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    Default Just 24k more years......

    And it will be safe.
    26 years ago this month.

    Chernobyl.

    Still leaking, and no money to fix it.
    It basically bankrupted the USSR.
    18 BILLION RUBLES.
    And that was just to encase it in concrete.

    On the brightside, in just 24,000 more years you could move back in.






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    Can't wait until we get the truth about Japan's radiation status.
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    Remember kids, vodka and nuclear energy don't mix!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Face View Post
    Can't wait until we get the truth about Japan's radiation status.
    Tell me about it. It changes every week, and when they discover more to it they down play it. One of those things where they go " Oops we forgot to mention that part of the story."
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    Yeah, but think of all the neat new animals that will come from that place. I'm still waiting for Godzilla to emerge.

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    Maybe in Japan the sharks will now glow neon at night. At least you'll be able to see them comming in the dark.

    The russians really turned that one into a cluster f#$k. I'm waiting for one to happen in Europe or even right here at home. They tell you they are prepared, but are they, really ? With budget cuts and all, one has to wonder as they sure won't volunteer that information.

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    Maybe Godzilla will pay a visit?
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    There was a test reactor accident in 1961 where a sticky control rod caused a problem.
    They applied more force, and it suddenly came unstuck. It popped up, creating a surge
    and the rod then launched out and impaled a worker in the ceiling of the enclosure.
    The only good news is that they learned a lot about what to do and what not to do.
    Same with three mile island. Our accidents weren't as big. But they sure could of been.
    There are no minor screw ups when it comes to power plants.
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    Inherent conflict: Maximize profits vs. maximum safety.

    The thing that I have a big problem with is no one has worked out what to do with spent fuel rods. Why would anyone want them in their back yard!

    No matter how many scenarios the owner/operators prepare for, they can't prepare for combination of problems.
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    Still sad to think about those weeks surrounding the accident.

    All the lives lost to stop it, all the lives lost from lack of communication and cover up. The really bad thing was holding May Day celebrations in towns where the radiation was thousands of times the normal dose. They call them the Parade of Death.
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    They stepped up.
    These guys gave their lives to improve the situation.
    They feared for the safety of others, and knew something had to be done.
    They gave their lives for humanity.
    Fearful of what would happen, they knew it needed to be done, period, it had to be done!
    At the time of this video, the reactor was extremely close to detonating the largest nuclear explosion in history (100 more powerful than Hiroshima).
    They stepped up, and stopped that from happening.
    Called the "Second Stalingrad" they had 40 seconds to work on this roof at a time.
    They had the nickname of "BioRobots" because actual "robots" would not hold up on the roof of the reactor, they have all since passed with most in the first month.

    A deadly does of radiation is 7 R's.
    The roof you see them on was measured at over 1000 (10k in some spots).
    You have to give them credit, they pretty much saved the world from "Total Catastrophe".
    It is said that if the molten reactor had exploded, Europe would have been uninhabitable for 10k years.
    The reactor itself will be EXTREMELY radioactive for 100k years.
    Trucks that where used in this cleanup, to this day (26 years later) would kill a person within 2 hours, just standing beside them.
    This catastrophe had the majority of the world (except India) sign a nuclear armaments dismantlement.
    After seeing this, the world wanted nothing to do with nuclear explosives.
    As far away as France was affected.


    It will never be forgotten.
    Nor should these people that gave their lives to make it better.

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    Nice post Pep, except they should of had those in charge up on that roof. Why is it those in charge walk away to enjoy their lives while the common man needs to sacrifice his own for their mistakes and poor planning ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe08867 View Post
    Still sad to think about those weeks surrounding the accident.

