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    Update:

    Ok, we're off and running again. Blueboxer has the cables and will get an extra week to allow the cables to fully burn in before his official demo time begins. He should ship on or about 3/22/12 to the next person.
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    Blueboxer has the cables and will get an extra week to allow the cables to fully burn in before his official demo time begins.
    If he tests with his iPod and Wadia 170 iTransport I sold him we should get a great review.

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    I'm glad I bought these cables.... God Bless you all.
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    Jesse,

    I did get the update and alternate address. I apologize for the delay in responding, but this is for first coherent moment in a couple days. I couldn't even be released until I took IV fluids to rehydrate myself. I should be out of bed late tomorrow or hopefully Thursday at the latest.

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    Cleaned out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doctor r View Post
    If you have not listened to these cables yet and qualify for this demo GET ON THE LIST! These cables were impressive in what they brought to my system. They will demonstrate what changing cables will do for your system even if you do not necessarily believe it is what you want at this time. There is no denying there will be a change. Any cable naysayer will be hard pressed to go through this demo and not have to eat a little crow.
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    First, let me apologize for using a fairly modest system to test out these cables, which may be disproportionately expensive for the system I am currently running. I tried to get a Wyred4Sound DAC and STI1000 in time for the review, but that did not work out. However, I think the DAC, preamp, and speakers involved are sufficient to be able to hear a difference if one is indeed present when switching cables. Secondly, I will admit to leaning slightly to the naysayers of speaker cable philosophy in the sense that thru the assorted cables I have used historically, I don’t recall ever having a watershed moment or miraculous breakthrough in performance. However, an opportunity to try some very highly regarded and fairly expensive cables via this demo could not and should not be passed. Thus, here we go…

    Equipment:
    iNova integrated (Sabre DAC, ipod dock, tube preamp, and stereo amp)
    Pioneer Elite SC-35 (used with Wadia dock as well as ipod directly connected)
    Polk LSi15
    Def Tech Mythos ST
    Wadia i170 transport (used with Pioneer Elite SC-35 only)

    Listening Room:
    20x20 room
    Speakers were approximately 8 ft apart, 3 ft from wall
    Listening position was approximately 6 ft. from speakers

    Speaker Cables Used in Demo:
    Monster XP cable with monster nanners.
    MIT EXP1 cables with MIT nanners.
    MIT Shotgun S3.3 with MIT nanners.

    Again, not the most impressive system, but I really am looking for a simplified system after dealing with components in the past and all the various interconnects that go along with it. It was a battle of finding the perfect combinations and resisting the urge to try another one of the myriad combinations of cables and components. I have thoroughly enjoyed the lack of a need to store and fumble with CD’s and everything else and after the Wyred4Sound upgrade I will probably call it fin. Apologize for that tangent.

    My listening material was a playlist of some of my favorite songs as well as those that I always enjoy listening for that extra detail, decay, or emotion that another piece of the puzzle may add. The list is as follows:

    John Mayer- Gravity
    Anouk- Lost
    Aaron Robinson- The Elephant
    Warren Zevon- Keep Me in Your Heart
    Adele- Don’t You Remember

    And then a few hours of mixes of Jack Johnson, B.O.B., Morgan Paige, etc… for non-critical listening.

    Methodology:
    I spent the first week of casual listening to help burn in the relatively new cables. Never really looking or taking notes. After the first week I would spend about 45 min. listening to each of the above referenced cables and then switching to another cable. At this point I was listening for subtle differences and preferences, which there definitely were. I took turns listening to the cables via the iNova and also the wadia and SC-35. On the last weekend I set aside time with the better half to really just sit down and listen to only the playlist as it ran thru one set of speaker cables at a time, and then did so again and again to really ensure that there was consistency in my thoughts and preferences. This process was completed for both sets of speakers listed above, but in the end I elected to spend all this listening time on the iNova.

