel View Post
    Boy that site is definitely a gathering of audio junkies who can't spell of speak English
    Maybe because it's not their first language.
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    So it is better to bu CD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mantis View Post
    Thats something I was hoping they would do years ago when they where talking about Itunes Plus. When I learned it was only 256k , I was very disappointed. They could easily offer High rez files of all their music if available. They are the online Giants of music and should off this. I feel they are missing out on the pennies spent on others sites like HD Tracks.
    Yeah I know they have over 100 Billion in the bank cash on hand but why not add to it with something many of us would buy? Also Charge for a Itunes upgrade to a Auto Switching out over the Midi controls , this is something Automator could do pretty easily. I could write it.
    Agreed on all, I've never spent a dime in iTunes, and I'm an apple guy these days. Forget about hi Rez, if they just gave me lossless cd quality I'd very likely buy all my music there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sagasa View Post
    So it is better to bu CD.
    Not necessarily. The example above that Face posted (#63), would be a case where you would not want to buy the CD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tbone289 View Post
    Not necessarily. The example above that Face posted (#63), would be a case where you would not want to buy the CD.
    The issue is, how do make the decision?

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    As you can see from below, the HDtracks 96/24 version of Hotel California is inferior (imho) to my old CD.
    so no the cd version would be better

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    Hello!
    Sorry for my poor english but i'm not french.

    For information a good vinyl rip can't exceed 20 000 Herz because the bandwith of vinyl and even CD is between 20 and 20 000 Herz !

    More info :
    http://www.bhmag.fr/tests-dossiers/s...finition-13193

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    sorry : i'm french

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    The music industry is parasitic in nature, similarly politics is parasitic in nature. Apparently it is too much to expect honor and integrity from parasites.

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    I personally haven't fallen for the hype as I am perfectly happy with my 192kbps or 320kbps bitrate files.

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    You're missing out on a lot if that's your preference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nspindel View Post
    Ripping a BluRay that you've purchased for your own use is not legal? Why not? I thought Congress passed a law that says you can rip anything as long as you're not distributing it?
    My understanding is the ripping is not illegal, its the breaking of the encryption you must do first in order to rip and play the data on the BluRay that is illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AsSiMiLaTeD View Post
    We should start compiling a list of poor recordings over at HDTracks. I've bought several good albums from them, but have bought a couple poor recordings as well. I'll start the crap list with the following 2, both are 24/96 and both are (still) very poor recordings.

    Nirvana - Nevermind
    Metallica - Metallica
    Firstly iam very pleased to have discovered this article by "nspindel" i had been troubled by the quality of much of the music i have been listening too and having spent a fair few quid on a half decent desktop system was wondering what was going wrong.
    the more detail you can reveal just increases the problem of shoddy recordings.
    Coming to Metallica - Metallica i iam shocked you find this to be a poor recording, i believe this to be one of the best i have.
    After reading nspindel's post i went and downloaded Audacity to start analysing my own music files reassuring was the fact the waveform/clipping and frequency chart all backed up what my ears were telling me, lots of recordings (or at least what is available to download is poor)
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    Would be great to hear from you and see what you or others think, would truly like to get a better understanding of all this.and hope that as more and more people realise that the quality of the music they are buying is not the best that can be delivered we can call for a change to be made and get to enjoy the music as it should be.
    Finally i wish i had never given up on vinyl, i enjoyed music the most when i spun the black stuff.

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    Seems if HDTracks and others had a simple user review for downloaded songs that could solve a lot of headache.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inspector 24 View Post
    Seems if HDTracks and others had a simple user review for downloaded songs that could solve a lot of headache.
    Would be very helpful, here are some lists out there but most are short and i rarely see music that interests me.

    Sad thing is there must be some great recordings out there but its finding them and also the quality should have been there before

    someone started jiggering about with it.

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    Spin the 33 1/3

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    Playing devils advocate here and a different thread but don't vinyl recordings have their own issues? Ie who and when released the album, how it was mastered, quality of the pressing etcetera??

    I'm reminded of the recent Beatles re-releases where several commented on how the original vinyl sounded better.
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    I do the same, on the average $1 a piece.

    I agree they should have a quality rating system stating what it is and what to expect considering the sources that had to be used or was available. It's like copying a VHS using blue-ray the source is as good as you are going to get.

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    I buy mostly used cd's so I'm not out that much when I am disappointed in the recording.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inspector 24 View Post
    Playing devils advocate here and a different thread but don't vinyl recordings have their own issues? Ie who and when released the album, how it was mastered, quality of the pressing etcetera??

    I'm reminded of the recent Beatles re-releases where several commented on how the original vinyl sounded better.
    Sure do, what format doesn't ? Quality of a recording in any format isn't guaranteed. Pays to pay attention to some reviews before plunking down the coin.

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    Yeah, but with CDs or vinyl I can at least slip it to get some of my money back, can't do that with HDTracks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AsSiMiLaTeD View Post
    Yeah, but with CDs or vinyl I can at least slip it to get some of my money back, can't do that with HDTracks.
    Good point....and very true which is why physical media still has it's worth.

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    Why can't I sell my HD Tracks. I have some albums that costs $20 for the 24/96Khz version. Nothing stopping me from selling that and simply removing it from my collection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Habanero Monk View Post
    Why can't I sell my HD Tracks. I have some albums that costs $20 for the 24/96Khz version. Nothing stopping me from selling that and simply removing it from my collection.
    Read the EULA from HDTracks, while I haven't read it myself I'm sure it'll say something to the effect that you can't sell your copies...
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    Quote Originally Posted by AsSiMiLaTeD View Post
    Read the EULA from HDTracks, while I haven't read it myself I'm sure it'll say something to the effect that you can't sell your copies...
    HD tracks doesn't setup the sale as a license. There is nothing in their Terms and Conditions about license for use. You own the track. I generally won't enter into a license other than the obvious one of copyright that applies to any purchase anyways.
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