Calling LSi-15 owners...

**Zero** · 10-21-2003 10:35 PM

Having owned the LSi-9's, I have come to understand and expect a long break-in time with the towers. The issue I am currently having is that the sound is "in front" of me, not exactly around me. Positioning doesnt seem to help. I cant say its the Sony, because the SDA's do an absolutely superb job in filling sound everywhere imaginable in my space.

The question is, did any of you 15 owners experience the same thing? I would imagine so, I just need a confirmation.... for a piece of mind if you will....

Sean

**Frank Z** · 10-21-2003 10:55 PM

I ain't answering until you and the rest of the usual suspects post your reviews.....You cheese eaters know what I'm talking about!

**polkatese** · 10-21-2003 10:58 PM

Frank,
do I get a hall pass on this one? ;)

**Zero** · 10-21-2003 11:01 PM

Frank,

Thats no fair. I have been searching for that CD high and low..., misplacing it literally a DAY before the Sony arrived. I still cant find the disc.

**polkatese** · 10-21-2003 11:02 PM

your dog must have ate the disc....:D

**fireshoes** · 10-21-2003 11:30 PM

You will get there eventually I think. I swear I hear the string instruments behind me when I listen to Bother by Stone Sour. Some cool bass too.

**Zero** · 10-22-2003 12:56 PM

Frank,

I found your CD last night. Because it was a blank disc, I had a feeling my parents took it to "the office" and just left it in their stack of cd's. I was right... I should have time on Friday to give it a good listen.

Also, I found the solution to my problems. About a year ago, I read an article on the LSi's, I forget what model number. The reviewer stated that in order to take full advantage of the speaker, your ear must be located below the level of the tweeter.

How right that man was. I lowered myself in the chair quite a bit, and the sound was how I expected it to be. Now Im off to get some cinder blocks for these things to sit on. It will be ugly, but it will have to do for now.

**RuSsMaN** · 10-22-2003 12:58 PM

How about just changing the angle of incident via the spikes?

Cinder blocks? I can't tell who is the bigger crackpot, you or the guy that wrote that about the LSi tweeter....

**VR3** · 10-22-2003 02:54 PM

Boy oh boy, the advantages of having 2 tweeters per speakers......hahahaha, one below my ear, and one above - has a pretty cool effect.....;)

**Zero** · 10-22-2003 03:09 PM

Russ,

This is one happy crack-pot. Amazing what these little wooden flower crates are capable of. The LSi-15's are as they should be.... much better then what I was listening to last night.

Pass on a joint...

**VR3** · 10-22-2003 04:58 PM

Sean,
I tried that method of listening with my speakers. Nothing short of the same results that the guy claimed would be found. The soundstage was exstended in all areas, sides and back, voices were a tad more centered ---- You gotta remember, speaker placement is a huge factor, and so is ear placement.

Although, to get below the top tweeter I have to sit incredibly low considering my bed is very high compared to an average couch or recliner.

**Frank Z** · 10-23-2003 08:37 AM

Sean,
Placement, placement, placement! I don't think putting your speakers up on blocks is the answer, but if it sounds good to you then so be it. My first suggestion would be to get adequate clearance around the speakers, 18-24" from the side and rear walls if you can do it. A slight toe-in to start and increase gradually. Remember the Lsi's have a relatively small sweet spot so seating location is critical as well. Reflected sound can cause alot of headaches, so adding a couple of sound absorbing pannels to the walls in your room at the right location can work wonders for your system.

Keep in mind how and what your SDA's do as compared to the Lsi's. There is no way that the Lsi's are going to provide the same effect as the SDA's, unless you add some sort of external processor to the mix. I just bought a Carver Sonic Hologram Generator off ebay that I plan on adding to my Lsi's. I had one years ago and really liked it, I'll let you know how it works.

**Zero** · 10-23-2003 08:54 AM

Frank,

I am no stranger to the LSi set-up process. In a moment of "genius" I came up with the idea of elevating the speakers, and it worked. Being very limited on space, possibilities are very limited.

I've been looking at Panels, you know, the whole padded room effect *suiting for my mad hobby*. I may go for some decorate Asian throw-rugs instead, if I can find them.

Oh yes, it will be interesting to see what you come up with in regards to the Carver gear. Personally, I could not stand the Carver/Lsi combination one bit.... wonder what you will come up with.

Sean

**Frank Z** · 10-23-2003 09:04 AM

Sean,
How big/small is your listening room? How about posting a drawing?

**Zero** · 10-23-2003 11:06 AM

Frank,

The room is only 13x8, including the doorway. Its not a large room by any stretch of the imagination. I have a dresser, a large leather chair, a water bed, computer desk, man, its crowded in there..