    Results:
    In order of performance and preference:

    1. S3.3
    2. EXP
    3. Monster

    S3.3 Pros-
    Build quality is substantial
    Nanners and all connections yield solid hookups
    Sound is very detailed, with great separation of vocals and instruments
    Bass is solid and there was a reduction in the boominess (especially with the LSi15’s)
    The sound was neutral to me, which is a good thing IMO

    S3.3 Negatives-
    Cost for some
    The cables are substantial so tight fits and angles could be an issue for some
    They will make you doubt your current cables

    Conclusion:
    The Shotgun S3.3 were consistently my favorite cable, by a great difference in reference to the monster cables and less so with the other MIT cables. Returning to the monster cables always seemed to produce a veiled or muffled sound, however a couple friends who were present during the time actually preferred this sound and thought the bass seemed louder (to me it was boomier). Going to the MIT cables always seemed to produce more separation and detail with the S3.3 adding that extra level of rightness. Interestingly, the improvements seemed to be more marked and obvious with the Polks than with the Def Techs. I was actually hoping the S3.3 would add a touch of warmth to the Mythos, but I didn’t detect any.

    However, the MIT’s definitely improved the overall presentation of all of the music and songs. Was the improvement proportional to the cost difference? No, but there is always the law of diminishing return, and it definitely plays a part in this example as well. Would I recommend spending the difference? Absolutely, so long as your finances permit it, I would purchase a pair or at least a used pair. Could you live with a lower line of MIT’s such as the EXP lineup or perhaps an equal Audioquest, Cardas, etc. offering? Again, my answer would be absolutely, but we could also all live with driving a Honda Civic as well.

    I know that this doesn’t necessarily offer any clear conclusion, but most things in life aren’t. I will say that I am no longer a naysayer of cables, but still conscious of the law of diminishing return that would have to be associated with them. That rate of diminishment would also probably defer and not be as steep with a system that was more proportional to these cables. Personally, I will be looking on for a pair of these cables to keep as my own. Could I live without them? Yes, but why should anyone live without something that they enjoy and find worthwhile.

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    I would like to have a crack at these. Powers that be let me know what I need to do.

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    Thanks for the review.
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    Very well presented. Thank you.
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    You guys are very welcomed, but most of the thanks should go to Jesse and Gavin for getting this going again. High end cables can be like purchasing a car without a test drive, it can be a little scary, but getting a change to really get a feel for them first helps ease the mind.

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    Recieved the cables Friday. Currently have 3 IC's for my fronts + center and the speaker cables on my 15's.......

    I wont say much since I have only 2 days of time on them...... but HOLY $HIT! LOTR Marathon on blu ray, FLAC via my computer...... yeah this demo was more than likely a bad idea for my wallet......

    Quick example of something I haven't heard before - LORT Fellowship of the Ring - when Frodo drops the ring in the snow and its picked up, I can HEAR the tink of the ring on the chain as it moves around......

    Hoping to get a couple folks together next week to listen to them to get their thoughts as well.....

    P.S. This is NOT my full review, just am friggin LOVING THESE CABLES... now back to the movie...
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    Thumbs up Silverfrost demo complete!

    I slightly cringe at the thought of "publishing" an audio equipment review. I have worked hard to avoid using the words "veil" or "black," and I only suspect I know what is meant by "air," "microdynamics," and other terms I've read by listeners more seasoned (and more confident in sharing their opinions) than I. Please bear with me.

    Equipment disclosure: My 'normal' setup: Marantz DV-9500 universal player, which sends digital out to an Adcom GDA-600 DAC via coax (I alternate between a River Cable DigiFlex Gold cable and a Transparent Audio Premium digital cable). NAD 1700 pre-tuna, NAD 2600A amplifier, Polk Audio RTA-11TL speakers with RD0-198 tweeters and crossovers modded with Sonicaps (tweeter) and Dayton (MW) caps and Mills resistors. From DAC to pre I use MAC Reference ICs (palladium conductors), from pre to amp I've got MIT EXP-1. My speaker cables are River Cable StarFlex SPX. I also listen to some vinyl on a vintage Pioneer PL-610, which feeds a Cambridge Audio 640p phono preamp.

