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    they are not very sensitive but they can also not tolerate very much power - they are also essentially big ol' capacitors... so, yeah, they're a little tricky to match with amplifiers ;-)



    The Quad II amplifier was about 15 watts; generally I think that folks 'in the know' will prefer to use 15 to 25 wpc amplifiers, with vacuum tube amplifiers being preferred (mostly due to the speakers' load characteristics). A McIntosh MC-225 is a very good choice. Quad's SS amplifiers of the 1970s worked well with them - and the Quad II was a fine amplifier :-)

    I usually use PP EL84 with mine, but they are quite acceptable with SE2A3. I didn't try any hard, hard rock 'n' roll or big-scale music with 'em, though (which probably goes without saying). If I ever manage to find room to set 'em up permanently, I mat use a PP 7591 amplifier with them... one of these days I am going to try 'em with my Sherwood (whichever model it is... S-5500II, maybe?!).

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    Thanks for the clarification. I wonder how they'd sound on my monos. Sounds like it would be a pretty damn good pairing.

    One of these days, I'm going to get in my closet and pull out all the vintage tubers I have to take some pics. One of them is a highly regarded Sansui monoblock.
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    My new to me Eico ST40 Vacuum Tube Amplifier. Just curious how it will play with my SDA2Bs. The ST40 has 3 options for speakers: 8,4,and 2 ohms. I am wondering if I should go with the 4 ohm strap.

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    I almost bought an ST70 about a month ago. Has anything been done to that one? Still looks stock and ready for an overhaul.
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    It has been modded for 6L6 tubes but that was a long time ago. Has a headphone jack installed. Besides that it is ready for a overhaul. New caps will be my 1st line of work. The tubes sound pretty good on some old Kenwood speakers I have.

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    No idea how the ST40 will do with SDAs (or even if it is compatible) - but it is a (potentially) good sounding amplifier with some pretty fundamental inherent design flaws. Rumor has it that at least some of them (e.g., the funky loudness circuit) were deliberate acts of mutiny by the EICO engineers(?!). I read this on the internet, so it must be true! ;-)

    On the bright side, that same internet is chock full of recipes to improve the ST-40 and its cousin the ST-70; the output iron is quite good in both amps and they're well worth the effort.

    I used my dump-find ST-40 (which Gary Kaufman kindly re-habbed for me) as the main hifi in the MA house for several months as we were completing the transition to the new house in NH.

    Mods and fixes for these amps may be found at:
    http://www.tronola.com/html/st-70_mods.html (note that this is for the ST-70, which does differ from the ST-40 in, e.g., bias scheme, despite being almost identical cosmetically and using the same output tubes)
    https://web.archive.org/web/20050212...ens/st-40.html (this is an archive of the ST-40 mods pages; the original may still be out there somewhere in cyberspace?)

    N.B. no need to resort to the "7591XYZ" output tube kludge any more; new production 7591 tubes are available and more than adequate for the purpose at hand. FWIW, I'd probably de-mod it back to its original output tube configuration, were it mine...


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    mhardy6647:

    Thank you for the information. Looks like November is the month for conspiracy even though I do believe the Kennedy theory! Very interesting about that loudness circuit. What is its purpose? I toggle the switch to on and it prevents me from turning the volume up. Maybe the amp has a little problem there.

    I will probably purchase a smaller speaker set for the amp if I buy it. The guy is wanting me to shoot him an offer for the amp. In the state its in, which ain't bad, I figured $125 would be fair. The case is dented and the front plate is yellowed which could be cleaned up I assume with the correct cleaning solution.

    Can I ask why you would de-mod it back? Would it be to take it back to the original config?

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    I have no idea how much diddling was required to reconfigure the operating points to accommodate 6L6s nor how appropriate the output transformer would be for PP 6L6. Maybe all fine, I just don't know. I notice it has what appears to be a 5U4 instead of a 5AR4; if nothing else, I assume that this lowers all of the voltages from the power transformer significantly (maybe 20%? ... a SWAG). It may be absolutely fat and happy running 6L6s... but then again it may be a hack job and putting undue stress on the tubes or the power transformer. A little book research would probably answer all questions but I just ain't savvy enough to know, a priori, if the swap was a good idea or a bad one.

    EDIT: Oh, and of course aliens were behind that whole thing in Dallas... they were PO'd about the Area 51 imbroglio, you know? ;-)

    EDIT^2: oh... and do you know what's up with that ceramic octal socket back by the output transformer? AFAIK, that's "nonstandard" (i.e., mine doesn't have one)


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    mhardy6647:

    All good information for me to think about and thank you posting all that you have. I am always open to opinions and suggestions especially those with experience. You are correct about the 5U4 tube. I do not know the advantages/disadvantages of modding the unit to 6L6s but saw where Eico documented the mod. Right now I think a cap replacement program is in order and then go from there. The unit sounds decent but as the gentleman mentioned in one of the links you posted I do want to retain the current physical size of my home. Cap replacement it is!

    As for that tube socket in the back I wondered about that too and am surprised to see that yours does not have it. It does not have any connections but did at some point in time. Weird.