    All the lives lost to stop it, all the lives lost from lack of communication and cover up. The really bad thing was holding May Day celebrations in towns where the radiation was thousands of times the normal dose. They call them the Parade of Death.
    Absolutely!
    Unbelievable that they went through with that!
    Gorbachev insisted as to not alarm the people.
    Many, many thousands where inhaling doses that where fatal eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyb View Post
    Nice post Pep, except they should of had those in charge up on that roof. Why is it those in charge walk away to enjoy their lives while the common man needs to sacrifice his own for their mistakes and poor planning ?
    Well Tony, if it had not been for the USSR trying to cover it up, it would not have been as bad as it was.
    It took them 3 days to even admit it, then at the cost of the largest nuclear explosion in history, they decided to come clean.
    There were a couple of top officials that committed suicide not long after finally admitting the incident based solely on trying to cover it up.
    They had basically had it, and knew in this situation that it could effect "mankind", which eventually it did.
    It still is not known, through Belorussia, ect. the total destruction it has caused.
    And the sad thing is, it may be another 26 years before it is known!
    I cannot think of a larger disaster on this planet.
    The effects of which our great, great, great grandchildren will hear/and know about.
    It will never be forgotten by mankind, simply because it may take 50,000 years before the effects are not felt!

    Thanks to the bravery of the Russian spirit, it was maintained, best it could be, and FAR better than the worst Scenario.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyb View Post
    Nice post Pep, except they should of had those in charge up on that roof. Why is it those in charge walk away to enjoy their lives while the common man needs to sacrifice his own for their mistakes and poor planning ?
    The people "on sight" that were in charge, I can assure you, did not walk away from Chernobyl!
    It was all caused from an "experiment" to save money.
    Most died within 24 hours.
    1 was never found.

    There were like 8 (I think) deaths immediately as a direct result of the explosion.
    Most of the people in charge "on sight" were dead within 24-48 hours.

    There was actually a very small piece fuel rod lodged in a room that nobody knew about.
    It killed 3 people entering that room within 24 hours before detection.
    The things you can read on Chernobyl, you cannot post on this forum.
    Pretty gruesome the way these people died.

    Oh, and I would like to mention the men you see in the video are "reservist".
    Not even full military.
    Called in to die for their country!
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    And how many coal miners have died in the mines or from black lung disease in the last 100 years?

    Answer? Look Here

    This number is just in the mines BTW.
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    Carl,
    They called in 10k miners to Chernobyl to dig underneath the reactor because of fear the molten core would make it to the water table, and thus cause a thermonuclear explosion.
    They dug tunnels and installed a Nitrogen cooling system under the core to cool it.
    In 120 degree temperature in the tunnels, they refused to wear their "masks".

    Doubt there are many of the "miners" still left.

    600,000 people worked on the crisis at Chernobyl.

    It is estimated that over 1 million died as a result (including the surrounding population).

    Not counting the births afterwards (extremely higher than before the accident).

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    Not sure what you are suggesting Carl.
    The facts of Chernobyl will not be known for some time.
    I personally would place Chernobyl in the top 3 of the worst disasters in history.
    One reason being the full extent has not been realized yet.
    Not to mention it will be a unknown disaster scenario for the next 100,000 years.

    Not to take away from any other disasters.
    It is unique in history, and an unknown, still today (26 years later).
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    Pepster, I don't know where your quoted numbers are coming from. Here is some information from the World Health Organization and the International Atomic Engergy Commision. Look Here

    There is also the United Nations Report, look Here
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    Not near as bad as Chernobyl, but gets way more press. Titanic sunk 100yrs ago today.
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    What I am suggesting is that a lot of people are dying from other things than nuclear power. If we are really concerned about the safety of our citizens, we should ban smoking, drinking, automobiles, and maybe hospitals. With everything there are inherant risks. Which ones do we accept? Which ones are real or perceived?

    The dangers from generating electricity from nuclear engery is an extremely low risk. Please do some research and reference a report that identifies how many people have died in the last 50 years in the 104 nuclear power plants in the US? Then world wide?