    As the father of two boys, newly minted as 9- and 6-year olds, much of my dreams of audiophilia must be tempered. As my 'listening room' is also the 'only TV room,' and 'main family hang-out room,' I can't quite set up my speakers out into the room as I might like. There's a low (7 foot) ceiling and an open stairwell that probably throws things out of balance, but all in all I've been reasonably pleased with the sound I've been able to get.

    My most recent addition was the Adcom DAC, bought from local Polkie daboyz (thanks Dave!), and it definitely brought me to a better place than I was previously--More "space", quieter background, greater clarity and separation, more low-volume weight/slam to bass notes.

    I received my package of MIT goodness and inserted the S3.3 ICs between my DAC and pre, and between the pre and amp (after hunting down my NAD literature to get the correct input impedances for each--not used to having to having swiches on ICs!). The S3.3 speaker cables were installed with some small difficulty: My rack is off to the side, and the 10ft length was only sufficient after I turned the amp sideways in the rack, and I couldn't feed the cable behind my shelves like I can with my 5-meter RiverCables. Had a heart-to-heart with my boys about what awful things would happen to Daddy's stereo, and to his children, if the speaker wires were messed with in any way, shape, or form.

    I wasn't immediately overwhelmed with an enormous difference in sound. I attribute this to two things: 1) I don't personally have the ears or the listening experience to immediately and definitively ID all changes due to equipment swaps. This has been true for me for various source, cable, and other changes in the past. 2) The interconnects were in need of some burn-in. Blueboxer didn't require them in his review (and he was the first since the AVT's became Shotgun S3.3's), and they arrived still sealed in plastic, almost like I had purchased them myself... Anyway, I left music going whether I was listening or not for the better part of two days, then was able to listen for an hour or three most evenings.

    After a week or so I was very aware of how much I was enjoying my music. Listening largely to my most familiar CDs and SACDs, it seemed that the MITs further enhanced many of the things that I had already been noting as improvements upon adding my DAC: increased sense of spaciousness, quietness of background, and enhanced bass weight and impact. Something that was apparently new due to the cables was that I was much more aware of the texture of acoustic and electric bass and guitar, giving an enhanced sense of realism and good detail in presenting the vibrato, subtle string bending or bowing. My sense was that I was simply getting more auditory information, rather than just hearing "the note."

    My hearing is quite suspect in the upper registers, so I won't be the best source for noting what's happening in the upper treble, but I was suitably impressed with the way that cymbals sounded--quite realistic, good shimmer, and they were neither emaphasized nor subdued compared to other frequencies in the mix.

    My curiosity was piqued about how I would perceive the difference upon removing the cables and going back to my normal setup, but I let that wait until it was time to move them along to EndersShadow. Returning to my more pedestrian cables proved to be more dramatic than putting the MITs in was--I was quite aware of a narrowing of the soundfield, the individual instruments didn't stand out as distinctly, I didn't feel quite as involved as I had during the demo. It doesn't sound "bad," but I'm distinctly aware that I'm not getting what I had with the MITs in system. A week later, I'm somewhat less aware of the difference, but my audio memory is good enough that I won't forget about my time with the S3.3s.

    In summary, I really enjoyed my time with the MIT demo package that's working its way around the country to the Polkies that have signed up for the program. They clearly took my mid-fi system and made it sound like...better mid-fi. I can honestly say that my modest rig has never sounded as good as it did with the MITs in place. Will I end up buying some? Perhaps some day. I hope to try out a tubed preamp of some variety first, and I've got most of my parts in hand to do the Fred/George Daniel/Brock modding of the Adcom DAC, which I'm hoping will make a significant improvement. If you're fence-sitting about getting in line for this program, I'd recommend you do so. It was a lot of fun and helped remind me that there are things I can do to make my listening even more enjoyable than it already is.