Draw a picture? Ehhhh.... Im sure Matt, Paul, Micah, And all the gang from the forum can attest to my lack of artistic capabilities! A picture will have to suffice instead. Will get around to it sometime in the near future.

Meanwhile, tomorrow I have to do some serious listening to that CD you sent.

Sean

**TroyD** · 10-23-2003 12:58 PM

I've found with the LSi's that the soundstage doesn't extend much past the outer edges of the speaker (not that I think that's a terrible thing).

I've also found that that the tweeter has pretty decent dispersion so as long as your head is reasonable proximity (a little above or below) you are fine.

My LSi's like Carver very much. :D

If you are going to use Sonic Holography you MUST position the speakers according to the directions. If you don't you aren't going to get the effect so if you aren't getting it, it's your fault, not the Hologram generator.

BDT

**Zero** · 10-23-2003 01:57 PM

Troy,

Perhaps it was that damned C-23 *or whatever that model number was* that ruined the sound. It was noisy, and sloppy, no matter what speaker I hooked it up to. The amp on the other hand, was pretty good. The Harman Kardon stereo receiver seemed to do a better job then that combo.

**madmax** · 10-23-2003 02:18 PM

Originally posted by ATCVenom

The question is, did any of you 15 owners experience the same thing? I would imagine so, I just need a confirmation.... for a piece of mind if you will....

Sean

Yes! My 15's just started breaking in and there is a big difference. The sound gets much fuller. Not SDA like but similar. It was not a subtle thing either. Just all of a sudden they start sounding big.
madmax

**RuSsMaN** · 10-23-2003 02:56 PM

Hey genius, I have an idea.

Why not just unscrew the tweet, flip it upside down so it radiates 'up' and loose the cinder blocks.

You tard.

**Paul T** · 10-23-2003 05:08 PM

Damn I forgot how my old SDA's would set the soundstage throughout the room... sure miss them!! .. as for the tweeter being above your ears with the LSi's thats a great tip and when my LSi's arrive I will most definitely try it, might have to move them up a shelf from where I orginally thought I'd have them...

**Zero** · 10-23-2003 06:18 PM

Hey Fat-ass, Im not trying to use my LSi's like a damn Bose directional tweet! I like those ring nipples (err, tweets) where they are! Thank you very much!

Paul, Yep, the SDA's are absolutely killer on filling up a room with sound..

**RuSsMaN** · 10-23-2003 06:29 PM

I was talking about doing a 180 (clockwise or counter) you tard.

I swear, once a select few of you guys get going, I'd have better luck catching a boat prop bare-handed, than trying to help.

**Zero** · 10-23-2003 06:44 PM

So a lesson should be learned, dont attempt to catch running boat props in the water! I mean really, just because you attempt this does not mean its proper, or even right.

Clockwise, counterclock wise, whats wrong with ya. Think "box". Got it? "Box"!

**RuSsMaN** · 10-23-2003 06:52 PM

Thanks for proving my point.

**Zero** · 10-23-2003 08:41 PM

There was nothing to prove there fatass.... I believe everyone here knows how I operate, I would think so, after all these posts :)

**TroyD** · 10-23-2003 08:49 PM

How's that? Get some decent gear and either destroy it or summarily dismiss it then sell it and then buy something VERY similar? Gotcha. ;)

Still don't understand why it would sound better below the tweet and not above. Wouldn't it make sense that the sound waves probably disperse in a similar pattern both ways?

BDT

**Zero** · 10-23-2003 09:00 PM

Ah, the Ambigiously Gay Duo strikes again.

I wanted big sound, I got big sound through unorthodox method's. It may defy what has been hardwired to the minds of old bastards, but so long as the end result is a smile on this guys face... its all good.

Now shouldnt you two be teaching bike safety lessons? Watch your 6 Sid :)

**VR3** · 10-23-2003 09:07 PM

Don't bring me into this.....

I am the one breaking connectors and putting dvd players on top of my speakers

**TroyD** · 10-23-2003 09:16 PM

I'll be the first to admit if you like it, go with it. I'm just saying there might be a smidgen of science to contend with here.

You seem to suggest that the tweeter radiates sound better in one direction than the other. If this is so, what is so outlandish about Russ's suggestion to rotate the tweeter 180 degrees? Or is it that we are somehow wholly unqualified to pose what some might think are common sense questions?

BDT

**Frank Z** · 10-23-2003 09:31 PM

Sean,
I think that the bigest problem is the room. Have you taken the 15's out of your current listening room and trying them in a larger space? Perhaps somewhere you can spread them out a bit more and still maintain adequate side and rear wall clearance.

I gotta admit that my Lsi's sound incredible right out of the box. It took about 1 second to "Break them in."

I hpoe you take the time to try 'em in another room, I'm fairly certain they will sound alot better to you.

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