    Sometime soon I am going to have to plug my Grados into the added headset jack to cop a listen. Interesting little amp and should occupy a piece of my time this winter.

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    The ST-40 and ST-70 are sort-of below the radar; I think due to their...umm... idiosyncratic cosmetics.
    If the 6L6 conversion was a documented modification, it should be fine. Sorry I besmirched it without grounds! :-)
    I don't have an innards shot of the ST-70 handy... but I do have an outards shot ;-)


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    A couple of years ago I fully restored a ST-70. New caps, new resistors, loudness mod, along with several other performance mods. The end result was a great sounding unit that I've used daily since. I just blew an original Westinghouse/Eico output tube and am looking for an original but may try some of the new 7591's mentioned above. Here's a link chronicling the rebuild. http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/show...highlight=Eico
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    Yes, I should've included that link, too! :-)
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    Plugged these into my VR3 LSi 9's and they sound really sweet...Using the pre out of the Marantz 2252B.... The M80 has power to spare and is one sweet sounding amp paired with the Marantz.
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    Better pic without my fat head blocking light..

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    Fat head, nice gear.
    humpty dumpty was pushed

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottyboy76 View Post
    Fat head, nice gear.
    Head like a spackle bucket :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey081057 View Post
    Better pic without my fat head blocking light..

    250 Watts (8 ohms) from 20 to 20,000 Hz at no more than 0.003% Total Harmonic Distortion
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    Attachment 92540 couldnt see a tuner without a amp. New addition today :) sounds very nice too

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    Sweet i love the yammy look... please add pics when they are lit up too!
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    awwwww shucks...all this vintage porn...seriously...went back to the used audio store I got my amp from to take a gander...and got a rather large paycheck coming on the weekend has be seriously considering a vintage Marantz 22XX receiver and getting on my hands on a pair of vintage Polk Monitor 5 bookshelf speakers with PRs...just for gits and shiggles...would LOVE an old system to soothe the soul to...
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    Quote Originally Posted by nbrowser View Post
    awwwww shucks...all this vintage porn...seriously...went back to the used audio store I got my amp from to take a gander...and got a rather large paycheck coming on the weekend has be seriously considering a vintage Marantz 22XX receiver and getting on my hands on a pair of vintage Polk Monitor 5 bookshelf speakers with PRs...just for gits and shiggles...would LOVE an old system to soothe the soul to...
    Lots of synergy there! Polk Monitors and 22XX Marantz series.

    Nice Yammie pair, Randy! That old look is so "clean" and "timeless". It almost reminds me of what D.T. Suzuki defines as the characteristics of Zen and Japanese Culture in the book of the same name! A fine addition to any literate library!

    Enjoy.

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    With all this vintage Marantz talk, my brother ( in Texas) is boxing up tonite a very nice 2385 that he snagged for me at an estate sale...Can't wait to see it... his Iphone pic shows it to be in nice shape and it is fully functional... He knew this was the one I wanted since we were kids, and scooped it up for me. He won't tell me how much until I see and hear it... I am needless to say STOKED and should see it soon... I will post pictures when I can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cnh View Post
    Lots of synergy there! Polk Monitors and 22XX Marantz series.

    Enjoy.

    cnh
    Just tossing the idea around...hmmmm I can get a 2252B with full LED light conversion...but I can also get my hands on a 2216...and everything between it seems...soooo tempting
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    Wow! A 2385! Not a lot of those around and they usually cost an arm and a leg.

    Please do post pics. I know what you mean about wanting a piece. For me, since I didn't know about the HIGH POWER units back then, "any" Marantz would have done. I settled on the 2265 below (decades later) which is pretty incredible pushing some Monitor 10As.

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    Enjoy it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cnh View Post
    Wow! A 2385! Not a lot of those around and they usually cost an arm and a leg.

    Please do post pics. I know what you mean about wanting a piece. For me, since I didn't know about the HIGH POWER units back then, "any" Marantz would have done. I settled on the 2265 below (decades later) which is pretty incredible pushing some Monitor 10As.

    I don't have to see you to know that you have a smile that wraps around your entire face!

    Enjoy it!

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    It's on it's way... I will post pics for sure...I go to 3 or 4 estate sales a year, and never come up with anything really good... He comes up with stuff all the time...Not necasarily hi-fi stuff but lots of collectible stuff

    There is a Marantz/Polk synergy for sure.
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    is that a CR-1040 or a CR-2040; I am not an expert on the "40" series to be able to tell a priori...
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    Nice piece of .........Vintage

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    Quote Originally Posted by nbrowser View Post
    Just tossing the idea around...hmmmm I can get a 2252B with full LED light conversion...but I can also get my hands on a 2216...and everything between it seems...soooo tempting
    I did a review on the 2216 I own - its a nice piece. I've read that the 15 and 16, the baby Marantzes, have more of a tubey sound than any of the others. I don't think you can go wrong either way.
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    Eh just an idea is all DSkip, see if the place I got the amp from can hook the Polk Monitors they have up to the Marantz 2252B they also have for an audition, see what the combo sounds like...then go from there.
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