    A special thanks to MIT for making this demo possible and to Jesse, who has graciously offered to (herd cats) help keep the production rolling along.

    Happy listening.

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    Great review!

    Thanks for sharing and taking the time for that review.

    I've taken to a somewhat similar evaluation of cabling and also source material such as standard issue CDs, remastered CDs, or SACDs by not just doing a single comparison but A/B/A and B/A/B. Sometimes 'going back' can be more informative/revealing than just the one time A to B.

    Anyway.....love reading the reviews! Thanks!

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    Great review Jay
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    I love how music can brighten up a bad day.

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    Jay makes a good point in his review. Sometimes you get so used to your rigs sound, that you don't notice the changes in SQ until you remove something from the chain. Adding new gear/cables, then listening for a few weeks, really becomes more noticeable once it's taken back out. Nice review Jay, I forsee the kids manning a few garage sales this summer for dads MIT fund.

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    Default EndersShadow MIT Shotgun S3.3 Demo Review

    I would like to thank the folks at MIT and F1Nut for making this demo possible. Attached is my review from my 2 week demo period. Enjoy!
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    Great review!

    Thanks for posting that ES.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drenis View Post
    Great review!

    Thanks for posting that ES.
    No problem. I was extremely blessed to be a part of the demo. It was something like a year and a half in the making lol......
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    Very nice reviews. Thanks
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    Cables are in my possession and hooked up as of about an hour ago. Listening to a few things now. I'll keep comments to myself until my trial period is over. I plan to meet up with allen the SDA hoarder sometime soon and try them in his system as well. The more unbiased I can be with actually telling the cables apart the better.
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    So here's my very un-official, inexperienced review. My demo just ended with the cables going to Grimmace next, as seen in the post above. My equipment list in my sig is still accurate. My speaker cables today are homemade Monoprice 12 gauge with Nakamichi nanners at both ends. Interconnects between the SC07 and Rotel amp are (embassarringly) a bundled set of video component cables (red, blue, green. These may be Monster, but there"s no brand markings and I bought them way too long ago to remember) and another set of bundled no name cables (very low grade). In earlier tests I did prove that the video component cables have a better sound than the other no name IC cables, so the video component cable set is used for L-C-R. There was a definite sound difference to the front sound stage when I swapped the component cables in. The other cables are used for the surrounds.

    OK, so now that the stage is set, let's get to the MIT's. First, these are some serious cables. One of the earlier reviews referred to the speaker cables as garden hoses, and that description is very accurate. Considering my cheap homemade cables, these things are a semi-trailer truck compared to a Smart car. I first installed the IC's and played my usual comparative song track on the old Sherwood TT, Hotel California, and noted an improvement in the sound quality/sharpness. However, once I swapped in the speaker cables too, the improvement in sound quality was much more noticeable. Not a night/day, slap in yo face difference, but just noticeable improved sound quality. Bass was tighter, highs were crisper. Symbols lingered on longer, guitar strumming was heard better, voices were more clear, etc.

    Over the next two weeks, I also watched as many movies as possible with some of my favorite HT demo scenes like Terminator Salvation opening credits and initial scenes, Incredible Hulk university attack (with the sonic cannons), etc. Sound was definitely more clear and concise all around.

    I was very anxious for this test of my low end cables vs. high end. Truly an opposite ends of the spectrum comparison. Don't know if I'll ever get around to spending $2000 on cables, but this demo has definitely proven to me that cables do make a difference (not an attempt to start another debate, just expressing my opinion based on the demo). Going back to my current setup was not disappointing, but definitely motivates me to make improvements to keep pushing the quality level. Thanks again to Jesse and MIT for this opportunity!!!
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    Nice review. Cables do provide incremental changes in one's system and some improvements can be found for less than the $2,000 the MIT set would cost (though they are an excellent choice).
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    Good review. Thanks for sharing.
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    Warning: The following review may be controversial to some members of the forum.