    Isn't it strange that we heard so much about the deaths of a few people at Fukushima, but not about the hundreds of deaths resulting from the failure of a damn in Japan that produced hydroelectric power?
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    Abraham Lincoln was also shot on this date by an assasin. Should we ban guns?
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    Quote Originally Posted by schwarcw View Post
    Pepster, I don't know where your quoted numbers are coming from. Here is some information from the World Health Organization and the International Atomic Engergy Commision. Look Here

    There is also the United Nations Report, look Here
    Dang Carl, I have done alittle research and I was WAY off!
    I was going by memory I read a few weeks ago, or so I thought!
    My numbers were WAY higher than than I read tonight.
    Sorry about that, I would never want to post numbers that were not true!
    I thought I read over the last 26 years over 1m died as a result.

    On further investigation I see that is not true.
    Guess we all make mistakes, and I certainly did not intend to in this instance.
    I will damn sure pay more attention in the future.

    Sorry about that, I am ashamed quoting those numbers.
    I guess being a WW2 history buff and researching constantly about that, then reading up on Chernobyl, I think I had some conflicting numbers there!

    Never wanted to up the disaster total I can assure you!

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    Here is what I read:

    Wikipedia:
    4,000 fatalities[1][2] – Chernobyl disaster, Ukraine, April 26, 1986. 56 direct deaths (47 accident workers, and nine children with thyroid cancer), and it is estimated that there were 4,000 extra cancer deaths among the approximately 600,000 most highly exposed people.[3]

    Estimates of the total number of deaths potentially resulting from the Chernobyl disaster vary enormously: Thirty one deaths are directly attributed to the accident, all among the reactor staff and emergency workers.[4] A UNSCEAR report places the total confirmed deaths from radiation at 64 as of 2008. The World Health Organization (WHO) suggests it could reach 4,000 civilian deaths, a figure which does not include military clean-up worker casualties.[5] A 2006 report predicted 30,000 to 60,000 cancer deaths as a result of Chernobyl fallout.[6] A Greenpeace report puts this figure at 200,000 or more.[7] A Russian publication, Chernobyl, concludes that 985,000 premature cancer deaths occurred worldwide between 1986 and 2004 as a result of radioactive contamination from Chernobyl.[8]

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    Greetings Pepster!

    I was just trying to bring forward some better sources of information. Greenpeace is not a credible source, much of the Wiki info can be suspect. The Greenpeace reference was a tip off.

    The Chernobyl accident was terrible no matter how many people died. It's especialy scary when there is a lot of unknown information, uncertainty or trust in the people who are providing information.

    Please don't take my challenging of the source of information as personal. It was not intended to be that way. Hey, we're just chillin' in the Clubhouse!

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    Quote Originally Posted by schwarcw View Post
    Greetings Pepster!

    I was just trying to bring forward some better sources of information. Greenpeace is not a credible source, much of the Wiki info can be suspect. The Greenpeace reference was a tip off.

    The Chernobyl accident was terrible no matter how many people died. It's especialy scary when there is a lot of unknown information, uncertainty or trust in the people who are providing information.

    Please don't take my challenging of the source of information as personal. It was not intended to be that way. Hey, we're just chillin' in the Clubhouse!

    Regards,
    Not at all Carl, I appreciate the info, and hold you in the highest esteem my friend!

    I surely would not want to get it wrong.
    It was a tragedy no matter what.

    RIP to those who sacrificed!
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    Don't think a thing about it Carl!
    The figures are from 50 to a million!
    Nobody will ever know!

    We will all be paying for it for the next 50 generations though.
    I really don't think it will ever be forgotten.
    Throughout history.

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    I'm no expert in this area but I do know that there are thousands and thousands of articles about what happened, clean-up, etc. There is enough info out there to do a Ph.D. on this subject. Is it all reliable? No? But there is more than enough to determine what is and what isn't.

    And here I thought the thread title was about how life-extension science was going to give "me" a lifespan of 24,000 years?

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    Anybody interested in a tour? Look Here

    Just Google Chernobyl Tours. There are plenty out there to chose from. Maybe we could hold the next Polkfest there??
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