    To begin my review I want to lay out exactly what's in my system and how it's hooked up. This will allow a better understanding of the swaps I did with the cables and the comparisons I was able to make.

    Polk LSI15s, LSIC, LSI9's for my 5 channels.
    Emotiva UMC-1
    Adcom 5802 for the L+R and a GFA 7500 running the center and rears
    Marantz dv-9500 sacd player w/ 5.1 output
    Squeezebox touch

    The interconnects for the amps are MIT Terminator 2 cables with the grey ribbed boxes. I also have them connecting my marantz player in 5.1 direct mode.
    My squeezebox is hooked up with Transparent "The Link 200" cables.
    My speaker cables for the fronts are MIT Terminator 2 bi-wired cables. Grey with the ribbed boxes and tech flex (one of the newest versions if I'm not mistaken).

    To begin, unboxing these monsters was exciting. I have been waiting to demo these for a LONG time and when I was just about to get the last pair, I moved myself to the back of the list because I was going to be on vacation when I was due to get them. It worked out in the long run because I got to test these instead. The one minor change I had to make in my rig was to put the brass plates back into the binding posts to use the single ended cables instead of my current bi-wire cables. I hooked up a pair of interconnects first to my squeezebox and played some different music through Spotify and thought I heard "some" change. Nothing really stood out to where the change came from but overall it seemed the music "might" have sounded a little better. The next step was to get the speaker cables into the mix. When introducing these I noticed nothing. I played the same tracks as earlier through the squeezebox and didn't hear any change. I believe this was likely due to the limited SQ of the spotify stream. Even though I pay for the service and get the higher quality stream, I realize it is still limited in it's quality.

    Now for the serious comparison. I took one pair of interconnects and hooked them up to my 5802 and into the emotiva. I took the other pair and hooked them up from my marantz player into the emotiva, and of course kept the speaker cables hooked up. The nice thing about my player is that it outputs the same signal in both the 5.1 outputs and the stereo rca connections at the same time! All I need to do to switch the signal is change inputs on the emotiva which goes very quickly so there is only a slight delay in the signal when it switches interconnects.

    My music selection varied for the testing and included:
    Wish you were here on SACD
    Dark side of the moon SACD
    Sea Change by Beck regular cd
    Dave Matthews - Crash regular cd
    Beatles Love on DVD-a and regular cd (double pack)
    O.A.R. - Risen regular cd

    I definitely listened to more as my two weeks went on, but these selections were the main ones during the main listening session after first hookup. I have heard all of these albums dozens of times and am more than familiar with all of them.

    My first impression to everything when using the input that used all the interconnects and speaker cables at the same time was that I didn't notice ANYTHING. Though the sound was pleasant, I really like what I have for a system but, couldn't notice a thing. After trying and trying to hear something, nothing stood out any more than before. After a run through of some key songs on those albums, I began doing a swap of inputs where it would take the interconnects out of play that were going from the player into the emotiva. I switched back and forth trying to see if I could hear anything between the Terminators and the Shotguns, again I was stumped and disappointed. No changes were noticed on any tracks in any way by me.

    A lot of people have said that they notice the change after the cables were in their system for a while but I am sad to report that I didn't notice any positive or negative changes in my system as my two weeks went on. I watched about 10 movies throughout the demo period and didn't pick up on anything either.

    Now, because I was disappointed to not hear any changes (or didn't think I did) I unplugged all the Shotguns from my system this afternoon and went back to exactly as things were before they arrived at my house. I again unfortunately was left disappointed that everything still sounded the same. I suppose this is a bitter-sweet realization however that in my rig with my gear, better cables don't seem to offer improvements for me.

    I am still definitely a cable believer however. The improvements I noticed going from my audioquest g-snake cables when I first started to the MIT's I run now was tremendous with my wife and a few friends saying they could also tell it sounded better. This was an amazing opportunity to demo these cables for just the cost of shipping. I'm glad I participated for such a low price of admission. However, I wouldn't upgrade my current cables for anything further up the totem pole with the gear I have in play. Thanks to everyone at MIT and Jesse for making things like this happen here.


    OMG I JUST REALIZED MY ISSUE!!!! I HAVE AN EMOTIVA PRODUCT, NO WONDER I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING AS IT ALL SOUNDS LIKE CRAP TO BEGIN WITH!
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    I am a cable believer but I also believe that there are levels of cables that fit levels of gear. Let me put it this way, there is no way I would put shotguns in my HT rig as I know it would be overkill and I wouldn't notice any improvements. IMO it would be a waste of money. Terminators fit the bill or AudioQuest type 4's work nicely as well.

    In my 2 channel rig Shotguns all day everyday for me, also what I like best is they will fit the bill for the most part for any level of gear as I move up the food chain and for the most part I never have to look at upgrading my cables or interconnects for the level of gear I will ever run..


    I have one question Nick, did you set the impedance switch's on the interconnects to match your gear? I'm sure you did but thought I would ask..


    I also believe in synergy when it comes to gear and cables. As it has been said many times here and it took me some time to learn is that there are so many variables in audio and many different flavors in everything audio. Tweaking and room treatments have givin me the most pleasure to the sounds my ears hear today. I am very happy with my rig but I will always be tweaking ;-)

    Nick,

    I'm glad you gave an honest opinion and glad you got the chance to try them. Nobody said they would be the be all end all (IMO they are close though LOL!!) I would say though as you keep moving up the food chain and your rig becomes more transparent with each move that you give them another shot..


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    Quote Originally Posted by Toolfan66 View Post
    I have one question Nick, did you set the impedance switch's on the interconnects to match your gear? I'm sure you did but thought I would ask..
    That is a good question. I experimented one night with my S1.3 XLR ICs and each time I set the switch to the wrong value the soundstage collapsed, and the sound became dense, for lack of a better word. The correct setting does matter.

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    Nick I am honestly NOT surprised you didnt hear much of a difference considering your running MIT cables already and transparent cables as well (very similar sound to MIT). Your probably much more accustomed to their sound and your cables are pretty close to their level of performance if I remember correctly based on where they were in the old MIT lineup.

    For me the biggest difference was NOT in the IC's but rather in the speaker cables since I didnt have MIT speaker cables. You already had MIT speaker cables, so you are familiar with their sound.

    I personally appreciate your honesty. There is room for everyones opinion when it comes to cables, provided you have actual experiences to reference rather than just something you read online once
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    Quote Originally Posted by EndersShadow View Post
    Nick I am honestly NOT surprised you didnt hear much of a difference considering your running MIT cables already and transparent cables as well (very similar sound to MIT). Your probably much more accustomed to their sound and your cables are pretty close to their level of performance if I remember correctly based on where they were in the old MIT lineup.

    For me the biggest difference was NOT in the IC's but rather in the speaker cables since I didnt have MIT speaker cables. You already had MIT speaker cables, so you are familiar with their sound.

    I personally appreciate your honesty. There is room for everyones opinion when it comes to cables, provided you have actual experiences to reference rather than just something you read online once

    Good points as well..
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    I did toggle the impedance a few times throughout the week with the same results. I figured (maybe a bad assumption) that it wouldn't matter much in regards to the changes. Maybe I wasn't listening "critically" enough to tell what happened with them. All in all, I am sure they are top notch cables, but you also need pretty top notch stuff to run them with.

    Larry, I can attest to the magic of your system and understand that you likely did notice a huge improvement when adding those into the mix. As for me, I'm starting a quest that will hopefully end in a pair of kef reference 201/2's in the next year or so provided things go smoothly in my life. Maybe then the shotguns will matter for me. As for now, the review speaks for itself.
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